40gb PS3 $399, no bc - 11/2, $499 80gb, limited bc, now. 56,877 new skus rumored

[quote name='Vanigan']
And don't start arguing who will buy what multiplatform game for what system because it's all subjective and depends on what system you have now and what you'll buy. Yes, it's a valid argument, but that isn't the point of this current discusion. So can it. Same goes for the idiots who will undoubtedly start rumoring that every PS3 exclusive will come to the 360 sometime. Go elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
It's interesting, because Sony is basically in the position MS was last generation. There were plenty of good games on the Xbox, but when you looked at the PS2 next to it, it just had so many MORE games, and so many of those were exclusives. Now, granted in only their first year, Sony is in a similar position it's gaining ground every month. I think by Christmas 2008 these two systems will look much more similar.
 
[quote name='Vanigan']
What this should mean to you depends on why you aren't getting a PS3. Do you simply not see any exclusive games you want now, but would pick it up when enough come out? Or do you have ill placed loyalty to one corporation over another?[/QUOTE]


No loyalty to any of the companies, pretty much think they all suck at this point in time as I'm not very happy with what any of them are offering right now.

I'm not getting a PS3 yet (and probably won't) because:

1. I don't think I'd ever pay more than $299.99 for a console. Had never paid more than $199.99 before buying a Wii at launch.

2. No real "must have" exclusives out or announced for me. I mean I'd like to play FFXIII, but I have no real time for RPGs anymore, wouldn't mind Ratchet and Clank, but I'm pretty sick of the series. Hate the MGS games etc. etc.

So for me to pick one up, it would have to hit $300, and have enough exclusves for me to buy it over the 360, which at least has a decent handful of exclusives that interest me--Gears, Halo 3, Bioshock (assuming the PS3 version is indeed canned), Mass Effect, etc.
 
[quote name='dallow']Has about the same amount of 360 exclusives coming this holday season.

And you simply decide on that, then the Wii is the top console as none of the others can match it's wide selection of point and click EXCLUSIVE shovelware.[/QUOTE]

I think the Wii's software sucks. I think MS and Sony won't catch it in sales as it is selling like fucking hot cakes DESPITE having shit software.

It's just a crazy phenomenon. And sales will definitley keep up now that stuff like Metroid, Mario and Smash Bros are coming out, Mario Kart next year etc.

Fair point on the 360 exclusives, difference for me is there are some I actually want to play there. And from a business point they have huge system seller exclusive in Halo 3, and Mass Effect looks to move some consoles too. The PS3 is hurt by MGS4 not coming this year as that's the one that could have moved some systems.
 
Why'd you pick up a Wii again?
I know you're infamous for bashing the games over at the Wii board.

Must be all the exclusives.

Or probably like me, pretty much solely for the Nintendo titles.
And I now that I see your post above, I'm right.

Lot of money to pay for such few titles though.
It was worth it for me however, as I would have bought the Wii only for Smash.
 
[quote name='dallow']Why'd you pick up a Wii again?
I know you're infamous for bashing the games over at the Wii board.

Must be all the exclusives.

Or probably like me, pretty much solely for the Nintendo titles.
And I now that I see your post above, I'm right.

Lot of money to pay for such few titles though.[/QUOTE]

1. It was the only one that was affordable.

2. I had an x-box and GC gathering dust, selling them and most of the games garnered enough cash to get the Wii and Zelda at launch with no cost out of pocket.

3. I was stoked for the motion control. Have been let down buy it for the most part so far, but I did love it in Zelda and Metroid, so the potential is still there.

4. Nintendo, while not a great hardware maker IMO, is my favorite game developer. So as you noted, their games were the main draw. Honestly, if it wasn't for Nintendo games, I'd probably have quit gaming a long time ago. So it's hard for me to pass up a console. I'd hoped for years that they'd pull a sega, and I could enjoy their games on better hardware from Sony or MS, but that's obviously never going to happen with the tremendous success of the DS and Wii.


