30 in Widescreen HDTV - $320-$388 shipped, Philips Outlet

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Electronics Nation will pricematch the Philips Outlet (they're an affiliate, or an authorized reseller, or something, and are reputable), and they offer extended warranties for extra cash.

Before you make a major purchase on an HDTV, do your research at:
http://www.avsforum.com/

Here are the pros and cons on the 3 major models usually found at Philips Outlet:

30PW850H: $359
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Pros:
Fewer problems overall, more likely to get a working unit without any problems
2 component inputs
Has both the 3D comb filter and 'eye fidelity' (480i to 480p upscaling)

Cons:
No HDMI
Can not adjust aspect ratio except on 480i, non widescreen will be stretched.

Avsforum thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=366742&page=1&pp=30


30PW8420: $388
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Pros:
HDMI port
3D comb filter

Cons:
Somewhat more prone to certain issues, minor hum, geometry, and broken units
Only 1 component input
No 'eye fidelity' (480i to 480p upscaling)


30PW8402: $320-$350
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Pros:
HDMI port
2 component inputs
'Eye fidelity'

Cons:
Least reliable, most prone to problems, such as speaker interference with the screen, geometry, and DOA
No 3D comb filter

Other models:
30PW8520 - Picture in picture, 2 component inputs, no HDMI. Not often available
30PW9xxxD - Built in OTA tuner, but analog signals look like crap, often more expensive.


Don't take my word for it, DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH BEFORE YOU BUY! I will not be responsible if you are unhappy with your purchase, and neither will Philips Outlet. Their return policy on refurbs is 30 days, on site repair, shipping back to them at their expense if required, but no refunds, exchange for identical item only. They will only refund your money if they no longer have your model in stock.
 
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mmn, How was Philips with Customer Service? I'm considering giving them a call to see if they can fix the geometry on my set. Mine's still bugging me because I'm a perfectionist :p And about the flicker, that sounds pretty messed up, but I'm sure it must be a common problem. I hope they're able to fix it up for you, because otherwise, you'd just have to bring them in again to fix the geometry on your new set, heh. Good luck, nonetheless.
 
Hey Modium, do you happen to have the instructions for changing the settings on this tv? The avs forums are down, and I wanted to adjust the sharpness on the CVI channel. I just picked up one of those video setup discs from Hollywood and sharpness is the only thing I need to adjust.
 
[quote name='starman9000']Hey Modium, do you happen to have the instructions for changing the settings on this tv? The avs forums are down, and I wanted to adjust the sharpness on the CVI channel. I just picked up one of those video setup discs from Hollywood and sharpness is the only thing I need to adjust.[/QUOTE]
Ah, well good luck with it. Get the rest of the settings (color, picture, etc.) the way you want them, and then write them down. You hit 062596 then "exit" and it'll bring up the service menu. You hit the AV buttom until you reach the desired input, CVI. Then, you find one of the Smart Settings you don't want to use, write down the factory defaults, just for future reference. In the Service Menu, go down to Smart Settings, then find the setting you want to change, and from there, you'll be able to change the Sharpness, and you can just dial in the rest of the settings to your liking. Now, on some sets, they say you have to hit 3 to save your settings, but, at least on mine, you don't have to. You should be able to just hit Menu and Exit to get out of the service menu, then turn off the set, turn it back on and the settings should be where you want them.

This is all off the top of my head, so I may be a little off, but I'm sure if I am, you'll be able to get it done, even if I am off somewhat.
 
[quote name='modium']Ah, well good luck with it. Get the rest of the settings (color, picture, etc.) the way you want them, and then write them down. You hit 062596 then "exit" and it'll bring up the service menu. You hit the AV buttom until you reach the desired input, CVI. Then, you find one of the Smart Settings you don't want to use, write down the factory defaults, just for future reference. In the Service Menu, go down to Smart Settings, then find the setting you want to change, and from there, you'll be able to change the Sharpness, and you can just dial in the rest of the settings to your liking. Now, on some sets, they say you have to hit 3 to save your settings, but, at least on mine, you don't have to. You should be able to just hit Menu and Exit to get out of the service menu, then turn off the set, turn it back on and the settings should be where you want them.

