Anime and Manga Thread Vol. 1: Visions of a God

[quote name='Friend of Sonic']Hey, I picked up the Noir series for under 20 bucks. Is it any good? The few reviews I skimmed through seem to be in high favor of it. I may pop that in next if that's the case.[/QUOTE]

Noir is (like most Bee-Train shows) extremely dry, and often very boring. The only saving grace is its spectacular soundtrack, which *almost* makes up for its numerous flaws.
 
[quote name='Chibi_Kaji']I enjoyed the first ep of Gundam Unicorn. The animation and music were great. I'm just annoyed that the 2nd ep is coming out in the fall... It ended just as the Gundam was about to fight. Still the only thing I can complain about are the extras. I'm not really sure why they had to use BD Live for some trailers[/QUOTE]

It was a good first episode setting up the series. It's starting off better than the past few Gundam series. The ending annoyed me too, but the battle will probably be the first thing in the 2nd episode. Hopefully the part at the beginning will be fleshed out more in the coming episodes(since it's a little puzzling).

I'm glad that they went back to the UC timeline had me looking forward, since it goes back to mobile suits from previous series. One thing I'm not sure about, but judging from the manga, the ship near the end is ZZ's Nahel Argama. Weird that they're bringing that back(and how are they going to explain that in the english dub, when ZZ has no NA release?)
 
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[quote name='PrarieD0G']He meant like the retail version/packaging :p. (he's a good boy; doesn't download anything). He got the deluxe box set, wouldn't you know.. Hehehe.
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Ah, I didn't realize there was more than one release.
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']Noir is (like most Bee-Train shows) extremely dry, and often very boring. The only saving grace is its spectacular soundtrack, which *almost* makes up for its numerous flaws.[/QUOTE]
I tried NOIR because I liked Kajiura and .hack//SIGN, but I gave up on it about half way. Should've just bought the soundtrack instead.
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']Noir is (like most Bee-Train shows) extremely dry, and often very boring. The only saving grace is its spectacular soundtrack, which *almost* makes up for its numerous flaws.[/QUOTE]
Eh... ah well. I am a fan of good soundtracks so I should be good with sitting through it. Just won't be a priority now. Thanks Kirin.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']It was a good first episode setting up the series. It's starting better off than the past few Gundam series. The ending annoyed me too, but the battle will probably be the first thing in the 2nd episode. Hopefully the part at the beginning will be fleshed out more in the coming episodes(since it's a little puzzling).[/QUOTE]
Well the beginning of the ep seemd to be a flashback to UC 0001. So I'm sure it has something to do with the "Laplace box".

As for the Nahel Argama, They really don't need to explain anything about it.
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']Noir is (like most Bee-Train shows) extremely dry, and often very boring. The only saving grace is its spectacular soundtrack, which *almost* makes up for its numerous flaws.[/QUOTE]

QFT.

Noir is like "people staring at each other": The Show.
I kept wondering if anything was going to happen and eventually I just gave up on it.
 
I finished watching Maria Holic last week. It was a lot of fun, and I thought it was pretty good overall. My favorite aspects of Maria Holic are its uses of color, contrast, and angles. Maria Holic is amazingly stylish — this also holds true for a lot of SHAFT's other shows. It may use a lot of still-shots, but Maria Holic makes up for it with its style. The opening and ending of Maria Holic are good examples of the show's style; I recommend watching them even if you aren't interested in the show. Another reason that I enjoyed the show is that it's entirely illogical and insane; the show has plenty of hilarious moments because of that.

I finished watching Moribito last night. Moribito is an adaption of the first novel in a series by Nahoko Uehashi, and it was produced by Production I.G. I was expecting to enjoy Moribito as much as Erin The Beast Player — Erin is also adapted from a novel by the same author, and it was produced by Production I.G. as well — but unfortunately I did not. However, Moribito was still a brilliant show. The story's writing was exceptional, and the story progressed in ways that were unpredictable and refreshing. The characters were also fantastic. I love strong female leads, and Balsa did not disappoint. Madame Torogai, Tanda, and Chagum were amazing as well.

Even though Moribito is a TV series, it has some of the best fight scenes and animation that I have ever seen. There's one particular fight between Jiguro and another spear wielder that was absolutely stunning. Also, the score by Kenji Kawai is a masterpiece. Balsa's theme, the Nahji song, and all of their variations were my favorite pieces; there are a lot of other pieces that I loved as well, but I don't know their names. The music is quite powerful, and it complemented every aspect of the show, such as bringing out the emotion during some scenes.
 
Soul Eater Part 2 arrived today... I'll probably start watching it tonight (so excited!).

