2010-2011 NBA Season Thread

Lebron James might be the least clutch player in quite some time. (says the bitter cleveland fan) :lol:

But in all seriousness, he's either deferred the game winners or missed them this season. ie missing a game winner and a game tying 3 this game... the free throws vs boston (missed one that would have tied the game, big baby hit 2), and he didn't do much down the stretch vs Chicago recently.

Glad to see the knicks get that win last night. Hope they make some noise in the playoffs this year. Don't think the Heat are going to be able to.
 
[quote name='thamaster24']So Collison's as good of a defender as Perkins?[/quote]

Never stated he was. Collison is weak and is what 2nd or 3rd string. He was just starting by default. The whole point of the comment was to dispel the rumor that either Howard has big numbers or the shooters have big numbers depending on if Howard is guarded 1-on-1 vs double team. The game in question had both areas hot scoringwise when Howard was mostly covered 1-on-1.

Anyway Youtube videos won't really do either justice, so here's one for Perkins:
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Rondo came over in the first play (double). Pierce came over in the second play (double). Third play he had a clean look and couldn't finish a shot he makes(1-on-1). My youtube clip showed 1-on-1 true matchup between Perkins and Howard. You will notice how easily he spun on him and then posterized him. My clip was just one example of how Perkins isn't a top post defender. Again, he is just a big body. My theory will shortly be proven out in OKC.

[quote name='CaseyRyback']Kevin Love needs to play on a winning team before he gets too many props.[/quote]
He is pulling NBA Great Moses Malone rebound numbers. Ridiculous even if on a bad team. There are plenty of centers on bad teams coming nowhere close to his numbers. Just last game he had 37 pts and 22 boards. How about earlier in the year grabbing 31 boards in one game :hot:

Don't mind the expression but the dude needs more love.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Dennis Rodman wasn't 7 foot tall either, and he played on winners. Kevin Love needs to play on a winning team before he gets too many props. Same with Blake Griffin.

CP3 should have won an MVP award the year they beat Dallas in the first round. Kobe got it because LA is a bigger market and his team got Pau and started winning again. Same thing with the hand prints. He is an LA guy and has five rings.[/QUOTE]

Again, this line of thinking is why the NBA is so damn shitty. You would think that in a league where only 8 teams ever win the title we would be longing for some story lines from different places.

The NBA is the only league in which players can break historical records and no one gives a shit and its mind boggling to me. We would rather hear about Kobe going 8/20 and if the Lakers are falling off track 50 times a week than to show some love to a guy who is doing something that hasnt been seen for 35 years.It is proven in my eyes that there are far more "INSERT MY TEAM" fans than actual Basketball fans. People watch 10-15 games of their local teams a season and call themselves a NBA fan. Kevin Love is grabbing more rebounds than your favorite player can score points. Love should be top 3 in the MVP race because there is really only 1 player above him in a multitude of stats. He has dominated the Lakers and C's.

I just do not get it and it goes far beyond that bullshit of "he doesnt play for a winner so none of his stats count." (This of course isnt a direct shot at you Casey because I find that most pros do the same thing) Again its like if you dont play for the Special 8 you might as well not play at all. There are very few "winning teams," in the NBA if you are not even going to look at the other players and recognize their talents you might as well disband them. And you wonder why people want to switch teams constantly.

Do people do realize how ass backwards it is for a league that only produces 8 different winners in the last 30 years to put championships as a keystone for recognizing talent? My final point is that you cant have it both ways. You cant tell me that playing for a winner is the only way to have your talents count for anything but then get mad when players leave teams for any reason what so ever. If that is the case it is absolutely ok for Bron to leave the Cavs, Melo to leave Denver, Williams to get out of Utah and Bosh to ditch the Raptors.
 
Winning a title = winning. Reggie, Chuck, and the Mailman always get props for their careers and none of them won a title. They all had great stats and did solid jobs of carrying their teams.

Kevin Love as MVP is a fucking joke. Also that blog entry is a joke.

