40gb PS3 $399, no bc - 11/2, $499 80gb, limited bc, now. 56,877 new skus rumored

[quote name='FxhoundADAM']I guess you're a little more optomistic abuot the PS3 but as someone who was planning on picking one up this weekend that keynote did little to really make me want to do that. If anything they made me kinda want to wait and see a little longer, like sometime next year.[/QUOTE]



yeah I am very optimistic. If I was a person that wanted to pick up a PS3, if I could bring myself to wait; I'd wait at least until around the holiday season to see if there was going to be a drop. MS is the one who needs to gain ground in Japan, so they needed to show off new IPs. I don't blame you for waiting, knowing that a newer cheaper version with smaller semiconductors is coming is something definitely worth waiting on [assuming that you don't really really want one now, and can be patient]. The longer you wait the more you can save, and you may be getting a better made system.
 
[quote name='FxhoundADAM']Well I think Sony lost their oppertunity. A Price drop now would have gotten their name in the news a little but without the drop it's all jokes about their rumble and Halo 3 hype. If they wait till October they can still push some systems for the holidays but I HIGHLY doubt anyone will drop their price that close to Christmas, it just doesn't make sense from a business standpoint as they will sell regardless. It's these slower times when a price drop makes a difference.

Chances are that since we didn't see a price droptoday we won't be seeing one till 2008. My guess is with some sype of new package with the rumble controler.[/QUOTE]It has been done before around April, but usually May is price drop time.

Sony ain't going to announce a new SKU at TGS (if it's for the U.S.) because their plans for the Japanese market are different. They will probably always have a PS3 containing EE. Some may not think that's fair, but there are two reasons the Japanese will get it: Their software catalog of PS1/PS2 games is WAY larger than both U.S. and Japan. Also, video game stores in Japan still carry PS1 games brand new (PS1 and PS2 games. Heck, gaming stores even carry NES games new), and since people still buy them and they are still re-printed, they'll always receive it. A 40GB SKU that would have software BC (or no BC), just isn't going to get announced at some Japan show because they aren't getting it.
 
The rumors are chugging along this week again. They're too loud and too frequent to be untrue, though I must admit that announcing a price drop before releasing a product is just plain silly, which may be why (if this console is going to happen) we have not yet heard about it.

So, when Sony says "Hey guys, $400 40GB PS3!" the consumers will say "when?" If Sony's answer isn't "Right now, get yer ass over to Best Buy!" then current sales will suffer. People will hold off on buying consoles until the $400 is available. It works in that direction (price drop). When they dropped the price of the 60GB, and announced the 80GB, it was fine to announce it ahead of time - the 60GB was the cheaper of the two, so sales of that didn't suffer at all (quite the opposite, in fact). If you also recall the sordid Speedy/Circuit City ordeal, it was more Sony who was pissed than CC, because knowing ahead of time that a price drop was coming forced them to show their hand several days early, drop the price, and sacrifice that extra revenue ($100 X however many consoles they could sell in 4-5 days; 2,000 or so?).

I only hope that Sony doesn't take away BC altogether, or do something absolutely inane that would render this console undesirable.
 
sounds like a near confirmation for the 40gb from Joystiq (source is an electronics manufacturer or something.)


come onnnnn $99 PS2! They've still got a little bit of time to announce all the stuff in the topic title for the holidays. Maybe they're waiting for a couple weeks after Halo 3 so the hype is a little cleared out. Because halo hype is impenetrable and the announcement of yet another PS3 with a different HD isn't going to turn heads.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I only hope that Sony doesn't take away BC altogether, or do something absolutely inane that would render this console undesirable.[/QUOTE]
I read this rumor and it doesn't make sense to me. Isn't BC completely software based now (I mean on the new 80gb units)? So, why would they disable something that is simply software? It would seem almost petty. I'd expect more to see things like the memory card reader and WiFi stripped, as well as some of the USB ports, etc.
 
No BC on a PS3 would force me to wait till it drops to $250...:roll:

I gave my PS2 to my cousin and I have a whole bunch of PS2 games still leftover.
 
[quote name='dallow']It will have BC.[/quote]

I hope you're right. You were the one that read that it was definitely going to be announced at TGS.
 