Other than that I've been watching Ah My Goddess, Dragon Ball season 1, about to finish School Rumble season 2 (and then start Lucky Star again), and Justice League season 1. And I received Eva 1.11 last week so I'll have to find some time to watch that.
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']hmm i have mixed feelings 4 eps in to jubei-chan. i'll keep going and see if i can get into it.[/QUOTE]

I also had mixed feelings after the first four episodes, but the show got a lot better as it progressed, and I ended up enjoying it a lot.


*Reads the lastest article on ANN*

Clannad, Blue Drop, Ghost Hound, Tears to Tiara Get Dubs


*Head explodes*
 
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[quote name='Chibi_Kaji']Sounds like a great way for the company to lose money again.[/QUOTE]

It sounds like this is an experiment. If they don't make a profit from this, then I doubt they will produce anymore English dubs.

I'm very interested in what this upgrade program entails; I own all of those releases except for the Fist of the North Star show. You know, since I am insane, I might just outright re-buy Clannad if it means that After Story has a better chance of being dubbed in English. I really want to support their decision; an English dub for Maria Holic could be awesome.
 
The only thing I care about is Blue Drop. But I'll probably just get the sub only release instead of waiting for the dub(Since I'll probably watch it subbed anyway).
 
[quote name='razzuel']if they don't make a profit from this, then i doubt they will produce anymore english dubs.
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i jizzed in my pants
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']that's just my reaction to anyone stopping the production of english dubs anywhere.[/QUOTE]
So, you don't like English dubs?

I'll definitely pick up the English dub of Clannad. I don't watch any anime subbed cause I like to keep my eyes focused on the art rather than reading.
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']that's just my reaction to anyone stopping the production of english dubs anywhere.[/QUOTE]

You don't even watch shows in English, so why would you have an orgasm if English dubs were not being produced?
 
[quote name='Razzuel']You don't even watch shows in English, so why would you have an orgasm if English dubs were not being produced?[/QUOTE]
Because they're a waste of time.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Because they're a waste of time.[/QUOTE]

Well, it helps not to have innate hatred for English dubs, and they're not a waste of time — there are advantages to watching media in your native language, and it's not like English dubs are poorly produced on a regular basis. There are plenty of English dubs that are as good as — or better than — their Japanese counterparts. Also, English dubs are beneficial to the anime industry here in North America.
 
I don't have an "innate hatred" for dubs, but I don't watch them. I don't mind if they're made, but it's better if they aren't. It takes time and money to produce a dub. Without dubbing an anime, one should be able to buy them more cheaply and in a shorter time frame from the original Japanese release.
 
[quote name='Razzuel']Well, it helps not to have innate hatred for English dubs,[/QUOTE]

helps in which way?

and they're not a waste of time
they are when you'd rather just have subs

— there are advantages to watching media in your native language,
none that i've ever seen. i'd say that there are advantages to watching things in their native language. we don't accept dubs of movies, so why anime?

and it's not like English dubs are poorly produced on a regular basis.
wrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrong
There are plenty of English dubs that are as good as — or better than — their Japanese counterparts.
lolwut? maybe shows that are exclusively about singing english language songs would be better in english...but that's about it. in general they are horrifically bad.

Also, English dubs are beneficial to the anime industry here in North America.
which can't die fast enough really. the dub industry brought in more cruddy fans than good ones.
 
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[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']which can't die fast enough really. the dub industry brought in more cruddy fans than good ones.[/QUOTE]
What's a cruddy anime fan?
 
[quote name='lilman']What's a cruddy anime fan?[/QUOTE]

i'm just gonna recognize this as the flamewar it is, and stop here.
go to an anime con and figure out if you can tell who is who.
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']i'm just gonna recognize this as the flamewar it is, and stop here.
go to an anime con and figure out if you can tell who is who.[/QUOTE]
Oh I didn't want to start a flamewar, I was asking a serious question. Pretty much none of my friends are into anime so I guess I don't that much about the culture (beyond the glimpses I've seen in anime like Genshiken and Comic Party). What's a cruddy anime fan?
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']I don't have an "innate hatred" for dubs, but I don't watch them. I don't mind if they're made, but it's better if they aren't. It takes time and money to produce a dub. Without dubbing an anime, one should be able to buy them more cheaply and in a shorter time frame from the original Japanese release.[/QUOTE]

That wasn't directed towards you. You're right that releases that only contain Japanese audio should be cheaper than their bilingual counterparts, and they generally are cheaper, but language options aren't the only factor in price. Also, maybe they should be released faster, but I don't think an English dub is the only factor that determines the time between North American and Japanese releases.

This is a difficult matter to argue because there are people who only want Japanese audio, people who only want English audio, people who want both language options, and there are people who don't care either way. Even though it may be annoying to the people who only want the Japanese audio, bilingual releases provide the most options and they have the widest reach among consumers.