So that's pretty much it. If I had to do it over again, I'd probably put the cash I made selling all that crap into a 360 as there's definitely more that I want to play there than on the Wii. But then again, while there's more games, there's nothing that I'd want to play more than Zelda, Mario and Metroid, so it's a toss up, especially when you factor in the extra cost and high failure rate.....man this gen really sucks so far. :D
 
who ever wants a Wii can get one, because its affordable... whoever wants 360 can get one, cause its affordable.. I just want the PS3 to be affordable so that people who want one, can get one.
 
[quote name='Blackout542']So I take it 60gb will drop again too?[/QUOTE]

I believe the rumor is that it will be gone for good, and the 80GB will stick around. Whether it stays $600 or sees a drop I've not heard.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I believe the rumor is that it will be gone for good, and the 80GB will stick around. Whether it stays $600 or sees a drop I've not heard.[/quote]
It's not a rumor. Sony said it themselves that once the 60GBs are off store shelves, they're gone for good.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']It's not a rumor. Sony said it themselves that once the 60GBs are off store shelves, they're gone for good.[/QUOTE]

Well, there you have it. So it will just be 40 and 80GB as the two options, at $399 and whatever the 80GB goes for, I'd expect it to stay at $599 for a while as an elite option, with the 40GB being marketed the most..
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Well, there you have it. So it will just be 40 and 80GB as the two options, at $399 and whatever the 80GB goes for, I'd expect it to stay at $599 for a while as an elite option, with the 40GB being marketed the most..[/QUOTE]

Not likely. The $600 80GB has "limited edition" marked on the box, and there's no way they could sell it at $600 without Motorstorm. I could foresee it dropping to $500 once 60GB supplies are mostly depleted (whenever the hell that comes to pass).
 
Actually the 60gb are out at Sony's warehouses, not store shelves. Although I suspect those on the shelves are getting a little thin, there should be some left going into the holidays. But, it's likely Sony will announce something before Thanksgiving in the US.

We can assume, for now, that the $400 40gb rumors will come true due to the FCC paperwork that was found. I think sony will have to have something at the $500 price point, but they'll wait until the 40gb version is announced too before announcing anything else.

Now we just play the waiting game until November. I'm still betting on an announcement on or around November 20th, to coincide with both the release of a bunch of Sony games, and the start of the holiday shopping season on the 25th.
 
Yep, that's certainly something.

I think this move is more a big effort to keep the big exclusives like FF13 and MGS4. Along with a general push to get sales this holiday season to get a nice start for 2008.

Remember how both Konami and Square were saying how the PS3 sales need to pick up and the price needs to go down, otherwise they'd consider other consoles?

Notice how they've now shut up about that in all the press releases and interviews, and then lo and behold a basically confirmed $400 version shows up? Rumored to be funded by the Sony insurance division's IPO?

It's not exactly desperation, but it is a bold move for a company that knows its behind and has pulled out all stops to catch up. Sony knows it needs to catch up bigtime, especially since the first two big name exclusives had flaws (Lair was a mess. Heavenly Sword was just a tad too short, but still good.)

Sony also had to pickup Haze as an exclusive to satisfy FPS gamers since no doubt people with only PS3s are going to want to play some big FPS game while they watch 360 owners play Halo 3.
 
I think going exclusive PS3 for haze was a smart (obvious) move for them. They would be up against huge competition in the 360 FPS dept. So what every deal they worked out with sony was probably pretty close to the paltry sales they would have had on 360.

~S
 
[quote name='snowsquirrel']I think going exclusive PS3 for haze was a smart (obvious) move for them. They would be up against huge competition in the 360 FPS dept. So what every deal they worked out with sony was probably pretty close to the paltry sales they would have had on 360.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Haze had all the earmarks of turning out like Pariah on the Xbox. Decent game completely forgotten due to Halo. Now, as an exclusive for the PS3, it will get more attention and additional marketing from Sony themselves. Not too bad a move.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']well at least the PS3s are selling,[/quote]

While they may be selling, I don't think they're selling fast enough encourage FFXIII and MGS4 level exclusives -- and both those games were in development BEFORE the PS3 launched. I'm not sure they would be if they knew what the installed bases would look like now. I bet they would be Wii titles.