Derrick Rose is going to win the MVP because he is a sexy pick. Lebron is going to come in second because he is the best player. Dirk is going to be third because Dallas is 41-9 with him on the court and he has the highest +/- in the league.
 
Kevin Love mvp lol 2nd worst team in the league

maybe he has those huge stats cause no1 gives a fuck about the wolves and don't try 100%

garbage time stats

here's one for ya
Kevin Love 46 double doubles
Wolves 46 losses
 
[quote name='Tony208']Kevin Love mvp lol 2nd worst team in the league

maybe he has those huge stats cause no1 gives a fuck about the wolves and don't try 100%

garbage time stats

here's one for ya
Kevin Love 46 double doubles
Wolves 46 losses[/QUOTE]

Obviously Kevin Love will get no MVP consideration as long as the Wolves are this bad. That is understandable. However it is ridiculous to brush his stats aside and call them garbage time stats. If you could get these "garbage stats" by simply being on a terrible team Love wouldn't be the first player to put up these stats since Moses Malone.
 
And the Grizzlies pretty much blowout the Spurs (that are Tony Parker-less). Even though the top east teams jockeying for the best record is pretty good stuff, 5-8 seed race in the western conference will be incredibly entertaining. And really the 4-8 seeds are up for grabs even though I think the Thunder will stay in 4th.
 
[quote name='bg88']Obviously Kevin Love will get no MVP consideration as long as the Wolves are this bad. That is understandable. However it is ridiculous to brush his stats aside and call them garbage time stats. If you could get these "garbage stats" by simply being on a terrible team Love wouldn't be the first player to put up these stats since Moses Malone.[/QUOTE]

I didnt even bother responding to that guy...clearly he is one of those super casual only watch a handful a games of his favorite team a year type of guys. Then tries to jump into conversations based on sportcenter highlights. :roll:


Wizards buyout Bibby contract and he chooses the Heat as his next home. Bibby is very much at the end of his career but he is still a big upgrade to Chalmers and Carlos (who was cut). I dont think its a huge game changer but it does make them a little better. His defense is horrid but he does have a vet IQ and I think he can still run a offense and make good decisions.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I didnt even bother responding to that guy...clearly he is one of those super casual only watch a handful a games of his favorite team a year type of guys. Then tries to jump into conversations based on sportcenter highlights. :roll:


Wizards buyout Bibby contract and he chooses the Heat as his next home. Bibby is very much at the end of his career but he is still a big upgrade to Chalmers and Carlos (who was cut). I dont think its a huge game changer but it does make them a little better. His defense is horrid but he does have a vet IQ and I think he can still run a offense and make good decisions.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I think Bibby to the Heat is good, too bad they couldn't pick up Murphy too. Celtics look like one of the deeper teams once the playoffs start.
 
[quote name='bg88']Obviously Kevin Love will get no MVP consideration as long as the Wolves are this bad. That is understandable. However it is ridiculous to brush his stats aside and call them garbage time stats. If you could get these "garbage stats" by simply being on a terrible team Love wouldn't be the first player to put up these stats since Moses Malone.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much what I was going to say. He deserves no MVP consideration. No one on that awful of a team should. But no stats of an NBA are a joke. These are professionals. They go out and go hard, no matter who they are playing. Love is putting up these numbers, because he's a damn good basketball player. End of story.
 
Looks like the Mavs are going to get Corey Brewer. It helps give them someone who does all the stuff that Peja doesn't do. Still hoping that Caron comes back and is right by the playoffs.
 
I love all the hate JD is getting from Boston fans because of that last foul, Rondo should know better.

"Smh @JaredDudley619 is dirty ass player. Just lost respect for him. fucking $$$$$$"

:lol:

Wish the Suns showed up before the 4th quarter, the bench simply outplayed the starters.
 
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[quote name='yukine']I love all the hate JD is getting from Boston fans because of that last foul, Rondo should know better.