This is all off the top of my head, so I may be a little off, but I'm sure if I am, you'll be able to get it done, even if I am off somewhat.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, worked like a charm. Did you mess with the Tint function at all? Or do you have a setting that you like? I have mine right now at:
Brightness: 38
Color: 46
Picture: 95
Sharpness: 14
Tint: 0
 
[quote name='modium']mmn, How was Philips with Customer Service? I'm considering giving them a call to see if they can fix the geometry on my set. Mine's still bugging me because I'm a perfectionist :p And about the flicker, that sounds pretty messed up, but I'm sure it must be a common problem. I hope they're able to fix it up for you, because otherwise, you'd just have to bring them in again to
fix the geometry on your new set, heh. Good luck, nonetheless.[/QUOTE]

They were pretty good. All I really did was ask them how I get in the service menu to fix the Geometry and they said "uh, we can't tell you that, you'll need someone to come out and fix that for you". So they gave me the number of a couple of local TV repair shops, I called one, and the next day they sent out a guy to look at it.

The tech guy said that they never have a problem getting Philips to authorize repairs and they're usually one of the better TV companies to work with. He could've just been saying that to keep me from getting pissed, I dunno.
 
[quote name='ChristmasToes']So is the deal over? It seems to be 100$ more than what you listed?[/QUOTE]
No, you guys are just looking at a different TV because this one is sold out, for now. Just wait for it to come back in stock.
 
The link on the first page won't work. Could you post the TV from another site, or post the specs, model number, etc? I want to show it to this person I know who's an expert on HDTVs.
 
[quote name='SOLDIER']Thanks. So please post once the item is back in stock. :)[/QUOTE]
It goes in and out randomly, try checking once in a while during business hours. Theres no particular time or pattern.
 
How my Philips displays the different output "modes"....

http://www.msnusers.com/GlennsPhilips30PW850TVExamples/shoebox.msnw

I think you'll notice the Auto and 16:9 modes lift the picture "up", as does the 14:9 but not so badly. The other modes all look pretty good, but I like the "widescreen" the best of them all.

Now all these pics are from my PS2. Using my Xbox, I get the 480p mode message when the game boots up, and I'm stuck with something VERY similar to Superwide mode, but actually a TOUCH wider. Why isn't the PS2 using 480p by default? Unknown. How do I switch to it? Unknown. Does the Xbox look better at 480p? Not really, IMHO. And I wish I could adjust it like I can the PS2. But then, I get the feeling that's because the PS2 isn't outputting in 480p which SHOULD be better. Hmmm.
 
[quote name='merkman']How my Philips displays the different output "modes"....

http://www.msnusers.com/GlennsPhilips30PW850TVExamples/shoebox.msnw

I think you'll notice the Auto and 16:9 modes lift the picture "up", as does the 14:9 but not so badly. The other modes all look pretty good, but I like the "widescreen" the best of them all.

Now all these pics are from my PS2. Using my Xbox, I get the 480p mode message when the game boots up, and I'm stuck with something VERY similar to Superwide mode, but actually a TOUCH wider. Why isn't the PS2 using 480p by default? Unknown. How do I switch to it? Unknown. Does the Xbox look better at 480p? Not really, IMHO. And I wish I could adjust it like I can the PS2. But then, I get the feeling that's because the PS2 isn't outputting in 480p which SHOULD be better. Hmmm.[/QUOTE]
How are you using that feature? I can't seem to find it right now. (nevermind, I figured it out)

Also, many PS2 games do not support 480p, and if it is 480p, the TV will stretch it out, whether it supports widescreen or not.