I don't doubt that FFXIII and MGS4 will hit the PS3 because of the current development time invested in each game -- I also think it is more likely than not that they will remain exclusives... (for at least a year anyways...) However, I DO think new game developments starting today are much, much MUCH less likely to be PS3 exclusives -- more likely cross platform if they go to the PS3. I certainly think the number of exclusives coming out for Xbox 360 will be greater -- both including and excluding the PS3/Xbox360 arcade titles.

I would think it is a simple question of installed bases -- and Sony currently has the lowest installed base, and would thus the least profitable future prospect. $400 PS3 could turn that around. $300 PS3 WOULD turn that around.
 
[quote name='BattleChicken'] However, I DO think new game developments starting today are much, much MUCH less likely to be PS3 exclusives -- more likely cross platform if they go to the PS3. I certainly think the number of exclusives coming out for Xbox 360 will be greater -- both including and excluding the PS3/Xbox360 arcade titles.

I would think it is a simple question of installed bases -- and Sony currently has the lowest installed base, and would thus the least profitable future prospect. $400 PS3 could turn that around. $300 PS3 WOULD turn that around.[/QUOTE]

I think you are certainly right about American developed games and American style games. However, there are still many games that do not sell well outside Japan, sell better in Japan, or sell just as well in Japan as they do in the US and I think many of those will continue to be developed for the PS3. There's simply no reason for Japanese developers to develop exclusively for the Xbox 360 unless they believe the title will sell better in the US.
 
[quote name='elwood731']I think you are certainly right about American developed games and American style games. However, there are still many games that do not sell well outside Japan, sell better in Japan, or sell just as well in Japan as they do in the US and I think many of those will continue to be developed for the PS3. There's simply no reason for Japanese developers to develop exclusively for the Xbox 360 unless they believe the title will sell better in the US.[/QUOTE]


If the developers don't care much about cutting edge graphics, they may go to the Wii instead though, since it has a larger install base in BOTH Japan and the US.

Already seeing it in the handheld world with stuff like Dragon Quest 9 going to the DS--and the PSP while dreadfully behind the DS has sold a hell of a lot better than the PS3.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']well at least the PS3s are selling,[/QUOTE]


So are Gamecubes, GBAs, and I'm sure at some pawnshops around the world the Jaguars are moving off the shelves!
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']If the developers don't care much about cutting edge graphics, they may go to the Wii instead though, since it has a larger install base in BOTH Japan and the US.

Already seeing it in the handheld world with stuff like Dragon Quest 9 going to the DS--and the PSP while dreadfully behind the DS has sold a hell of a lot better than the PS3.[/QUOTE]
Good point. And I think we may see some surprising titles and franchise move to Wii development. But I think there's still a great deal of interest in developing for a cutting-edge console, and in turn for gamers to buy games for it. The DQ9 to DS issue is a little bit unique in that the DS overwhelmingly dominates the hand held market, and while allegiance may be split between three main consoles, everyone had to buy from basically one hand held, so there's a big pie split less ways. That, of course, is changing as the PSP continues to pick up in sales, and we're seeing more development split because of it.

But yeah, certainly the Wii is alluring to many. I think many were surprised to hear the next Kingdom Hearts is still in development for the PS3, as the Wii seemed a perfect fit. Perhaps they are trying to keep KH and Final Fantasy tied together?
 
[quote name='BattleChicken']While they may be selling, I don't think they're selling fast enough encourage FFXIII and MGS4 level exclusives -- and both those games were in development BEFORE the PS3 launched. I'm not sure they would be if they knew what the installed bases would look like now. I bet they would be Wii titles.