"Smh @JaredDudley619 is dirty ass player. Just lost respect for him. fucking $$$$$$"

:lol:

Wish the Suns showed up before the 4th quarter, the bench simply outplayed the starters.[/QUOTE]

It's just like Boston fans to bitch about fouls as if they are dirty. I heard it all during our series last year (Orlando). Nothing is more dirty that the KG's killer elbow. Boston fans need to remember that.

I wish Dudley really let him have it. Who shoots up a 3 when you are up by that much at the end of the game... what a prick.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']It's just like Boston fans to bitch about fouls as if they are dirty. I heard it all during our series last year (Orlando). Nothing is more dirty that the KG's killer elbow. Boston fans need to remember that.

I wish Dudley really let him have it. Who shoots up a 3 when you are up by that much at the end of the game... what a prick.[/QUOTE]

Probably the first time I'm agreeing with you. Garnett is the dirtiest player in the NBA, and the Celtics are at least in the top 5 of dirtiest teams in the NBA.

And good for Brewer for finding a team that will give him playing time. D'Antoni is notorious for his tight rotations, and Brewer was probably not going to make the rotation. Sucks, I wish the Knicks held on to him and at least find out if he can play in the system.
 
[quote name='yukine']I love all the hate JD is getting from Boston fans because of that last foul, Rondo should know better.

"Smh @JaredDudley619 is dirty ass player. Just lost respect for him. fucking $$$$$$"

:lol:

Wish the Suns showed up before the 4th quarter, the bench simply outplayed the starters.[/QUOTE]

If the Suns hadn't been talking smack, Rondo wouldn't have done anything, just like when Pierce let the shotclock go without taking a shot. They started running their mouths so Rondo put up the shot, JD fouled and Rondo got two garbage points out of it.

Edit: Just wanted to clarify. KG only got that tech at the end because he was jawing with Alvin Gentry. I'm pretty sure Rondo only put up that three, right in front of him, as a response to that without actually doing anything that could warrant a technical foul.
 
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[quote name='advanced']If the Suns hadn't been talking smack, Rondo wouldn't have done anything, just like when Pierce let the shotclock go without taking a shot. They started running their mouths so Rondo put up the shot, JD fouled and Rondo got two garbage points out of it.[/QUOTE]
It was stupid on both ends, Pietrus should have just ran the clock out as well. And what smack talking would the Suns be doing? They are in no position, you know the Celtics like run their mouths off though, don't play dumb.

I just find it hilarious that Boston fans are going to call JD a dirty player, and say how they "lost respect" for him based on that foul; it was the right move to make.
 
[quote name='yukine']It was stupid on both ends, Pietrus should have just ran the clock out as well. And what smack talking would the Suns be doing? They are in no position, you know the Celtics like run their mouths off though, don't play dumb.

I just find it hilarious that Boston fans are going to call JD a dirty player, and say how they "lost respect" for him based on that foul; it was the right move to make.[/QUOTE]

I used the wrong terms. Alvin Gentry and KG were jawing at each other and only KG got the tech. Alvin was right there in it too, but the rest of the Suns were pretty much quiet. Sorry for the fuck up. And yeah, I know the Celtics talk smack, I'm not denying that at all actually. I'm just saying that thats how Rondo plays. He's "protecting" his teammates, like that little shove he gave Artest last season when he hard fouled KG. Its what he does, if you get what I'm saying.

I think the "dirty player" thing is really just a shot at the Suns for them saying it after the last game. Whatever. I don't agree with it, I'd make the foul too, I'm just playing devils advocate.
 
Ah, yeah Gentry likes to get into it with the players... don't know if I really agree with it, but I would be annoyed if KG kept jawing at my bench as well.

Anyway, I like the chippiness that has developed between the Suns/Celtics. Reading the post-game interviews it sounds like the Celtics players were fired up to get some revenge, and it showed. Suns starters seemed lackadaisical until the bench brought the energy. I was really impressed by Brooks, I hope he can play like that all the time and give Nash some rest.
 