You'll need to make sure that in your PS2 settings, you're output is set to Yp Pb R or something similar.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']How are you using that feature? I can't seem to find it right now. (nevermind, I figured it out)

Also, many PS2 games do not support 480p, and if it is 480p, the TV will stretch it out, whether it supports widescreen or not.

You'll need to make sure that in your PS2 settings, you're output is set to Yp Pb R or something similar.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. In fact, the games that DO support Progressive scan have that option in the menu. So you have to physically go INTO the options menu on the games (suck as Jak 2) and turn Prog Scan to ON for it to display in 480p.
 
[quote name='mmn']Exactly. In fact, the games that DO support Progressive scan have that option in the menu. So you have to physically go INTO the options menu on the games (suck as Jak 2) and turn Prog Scan to ON for it to display in 480p.[/QUOTE]
First thing, check out the PS2 list at HDTVArcade and see if the game in question is in 480p. I've found this site is far more accurate than the game boxes. Next, if it is, leaf through its manual and look for anything about Progressive Scan. Sometimes you'll have to enable it in the in-game menu, like mmn said, and sometimes, you'll have to hold X and Triangle while the game boots up. Usually, the manual will tell you, but not always. But HDTVArcade has yet to steer me wrong, which is more than I can say for the Feature lists on the back of game boxes :p

Also, if you find the 14:9 and 16:9 modes 'lifting' the picture, you can use the up and down keys on the remote to move the picture up and down. I don't think this is in the manual. This is helpful if you happen to be watching something in non-Progressive with subtitles, as they tend to get cut off at the bottom.
 
k got my tv back from audio video specialist 2day, they fixed my CVI input but not my s-video av3 input, but i'll live with that, now i got a black bar at the top of the TV, is that what most u guys been talking about? it was fine b4 though until they got through with it

guess i gotta do that bullshit u guys been doing, and adjusting the settings, can someone who is content with how theirs looks, put up their setting numbers since i'm hella lazy, and i'm sure u did a great job

gotta read through this thread again to find those sites to fix this thing by 2nite, but i'm happy that they fixed the CVI input saves me time from switching the component cables, anyone who has the official xbox hd pack, are ur cables hella hard to pull out?
 
[quote name='greyzieoriental']k got my tv back from audio video specialist 2day, they fixed my CVI input but not my s-video av3 input, but i'll live with that, now i got a black bar at the top of the TV, is that what most u guys been talking about? it was fine b4 though until they got through with it

guess i gotta do that bullshit u guys been doing, and adjusting the settings, can someone who is content with how theirs looks, put up their setting numbers since i'm hella lazy, and i'm sure u did a great job

gotta read through this thread again to find those sites to fix this thing by 2nite, but i'm happy that they fixed the CVI input saves me time from switching the component cables, anyone who has the official xbox hd pack, are ur cables hella hard to pull out?[/QUOTE]

Uhm, isn't your S-Video input for AV3 the same as your CVI input? Try putting in something into S-Video without anything being in the CVI inputs and see if that works.

That's how it is on my TV. One S-Video is independent on the side of the TV and the other shares an input with the R/G/B CVI input.
 
no its not the same
the CVI is next to the AV1 composite inputs
the AV3 is on the side of this TV s-video/composite inputs
then there is AV2 with the other s-video
and the AV4 component inputs

i'm gonna get cube component cables when they come back in stock
so i'll just use the s-video for my snes or n64 no big deal, or when my pelican system selector pro comes back i'll have all the inputs i need
 
Update to my problem :

The repair guy calls me today and says he can't find anything wrong with the TV. I pack my Xbox up and head down there to the repair shop. I hook up the Xbox and show him the blooming thats happening on the bottom of the screen. He sees it, says its something that can't be fixed, and calls up a Philips tech support line to see if they can help. They claim there's no known issues with my model number and they have no suggestions.

