2009/2010 NFL Thread - Combine Time - Draft 4/22 -

The Packers have brought back Ahman Green, who will now wear #34. I used to be a fan of the guy when he was in Green Bay before, but this run won't end well, I fear.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I don't get how going for a field goal is more insulting than going for it on 4th down when you're up by several TDs and have the win in the bag. Going for the FG gives the ball while going for it on 4th down is taunting the other team and shoving the fact that they can't stop you in their face as you prolong the drive even longer.[/QUOTE]

I don't see that as insulting. Throwing it down the field when you're up 45-0 is baaaaaad.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']now thats funny. if the raiders make the playoffs i will eat my car and put the video of it on youtube.[/QUOTE]

Put me down for a tire.
 
[quote name='javeryh']I love when teams pile it on. They are professionals and if they don't like it then make a stop. I think there are benefits to the Patriots beyond just the one win. [/QUOTE]


To me that is a contradiction. If they are so "professional" why would they need a 59-0 game to prove anything. That's high school mentality.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I don't get how going for a field goal is more insulting than going for it on 4th down when you're up by several TDs and have the win in the bag. Going for the FG gives the ball while going for it on 4th down is taunting the other team and shoving the fact that they can't stop you in their face as you prolong the drive even longer.[/QUOTE]

You're wrong. Kicking the FG from short range to add three points to a massive score serves no purpose whatsoever. It is the textbook definition of "running it up". You can't punt from down at the ten, taking a knee would be 10 times as insulting, so you go for it and give the defense a chance to stop you. Every single coach in the NFL would do the exact same thing, not just Belichick.

As for finding a Patriots fan before this decade, I've been a fan for 20 years, so there's one. As someone else pointed out, ragging on bandwagon fans is pure idiocy - every single team will develop a bandwagon if they have a run of success. That's the nature of sports fandom, it doesn't mean that there weren't fans there before.
 
Let me restate my case. It's not the true fan I don't like. It's those badwagon fans that take away the joy of the true fan. I am sure that you as a long suffering fan of the Patriots back in the day can attest... and to have every Tom Dick and Harry jump on the bandwagon when they "arrive." The Chiefs haven't come close to tasting the success of the Patriots, but I surely was hating it when they were 10-0 and everyone IN VEGAS was sporting a Chiefs t-shirt, but didn't know who Tony Richardson was.
 
While it could be said the Pats have run up the score in the past, the tenn. game was different. Brady has been hit and miss all season especially when trying to connect with Moss. The Tenn game just provided an opportunity to rebuild that connection.

Also Edleman aka Wes Welker Jr out with a broken arm sucks. He has played great for us especially for a rookie switching from QB to WR.
 
[quote name='CL-Insanity']Let me restate my case. It's not the true fan I don't like. It's those badwagon fans that take away the joy of the true fan. I am sure that you as a long suffering fan of the Patriots back in the day can attest... and to have every Tom Dick and Harry jump on the bandwagon when they "arrive." The Chiefs haven't come close to tasting the success of the Patriots, but I surely was hating it when they were 10-0 and everyone IN VEGAS was sporting a Chiefs t-shirt, but didn't know who Tony Richardson was.[/QUOTE]

I definitely understand this sentiment and I see where you're coming from, but the phenomenon doesn't really bother me, in fact I welcome it. As a long-suffering fan of both the Patriots and the Red Sox I definitely appreciate the ways in which their recent success has spawned a bandwagon following. Every team will have fans of varying levels of commitment, the hardcore and obsessed like me and also the "pink hat crowd". More interest in my teams means more revenue for my teams which means they can continue to remain competitive.

Having more fans doesn't detract from how dedicated I am to following the teams - If I obsess over injury lists and practice reports and someone else just slaps on a jersey and becomes a drunk and belligerent douchebag (I'm the first to admit most Boston fans are in this latter category), well there's room for both. The only surefire downside I see is that increased interest drives up ticket prices, which squeezes out the real fans. But I don't live in Boston anymore anyway, so I don't care.
 
LOL... You hit the nail on the head with your last paragraph. I live in Las Vegas and am a ticket season holder (read again season TICKET -- no s) for the Chiefs. In a backward way, I am hoping they do bad this year so that when I buy season TICKETS next year, they will be cheap. Also in relationship, the 4-star (I treat my trip like a big vacation) hotels' prices ebb and fade according to how the Chiefs/Royals are playing at the time.
 
[quote name='MrNEWZ']Yes, it's the other team's job to stop them, but the Titans were clearly out matched and uncomfortable. You add the type of conditions they were playing in and, as a coach, you're risking injury to your first team offense while being a jerk...