You know, I wish Boston fans and the general public would remember that the C's have only 1 ring. Period.


I dont dislike the C's but we talk about them like they are this powerhouse dynasty with their big 3 yada, yada, yada. They are no better than the Colts...exit from the playoffs every year but once since their team was put together.

Again, I am not hating on the C's its just odd how much we are suppose to look at them as the team when they only have 1 ring in a conference that was god awful until this year.
 
[quote name='MillerTime2523']Lebron James might be the least clutch player in quite some time. (says the bitter cleveland fan) :lol:

But in all seriousness, he's either deferred the game winners or missed them this season. ie missing a game winner and a game tying 3 this game... the free throws vs boston (missed one that would have tied the game, big baby hit 2), and he didn't do much down the stretch vs Chicago recently.

Glad to see the knicks get that win last night. Hope they make some noise in the playoffs this year. Don't think the Heat are going to be able to.[/QUOTE]
I've said it before, and ill say it again. Only thing better than watching the heat blow a huge lead is watching lebron miss the clutch shots to tie it up. This team is not going to do shit in the post season.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Wow, that was a crazy game! Magic come back from being down 24 in the 3rd to beat the Heat 99-96 in Miami.[/QUOTE]


WAAAAA? I was just watching that game and turned it off half way through the 3rd. Damn should have kept watching it.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']You know, I wish Boston fans and the general public would remember that the C's have only 1 ring. Period.
[/quote]

So than America has only been in 2 wars because thats all I was alive for? The Celtics have 17 championships.

What you mean to say is that these CURRENT Celtics only have one.
 
[quote name='MillerTime2523']I've said it before, and ill say it again. Only thing better than watching the heat blow a huge lead is watching lebron miss the clutch shots to tie it up. This team is not going to do shit in the post season.[/QUOTE]

People need to stop sleeping on my Magic. Our games are always all over the place. You can never count us out based on our level of play and how deep our team is. Tonight was another case in point. We are just as good if not better than the 3 teams every talks about (Celtics, Heat, Bulls).
 
[quote name='lordopus99']People need to stop sleeping on my Magic. Our games are always all over the place. You can never count us out based on our level of play and how deep our team is. Tonight was another case in point. We are just as good if not better than the 3 teams every talks about (Celtics, Heat, Bulls).[/QUOTE]

They're just inconsistent enough to make them a "sleeper" to most analysts. You guys can definitely get up for a 7 game series though. With Hedo back, you guys definitely could make a run for it.
 
[quote name='advanced']So than America has only been in 2 wars because thats all I was alive for? The Celtics have 17 championships.

What you mean to say is that these CURRENT Celtics only have one.[/QUOTE]


Thought that was clearly implied. Seriously, why would anyone possible think I was taking the entire history into account? I think you are reaching just a little bit on that.


On a related note, The Magic are exciting to watch I really think they have a chance to win it all when Nelson and J-Rich are on fire with Howard down low.

By the way I am not referring to the 1993-94 Orlando Magic who went 50-32 and finished 2nd in the Atlantic Division. They have this highly touted 2nd year player who has a strange name. Shaq I think they call him but I they think him and that rookie Hardaway could make a splash.
 
I get what you're saying Soodmeg, seems like the Celtics get more reverence in the media than even the Spurs. It's always going to be about the Lakers/Celtics.
 
Miami's problem is that Lebron and Wade are too similar for their own good. Pierce and Allen were different enough that it works for them. One of those guys needs to pull a Pippen and defer to the other. And honestly I think Wade is more clutch than Lebron and should be taking those late shots
 
[quote name='lordopus99']People need to stop sleeping on my Magic. Our games are always all over the place. You can never count us out based on our level of play and how deep our team is. Tonight was another case in point. We are just as good if not better than the 3 teams every talks about (Celtics, Heat, Bulls).[/QUOTE]
They remind me too much of my team in high school. Live by the 3, die by the 3. When we were on we could run anyone out of the gym but when we got cold we knew it was gonna be a long night. Luckily they caught fire in the 2nd half, but I'm not sure that can carry them to a title.