So....I call the Philips online store, tell them the repair guy says he can't fix it, and the girl at Philips says they'll take it back as a return. They have to schedule some company to come out to my apartment and repack the TV and ship it back out to them. She said it takes 14-21 days after they get the TV to refund the money to my credit card.

In the end I learned a valuable lesson - NEVER buy anything refurbished like this over the internet. Philips has EXCELLENT customer service and I'm not getting screwed at all (well, except for time and such, no big deal) but its such a pain in the ass if you do need to return it. Be warned for anyone who buys from the Philips refurb site - some TVs you get work fine, and some can't be fixed by a repairman.

At least this nightmare is over. The repair guy said the best TVs to have to avoid all these types of issues are flat screen LCDs. So I guess that's what my next step is. Good luck to anyone who plans on ordering from the Philips site - just keep in mind that although you MAY get a crap TV, at least their customer service is excellent and they'll either repair it or return it without much hassle.
 
[quote name='mmn']Update to my problem :

The repair guy calls me today and says he can't find anything wrong with the TV. I pack my Xbox up and head down there to the repair shop. I hook up the Xbox and show him the blooming thats happening on the bottom of the screen. He sees it, says its something that can't be fixed, and calls up a Philips tech support line to see if they can help. They claim there's no known issues with my model number and they have no suggestions.

So....I call the Philips online store, tell them the repair guy says he can't fix it, and the girl at Philips says they'll take it back as a return. They have to schedule some company to come out to my apartment and repack the TV and ship it back out to them. She said it takes 14-21 days after they get the TV to refund the money to my credit card.

In the end I learned a valuable lesson - NEVER buy anything refurbished like this over the internet. Philips has EXCELLENT customer service and I'm not getting screwed at all (well, except for time and such, no big deal) but its such a pain in the ass if you do need to return it. Be warned for anyone who buys from the Philips refurb site - some TVs you get work fine, and some can't be fixed by a repairman.

At least this nightmare is over. The repair guy said the best TVs to have to avoid all these types of issues are flat screen LCDs. So I guess that's what my next step is. Good luck to anyone who plans on ordering from the Philips site - just keep in mind that although you MAY get a crap TV, at least their customer service is excellent and they'll either repair it or return it without much hassle.[/QUOTE]
If you can afford a flat LCD, you probably have enough money that you shouldn't bother with refurbs.
 
[quote name='mmn']Update to my problem :

The repair guy calls me today and says he can't find anything wrong with the TV. I pack my Xbox up and head down there to the repair shop. I hook up the Xbox and show him the blooming thats happening on the bottom of the screen. He sees it, says its something that can't be fixed, and calls up a Philips tech support line to see if they can help. They claim there's no known issues with my model number and they have no suggestions.

So....I call the Philips online store, tell them the repair guy says he can't fix it, and the girl at Philips says they'll take it back as a return. They have to schedule some company to come out to my apartment and repack the TV and ship it back out to them. She said it takes 14-21 days after they get the TV to refund the money to my credit card.

In the end I learned a valuable lesson - NEVER buy anything refurbished like this over the internet. Philips has EXCELLENT customer service and I'm not getting screwed at all (well, except for time and such, no big deal) but its such a pain in the ass if you do need to return it. Be warned for anyone who buys from the Philips refurb site - some TVs you get work fine, and some can't be fixed by a repairman.

At least this nightmare is over. The repair guy said the best TVs to have to avoid all these types of issues are flat screen LCDs. So I guess that's what my next step is. Good luck to anyone who plans on ordering from the Philips site - just keep in mind that although you MAY get a crap TV, at least their customer service is excellent and they'll either repair it or return it without much hassle.[/QUOTE]

Common fact LCDs dont look as good as CRT's . So if your gonna want an LCD with CRT quality for HD content you will have a pretty hard time looking . From what I read around the internet. Also the tv was refurbished I mean come on Its most likely gonna be hit or miss with the TV. Imagine if it was a refurbished LCD tv .