[quote name='nikelecious91']I hope you're right. You were the one that read that it was definitely going to be announced at TGS.[/quote]Everyone was wrong.

I still expect to see a new model soon for $399.

However the idea of dropping BC is laughable.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Sony ain't going to announce a new SKU at TGS (if it's for the U.S.) because their plans for the Japanese market are different. They will probably always have a PS3 containing EE.[/quote]

Where is this info from? My understanding is that they stopped all production of EE in PS3s. From a production standpoint, it makes no sense to continue making chips for one market and not for another since the point of removing the EE in the first place was to reduce cost.

And I don't get this talk about no BC since there is BC in the form of software emu. It's not 100% BC, but it's BC nonetheless.
 
There's some rumor coming up about a 299 40gb model to be announced this week - trying to spoil that HALO 3 party going on.
 
qj.net, and joystiq.com has stories about it.

one story comes from foxconn compnay that makes the PS2 - they report that they are working on the 40gb models and they're supposed to be stripped down versions of the PS3.

second story from qj.net just reports that UK is supposed to get the 299 model.

at this point every thing is rumored -

I) http://ps3.joystiq.com/2007/09/24/rumor-sony-announcing-40gb-ps3-this-week/

II) http://ps3.qj.net/UK-to-get-40GB-SKU-for-only-GBP-299-/pg/49/aid/103223



oh my bad.. that's 299 GBP ... not US...
 
299 in GBP is probably almost $600 in USD with how the dollar has been doing lately. I think the canadian dollar is about equal to us now.
 
[quote name='YoshiFan1']I hope the $399 40GB is true and then EB lowers the 20GB from $449 to $349 or less. I really want the 20GB because of the EE.[/quote]

Cmon now, EB is part of the monolith known as AssRapeStop now, so you REALLY think they're gonna CUT the price? If anything, for people wanting more complete BC, they'll up the price to $499 or some other insane number.

Then, they'll hold that there until they realize NO ONE is gonna buy an older model PS3 at what the 60gb was/is going for right now.

I miss the last generation, when consoles cost $299.99 and controllers were a 'mere' $29.99 and brains flew through space.
 
eeenteresting. kinda dumb of Sony if true. they don't have so much pull as to blow everyone's mind with a 40gb PS3 right now. they need all the good publicity they can get.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']I can't believe that they could already be in stores... they should have had them in sunday's newspaper.[/quote]

I think after the 1st price drop got leaked, they might be getting cautious...
 
[quote name='Apossum']eeenteresting. kinda dumb of Sony if true. they don't have so much pull as to blow everyone's mind with a 40gb PS3 right now. they need all the good publicity they can get.[/quote]

Only company not pulling the multi SKU thing now is Ninty and they're in first place, last time I checked. Between switching between good BC and bad BC and now the potential rumble SixAxis(even though rumble is 'old tech' and 'last gen'), they're confusing the fuck out of their potential market. So believe me, this is nothing but heaps and heaps of bad publicity at every turn.

Plus, casuals don't give a shit if the system plays every stupid disc format under the sun, so that wouldn't be a selling point for most, so no need to market it as such. Personally, I still think it's just Sony shoving their new disc format down an unwilling publics throat.

If Sony and MS want to have a bigger share of the gaming pie, they need to get 1)reliable hardware(for MS) and 2) reasonably priced hardware that does all of the crap it's last gen counterparts did flawlessly for those who sold their prior gen systems to afford the new toys that're out now.

Stupidest thing Sony did was going MS's route and making BC sketchy at best, though many reported that on a PS3 PS2 games looked like ass till the one update anyway. Taking out the components many people WERE using, while keeping the extra crap in there that only some are using was REAL smart, Sony.

I wouldn't care if the PS3 came with 50 Blu-Ray discs, since I have no plans to use the system for playing movies. Give me something I really value and stop switching the damned SKUs already.
 
Why do my posts annoy you? Because I'm not like 'omg Sony is the bestest, I want their shitty shit so much, I'll pay any godforsaken bullshit price they ask'?

Or just because I happen to be stating something obvious that you'd rather ignore and not have put 'in your face'?