[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']helps in which way?[/QUOTE]

I meant that if you didn't have an innate hatred for English dubs, then you probably wouldn't despise them so much.

they are when you'd rather just have subs
That's fine if you don't want to watch these shows in English, but these companies are trying to appeal to as wide of an audience as possible, and an English dub greatly helps with that. It's unfortunate that you would have to buy a show with English audio when you don't even want it, but it's not as simple of a matter as stopping the production of English dubs. Also, I have to ask: do you even purchase the anime you watch?

none that i've ever seen. i'd say that there are advantages to watching things in their native language. we don't accept dubs of movies, so why anime?
Actually, there are advantages to watching anime in your native language, and lilman brought up a valid point earlier — he said, "I don't watch any anime subbed cause I like to keep my eyes focused on the art rather than reading." You have to split your attention between the subtitles and the show happening on-screen if you watch it in Japanese. It becomes especially problematic when there are a lot of notes on-screen; I had to pause Maria Holic a couple times to be able to read the subtitle notes, which was frustrating. Also, I don't like it when the subtitles have to explain a Japanese pun; I'd much rather have subtitles like the subtitles in Kannagi where the puns were naturally presented in English.

Actually, there's a big difference between live-action films and anime. Live-action films use real people, and the difference between seeing a real person's mouth articulating and an animated character's mouth articulating is extremely obvious. Also, animated characters are exaggerated depictions of humans with no apparent nationality, therefore it's much more different seeing real people in a film that's dubbed in a language that's clearly not their native language.

wrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrong
Can you provide some recent examples of poorly produced English dubs?

lolwut? maybe shows that are exclusively about singing english language songs would be better in english...but that's about it. in general they are horrifically bad.
No, there are plenty of good English dubs; Cowboy Bebop, Fullmetal Alchemist, Baccano, Full Metal Panic, Kurau Phantom Memory, Mushi-shi, Moribito, and the list goes on.

which can't die fast enough really. the dub industry brought in more cruddy fans than good ones.
Both types of fans have their own share of morons. There's nothing inherently bad about a fan that only enjoys English audio, nor is there anything inherently bad about a fan that only enjoys Japanese audio. A problem only arises when someone becomes offensive, absurd, and/or irrational.
 
[quote name='lilman'] What's a cruddy anime fan?[/QUOTE]

In my experience, they tend to be the people who started to think anime was, like, totally cool because they saw Naruto on Cartoon Network.

When I first started going to cons, the majority of the people that were there were older, and a lot of the younger people there had parents who were also into anime. During my last few cons, it was a bunch of kids dragging their parents to things they didn't understand. So, I stopped going to cons in 2007.

[quote name='Razzuel']That wasn't directed towards you.[/QUOTE]

I know. I just wanted to chime in with my thoughts.
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']the dub industry brought in more cruddy fans than good ones.[/QUOTE]

I'm not so sure about that - your attitude represents the cruddiest of all anime fans.
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']I'm not so sure about that - your attitude represents the cruddiest of all anime fans.[/QUOTE]

lol this from the rudest, personal attackingest, harshest critic in the forum.
i'm not very arrogant about what i watch and don't hate things just because they're popular. i have watched shows recommended by every major poster on this forum (like monster and princess tutu from you).

i just really have no love for dubs or the american companies behind them.
their death would benefit me as their existence negatively impacted me.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']In my experience, they tend to be the people who started to think anime was, like, totally cool because they saw Naruto on Cartoon Network.

When I first started going to cons, the majority of the people that were there were older, and a lot of the younger people there had parents who were also into anime. During my last few cons, it was a bunch of kids dragging their parents to things they didn't understand. So, I stopped going to cons in 2007.

I know. I just wanted to chime in with my thoughts.[/QUOTE]
So from what you're saying, a cruddy anime fan is one that just likes mainstream anime, or likes only one anime series?
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']their death would benefit me as their existence negatively impacted me.[/QUOTE]

Could you elaborate, please?
 
[quote name='lilman']So from what you're saying, a cruddy anime fan is one that just likes mainstream anime, or likes only one anime series?[/QUOTE]
They're also young, like 12-15. I guess they aren't really cruddy anime fans as much as they're cruddy human beings.
 
[quote name='Razzuel']Could you elaborate, please?[/QUOTE]

i could go on and on but i'll give just one single incident.
i was at a con that was going to premiere a big movie.
then all of a sudden the ADV gestapo showed up with legal papers and canceled the movie in front of all of us (a couple hundred people). they hadn't even released the movie yet but they just wanted to make sure those of us gathered weren't going to enjoy it for free.
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']i could go on and on but i'll give just one single incident.
i was at a con that was going to premiere a big movie.
then all of a sudden the ADV gestapo showed up with legal papers and canceled the movie in front of all of us (a couple hundred people). they hadn't even released the movie yet but they just wanted to make sure those of us gathered weren't going to enjoy it for free.[/QUOTE]

I don't see any problems with ADV's actions in your story. It is illegal to show a movie in public unless the venue in which the movie is being shown has permission from the movie's copyright holders. Based off of what you are saying, the convention should of contacted ADV to be granted permission to premiere the movie. There's nothing wrong with ADV wanting to protect its assets.
 