Plasmas are still better than LCDs and that LCDs have a real problem displaying blacks. you will be investing a hell of alot more money on them. If your willing to do that you might as well just get an un-refurbished HD CRT set like philips or sony or keep saving money and do alot of research before getting a new tv.
 
[quote name='jam3582']Common fact LCDs dont look as good as CRT's . So if your gonna want an LCD with CRT quality for HD content you will have a pretty hard time looking . From what I read around the internet. Also the tv was refurbished I mean come on Its most likely gonna be hit or miss with the TV. Imagine if it was a refurbished LCD tv .

Plasmas are still better than LCDs and that LCDs have a real problem displaying blacks. you will be investing a hell of alot more money on them. If your willing to do that you might as well just get an un-refurbished HD CRT set like philips or sony or keep saving money and do alot of research before getting a new tv.[/QUOTE]

:lol:
 
[quote name='The Successful Dropout']:lol:[/QUOTE] errr lol woops errrrr um I Should have never went word for word on that sentence (got that same phrase from various sites) . I meant to say that they have a problem displaying the pure color black compared to CRTs.
 
[quote name='jam3582']Common fact LCDs dont look as good as CRT's . So if your gonna want an LCD with CRT quality for HD content you will have a pretty hard time looking . From what I read around the internet. Also the tv was refurbished I mean come on Its most likely gonna be hit or miss with the TV. Imagine if it was a refurbished LCD tv .

Plasmas are still better than LCDs and that LCDs have a real problem displaying blacks. you will be investing a hell of alot more money on them. If your willing to do that you might as well just get an un-refurbished HD CRT set like philips or sony or keep saving money and do alot of research before getting a new tv.[/QUOTE]

Well there is no perfect TV. The fact is that CRTs have given me nothing but problems (this is the THIRD one in a year that I've had to return because of some type of problem - the first two were 27 inch RCAs). LCDs DO NOT have geometry problems and, from what the repair guy was telling me, do NOT have blooming problems. I'm willing to deal with an LCD having issues with levels of darkness rather than the issues CRTs give. I wouldn't buy a Plasma either - they use too much power, die quicker than LCDs, and mostly come in EDTV instead of HDTV.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']If you can afford a flat LCD, you probably have enough money that you shouldn't bother with refurbs.[/QUOTE]

A decent 27 inch widescreen LCD is only 200 - 300 more than the refurb I bought from Philips. That's not a huge jump in price.
 
[quote name='mmn']Well there is no perfect TV. The fact is that CRTs have given me nothing but problems (this is the THIRD one in a year that I've had to return because of some type of problem - the first two were 27 inch RCAs). LCDs DO NOT have geometry problems and, from what the repair guy was telling me, do NOT have blooming problems. I'm willing to deal with an LCD having issues with levels of darkness rather than the issues CRTs give. I wouldn't buy a Plasma either - they use too much power, die quicker than LCDs, and mostly come in EDTV instead of HDTV.[/QUOTE]

yea no TV is perfect but you need to pay top dollar for an LCD tv that is a good one. I dont think They our with it . Especially if the LCDtv is worth around $200 to $400 bux I think those LCD TVs are horrible .
 
I tried playing a game with tv in the normal standard non HD mode and it looks terrible. Does anyone have an optimal setting for non HD games because it looks like garbage. I turned everything off in the xbox dash and it still looks kind of hazy and colorless almost. I adjusted the color and brightness but to me it just doesn't look right.
 
[quote name='starman9000']Thanks, worked like a charm. Did you mess with the Tint function at all? Or do you have a setting that you like? I have mine right now at:
Brightness: 38
Color: 46
Picture: 95
Sharpness: 14
Tint: 0[/QUOTE]

I did a little search and found starman's settings. Thank you. One question I have is where to you find the sharpness and tint settings? I can't seem to find those. Are they labeled as something else?
 