If you put in your second string and run the ball and still score at will--- no issue.[/QUOTE]
What 2nd string? You mean Brady, right? Because some of the other positions are rotations normally. They were rotating other guys in and out as early as the 2nd quarter. There isn't a backup on the bench for every single offensive player on the field.

Brady came out with 10 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. Come on. They're not going to pound the ball every single down in the snow when 3 of their running backs are already hurt. They did rush for 195 yards on 24 attempts, either way they were getting gashed. The Pats did what was best for the Pats and thats all they needed to be concerned about.

Why should Brady not throw to a wide receiver who has no defenders anywhere near him? They were wide open on those plays you're crying about.

Oh I'm sorry Randy and Wes, I know you guys were both wide open in the endzone but the Titans were uncomfortable so I threw into double coverage so they could feel better.

The only shame here is on the Titans for quitting in the 2nd quarter. They showed no emotion at all, no pride.
 
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I am by no means a Pats fan and I've commented a few times on how I disagree on some of their tactics/philosophies, but this is just the rest of the country piling on a team they love to hate. The Titans plain sucked. The Patriots couldn't do anything more short of playing 11 on 5. Gonna have to agree with dafoomie on this one. This wasn't Bellichick and the Patriots piling on. This was the Titans packing it in.
 
[quote name='bvharris']You're wrong. Kicking the FG from short range to add three points to a massive score serves no purpose whatsoever. It is the textbook definition of "running it up". You can't punt from down at the ten, taking a knee would be 10 times as insulting, so you go for it and give the defense a chance to stop you. Every single coach in the NFL would do the exact same thing, not just Belichick.[/QUOTE]
Really? Going up by six or seven touchdowns is a-okay, but the field goal is over the line? You're giving the ball back after they stopped you from getting a first down, but it's way worse than going for it because they can't stop you, which seems more like you're abusing their weakness to prove a point that was already proven three or four touchdowns earlier.

The difference is that Belichick constantly pushes that button for whatever reason he has to do it.

Maybe I'm out of touch since I don't find blowouts of that magnitude to make for an exciting game of football, as it's on the same level as a 6-3 win for the Browns on Buffalo in overtime.
 
[quote name='CL-Insanity']I don't hate the Patriots... but I couldn't find a Patriot fan before they started winning Super Bowls.[/QUOTE]

Ive been a pats fan since birth. Same with the Sox and Celtics.
Ive watched the bandwagon come and go so many times.
Its mostly just the college douchebags.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Really? Going up by six or seven touchdowns is a-okay, but the field goal is over the line? You're giving the ball back after they stopped you from getting a first down, but it's way worse than going for it because they can't stop you, which seems more like you're abusing their weakness to prove a point that was already proven three or four touchdowns earlier.

The difference is that Belichick constantly pushes that button for whatever reason he has to do it.

Maybe I'm out of touch since I don't find blowouts of that magnitude to make for an exciting game of football, as it's on the same level as a 6-3 win for the Browns on Buffalo in overtime.[/QUOTE]

Yep, you're still wrong, sorry. Say you're up 50 points in a game. If we're allowing that you're not going to come out and take a knee on every series there exists the possibility you'll still be able to drive down the field. Given how the defense was playing, it should in fact be expected. Now say you drive the ball down and get 4th and 5 from the 10 or something. You're saying it's a good idea to trot out the field goal kicker to add three meaningless points which are almost guaranteed rather than running another play and giving the defense the chance to stop you which is, after all, what they're paid millions of dollars to do. A field goal accomplishes absolutely nothing there, and consequently is the true definition of piling it on. Going for it, at least you're giving some backups a chance to get some experience in the red zone. I suppose you might think they should just take a knee and give the ball back, I'm not sure. The game had long since passed your arbitrary definition of "excitement" by that point, so I suppose it wouldn't have mattered what they did. The whining capabilities of NFL fans sometimes borders on the comical, I swear.
 
