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Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Brock won that fight. His opponent is ok but nothing special. Plus I think they probably want to feed Brock a few guys before he fights someone that's any good...that is, if they are not 
ing retarded.
That's the nice thing about MMA though, Brock could be "supposed" to win this and then get his head knocked off in 20 seconds.
BP = best joke of thread
ing retarded.That's the nice thing about MMA though, Brock could be "supposed" to win this and then get his head knocked off in 20 seconds.
BP = best joke of thread
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[quote name='KaneRobot']BP = best joke of thread[/QUOTE]
*whew* 'slong as someone other than me gets it, I'm good.
TNA was off and on tonight - the LAX/3D match was great fun, even if I was cheering for LAX (they're the best thing going for tag wrestling inin' years). The match came off well, the sound of the belts hitting the guys was instense, and the match well performed by all (even that fat prick Bubba Ray). That said, the Sopranos guy spent all this time talking about "standing by family" in a promo, yet didn't do a in' thing or hit a single person. When the lumberjacks were brawling, he stood on the ramp and opened his fat mouth (presumably to yawn).
Ironically enough, wasn't his Sopranos character named "Big Pussy"? :lol:
The Steiner/Angle interview was good and rather intense. For two guys with virtually no history together, they've done a thorough and logical job having them feud. Angle's all about respect and competition, and Steiner's mad that he "lost his spot" due to Angle. Kudos; it also helped establish the "Christian Coalition" as a solid heel faction.
That said, I'm still waiting for some wrestling. VKM? No thanks, that's not wrestling. I can't even recall the last time they had a *real* X-Division match period, much less as the "main event" (which lacked even intros - which aing contract signing segment had - to show you the level of respect for these guys). Russo is killing the division and reputation that grew immensely because of Samoa Joe, and the division and evidence people pointed to when they explained why they prefer TNA to WWE. They point at AJ Styles and Daniels, or Joe, or Sabin, and say "THIS is wrestling." Now they get a five minute cluster that ended before it started. Good god.
STOP the ending montage. Why should I watch the show when you're handing me the cliffs' notes at the end?
Fire Ron Killings.
The AJ/Rhino promo was intense. I was watching them stand on the scaffold and thought "gooding GAWD that looks dangerous!" I suppose that's supposed to be my incentive for wanting to order the PPV. However, scaffold matches have two truisms about them:
1) they all suck
2) someone always gets hurt
I hope they pull it off, because it looks dangerous as hell; but I don't want to watch it. I don't care for it at all.
Sting/Abyss? I hit fast forward quicker than when commercials were on.
This is like "Baby Einstein Presents WWE" anymore. Where'd theing wrestling go to?
*whew* 'slong as someone other than me gets it, I'm good.
TNA was off and on tonight - the LAX/3D match was great fun, even if I was cheering for LAX (they're the best thing going for tag wrestling in
in' years). The match came off well, the sound of the belts hitting the guys was instense, and the match well performed by all (even that fat prick Bubba Ray). That said, the Sopranos guy spent all this time talking about "standing by family" in a promo, yet didn't do a in' thing or hit a single person. When the lumberjacks were brawling, he stood on the ramp and opened his fat mouth (presumably to yawn).Ironically enough, wasn't his Sopranos character named "Big Pussy"? :lol:
The Steiner/Angle interview was good and rather intense. For two guys with virtually no history together, they've done a thorough and logical job having them feud. Angle's all about respect and competition, and Steiner's mad that he "lost his spot" due to Angle. Kudos; it also helped establish the "Christian Coalition" as a solid heel faction.
That said, I'm still waiting for some wrestling. VKM? No thanks, that's not wrestling. I can't even recall the last time they had a *real* X-Division match period, much less as the "main event" (which lacked even intros - which a
ing contract signing segment had - to show you the level of respect for these guys). Russo is killing the division and reputation that grew immensely because of Samoa Joe, and the division and evidence people pointed to when they explained why they prefer TNA to WWE. They point at AJ Styles and Daniels, or Joe, or Sabin, and say "THIS is wrestling." Now they get a five minute cluster that ended before it started. Good god.STOP the ending montage. Why should I watch the show when you're handing me the cliffs' notes at the end?
Fire Ron Killings.
The AJ/Rhino promo was intense. I was watching them stand on the scaffold and thought "good
ing GAWD that looks dangerous!" I suppose that's supposed to be my incentive for wanting to order the PPV. However, scaffold matches have two truisms about them:1) they all suck
2) someone always gets hurt
I hope they pull it off, because it looks dangerous as hell; but I don't want to watch it. I don't care for it at all.
Sting/Abyss? I hit fast forward quicker than when commercials were on.
This is like "Baby Einstein Presents WWE" anymore. Where'd the
ing wrestling go to?
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When you made that joke all I could think about was his theme song.
[quote name='neocisco']I just saw the King Bookah movie review from Smackdown last week and...
No matter what kind of angle he does Booker always gives it his all to sell it. I'm going to have find some of the old Booker/Goldust skits, especially the Star Wars one.[/quote]
Not exactly what you were looking for, but funny nonetheless!
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7fcpPR4bFA[/media]
No matter what kind of angle he does Booker always gives it his all to sell it. I'm going to have find some of the old Booker/Goldust skits, especially the Star Wars one.[/quote]
Not exactly what you were looking for, but funny nonetheless!
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7fcpPR4bFA[/media]
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[quote name='2Fast']Not exactly what you were looking for, but funny nonetheless!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7fcpPR4bFA[/quote]
By far the best Goldust/Booker sketch.
