2010-2011 NBA Season Thread

[quote name='madbst']The Knicks are closer in that some of the pieces are in place. I agree that Billups is a rental, but Felton was pretty much a rental as well (only a 2 year deal). The goal is to get Paul or Deron Williams. I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of them has their own "Melodrama" next year.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, they definitely need to nab one of them, but I'm sure there will be a ton of competition out there for them, since PGs have become the new fad in the NBA. Either way, it should be fun to watch!
 
I agree. The Knicks still need players I dont think anyone is saying that they dont. It just that some people were acting like it was the end of the world like they just broke apart the Bulls Dynasty or something.This also is a great way to convince some people to join you in the FA this off season. Nothing says come play with us like having a superstar already.

Their next step is to either target a PG or at least a defensive true C. Neither Amare or Melo play good defense but that just means you have to fill those rolls else where. The Artest experiencing isnt working in L.A. (personal I think he is closer to the end of his career) Trevor Ariza shouldnt be too hard to get, Tyson Chandler is a FA and ave 11 rebounds a game, Chris Kamen hell you even got guys like Kirk Hinrich who would probably take peanuts to get the hell away from the Wizards.

They have a lot of choices and should come out very well this off season. They should be able to prey on those lower east teams rosters.
 
The Knicks prove time and time again that they can't manage a team at all.

Melo top 5 :rofl: Seriously, dude can score and thats it. In Denver he had people like Nene, Affalo, and Anderson providing tons of defense, which allowed him to be lax on D. In New York, there will be a huge lack of that. Personally I would list him outside of Top 10. That's me.

Denver makes out like a bandit. They get tons for a guy that was going to leave them anyways at the end of the season. They get quality/proven shooters in Dano and Chandler. They get Felton, who this year, has turned into one of the top 5-6 point guards (avg 17.1 pts, 9 assists). Add in 3 drafts picks. What the hell was New York thinking... Denver IMO got stronger in that, no true superstar means no head cases (that isn't JR Smith).

Denver gives up Melo (who would leave either way), Billups (washed up), Balkman (bench warmer), Williams (bench warmer), Carter (bench warmer).

PG - Felton / Lawson
SG - Affalo / Smith
SF - Dano / Chandler
PF - Martin / Harrington
C - Nene / Anderson
They get a team of great role players who will have nice ball movement i.e. quality shots and nice defense.

New York is so so screwed. They go from 0.500 to below it easily. Melo and Amare have similiar play styles. Reminds me of the years they had all those guards like Starbury.

PG - Billups
SG - Douglas ???
SF - Fields ???
PF - Melo ???
C - Amare???

Who comes off the bench...Brewer... :lol: Any team with bigs are going to slaughter them. Do they even now have a backup center?
 
Do you understand long term lordpus? They WERE NOT going to win anything this or next year. There is no reason to horde a team that is mediocre. Again, NO ONE is saying that now they are winning a title they are saying they have set themselves up for acquiring better talent in the future.

You cant get to Big 3 without first going through 1 and 2.

Both teams made out equally. NY will only fail if they cant get people to sign on in the FA where they can bulk up their roster. You guys seem to be over rating the hell out of the NY players (can someone please post their record? I forget what this all star class of NY players did when together please remind me) and under rating Melo. This is by far one of the most even trades I have seen in a long time.

Also, you want to make fun of me for thinking Melo is a top 5 imo but without a doubt top 10 but you want to say that Felton is a top 5 PG? In a league that is proven to have barely enough PG talent to begin with. There is ONLY like 12 or so good PG in the entire league.

Its like trying to say that Roy Hibbert is a top 10 C. Which he (look at his stats he is statically the 11th best Center in the league) is but only because Cs are the shitty they have ever been in decades.


But again the question stands...give me some legit reason WHY this is not a good deal LONG TERM. Saying, will now there team sucks isnt a reason. It sucked before hand (remember that whole standings thing where they are just barely .500?) and now it sucks with 2 legit stars one of which is a top 10 talent. (IMO Top 5) Enough with the water cooler talk and get some legit facts.

By the way since I have already found a way to offend someone....please remember this is all in good fun. Its the internet, its sports, not a big deal we are all just talking.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']The Knicks prove time and time again that they can't manage a team at all.

Melo top 5 :rofl: Seriously, dude can score and thats it. In Denver he had people like Nene, Affalo, and Anderson providing tons of defense, which allowed him to be lax on D. In New York, there will be a huge lack of that. Personally I would list him outside of Top 10. That's me.