Either way, me 'annoying you' puts a big ol smile on my face and I hope to continue doing it for many years to come. Don't like my posts, put me on your ignore list.
 
heres hopin the new ps3s come before the free bluray promotion ends. If that is the case... than I may be getting one from the fiance as an early xmas gift :)
 
40GB PS3s quietly hitting retailer storerooms the week of Halo 3 launch?

Interesting, but I'll believe it when I see it.
 
[quote name='aerozero']I think after the 1st price drop got leaked, they might be getting cautious...[/QUOTE]


oh god.. now "da city" is going to supeona for me now.
 
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/news/?id=17541

I don't think anybody else has posted this bit of news yet.

As speculation surrounding the introduction of a cheaper 40GB PS3 continues to circulate—it's believed that the 80GB will drop to $499 while a new 40GB model will be brought to market for $399—Newsweek's N'Gai Croal has posted some interesting information in his latest Monday Morning Quarterback feature.

According to trusted sources outside of Sony, Croal said that "Sony placed a sizable order for 40 gigabyte hard drives." More interesting still is that the "profit and loss on hardware has been moved from Sony Computer Entertainment International (SCEI) to the regional groups, SCE America, SCE Europe and SCE Japan. This means that each territory is now free to set its own pricing on PS3 hardware, but those individual territories are responsible for managing the hit to their profitability if they decide to cut the price."

This could potentially explain why SCE chief executive Kaz Hirai made no announcement of a price cut during the Tokyo Game Show. If profit and loss is being handled on a regional basis, SCEA could still announce a price cut and a new 40GB model in the near future.

Croal continued, "If my source is correct, I'd expect to see a $399 PS3 in North America before Thanksgiving... I'm not sure that Japan will cut its price that much, but I suspect that they will time their price cut to the December release of Gran Turismo 5 Prologue; the Japanese will probably also see some GT5 Prologue bundles as well. Europe is a bit of a wild card, since various PAL territories have already put together some extravagant bundles to help justify the PS3's extravagant price, but I expect them to avail themselves of the returning 40 gigabyte model as well."
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Seems like you should keep your eyes open for the new SKU for a while longer.
 
Thanks for the heads up Frisky. Not wholly surprising, but this news does get more and more interesting by the day. I know my buddy will be all over GT5:prologue like white on rice, but I'm sure a $399.99 system will make it that much easier for him to bite. Heck, for a lot more people I imagine.
 
Yeah I'm a couple pages late, but why would anyone think BC would be taken out? The software has already been developed, so they would save no money by removing the feature. And why would they want to reduce their features if it resulted in no savings for anyone?

Edit: If months pass and this turns out to be just a rumor after all, it probably started from this article.
 
[quote name='pete5883']Yeah I'm a couple pages late, but why would anyone think BC would be taken out? The software has already been developed, so they would save no money by removing the feature. And why would they want to reduce their features if it resulted in no savings for anyone?

Edit: If months pass and this turns out to be just a rumor after all, it probably started from this article.[/QUOTE]From what I believe (I could be wrong), the software BC still uses the GS (but removed the EE). By removing BC, they might be removing the GS. I could be wrong, but I could have sworn the GS was still in the EE removed PS3 consoles.
 
That would be a huge step in the right direction for Sony.

I still don't think I'd bite at $400 as the games just aren't there for me yet, and I'm not really itching to have a Blu Ray player at this point. Disc prices will have to be much closer to DVD range (i.e. find most everything for $5-10 within a year of release) for me to get excited about Blu Ray or HD DVD as I'm not a videophile.
 
[quote name='dallow']Damn, all this time I thought you had a PS3.[/QUOTE]

Nope. I have a hard time envisioning paying more than $300 for a console regardless of it's game library.

So just the Wii for me so far this generation. Will pick up either a 360 or a PS3 eventually as the Wii isn't looking likely to have enough AAA games to keep me busy.

It's looking more like a 360 as it just has more exclusives out and announced that interest me, which is somewhat disappointing to me as the PS2 was my most played console last gen.
 
Actually guys, notice how there's a lot of Sony titles releasing on or near November 20th? That's including some big multiplatform titles. I suspect we'll see the $400 model on or near November 20th, just in time for people to go to stores to check it out, especially during the US's biggest sales day, Black Friday after Thanksgiving. Then as they look at the game shelves they see games like Haze, Rock Band, Uncharted. Many are multiplatform yes, but the shelves will be quite a bit more filled. I think the "PS3 has no games" argument is going to go away come that time.