[quote name='Razzuel']I don't see any problems with ADV's actions in your story. It is illegal to show a movie in public unless the venue in which the movie is being shown has permission from the movie's copyright holders. Based off of what you are saying, the convention should of contacted ADV to be granted permission to premiere the movie. There's nothing wrong with ADV wanting to protect its assets.[/QUOTE]
I think the problem is that the license probably didn't exist when the movie showing was first announced or ADV simply didn't announce it yet. So, there was no reason to contact ADV beforehand as far as the people running the con were aware of.
 
Finished School Rumble last night... one of my favorite comedy animes. Next up, Lucky Star.

Out of curiosity, am I the only one who likes rewatching anime series? I have seen School Rumble at least 8 times by now, and many of the other shows I'm watching now I've seen before (including Lucky Star). They are just so damn good that I don't mind seeing them again even though I know the overall plot. Plus, I usually watch anime at night when I'm trying to wind down, and if I start watching a new anime series I get too engrossed and it keeps me awake longer.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']They're also young, like 12-15. I guess they aren't really cruddy anime fans as much as they're cruddy human beings.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you just don't like kids (and I'm with you 100% on that :)). Kids think like kids and act like kids, I don't know if it's fair to call kids who like anime cruddy anime fans.

I guess not including kids I still don't know what a cruddy anime fan is. I figure as long as you like anime in some form there is no difference among anime fans. Oh well, I'll give the topic up. Thanks for your input guys.
 
[quote name='ChibiJosh']I think the problem is that the license probably didn't exist when the movie showing was first announced or ADV simply didn't announce it yet. So, there was no reason to contact ADV beforehand as far as the people running the con were aware of.[/QUOTE]

ADV must have had the license if they were able to stop the convention from premiering it, and even if the convention didn't know ADV had the license, they still had no right premiering the movie, because at that point the convention would need to be granted permission from the copyright holders in Japan.

[quote name='lilman']Out of curiosity, am I the only one who likes rewatching anime series?[/QUOTE]

I'm only going to start re-watching a series when I don't have anything in my collection that's unwatched. Hmm, that may be a long while from now; my collection is always growing faster than the rate at which I watch shows from my collection.
 
i don't believe copyrights are international, hence the legality of fansubs.
either way there was no reason for ADV to cockblock a couple hundred people from having a fun time. then, as they increased their presence, cons had to drop fansubs from the viewing rooms all together. gah...i'm getting sucked into this rant again.

in other news i'm still working on jubei-chan, but i've been distracted by reading christopher moore novels.
 
[quote name='Razzuel']I'm only going to start re-watching a series when I don't have anything in my collection that's unwatched. Hmm, that may be a long while from now; my collection is always growing faster than the rate at which I watch shows from my collection.[/QUOTE]
If you don't mind me asking, why do you buy so much anime if you don't rewatch it? Could you rent it instead?
 
[quote name='lilman']If you don't mind me asking, why do you buy so much anime if you don't rewatch it? Could you rent it instead?[/QUOTE]
Because he wants to watch it in the first place? I like owning stuff, so if I want to see something I buy it. If you have the money, then why not?
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Because he wants to watch it in the first place? I like owning stuff, so if I want to see something I buy it. If you have the money, then why not?[/QUOTE]
If you just want to watch it once then you can rent it and save some money. I usually rent a series first to see if I like it. I only buy if I want to see it more than once (and since I usually like the anime I see and want to rewatch it, I almost always end up buying it).

If you have the money, anime is a good thing to spend it on :)
 
i never rewatch anime, movies, or replay old games for the most part. once the "surprise" is ruined, its just never the same for me.
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']i don't believe copyrights are international, hence the legality of fansubs.
either way there was no reason for ADV to cockblock a couple hundred people from having a fun time. then, as they increased their presence, cons had to drop fansubs from the viewing rooms all together. gah...i'm getting sucked into this rant again. [/QUOTE]

No, there are international copyright laws, and these laws were set forth by the Berne Convention, and according to the Berne convention, fansubs are illegal.

[quote name='lilman']If you don't mind me asking, why do you buy so much anime if you don't rewatch it? Could you rent it instead?[/QUOTE]

I do plan on re-watching a lot of what I own, but I don't think it's smart to re-watch a series when I have a pile of unwatched series to watch. Also, I treat my collection like a library; I like being able to choose from a multitude of different series whenever I am looking for something new to watch.
 
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