Denver makes out like a bandit. They get tons for a guy that was going to leave them anyways at the end of the season. They get quality/proven shooters in Dano and Chandler. They get Felton, who this year, has turned into one of the top 5-6 point guards (avg 17.1 pts, 9 assists). Add in 3 drafts picks. What the hell was New York thinking... Denver IMO got stronger in that, no true superstar means no head cases (that isn't JR Smith).

Denver gives up Melo (who would leave either way), Billups (washed up), Balkman (bench warmer), Williams (bench warmer), Carter (bench warmer).

PG - Felton / Lawson
SG - Affalo / Smith
SF - Dano / Chandler
PF - Martin / Harrington
C - Nene / Anderson
They get a team of great role players who will have nice ball movement i.e. quality shots and nice defense.

New York is so so screwed. They go from 0.500 to below it easily. Melo and Amare have similiar play styles. Reminds me of the years they had all those guards like Starbury.

PG - Billups
SG - Douglas ???
SF - Fields ???
PF - Melo ???
C - Amare???

Who comes off the bench...Brewer... :lol: Any team with bigs are going to slaughter them. Do they even now have a backup center?[/QUOTE]

LOL, you come off as ignorant. You know who the best quality proven shooter in the deal is? Billups. Felton started the season off hot, then cooled down to below 30% 3pt the last couple of months. Chandler was never supposed to be a 3 pt shooter until it became a weapon for the Knicks this year (and he still only shoots at 35%). Gallo is supposed to be the best shooter out of all of them but he's shooting 41% fg and 34% 3pt this year. I've watched more than enough Knicks games to see he's never going to be a star. The Knicks still have their 3 best 3pt shooters %-wise this year.

And the fact is, their overall stats this year (especially Felton) are padded because of the Knicks' (and D'Antoni's) style of play. They're 2nd best in scoring in the league. Felton was going to be gone after next year, Chandler was going to be gone after this year, and the only player in that trade that had a legitimate chance of the Knicks keeping long-term is Gallinari.

All in all, Billups > Felton, Carmelo > Chandler, Gallinari. Losing Mozgov might hurt a little, but he doesn't even rebound well, and he just started playing a little better so he's definitely still a project.
 
I doubt that will be the Knicks starting line-up. They will properly put Turiaf at center.

Billups
Fields
Melo
Amare
Turiaf

The question becomes, this year, who gets the forward minutes off the bench? Do they put Williams into the rotation, or do they dust the cobwebs off of Randolph?

The long-term reality is, if the Knicks cannot sign a big-time point guard and get a legitimate center, they are still just gonna be a .500 team. The difference is, the pieces they gave up might have developed into something more. Now, they are what they are. They are not going to get better without help.
 
This is all about the future obviously. As a Bulls fan, I would love to see the revival of the Bulls/Knicks rivalry from the 80's and 90's
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Do you understand long term lordpus? They WERE NOT going to win anything this or next year. There is no reason to horde a team that is mediocre. Again, NO ONE is saying that now they are winning a title they are saying they have set themselves up for acquiring better talent in the future.
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But you still have answered why--given it's a long term rebuilding--they couldn't just wait until the off season and sign Carmelo as a free agent. They they could keep the young players they wanted, jettison the dead weight and also keep the draft picks.

It's almost a sure thing they'd still have gotten him in the offseason as it's pretty clear that's where he wanted to go.

That's said, I loathe NYC and everything NY sports, so I'll happily laugh at them if this move backfires on them due to the loss of young talent and draft picks if they can't land a third stary like Chris Paul or Deron Willians in the next couple of years.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Do you understand long term lordpus? They WERE NOT going to win anything this or next year. There is no reason to horde a team that is mediocre. Again, NO ONE is saying that now they are winning a title they are saying they have set themselves up for acquiring better talent in the future.

You cant get to Big 3 without first going through 1 and 2.[/quote]
That's saying they get another big name talent. Remember they missed out pretty bad on the biggest free agency ever. Who says they have a chance at Paul, Williams, etc... Instead they gave away their future. Dano is young, Mozlov is young, threw away 3 picks. They also most likely will have $40 million stuck for the both Amare and Melo for years to come. With collective bargaining around the corner, who knows what they will be left with to fill out the remaining roster. It could be pennies.

If they didn't trade, they could have continue on their path, which gets them in the playoffs and gets their own destiny. They sign Melo under the new terms of the collective bargaining (he pretty much claim he was going there next season either way). They take those picks and hope they grab a budding star with one of them and they become good. Now instead they could drop out of the playoffs and ruin their future with 2 stars and a subpar supporting cast.