Goodell wants more NFL games in Europe.. I can't help but think this will be a mess the further this movement grows. Fewer true home games, anyone?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/23/london-hopes-for-four-games-per-year-by-2012/
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4588350

[quote name='bvharris']I suppose you might think they should just take a knee and give the ball back, I'm not sure. The game had long since passed your arbitrary definition of "excitement" by that point, so I suppose it wouldn't have mattered what they did. The whining capabilities of NFL fans sometimes borders on the comical, I swear.[/QUOTE]
I agree, especially with the last line. Had the Patriots tried to give the ball back every time that approach would have failed, prolonging the game. So in the end it was up to the Pats to get the game over with however they pleased. There's no obligation to run the ball every down and punt/kick a FG. You do what makes the most sense for your team.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Yep, you're still wrong, sorry. Say you're up 50 points in a game. If we're allowing that you're not going to come out and take a knee on every series there exists the possibility you'll still be able to drive down the field. Given how the defense was playing, it should in fact be expected. Now say you drive the ball down and get 4th and 5 from the 10 or something. You're saying it's a good idea to trot out the field goal kicker to add three meaningless points which are almost guaranteed rather than running another play and giving the defense the chance to stop you which is, after all, what they're paid millions of dollars to do. A field goal accomplishes absolutely nothing there, and consequently is the true definition of piling it on. Going for it, at least you're giving some backups a chance to get some experience in the red zone. I suppose you might think they should just take a knee and give the ball back, I'm not sure. The game had long since passed your arbitrary definition of "excitement" by that point, so I suppose it wouldn't have mattered what they did. The whining capabilities of NFL fans sometimes borders on the comical, I swear.[/QUOTE]
I don't see where I'm whining by any stretch, just questioning this weird claim that a field goal when stopped at the 31 (why not punt?) or the 11 is a huge insult to everything the game stands for when they were already embarrassing them long before that point of the game.

This whole "it's Tennessee's responsibility to stop the Patriots and end the game" excuse just makes it seem like the Patriots are quickly turning into a bunch of cocky douchebags because they destroyed an 0-5 team. If you're really getting cocky over that win, then I hope you enjoy it. You'll get the same chance this week to play the elitist role again.

I don't see why my lack of interest in watching a game that's a blowout is arbitrary, as there's nothing in question at that point that warrants further attention since you know what the outcome is. If you, or anybody here that said they love those kinds of games, wants to explain it, go ahead since I don't get it and wouldn't mind hearing a legitimate reason for it.
 
fuck Goodell and the NFL for trying to push the NFL into London. If they want the European market so much then they should do another NFL Europe instead of fucking with our teams. I'd be even more pissed if my 49ers lost a home game so some assholes could promote in Europe. Keep this shit out of the regular season at least. fucking slap in the face of the local fans. /rant.
 
I'm not a fan of adding a game to the season that doesn't benefit the game and is just to get the owners richer. If they really want to see if they can get a team in London then I can see them playing games there for decades until a decision is met. I'm just saying keep those games in the preseason.
 
I was looking up information on the demise of NFL Europe and that eventually lead to finding out that the UFL has already started. They have just four teams right now and some decent players that either failed (JP Losman) or never got off of the bench in the NFL. They are even showing games on the website.
 
i watched a UFL game. i dont know why, but it just wasnt entertaining. maybe i went in with a bad attitude. maybe it was the empty stands. maybe it was vs. just couldnt get into it.
 
Yeah, I watched a bit of the first game and it felt like a pre-season game, so I hope that they can grow a bit, get better crowds, and get some bigger names to join them.
 
[quote name='CL-Insanity']Let me restate my case. It's not the true fan I don't like. It's those badwagon fans that take away the joy of the true fan. I am sure that you as a long suffering fan of the Patriots back in the day can attest... and to have every Tom Dick and Harry jump on the bandwagon when they "arrive." The Chiefs haven't come close to tasting the success of the Patriots, but I surely was hating it when they were 10-0 and everyone IN VEGAS was sporting a Chiefs t-shirt, but didn't know who Tony Richardson was.[/QUOTE]

As a Boston fan I'm getting that in all three sports. I watch the games at a club on base and one of the Pats fans is from Phoenix. I'm always like dude why aren't you a Cardinals fan.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']What's up with Fox's sound on this Vikings/Steelers game?[/QUOTE]


What's up with the picture on the SD - KC game? Oh yeah that's right it's just a crappy game! Why the hell don't we have a second option on FOX?
 
How does a QB who has completed 17 of 54 for 205 yards in the past three games (Derek Anderson), including the one he's in right now, not been taken out for his backup that went 45 for 74 for 400 yards in the first 2.5 games against three good/great defenses (Brady Quinn)? He can make the shorter passes that Derek cannot complete to save his life, much less anything else.
 
HAHA! Way to take down those vikings. INT returned for a TD in the final minute. Gotta love it.

Edit: And to think they couldn't make the ending better, the final play is a Favre sack. :D

Also, I was looking at the Dolphins future schedule, and found it odd that they play both their games against the Jets before playing the Pats even once.
 
The Vikings had that game, just a freak mishap. Also, who knows how the game could have played out if the refs hadn't made that terrible tripping call to nullify the TD.
 