[quote name='mmn']A decent 27 inch widescreen LCD is only 200 - 300 more than the refurb I bought from Philips. That's not a huge jump in price.[/QUOTE]
A cheapass 26" LCD would be considered a hot deal at $700-800. 30" would be considered a deal at $1000. LCD's have their own issues, such as dead pixels, and you have to be careful about native resolution, response time, and contrast ratio. CRT's still look better, ones that work correctly anyway.

We're talking $359 here. This is a refurb, and you are taking the chance that you'll have to send it back. You're not risking any cash, just your time. Time is worth a lot more to some people, and thats understandable, it might be well worth it to pay $600 for the Sanyo at Walmart, just to not risk the hassle.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']A cheapass 26" LCD would be considered a hot deal at $700-800. 30" would be considered a deal at $1000. LCD's have their own issues, such as dead pixels, and you have to be careful about native resolution, response time, and contrast ratio. CRT's still look better, ones that work correctly anyway.

We're talking $359 here. This is a refurb, and you are taking the chance that you'll have to send it back. You're not risking any cash, just your time. Time is worth a lot more to some people, and thats understandable, it might be well worth it to pay $600 for the Sanyo at Walmart, just to not risk the hassle.[/QUOTE]

Actually we're not talking $359. I didn't buy the TV this whole thread is about, but the 4:3 32 inch TV with Active Control for $493 shipped. So that's why I'm not screaming not to buy this TV - it seems like most people who got the widescreen $359 set are happy. I'm just saying, like you said, there's a chance you'll have to send it back and go through some hassle.

$500 + $300 more = a decent, albeit CHEAP, LCD 27 incher. CompUSA and Fry's regularly run ads for an Olevia brand, which a lot of people on AVS forums and such seem to like quite a bit.

And of course, if I get it from a store and it DOES have dead pixels, it goes right back to the store. No need to deal with shipping a heavy ass 130 + pound hunk of metal.

I'm not knocking CRTs or Philips or anything. I'm glad there are more folks getting HDTVs - they really are incredible. I wish this TV DID work for me - trust me when I say I did not want to return it.
 
[quote name='mmn']Actually we're not talking $359. I didn't buy the TV this whole thread is about, but the 4:3 32 inch TV with Active Control for $493 shipped. So that's why I'm not screaming not to buy this TV - it seems like most people who got the widescreen $359 set are happy. I'm just saying, like you said, there's a chance you'll have to send it back and go through some hassle.

$500 + $300 more = a decent, albeit CHEAP, LCD 27 incher. CompUSA and Fry's regularly run ads for an Olevia brand, which a lot of people on AVS forums and such seem to like quite a bit.

And of course, if I get it from a store and it DOES have dead pixels, it goes right back to the store. No need to deal with shipping a heavy ass 130 + pound hunk of metal.

I'm not knocking CRTs or Philips or anything. I'm glad there are more folks getting HDTVs - they really are incredible. I wish this TV DID work for me - trust me when I say I did not want to return it.[/QUOTE]
Olevia's pretty good.

Glad they're not hassling you about getting your money back. I'm probably going to skip LCD's and wait until thin CRT's are around. Those are supposed to be the next big thing. LCD's are better than plasma though... Never buy a plasma.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Olevia's pretty good.

Glad they're not hassling you about getting your money back. I'm probably going to skip LCD's and wait until thin CRT's are around. Those are supposed to be the next big thing. LCD's are better than plasma though... Never buy a plasma.[/QUOTE]

Well I decided to drop an extra $100 and get a brand I'm comfortable with - Viewsonic. I've known many people who use Viewsonic computer LCDs and have never had a problem with them, so I went for a 27 inch Viewsonic TV.

Here's a link : http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcdtv/n2750w/

It was $999 with a $100 mail in rebate. I bought it taking advantage of a 24 months no interest Good Guys promotion, so I'll have PLENTY of time to pay it off.