Edit. Crazy cavs knicks game. Can't believe we got that win. Awesome game. I'm actually feeling pretty good about the team right now. Baron Davis looked great, shit even gody played 10 times better than any expectations I had after that trade, and we still got 2 top 5 picks heading in to next year. Oh yeah and were still missing varejao and jamison. Actually excited as a cavs fan. Never thought I'd see that day come this season.
 
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[quote name='MillerTime2523']They remind me too much of my team in high school. Live by the 3, die by the 3. When we were on we could run anyone out of the gym but when we got cold we knew it was gonna be a long night. Luckily they caught fire in the 2nd half, but I'm not sure that can carry them to a title.

Edit. Crazy cavs knicks game. Can't believe we got that win. Awesome game. I'm actually feeling pretty good about the team right now. Baron Davis looked great, shit even gody played 10 times better than any expectations I had after that trade, and we still got 2 top 5 picks heading in to next year. Oh yeah and were still missing varejao and jamison. Actually excited as a cavs fan. Never thought I'd see that day come this season.[/QUOTE]

Cavs have 12 wins this year, but they make the knicks their bitches everytime they play each other this year. As a diehard Bulls fan, I am glad the Cavs are actually starting to look like a team again. It also puts a smile knowing the Cavs are 3-0 against the Knicks.
 
Man Dirk was ridiculous last night. At one point he was 9/10 and 8/8 from the line. Finished 10/12 and 9/10. Sucks that he doesn't get the love he deserves because the pieces around him haven't delivered in the postseason. Can't wait for Tyson Chandler to get in there and help Dirk change how people look at him.
 
*peaks in* where did those Knick fans go... A Cavs team without Jamison just took them down again. I guess Melo wasn't your savior after all. :lol:

[quote name='Josh5890']The Bulls showed Howard tonight :D Big win for Chitown![/QUOTE]

Yeah after Noah/Asik hacking him to all hell in the first half (only once being called). Howard had to throw an elbow before the refs started calling fouls on those two and look how fast those fouls went onto those guys.
 
Yeah, the Magic are just missing something the past few years. I really think it's just Van Gundy isn't a great offensive coach. I just can't see them winning a title with relying on dumping it in to Howard and kicking out for 3's being like 95% of the offense.

They need to run more motion and screens and get guys like Richardson attacking the basket. That means moving Howard out of the post more often so the lane isn't clogged up by him and the two defenders marking him.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, the Magic are just missing something the past few years. I really think it's just Van Gundy isn't a great offensive coach. I just can't see them winning a title with relying on dumping it in to Howard and kicking out for 3's being like 95% of the offense.

They need to run more motion and screens and get guys like Richardson attacking the basket. That means moving Howard out of the post more often so the lane isn't clogged up by him and the two defenders marking him.[/QUOTE]

I agree we should running more screens but I feel below is where we are truly going wrong.

I think it has some to do with defense as well. Turkoglu is by far a terrible defender. The two guys he guarded ended up scoring 26 points (Deng/Korver) on around 50% shooting; equates to about 30% of Chicago points. Alot of their shots were wide open.

The key number for last night is this...
Total Rebounds... Chicago 50, Orlando 30. We need more guys crashing boards that just Howard and occasionly Bass. Chicago was crashing with 3 to 4 people most of the game.