You guys seem to be over rating the hell out of the NY players (can someone please post their record? I forget what this all star class of NY players did when together please remind me) and under rating Melo. This is by far one of the most even trades I have seen in a long time.
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You are underrating them.
Chandler - 16pts, 6 boards, 1.5 blocks, 35.1% three point shooter
Dano - 16pts, 5 boards, 34.7% three point shooter
Felton - 17pts, 11 assists, 2 steals

As for Melo, Top 5 is ridiculous. Top 10 is a stretch.
James, Bryant, Wade, Durant, Rose, Paul, Howard, Gasol are all way better than Melo... beyond that he falls in the pack with the rest of the NBA stars. If you even go by fantasy numbers, Melo is #44 in Yahoo Sports. Personally, I have always felt Melo was overrated.

Also, you want to make fun of me for thinking Melo is a top 5 imo but without a doubt top 10 but you want to say that Felton is a top 5 PG? In a league that is proven to have barely enough PG talent to begin with. There is ONLY like 12 or so good PG in the entire league.
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You could make that claim at each position (you already did 2 positions). For Felton he is having the best year of his career. He is 5th in assists (overall), 16th in points (for all guards), 5th in steals (overall). That is amazing knowing that the NBA is a Guard dominated league.

[quote name='madbst']All in all, Billups > Felton[/quote]
And you are calling me ignorant... this statement is upsurd. Check the facts. I don't care about whose system it is. Billups numbers will def go down now sharing with the second leading scorer in the league in Amare and the biggest ballhog in Melo. Felton on the other hand his numbers went up.

Some of you Knick fans are really delusional. Have you not seen what Isiah and crew have done to your team over the years... this seems similiar to the crap you got into years ago with Starbury, Francis, and Curry.

Lastly, nothing will make me smile more to prove you guys wrong again like with the Lebron deal... I can't wait until collective bargaining comes back stated 49 to 50 and the Knicks are left with 9 to 10 to fill out the rest of the roster... haha.
 
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[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']I doubt that will be the Knicks starting line-up. They will properly put Turiaf at center.

Billups
Fields
Melo
Amare
Turiaf

The question becomes, this year, who gets the forward minutes off the bench? Do they put Williams into the rotation, or do they dust the cobwebs off of Randolph?

The long-term reality is, if the Knicks cannot sign a big-time point guard and get a legitimate center, they are still just gonna be a .500 team. The difference is, the pieces they gave up might have developed into something more. Now, they are what they are. They are not going to get better without help.[/QUOTE]

I would imagine they'll have both Williams off the bench as backup forwards/center. I like Shelden too, one of the best rebound rates per 36 if I'm not mistaken (he averages over 5 per 16 minutes right now) which would help the Knicks. Backup guards would be Douglas, Walker, and Brewer. Brewer intrigues me, I don't know what kind of game he plays. If he plays solid defense, then that's good. Randolph got traded to Minny so he's gone.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']This trade is going to be even worse if there is a hard cap.[/QUOTE]

I really hope there is a hard cap. It works well for the NHL. Cut 4-6 teams and give a hard cap.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']That's saying they get another big name talent. Remember they missed out pretty bad on the biggest free agency ever. Who says they have a chance at Paul, Williams, etc... Instead they gave away their future. Dano is young, Mozlov is young, threw away 3 picks. They also most likely will have $40 million stuck for the both Amare and Melo for years to come. With collective bargaining around the corner, who knows what they will be left with to fill out the remaining roster. It could be pennies.

If they didn't trade, they could have continue on their path, which gets them in the playoffs and gets their own destiny. They sign Melo under the new terms of the collective bargaining (he pretty much claim he was going there next season either way). They take those picks and hope they grab a budding star with one of them and they become good. Now instead they could drop out of the playoffs and ruin their future with 2 stars and a subpar supporting cast.


You are underrating them.
Chandler - 16pts, 6 boards, 1.5 blocks, 35.1% three point shooter
Dano - 16pts, 5 boards, 34.7% three point shooter
Felton - 17pts, 11 assists, 2 steals

As for Melo, Top 5 is ridiculous. Top 10 is a stretch.
James, Bryant, Wade, Durant, Rose, Paul, Howard, Gasol are all way better than Melo... beyond that he falls in the pack with the rest of the NBA stars. If you even go by fantasy numbers, Melo is #44 in Yahoo Sports. Personally, I have always felt Melo was overrated.