I don't doubt that FFXIII and MGS4 will hit the PS3 because of the current development time invested in each game -- I also think it is more likely than not that they will remain exclusives... (for at least a year anyways...) However, I DO think new game developments starting today are much, much MUCH less likely to be PS3 exclusives -- more likely cross platform if they go to the PS3. I certainly think the number of exclusives coming out for Xbox 360 will be greater -- both including and excluding the PS3/Xbox360 arcade titles.

I would think it is a simple question of installed bases -- and Sony currently has the lowest installed base, and would thus the least profitable future prospect. $400 PS3 could turn that around. $300 PS3 WOULD turn that around.[/QUOTE]


We're still early in the game and if MGS4, and FFXIII don't generate enough revenue they can still port them to 360. Exclusives are present to move systems, you don't get exclusives just because you're system is selling the best. - that happens because sometimes, devs don't have enough resouces to make a game for multiple consoles. PS3 doesn't need to sell X amount of consoles to be granted MGS4 and FFXIII level exclusives, its getting them because A) sony paid money for them, and B) because they're needed to push systems.

Unless MS pays, I wouldn't keep a game exclusive on 360, because it can be overlooked, whereas on PS3 it could help push systems. There's plenty of money to be made on PS3, plus a smart developer wouldn't be developing games based on todays market... you develop based on market predictions, and there's a lot of predictions that indicated that PS3 will be outselling 360s by this time next year.
 
[quote name='evilomar']So are Gamecubes, GBAs, and I'm sure at some pawnshops around the world the Jaguars are moving off the shelves![/QUOTE]



yeah well I guess you should put your money back into that Atari Jaguar stock.
 
[quote name='elwood731']

But yeah, certainly the Wii is alluring to many. I think many were surprised to hear the next Kingdom Hearts is still in development for the PS3, as the Wii seemed a perfect fit. Perhaps they are trying to keep KH and Final Fantasy tied together?[/quote]

Chain of memories for the GBA. I believe there is also one in development for the DS.

Nintendo is getting more square games than Sony, and WAY more than Microsoft.
 
[quote name='BattleChicken']Chain of memories for the GBA. I believe there is also one in development for the DS.

Nintendo is getting more square games than Sony, and WAY more than Microsoft.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps I should have been more clear, the next "main" Kingdom Hearts game. Yes, there are KH titles in development for DS, PSP, and cell phones.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']yeah well I guess you should put your money back into that Atari Jaguar stock.[/QUOTE]


I didn't even know they had stock back then...I thought it was all gone after the 7800. I do think that the Jaguar currently has more titles than the PS3 though.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']
Unless MS pays, I wouldn't keep a game exclusive on 360, because it can be overlooked, whereas on PS3 it could help push systems. [/QUOTE]

While I agree with the rest of your post, that part is just nonsense. At least when talking about huge AAA exclusives.

Those types of games never get overlooked. And you're going to sell more on the 360 with it's 2x+ installed base than on the PS3 right now regardless of pushing some console sales.

The only reason to put a big AAA game exclusive is really if a console maker is paying you to do so (thus ofsetting the loss of sales on other platforms). And this is even more true when the console in question is in a distant third place and looking pretty gloomy sales wise in general through the 2007 holiday season.
 
[quote name='evilomar']I didn't even know they had stock back then...I thought it was all gone after the 7800. I do think that the Jaguar currently has more titles than the PS3 though.[/QUOTE]

Are you in the PS3 forum to do anything other than be a bastard?
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']While I agree with the rest of your post, that part is just nonsense. At least when talking about huge AAA exclusives.

Those types of games never get overlooked. And you're going to sell more on the 360 with it's 2x+ installed base than on the PS3 right now regardless of pushing some console sales.

The only reason to put a big AAA game exclusive is really if a console maker is paying you to do so (thus ofsetting the loss of sales on other platforms). And this is even more true when the console in question is in a distant third place and looking pretty gloomy sales wise in general through the 2007 holiday season.[/QUOTE]

AAA titles dont' get overlooked.. your'e right; take for instance a game like Haze, on 360 its going to get overlooked, however on PS3 as a timed exclusive, it could sell a couple of PS3s. On PS3 its a fresh new IP, on 360 its just another FPS. HAZE could be a AAA title... it could be a B, or C.
 