I've done quite a bit of reading of reviews of this TV, and even though the black levels aren't perfect, people seem to really like it.

I'll let everyone here know how it goes once I get it in a few days.
 
I have a question about the 30" HDTV phillips widescreen TV

I have the xbox hookup to it by component cables....I turned widescreen on and 480p and 1080i in the xbox video settings.....I then start to play NBA2k5 and notice the pic is somewhat stretch and looks weird....My question is hopw do I make the pic even so it doesent look stretched.....I tried to go to format but it dispearers when in AV mode(xbox). I was trying to change the ratio, but couldent find it when in AV mode just when watching regular TV....Pleas help, assistance is greatly appreciated.

TV rocks though :)
 
[quote name='8ballGuy']I have a question about the 30" HDTV phillips widescreen TV

I have the xbox hookup to it by component cables....I turned widescreen on and 480p and 1080i in the xbox video settings.....I then start to play NBA2k5 and notice the pic is somewhat stretch and looks weird....My question is hopw do I make the pic even so it doesent look stretched.....I tried to go to format but it dispearers when in AV mode(xbox). I was trying to change the ratio, but couldent find it when in AV mode just when watching regular TV....Pleas help, assistance is greatly appreciated.

TV rocks though :)[/QUOTE]
You can't. You have to turn off Progressive Scan in the dash, or it'll just stretch it, because you can't change the aspect ratio in Progressive Mode.
 
[quote name='modium']You can't. You have to turn off Progressive Scan in the dash, or it'll just stretch it, because you can't change the aspect ratio in Progressive Mode.[/QUOTE]

does it still look amazing without progressive scan? and how can I turn prograessive scan off?
 
[quote name='modium']You can't. You have to turn off Progressive Scan in the dash, or it'll just stretch it, because you can't change the aspect ratio in Progressive Mode.[/QUOTE]

dash? as in the xbox dash or the TV options and menu?

if so where is it located?
 
[quote name='8ballGuy']dash? as in the xbox dash or the TV options and menu?

if so where is it located?[/QUOTE]

THE XBOX DASH

Jesus Christ...
 
not my xbox dash :(, only has a widescreen and several option enable sauch as 480p 1080i

I was looking online and said you can force progressive scan by pressing left and right triggers adn then press both thumbsticks in
 
[quote name='8ballGuy']not my xbox dash :(, only has a widescreen and several option enable sauch as 480p 1080i

I was looking online and said you can force progressive scan by pressing left and right triggers adn then press both thumbsticks in[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the options for 480p and 1080i, that's what enables progressive scan on your Xbox. If you set those to "NO" it shouldn't display in progressive scan.
 
[quote name='mmn']Yeah, the options for 480p and 1080i, that's what enables progressive scan on your Xbox. If you set those to "NO" it shouldn't display in progressive scan.[/QUOTE]

what is the purpose of forcing progressive scan then? and how can I stop the image from beign stretched? and still be high definition quality
 
I am so confused, my picture is really fuzzy when playing games like NBA2k5, I notice some people say they run 420p with S video, how the helll you do that(they say the pic is MUCH clearer)? I thought component where the only cables for Hidef and the best ones.
 
First off- Edit button. Not trying to be rude in any way at all, mind you, but really, it's there for a reason.

You cannot have this television do Progressive Scan and NOT be in widescreen. I have no idea why, you'd have to ask Philips. You can find out if a game supports Widescreen AND Progressive Scan here- http://www.hdtvarcade.com/xboxlist.htm You cannot get 480p with S-Video cables, you NEED component to do Progressive Scan. The reason the games look fuzzy in 480i is because the TV doesn't allow you to adjust the sharpness of a component input. Once again, no idea why, ask Philips. If you're interested, the only way to adjust the sharpness is to go into the Service Menu, which can be very risky if you don't know what you're doing. If you want to, though, I posted instructions on this very page, post #551.
 
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