You could make that claim at each position (you already did 2 positions). For Felton he is having the best year of his career. He is 5th in assists (overall), 16th in points (for all guards), 5th in steals (overall).[/QUOTE]

The picks you're talking about is a 2014 1st rounder, and two 2nd rounders in 2012 and 2013. You really think the Knicks can get a star with that?

As for Felton, he averages 9 assists and that's because he plays under D'Antoni. His system emphasizes the point guard. Hell, Chris Duhon averaged 8 assists one season with the Knicks. Where is he now? Rotting in your bench. Felton plays almost 40 minutes a game, he has to put some stats up.

You can't judge the quality of the players the Knicks gave up based on stats and a few games watched. They can't take over a game offensively. They're there to complement superstars. It would be interesting to see who the number 1 scorer will be in Denver.
 
[quote name='madbst']The picks you're talking about is a 2014 1st rounder, and two 2nd rounders in 2012 and 2013. You really think the Knicks can get a star with that?[/quote]
Time will tell. Personally if I managed a team, I wouldn't give away that many picks.

Felton plays almost 40 minutes a game, he has to put some stats up.
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He played those same minutes and was the focal point in Charlotte and never put up those stats.

You can't judge the quality of the players the Knicks gave up based on stats and a few games watched.
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You are true. I haven't seen your games. I hate NY sports. I base it on fantasy stats and team records. We will see what happens as the rest of the season goes on and see which team got better and who didn't.

They can't take over a game offensively. They're there to complement superstars. It would be interesting to see who the number 1 scorer will be in Denver.
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I never said they were stars. I said they are great role players. When you strip your whole roster, it will be interesting to see what happens when these guys get in foul trouble/injured. Denver on the other hand has plenty of quality players to plug in and out. New York does not.

Good luck with the collective bargaining agreement. ;)
 
I think people are way too quick to label Gallo as a roleplayer. He's 22 years old. He's still developing. His points per game has only gone up about a point this year, but that's with him taking a back seat to Amare and Felton. He's also been working on his penetration game and shooting from the outside less. When he puts the whole game together, I think it's safe bet that he will be putting up over 20 a game. You might even see it the rest of the way, considering that he will likely be the focal point in Denver.
 
[quote name='Josh5890']I really hope there is a hard cap. It works well for the NHL. Cut 4-6 teams and give a hard cap.[/QUOTE]

Same, I think every sport should have a hard cap. And I say that as a fan of a team (Magic) that's well over the current soft cap.

Sports are more fun to follow if there's more competitive balance and it's harder for a handful of teams to load up on top talent.

Big reason I'm more of a fan of college sports. Lots more parity.
 
No thanks on hard caps. They ruin sports. Teams have to constantly turn over, especially when they win, because the value of players automatically get inflated. It's bad enough that free agency and massive contracts make players leave. Don't force teams' hands even more.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']
It's almost a sure thing they'd still have gotten him in the offseason as it's pretty clear that's where he wanted to go.
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I would agree with you 100% if there wasn't talk of getting this new CBA done. I haven't really examined what each side is trying to get but there are definitely two sides to the Melo issue. There is no doubt he wanted to be in NY, we knew that from the beginning. What would happen if in the new CBA max contracts were smaller than before? Would Melo still want to be in NY or would he rather have more money which probably only Denver could offer? The answer is probably Melo still going to NY but it was not guaranteed.

The deal IMO works out really well for both teams. Denver gets a really good rotation. Nothing that will get past the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs but will win close to 45-50 games and will be entertaining. Opposed to losing Melo and getting nothing in return, great deal for them.

NY gets their 2nd star player as well as a good pg. Brewer will be a good defensive stopper as well. However, as everyone is saying, they are basically waiting on CP3 or DWill to come there in free agency and honestly the way the past couple years have played out, I would guess one of those pg's will go to NY. If they can get some good shooters and defensive minded role players they become a team almost like the old Suns but with a few differences that I think will make them a little better than that team.

Edit: Do they win a title or get to the ECF? Who knows... If they can't get any other significant All-Stars, then I don't think so.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Same, I think every sport should have a hard cap. And I say that as a fan of a team (Magic) that's well over the current soft cap.

Sports are more fun to follow if there's more competitive balance and it's harder for a handful of teams to load up on top talent.