[quote name='evilomar']I didn't even know they had stock back then...I thought it was all gone after the 7800. I do think that the Jaguar currently has more titles than the PS3 though.[/QUOTE]


so does N-gage... which one are you gonna buy? Ngage or Jaguar...
 
[quote name='anarchyburger']hmm interesting...

nice find[/quote]So based on that artical the new model would have a 40 GB harddrive, WiFi, but no card reader and only 2 USB ports (instead of the normal 4) and would cost $400.

Sounds like the model they should have released in the first place. Although the lack of the emotion engine really does suck.
 
[quote name='FxhoundADAM']
Sounds like the model they should have released in the first place. Although the lack of the emotion engine really does suck.[/QUOTE]

I don't mind it too much. All I still play on the PS2 is the guitar hero games, and unless I missed news of an update the controllers won't work anyway, so if I got a PS3 I'd probably just sell the PS2 and those games and pick up GH3.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Are you in the PS3 forum to do anything other than be a bastard?[/QUOTE]

I believe I know who my father is. I didn't know I couldn't put an opinion on a message board, I will run it by you next time I plan on making one (just expect a PM). I don't hate Sony, I own both a PSX and PS2, but the PS3 is suffering from the same condition the PSP had. Lack of games and way too much money for most people to invest in. If Sony really wants the PS3 to move then a price drop is not going to really help that much . What they really need now are games. I'm sure when MGS 4 and FFXIII hit the PS3 will start selling more. Of course this is my opinion and what the hell does a bastard like me know anyway? Ohh and defenitely the Jaguar over the Ncage, if anything just to play Fight for Life again.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I don't mind it too much. All I still play on the PS2 is the guitar hero games, and unless I missed news of an update the controllers won't work anyway, so if I got a PS3 I'd probably just sell the PS2 and those games and pick up GH3.[/quote]Wait the PS2 GH guitar doesn't work on the PS3!?!?!? fuck!
 
[quote name='FxhoundADAM']Wait the PS2 GH guitar doesn't work on the PS3!?!?!? fuck![/QUOTE]

Not unless I missed news of a recent firmware update that fixed the issue.
 
[quote name='FxhoundADAM']So based on that artical the new model would have a 40 GB harddrive, WiFi, but no card reader and only 2 USB ports (instead of the normal 4) and would cost $400.

Sounds like the model they should have released in the first place. Although the lack of the emotion engine really does suck.[/quote]

What does the card reader exactly do? I don't know if I need 80 GB, that is a hell of a lot.
 
[quote name='Blackout542']What does the card reader exactly do? I don't know if I need 80 GB, that is a hell of a lot.[/quote]It's just a typical flash card reader. You can slide in an SD, Compact Flash, Pro Duo card in and upload videos and pictures. Not really needed but some people like it.

I'd never use it though.
 
[quote name='FxhoundADAM']It's just a typical flash card reader. You can slide in an SD, Compact Flash, Pro Duo card in and upload videos and pictures. Not really needed but some people like it.

I'd never use it though.[/quote]

I'll still be able to get pics and vids from the PSN right?
 
[quote name='Thomas96']who ever wants a Wii can get one, because its affordable... whoever wants 360 can get one, cause its affordable.. I just want the PS3 to be affordable so that people who want one, can get one.[/QUOTE]

Thing is, there's not a whole lot of people who both want a PS3, and can't afford one. I've said this at least a hundred times since the PS3 first launched; the system could have launched for less than the cost of a Wii and it would probably still be in dead last.

The PS3 has a lot of problems, the price point being one of the smallest.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']Thing is, there's not a whole lot of people who both want a PS3, and can't afford one. I've said this at least a hundred times since the PS3 first launched; the system could have launched for less than the cost of a Wii and it would probably still be in dead last.