Here, let me a compile a list from EB of games that'll come out on or before November 20th (exclusives have a *):
Ratchet and Clank Future*
Guitar Hero 3
Stranglehold
Blacksite: Area 51
Call of Duty 4 (I think?)
Bladestorm: Hundred Years War
WWE Smackdown vs RAW 2008
Singstar*
Army of Two
Assassin's Creed
Kane & Lynch Dead Men
Need for Speed Pro Street
Half-Life 2 Orange Box
College Hoops 2k8
Haze*
Medal of Honor Airborne
Unreal Tournament 3 (timed)
Rock Band
Time Crisis 4*
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune*

And don't start arguing who will buy what multiplatform game for what system because it's all subjective and depends on what system you have now and what you'll buy. Yes, it's a valid argument, but that isn't the point of this current discusion. So can it. Same goes for the idiots who will undoubtedly start rumoring that every PS3 exclusive will come to the 360 sometime. Go elsewhere.
 
[quote name='Vanigan']Actually guys, notice how there's a lot of Sony titles releasing on or near November 20th? That's including some big multiplatform titles. I suspect we'll see the $400 model on or near November 20th, just in time for people to go to stores to check it out, especially during the US's biggest sales day, Black Friday after Thanksgiving. Then as they look at the game shelves they see games like Haze, Rock Band, Uncharted. Many are multiplatform yes, but the shelves will be quite a bit more filled. I think the "PS3 has no games" argument is going to go away come that time.

Here, let me a compile a list from EB of games that'll come out on or before November 20th (exclusives have a *):
Ratchet and Clank Future*
Guitar Hero 3
Stranglehold
Blacksite: Area 51
Call of Duty 4 (I think?)
Bladestorm: Hundred Years War
WWE Smackdown vs RAW 2008
Singstar*
Army of Two
Assassin's Creed
Kane & Lynch Dead Men
Need for Speed Pro Street
Half-Life 2 Orange Box
College Hoops 2k8
Haze*
Medal of Honor Airborne
Unreal Tournament 3 (timed)
Rock Band
Time Crisis 4*
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune*

And don't start arguing who will buy what multiplatform game for what system because it's all subjective and depends on what system you have now and what you'll buy. Yes, it's a valid argument, but that isn't the point of this current discusion. So can it. Same goes for the idiots who will undoubtedly start rumoring that every PS3 exclusive will come to the 360 sometime. Go elsewhere.[/QUOTE]



that's not a bad holiday lineup.. plus I think this holiday Sony needs to start their Greatest hits library.. 24.99
 
[quote name='dallow']After this Christmas season.
I never want to hear the "no games" crap again.[/QUOTE]

I think people mainly mean "no exclusive games" and there are very few in that list....and none that I give a crap about.

Exclusives are that matter when deciding which console to buy. At least for those that only buy consoles to play games.
 
The argument has been "no games" period, not just exclusives. Exclusives are always a factor, but there are many more factors than that.

But to address your argument, exclusives need to be developed first party, or funded development (2nd party), or gotten via an expensive deal with an independant publisher/developer (third party). In all cases, such games take around 2 years to develop after such a deal is made. Sony didn't have its act together until after the launch in terms of getting developers, but they've got a lot now since launch. There'll be a lot of new exclusives for the PS3 come 2008. The main ones we know about are Killzone 2, MGS4, Final Fantasy 13 (and Versus). There's unannounced ones like Heavy Rain, God of War 3, SOCOM 5, and some other Sony IPs that'll get PS3 versions.

What this should mean to you depends on why you aren't getting a PS3. Do you simply not see any exclusive games you want now, but would pick it up when enough come out? Or do you have ill placed loyalty to one corporation over another?
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I think people mainly mean "no exclusive games" and there are very few in that list....and none that I give a crap about.

Exclusives are that matter when deciding which console to buy. At least for those that only buy consoles to play games.[/quote]Has about the same amount of 360 exclusives coming this holday season.

And you simply decide on that, then the Wii is the top console as none of the others can match it's wide selection of point and click EXCLUSIVE shovelware.
 
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