Big reason I'm more of a fan of college sports. Lots more parity.[/QUOTE]

The big difference for me is that players actually play HARDER since they want to make it to the next level. This is why I love college sports more than the pros in all sports.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']No thanks on hard caps. They ruin sports. Teams have to constantly turn over, especially when they win, because the value of players automatically get inflated. It's bad enough that free agency and massive contracts make players leave. Don't force teams' hands even more.[/QUOTE]

You just say that as an NY sports fan who's teams benefit from it as they're in the most profitable market.

It doesn't have to be that way with a cap.

1. Have rules like the Larry Bird exception so teams can resign their stars and pay them more than other teams can. Players moving around too much is a bad thing I agree.

2. With a hard cap (sans exceptions like above) you should be able to keep teams together easier as other teams won't be able to pay them a ton more. With a cap you can't put too much of your salary in one player if you want to field a competitive team as it doesn't leave enough money to fill out a competitive roster.

The NFL has it mostly right IMO, and it pays off with the parity we get in that league vs MLB or the NFL.


[quote name='lordopus99']The big difference for me is that players actually play HARDER since they want to make it to the next level. This is why I love college sports more than the pros in all sports.[/QUOTE]


That too. Plus the tradition, long rivalries, fight songs etc. I just like college sports a ton more.

I pretty much barely follow the MLB and NFL anymore, and only casually follow the NBA again the past couple years since the Magic have gotten good again.

As my free time shrank, following pro sports closely was the first thing to get the axe as I just wasn't enjoying them much anymore.
 
The "big market" argument has always been lame and always will be lame. Professional sports teams are owned by millionaires and billionaires. Doesn't matter if they play in New York or in the middle of nowhere. And teams that are in smaller markets generally get helped out by the bigger market teams. Go check out how much money teams like the Pirates and Marlins pocketed last year from the MLB shared revenue. At the end of the day, teams like that will always stink, whether the New York team is allowed to spend whatever it wants or is forced to curb spending.
 
Fair enough. We've had this debate in the MLB threads before, so no reason in hashing it out again.

I'll just continue to lose interest in pro sports and mainly watch to root for the NYC and other big spending teams to spend big and not win titles.

But I do think the NFL counters all your points as it has far more parity than the other pro sports and I think that's nearly entirely due to having the strictest salary cap. Its the only pro sport remotely worth watching currently IMO--which is a shame as I used to like basketball and baseball more than football.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Fair enough. We've had this debate in the MLB threads before, so no reason in hashing it out again.

I'll just continue to lose interest in pro sports and mainly watch to root for the NYC and other big spending teams to spend big and not win titles.

But I do think the NFL counters all your points as it has far more parity than the other pro sports and I think that's nearly entirely due to having the strictest salary cap. Its the only pro sport remotely worth watching currently IMO--which is a shame as I used to like basketball and baseball more than football.[/QUOTE]

For the NBA, I think it goes beyond salary caps. I think it goes into how the games are officiated. Flopping and favoritism towards famous guards is what ruined the NBA for me. They call Dwight Howard for hand checks yet Durant and James can flat out run over defensive players and never get called. How about Paul "the Flop" Pierce jumping into standing players for fouls... I can't stand that crap which is why the game is tainted.
 
[quote name='thamaster24']I would agree with you 100% if there wasn't talk of getting this new CBA done. I haven't really examined what each side is trying to get but there are definitely two sides to the Melo issue. There is no doubt he wanted to be in NY, we knew that from the beginning. What would happen if in the new CBA max contracts were smaller than before? Would Melo still want to be in NY or would he rather have more money which probably only Denver could offer? The answer is probably Melo still going to NY but it was not guaranteed.

The deal IMO works out really well for both teams. Denver gets a really good rotation. Nothing that will get past the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs but will win close to 45-50 games and will be entertaining. Opposed to losing Melo and getting nothing in return, great deal for them.

NY gets their 2nd star player as well as a good pg. Brewer will be a good defensive stopper as well. However, as everyone is saying, they are basically waiting on CP3 or DWill to come there in free agency and honestly the way the past couple years have played out, I would guess one of those pg's will go to NY. If they can get some good shooters and defensive minded role players they become a team almost like the old Suns but with a few differences that I think will make them a little better than that team.

Edit: Do they win a title or get to the ECF? Who knows... If they can't get any other significant All-Stars, then I don't think so.[/QUOTE]

THIS! This is exactly what I brought up earlier. You guys say that there is no sure way to get another star in FA but there was no sure way to get Melo in FA either. Yes he was reported in wanting to go to NY but nothing is set in stone and any number of things could happen until then.My first response was about the CBA, no one has any idea what it will do, Melo might loose millions if he doesnt sign something now, under the new rules the Knicks might not be able to sign him. The deal had to go down now before the CBA had a chance to throw a wrench in there.