The PS3 has a lot of problems, the price point being one of the smallest.[/QUOTE]


I disagree. I'd have bought one at launch on name alone if it had been $300 or less. Just due to the PS1 and PS2 having the most games I enjoyed the past two generations.

But at $500-600, no way, but due to principle (games just not worth that to me regardless of budget) and having a fairly tight budget.

The principle point is very relevant. People don't have to "not be able to afford" something, to think it's overpriced and not worth the price. I'm sure there are plenty of people who could easily afford to drop $600 on a game console or anything else without much/any saving up. But that doesn't mean they won't pass as a game console isn't worth $600 to them.

It's like that with anything. I could afford to go to Guess or some other store and drop $100 on a pair of jeans. But it doesn't mean that I'm willing to drop the cash when I can pick up a fine looking pair at Old Navy or Kohls for $20. Similarly, why should I drop $550-600 on a PS3 when I could get another game machine for $250-$479, and all three have some games I want to play.

So, honestly, the issue of just not being willing to drop the $600 is probably more of a deterrent that outright not being able to afford one. $600 isn't a huge ton of money to save up for most people with real jobs and no crazy debts etc., but it is still just an absurd amount to even think of dropping on a game console for many people.


Now, sitting here a year later, price is still a huge barrier to me, but the $399 40GB is much more doable. So you're right that they do have other, arguably bigger problems moving forward now that prices are coming down Having very few exclusives that interest me is now just as big a kicker as the price (after the $399 drop comes around). $399 for a PS3 with it's blu ray player doesn't seem nearly as harsh a price to swallow. But not having many games that personally interst me, combined with the $399 tag is still keeping me away for the time being.

But I would still say a lot of the lacking games and other problems is a result of having such a high launch price, which led to such a slow sales start etc. etc. turned developers away, lost some exclusives etc. The ridiculous launch price was the first thing that really started their problems--well I guess the second after launching a year after the 360. It's just all snowballed from here.

Hopefully they can make a strong comeback, as competition is good for us all, so I really would like to see them compete strongly with at least MS, even if they can't catch up to the Wii.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']Thing is, there's not a whole lot of people who both want a PS3, and can't afford one. I've said this at least a hundred times since the PS3 first launched; the system could have launched for less than the cost of a Wii and it would probably still be in dead last.

The PS3 has a lot of problems, the price point being one of the smallest.[/quote]

OT, but I disagree. I don't consider myself to be representative of the mainstream demographic, but yes, I would've bought a PS3 day one if it were $300 or less. I can't believe that Joe Consumer would make price the least of their concerns when making a purchasing decision, particularly with something that is supposed to primarily play games and costs more than $500. The Wii had very little games of any substance at launch and it totally blew the PS3 away in sales. Both systems had some mainstream buzz, both had motion technology built into the controls. But the price of the Wii was less than half that of a PS3. If you were Joe Average and had to choose between the two for your son/daughter/niece/nephew/etc which would you choose?

Back on topic, I'm liking that we're seeing more and more info on this alleged cheaper PS3. If it's true, and I see no reason why it wouldn't be, it does make Kaz out to be a bald-faced liar about the single sku spin not too long ago, but I understand that Sony didn't originally plan it to be this way.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I disagree. I'd have bought one at launch on name alone if it had been $300 or less. Just due to the PS1 and PS2 having the most games I enjoyed the past two generations.

But at $500-600, no way, but due to principle (games just not worth that to me regardless of budget) and having a fairly tight budget.

The principle point is very relevant. People don't have to "not be able to afford" something, to think it's overpriced and not worth the price. I'm sure there are plenty of people who could easily afford to drop $600 on a game console or anything else without much/any saving up. But that doesn't mean they won't pass as a game console isn't worth $600 to them.

It's like that with anything. I could afford to go to Guess or some other store and drop $100 on a pair of jeans. But it doesn't mean that I'm willing to drop the cash when I can pick up a fine looking pair at Old Navy or Kohls for $20. Similarly, why should I drop $550-600 on a PS3 when I could get another game machine for $250-$479, and all three have some games I want to play.