Damn it looks like the Bengals are just moving the ball at will against the Bears. Guess I should've started Benson on my fantasy team. I'm sure he's playing with a chip on his shoulder.
 
Eh. I heard a pregame interview w/ Benson on the radio this afternoon. If he has a chip on his shoulder, he's hiding it well. I think more is being made of his situation (being shitcanned by Chicago and picked up by the Bengals) by fans and announcers than either team.

LEON HALL!
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Eh. I heard a pregame interview w/ Benson on the radio this afternoon. If he has a chip on his shoulder, he's hiding it well. I think more is being made of his situation (being shitcanned by Chicago and picked up by the Bengals) by fans and announcers than either team.

LEON HALL![/QUOTE]


Holy crap the Bengals scored again! Way to not get off the plane for the game Bears.
 
[quote name='JStryke']HAHA! Way to take down those vikings. INT returned for a TD in the final minute. Gotta love it.

Edit: And to think they couldn't make the ending better, the final play is a Favre sack. :D

Also, I was looking at the Dolphins future schedule, and found it odd that they play both their games against the Jets before playing the Pats even once.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking... alright my bet is good... even if the Vikes don't score, Pittsburgh will sit on the ball. :censored:
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']How Bout Them Cowboys!![/QUOTE]

Is it just me or does Miles Austin have a fucked up set of chompers? When they showed the closeup of him smiling a minute ago it was kinda scary...
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']I could care less what he looks like when he has 400+ yards and 4 TD's in two games. Dude has become an absolute beast.[/QUOTE]

No doubt. He torched the Chiefs for 250 yards and hasn't looked back since. In my fantasy football league he has to be the waiver wire pickup of the decade!
 
[quote name='Chitown021']No doubt. He torched the Chiefs for 250 yards and hasn't looked back since. In my fantasy football league he has to be the waiver wire pickup of the decade![/QUOTE]

I forgot to start him in my league. Had Ochocinco thankfully and he had a big game. Though I did start Gore over Grant...only bad move today. Well, depending on what Manningham does tonight.
 
Alex Smith looked good. Houston doesn't have a top D though, but that was still an impressive 2nd half.

Leon Washington getting hurt lost my fantasy game this week for me.

And yes, Miles Austin has some big ol' teeth. He should donate his skull to science when he dies.
 
The Bears made me want to puke this week. I can accept losing like they did to the Falcons last week but this was a fucking disgrace!
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']Alex Smith looked good. Houston doesn't have a top D though, but that was still an impressive 2nd half.
[/QUOTE]

Indeed. On the 2nd and 3rd TDs I was like "Whooaaa! We did it again". It's too bad Smith's good performance is going to get him the starting spot only to get him roadkill by Freeney and Mathis next week. It just blows my mind that a 39 years old D-lineman can blow up Chilo Rachal for a sack.
 
Glad to see Smith step it up in the 2nd half but I don't know how much of it was him or how much of it was because Raye opened up the offense instead of letting Houston stack their whole team on the line because of runs and 2 yard routes. Also Crabtree had a great game.
 
I'm now ready to acknowledge that the Bengals are actually good.

As for my Pats, they're definitely taking off against some bad teams, but these last two have been pretty boring. I'm kind of missing the close games now, not that I wouldn't take an easy win over a close loss 100 times out of 100, obviously.
 
[quote name='JStryke']

Also, I was looking at the Dolphins future schedule, and found it odd that they play both their games against the Jets before playing the Pats even once.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure the Vikings play the Packers and Lions twice before they play the Bears once.
Speaking of the Vikings, they played incredibly well vs. the Steelers. Not happy with the outcome, but very happy with how we played.
Can't wait for the showdown in Lambeau!
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']Alex Smith looked good. Houston doesn't have a top D though, but that was still an impressive 2nd half.

Leon Washington getting hurt lost my fantasy game this week for me.

And yes, Miles Austin has some big ol' teeth. He should donate his skull to science when he dies.[/QUOTE]

That was probably the first time in his career that Alex Smith looked good. Probably just a fluke thing because we all know he is garbage.
 
[quote name='DomLando']That was probably the first time in his career that Alex Smith looked good. Probably just a fluke thing because we all know he is garbage.[/QUOTE]

He looked a lot better than Hill.

They put him in the spread (which he played in college) and he was loose and had nothing to lose.

Always have liked Smith but shit won't fly next week vs the Colts.

3-4 here we come.
 
fuck, I really bombed in my football pool this week. I was tied in 3rd in a group of 30+ people but with the Giants losing I only got 5 games right this week.
fuck.
Go Eagles?
 
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