As for Gallo not being a role player? What else could we label a guy who only scores 15 points a game and 5 rebounds? We all like Gallo it seems but just because you like him doesnt mean he is anything more than what he is showing. His upside is tremendous but your putting potenial against a known superstar in melo..it would be insane not to take it.

Lordpuss, like I said before the only way that NY fails is if they somehow strike out in FA this year but there is only so many things you can control. The best thing they can do is show others they are proactive in turning the team around and what better way to do that than to acquire a superstar? Whats better? Come try and mold this rag tag group of people or shooting for a title with Melo and Amare? Also, lordpuss what was your position on the Bron thing? I dont recall it.

I think the bottom line is this, there are guys in the league that you can not replace, Kobe, Bron, Howard, Paul, DWill and Melo. You can find another Dano, Wilson and Felton you cant find another Melo. Its a bunch of role players and I will STRETCH for you guys and say that Felton is some type of star (ugh) but still you can get more. Especially when CP3 and DWill have reported wanted to go to your team anyway. Both Dano and Wilson are 15ppg 5 Rebound guys...thats about 30 guys in the league, Felton who is what? 17ppg 10asst? Thats good but its not like you are replacing him with chop liver you are getting Billups. Yes he is on the end of his career but he is still a vet and can teach plus he still knows how to run a offense.

Like I stated there are not a lot of PG in the league at least you got one that isnt a complete joke. The most even and fair trade I have ever seen. A super star for a couple good role players.
 
As a separate post I agree with Lordopuss (ugh just notice there was a o in the middle of Lord and Puss I misspelled it like 50 times) that the huge ref scandal which proved what we all knew this entire time. The refs are killing the league, the flopping, the constant calls, the Ts, the non calls of real rules (can we please start calling traveling again?) the lack of real defense. Those are the things that have killed my enjoyment of the NBA.

I barely understand how you guys can knock people like Melo and Amare for not playing defense...if they did they would foul out in the first 10 min. The lack of real defense is what makes the NBA a joke and its Sterns fault because he wanted this family friendly NBA with 90 points a game with 44 dunks they can make highlights from. This is way D-Howard can barely finish a 4th qrt he gets a foul for leaving the ground on a block.
 
Denver got a lot more than i thought they would for Melo. Looking at the possible Denver line up that lordopus99 posted last page, i say that's pretty good for a Superstar leaving your team....if they decide to not flip Gallo or Felton.

As for N.Y - i think they accomplished the hard part, and that's getting a Pair of superstars on one team, it really just makes alluring that third all-star that easier. And in a City like N.Y?. Plenty will be wanting to jump on board. I wouldn't be so quick on replacing Chauncy at the end of the season as well. No doubt N.Y will need some defense - and what no better suitor than the 2 time defensive player of the year :)hot:...nooooo come to L.A Dwight :lol:). Chauncey would be a great floor leader, he has the most playoff experience between any of them. Veteran leader ship wouldn't hurt in the playoffs.

Anyways, im sure we all can agree - The east playoffs are gona be fucken dope. Cannot wait!.
 
This is all speculative of course but, if things keep heading this way (CP3 and DWill head to Eastern Conference teams) In 2-3 years when the Mavs, Spurs, and Lakers are really old (Lakers maybe not as much)... what happens out West. None of this should be taken 100% seriously as trades and free agent moves can happen but if rookies don't have the impact on Western Conference teams... could we see Thunder, Clippers, Grizzlies up top out West? As a Grizzlies fan am I salivating at this but I know that something else will happen before this does right? If Denver keeps that rotation they are definitely a playoff team as well as the Trail Blazers but man the conferences will shift power tremendously. I know some of that has already happened.
 
Billups was an All Star as recently as 2010, I think he can be at least productive in the short run. Corey Brewer is a good defender and probably can get 15 PPG under D'Antoni
 
[quote name='thamaster24']This is all speculative of course but, if things keep heading this way (CP3 and DWill head to Eastern Conference teams) In 2-3 years when the Mavs, Spurs, and Lakers are really old (Lakers maybe not as much)... what happens out West. None of this should be taken 100% seriously as trades and free agent moves can happen but if rookies don't have the impact on Western Conference teams... could we see Thunder, Clippers, Grizzlies up top out West? As a Grizzlies fan am I salivating at this but I know that something else will happen before this does right? If Denver keeps that rotation they are definitely a playoff team as well as the Trail Blazers but man the conferences will shift power tremendously. I know some of that has already happened.[/QUOTE]


If RoddyB doesn't pan out at point Cubes is going to go super fucking hard after CP3. He has been wanting CP3 for ages now.
 