So, honestly, the issue of just not being willing to drop the $600 is probably more of a deterrent that outright not being able to afford one. $600 isn't a huge ton of money to save up for most people with real jobs and no crazy debts etc., but it is still just an absurd amount to even think of dropping on a game console for many people.


Now, sitting here a year later, price is still a huge barrier to me, but the $399 40GB is much more doable. So you're right that they do have other, arguably bigger problems moving forward now that prices are coming down Having very few exclusives that interest me is now just as big a kicker as the price (after the $399 drop comes around). $399 for a PS3 with it's blu ray player doesn't seem nearly as harsh a price to swallow. But not having many games that personally interst me, combined with the $399 tag is still keeping me away for the time being.

But I would still say a lot of the lacking games and other problems is a result of having such a high launch price, which led to such a slow sales start etc. etc. turned developers away, lost some exclusives etc. The ridiculous launch price was the first thing that really started their problems--well I guess the second after launching a year after the 360. It's just all snowballed from here.

Hopefully they can make a strong comeback, as competition is good for us all, so I really would like to see them compete strongly with at least MS, even if they can't catch up to the Wii.[/quote]
spock.jpg


It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want.
--Spock

:lol:
 
[quote name='gunm']OT, but I disagree. I don't consider myself to be representative of the mainstream demographic, but yes, I would've bought a PS3 day one if it were $300 or less. .[/QUOTE]

Thinking on that more, you're probably right.

A large chunk of gamers are teens and young adults/college students. Many too old to beg mommy and daddy for a console, and yet probably not working enough to be able to afford a $600 console very easily. Not to mention a lot of parents probably wouldn't even think of buying their kids a $600 console (be it not being able to afford it, or just not wanting to spoil their kids that much).

For adults, most that want one could save up and buy it, aside from those around the poverty line with no expendable income period.

So they're really alienating a large chunk of the demographic, on top of losing those who just don't think it's worth $600 even though they can afford it.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']
It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want.
--Spock

:lol:
[/QUOTE]


:D

I want an HD next gen system for sure. Not totally decided on 360 vs. PS3 yet. If I was buying one today, it would be the 360 as it has a lot more games I want now.

But I may well not get one until 2008, as the DS and Wii should keep me busy until then. And tables may turn then if the PS3 has a price drop or two, and some mroe games that interest me pop up.

Blu ray helps as well, not really ready to make the jump now as disc prices are so high, but for $300-400 for a PS3, it does at least factor in as an added feature I'd start using at some point in time when disc prices fall.
 
[quote name='c_maz34']In all these discussions of which has the better games, price, etc. I would think 'works' would be a pretty big factor.

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/14663/Halo-3-Disc-Read-Error-Driving-Gamers-Mad-UPDATED-/[/QUOTE]

Huge factor. And a big reason why I haven't totally ruled out the PS3. Part of me would feel better just waiting for the PS3 (which seems much more reliable) to fall into my price range and have enough games to justify a purchase.

Failure rate on the 360 worries the shit out of me. The 3 year warranty helps, but that probably wouldn't cover disc read crap like this story as the warranty is just for the Red Ring of Death problem. Though that does sound like it may be a bad batch of Halo 3 discs, rather than another hardware problem.
 
Now as someone who liked my 360 and Halo and the games I played on it. I'm going all PS3 and only buying exclusives for my 360 now. I'll even wait for timed exclusives.

Why? Because my 360 all but died 1 day before Halo 3's release. The system went untouched for months, then I show my friend a demo and poof. Every game freezes in 3D scenes after 5-30 minutes, or at even more random intervals or events. It would have a ear shattering screeching noise over the speakers and overlay the frozen screen with block pixel noise. In desperation to join up with my friends in campaign co-op while it was still fresh and new, I used the towel trick, which basically gave me 1-4 hours of playtime before it froze. But by then they were already well past me.

PS3 may be more expensive and have fewer games right now, but you get what you pay for.
 
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