We have a problem that we assume shots will go in leaving only Howard rebounding while the rest try to run for a fast break. We need to stop that crap.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']*peaks in* where did those Knick fans go... A Cavs team without Jamison just took them down again. I guess Melo wasn't your savior after all. :lol:



Yeah after Noah/Asik hacking him to all hell in the first half (only once being called). Howard had to throw an elbow before the refs started calling fouls on those two and look how fast those fouls went onto those guys.[/QUOTE]

Don't make excuses for your team, they lost fair and square, at home no less.:)
 
[quote name='docvinh']Don't make excuses for your team, they lost fair and square, at home no less.:)[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Don't blame refs when your team loses. I severely doubt you give them credit when they send Howard to the line 20 times in a game. The reality is, he is insanely strong, and he plays an extremely physical game. Sometimes, fouls are not going to be called for him. This is nothing new. Big, strong guys are always going to take a lot of abuse. Despite that fact, Howard still goes to the line more than any other player in the league...by a mile. I mean, what is it now? Over a 150 more free throws? That's nuts. I don't see how Magic fans can still complain about this, but they do...constantly.
 
The problem with the Magic against the Bulls was the same problem that the Magic always have. Sometimes as a team they simply play dumb basketball. As a Bulls fan I had no problem with this last night. If I was a Magic fan it would drive me nuts how they always have stretches in games where there will be a handful of possessions in a row where Howard doesn't touch the ball at all.
 
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Exactly. Don't blame refs when your team loses. I severely doubt you give them credit when they send Howard to the line 20 times in a game. The reality is, he is insanely strong, and he plays an extremely physical game. Sometimes, fouls are not going to be called for him. This is nothing new. Big, strong guys are always going to take a lot of abuse. Despite that fact, Howard still goes to the line more than any other player in the league...by a mile. I mean, what is it now? Over a 150 more free throws? That's nuts. I don't see how Magic fans can still complain about this, but they do...constantly.[/QUOTE]

We complain because its true. Howard gets clobbered all games and it takes him throwing elbows in order to finally have those fouls finally called. This isn't the first game shit like this occurs.

Howard hand checks a player and it's a foul. It takes someone to wrap him up or smack him hard in order for them to pick one up; they can hand check him all game if they want, let alone smack his wrists/forearms and never be called. All I am saying is call it the same everytime for each player. This has NEVER been the case for Howard. Heck, the whole Charlotte series last year he was on the bench due to tacky fouls like stated above yet when he was on the floor he was hacked to shit and it was never called.

As for the loss even if they called the fouls correctly, Chicago still would have played a better game and won.
 
So I found myself today watching a NBADL game. This shit is hilarious...grab a beer and play a game of "So thats where that guy went." Guys I thought were retired, guys who were so bummy they fell off the radar are all playing it up in the NBADL.

Even the commentary guys had me cracking up with comparisons like "he is like a young Bill Russell," and "a shot like Ray Allen." Really? If he had a shot like Ray Allen he wouldnt be hooping for the Bakersfield Jam.

Also, Darvin Ham is coaching a team.

EDIT: Holy Shit Antoine Walker is playing!!!
 
[quote name='lordopus99']We complain because its true. Howard gets clobbered all games and it takes him throwing elbows in order to finally have those fouls finally called. This isn't the first game shit like this occurs.

Howard hand checks a player and it's a foul. It takes someone to wrap him up or smack him hard in order for them to pick one up; they can hand check him all game if they want, let alone smack his wrists/forearms and never be called. All I am saying is call it the same everytime for each player. This has NEVER been the case for Howard. Heck, the whole Charlotte series last year he was on the bench due to tacky fouls like stated above yet when he was on the floor he was hacked to shit and it was never called.
[/QUOTE]
I hear ya, but it's just something he's going to have to deal with. Shaq had to deal with it too.
 
[quote name='docvinh']Shaq had to deal with it too.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Like I said, big, strong guys always have, always will. And like I said, he still goes to the line waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than anyone else in the league. They call an insane amount of fouls for him.
 
good to see d-fish played against the spurs.

that elbow injury he got during the bobcats game on friday looked nasty. thought he may be out a game or two.


also was good to see matt barnes out there and play.
 
[quote name='chssnaredrum04']good to see d-fish played against the spurs.

that elbow injury he got during the bobcats game on friday looked nasty. thought he may be out a game or two.[/QUOTE]

That's because Fisher's a beast. I can't wait for the playoffs; he's always so clutch in the postseason.
 
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