The Knicks biggest problem is going to be on the defensive end of the court. If you look at the East right now the top 3 teams (Celts, Heat, Bulls) are all in the top 5 in scoring defense in the NBA. The Knicks didn't play any D before the trade, after the trade they still won't be good defensively. But this trade isn't about this year it's about the years to come. They are going to have to surround Melo and Amar'e with really solid defenders, that's a greater need than getting an elite PG IMO. Also let's not forget the whole CBA thing, it didn't just affect how much money Melo may have gotten this offseason but it will affect how much a team can afford to pay its star players. If the cap is what some are speculating (around 52 million) even the Heat stars will have to take a little less money and restructure their deals. That would make it harder for the Knicks to be able to go out and get a CP3 or a DWill.

One more thing, people make it sound like it will be borderline "easy" for the Knicks to win a title in the next few years. Really? I'm not a genius but I don't think the Heat with their 3 stars in their primes or the young Bulls led by a 22 year old superstar are going anywhere anytime soon. The East is going to be a top heavy power conference for years to come it would appear. There will be no easy roads to a title, not even for the Heat.
 
[quote name='Viol8tor']Denver got a lot more than i thought they would for Melo. Looking at the possible Denver line up that lordopus99 posted last page, i say that's pretty good for a Superstar leaving your team....if they decide to not flip Gallo or Felton.

As for N.Y - i think they accomplished the hard part, and that's getting a Pair of superstars on one team, it really just makes alluring that third all-star that easier. And in a City like N.Y?. Plenty will be wanting to jump on board. I wouldn't be so quick on replacing Chauncy at the end of the season as well. No doubt N.Y will need some defense - and what no better suitor than the 2 time defensive player of the year :)hot:...nooooo come to L.A Dwight :lol:). Chauncey would be a great floor leader, he has the most playoff experience between any of them. Veteran leader ship wouldn't hurt in the playoffs.

Anyways, im sure we all can agree - The east playoffs are gona be fucken dope. Cannot wait!.[/QUOTE]

I think Chauncey will come back to Denver, he really likes Denver and has roots here. To be clear, I don't think that trading for Melo was a bad idea, just how much they gave up is what hurts a little bit. If they were going to do the deal, they should've just done it earlier in the season, and they probably wouldn't given up as much. The East is definitely becoming stronger then the West though.
 
[quote name='cgarb84']One more thing, people make it sound like it will be borderline "easy" for the Knicks to win a title in the next few years. Really? I'm not a genius but I don't think the Heat with their 3 stars in their primes or the young Bulls led by a 22 year old superstar are going anywhere anytime soon. The East is going to be a top heavy power conference for years to come it would appear. There will be no easy roads to a title, not even for the Heat.[/QUOTE]
The Knicks went from being the 6th best team in the East to the 5th. They're still not in the same class as Boston, Miami, Chicago, and Orlando and there's still a significant gap. They're better than Atlanta now, I really like what Billups does for them as well but they're still not up there.

As I understand it, Melo forced their hand by demanding the 65 million dollar extension that wouldn't be possible if he changed teams in the offseason.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']The Knicks went from being the 6th best team in the East to the 5th. They're still not in the same class as Boston, Miami, Chicago, and Orlando and there's still a significant gap. They're better than Atlanta now, I really like what Billups does for them as well but they're still not up there.[/quote]
I don't know I still like the Hawks way better than these Knicks, even if they happen to score another star. The Hawks have defense, they are fairly young, and still have time together. Until the Knicks actually score some more players, this team as of today I don't feel is a top 8 team in the East. They need some work.

[quote name='Violator']No doubt N.Y will need some defense - and what no better suitor than the 2 time defensive player of the year (...nooooo come to L.A Dwight ).[/quote]

There will be no talk of Dwight ever leaving Orlando :cool:

[quote name='soodmeg']Also, lordpuss what was your position on the Bron thing? I dont recall it.[/quote]

I stated prior to all the post season talk hoopla that Lebron would either stay in Cleveland or go to Miami. I told the Knick fans there that there was zero chance he would show up in NY.

Especially when CP3 and DWill have reported wanted to go to your team anyway
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Not sure about Deron but CP3 has claimed he would go plenty of places. In fact, earlier he stated he would like to come to Orlando. We even tried to work a trade for him. I would take it as a grain of salt. Melo was easily more cut and dry since he had roots in the state.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']If RoddyB doesn't pan out at point Cubes is going to go super fucking hard after CP3. He has been wanting CP3 for ages now.[/QUOTE]

Yeah Cuban will do what he has to do and I'm sure the Mavs and Lakers (they have Ebanks and Caracter waiting in the wings) will be fine. Honestly older guys could still be running it out West for a while. It's just interesting to think if all of those transactions happen, the West could have multiple teams making the playoffs that in recent years have been terrible.

And of course when I say something good about my Grizz they go out and put up a stinker at the Pepsi Center against the somewhat depleted Nuggets. It was the altitude...

EDIT: Didn't see that this was mentioned so here you go:
Sources: Celtics, Rockets discuss Battier deal

http://espn.go.com/blog/TrueHoop/post/_/id/25076/sources-celtics-rockets-discuss-battier-deal
 
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Good move for the Jazz. Williams is a great player.

But they get Harris who's a solid PG, Favors who could be a Boozer like stud at the 4 in a year or two, and apparently 2 first round picks as well.
 
Wonder what they're going to do about Millsap, Okur, Jefferson, and Favors all on the same team now. This has been a crazy trade deadline and it's not over yet!

Edit: Forgot about Fesenko as well
 
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[quote name='ananag112']Zach Randolph going to Orlando?

http://dimemag.com/2011/02/nba-trade-rumor-zach-randolph-to-orlando/[/QUOTE]

That shit better not go through. We do not need to fuck with the roster at this point.

[quote name='docvinh']Deron Williams being traded to the Nets?!?!?!?![/quote]

The Nets just stole one of NY's targets...

Don't know how this really helps either team. The Nets get a star where the Jazz get a not-as-good as Deron PG and a potential guy who will most likely be 4th of the depth chart behind Jefferson, Millsap, and Okur. I think both teams will still be in the same position as they currently are in. At least, Sloan might be able to get better team unity with Harris/Favors.
 
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I think that is actually a good trade. Miami is weak inside and Dwight still isn't as good offensively as he needs to be to hit that next level. Zack has shown to be great in Memphis and playing on a team that is in the hunt for a title would probably motivate him even further.

Orlando is way too reliant on the three point shot and getting someone who can pound it inside and help out with second chance opportunities is something that a team that puts up as many 3's as they do needs.
 
Bass has done a good job of pounding inside IMO. Orlando doesn't need another power forward.

They need a true center to back up Howard since losing Gortat in the trade earlier.

I also don't want to lose Richardson as we need someone who can both shoot and drive at the 2, and he's the only one on the roster who can do that. Redick, Q. Richardson etc. are straight up shooters.
 
Wow....that Deron Williams trade was unexpected. Good move for the Nets, Williams is a far better player than Carmelo is
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']I think that is actually a good trade. Miami is weak inside and Dwight still isn't as good offensively as he needs to be to hit that next level. Zack has shown to be great in Memphis and playing on a team that is in the hunt for a title would probably motivate him even further.

Orlando is way too reliant on the three point shot and getting someone who can pound it inside and help out with second chance opportunities is something that a team that puts up as many 3's as they do needs.[/QUOTE]

You must be a Memphis fan... ;)

Brandon Bass already proves that when he CAN. In the past month or two, he averages about 8-9 boards. This is great considering he is on a team with the Defensive Player of the Year who averages 14 boards. In addition, they want Richardson who to me would be a huge loss. If he is gone, we start JJ... Don't get me wrong I love JJ but there is no way he should be a NBA starter. Zack Randolph doesn't help us anywhat close to what the others do.

As for Miami... Miami gets killed in the paint. Dwight had 17pts, 16 boards on 7-13 shooting against them back on Feb 3. It took Lebron to score 51 points to pull out that win. Having another big man doesn't help the slowing of Lebron or Wade. Bass provides good defense enough to guard most men at his position.
 
[quote name='Cheddahz'] Williams is a far better player than Carmelo is[/QUOTE]

Maybe in fantasy land he is..... better player than Carmelo my ass.
 
[quote name='cgarb84']Maybe in fantasy land he is..... better player than Carmelo my ass.[/QUOTE]

They play completely different positions. I guarantee though if someone was starting a real team they would take Williams easily over Carmelo. As stated earlier, there are very few good PGs in the NBA but there is an over abundance of good SFs in the NBA. Carmelo plays zero defense which takes his stock way down in my opinion.
 
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