Those two had AMAZING chemistry I was very upset when the WWE broke those two up. I think re-uniting them during Goldust's last run with the WWE would've been great. Goldust could've pretended to join the King Booker's Royal Court as the jester. Then depending on what WWE wanted to do, they could've kept Goldust in there to turn Booker T face, or had King Booker and his Court give Goldie a severe beat down, furthering the heel King Booker charachter. Goldust could've even dropped the the "gay" gimmick and joined the Royal Court as Dustin Rhodes. Hell WWE could've even ran some stupid angle where they claimed to have beat Goldust straight, very un-pc, but just the kind of thing McMahon goes for. Alas, WWE creative hated Dustin Rhodes for some reason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7fcpPR4bFA[/quote]
By far the best Goldust/Booker sketch.
Those two had AMAZING chemistry I was very upset when the WWE broke those two up. I think re-uniting them during Goldust's last run with the WWE would've been great. Goldust could've pretended to join the King Booker's Royal Court as the jester. Then depending on what WWE wanted to do, they could've kept Goldust in there to turn Booker T face, or had King Booker and his Court give Goldie a severe beat down, furthering the heel King Booker charachter. Goldust could've even dropped the the "gay" gimmick and joined the Royal Court as Dustin Rhodes. Hell WWE could've even ran some stupid angle where they claimed to have beat Goldust straight, very un-pc, but just the kind of thing McMahon goes for. Alas, WWE creative hated Dustin Rhodes for some reason.
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[quote name='mykevermin']*whew* 'slong as someone other than me gets it, I'm good.
TNA was off and on tonight - the LAX/3D match was great fun, even if I was cheering for LAX (they're the best thing going for tag wrestling inin' years). The match came off well, the sound of the belts hitting the guys was instense, and the match well performed by all (even that fat prick Bubba Ray). That said, the Sopranos guy spent all this time talking about "standing by family" in a promo, yet didn't do a in' thing or hit a single person. When the lumberjacks were brawling, he stood on the ramp and opened his fat mouth (presumably to yawn).
Ironically enough, wasn't his Sopranos character named "Big Pussy"? :lol:
The Steiner/Angle interview was good and rather intense. For two guys with virtually no history together, they've done a thorough and logical job having them feud. Angle's all about respect and competition, and Steiner's mad that he "lost his spot" due to Angle. Kudos; it also helped establish the "Christian Coalition" as a solid heel faction.
That said, I'm still waiting for some wrestling. VKM? No thanks, that's not wrestling. I can't even recall the last time they had a *real* X-Division match period, much less as the "main event" (which lacked even intros - which aing contract signing segment had - to show you the level of respect for these guys). Russo is killing the division and reputation that grew immensely because of Samoa Joe, and the division and evidence people pointed to when they explained why they prefer TNA to WWE. They point at AJ Styles and Daniels, or Joe, or Sabin, and say "THIS is wrestling." Now they get a five minute cluster that ended before it started. Good god.
STOP the ending montage. Why should I watch the show when you're handing me the cliffs' notes at the end?
Fire Ron Killings.
The AJ/Rhino promo was intense. I was watching them stand on the scaffold and thought "gooding GAWD that looks dangerous!" I suppose that's supposed to be my incentive for wanting to order the PPV. However, scaffold matches have two truisms about them:
1) they all suck
2) someone always gets hurt
I hope they pull it off, because it looks dangerous as hell; but I don't want to watch it. I don't care for it at all.
Sting/Abyss? I hit fast forward quicker than when commercials were on.
This is like "Baby Einstein Presents WWE" anymore. Where'd theing wrestling go to?[/quote]
You've pretty much hit the nail on the head. I actually wrote one of these a couple weeks ago to post here, but my browser froze. Again I agree with all your points and it's really sad and pathetic the directiont hat TNA has gone in. I miss the X Division and the characters we had in AJ, Sabin, etc. and those sick ass moves. I swear myke, you must have read my post because I used the exact wording of TNA being hit or miss for months now. In comparison to WWE, WWE has actually managed to begin to dig itself out of its hole and has actually gotten better, almost to the point of being good again.
And I guess I'm going to have to substitute my X Division (the truest thing we've had to classic ECW in years) with this WSX on MTV which isn't bad actually. Somewhat gimmicky with all the ring items, but what wrestling isn't? And at least the moves are nice to watch.
TNA was off and on tonight - the LAX/3D match was great fun, even if I was cheering for LAX (they're the best thing going for tag wrestling in
in' years). The match came off well, the sound of the belts hitting the guys was instense, and the match well performed by all (even that fat prick Bubba Ray). That said, the Sopranos guy spent all this time talking about "standing by family" in a promo, yet didn't do a in' thing or hit a single person. When the lumberjacks were brawling, he stood on the ramp and opened his fat mouth (presumably to yawn).Ironically enough, wasn't his Sopranos character named "Big Pussy"? :lol:
The Steiner/Angle interview was good and rather intense. For two guys with virtually no history together, they've done a thorough and logical job having them feud. Angle's all about respect and competition, and Steiner's mad that he "lost his spot" due to Angle. Kudos; it also helped establish the "Christian Coalition" as a solid heel faction.
That said, I'm still waiting for some wrestling. VKM? No thanks, that's not wrestling. I can't even recall the last time they had a *real* X-Division match period, much less as the "main event" (which lacked even intros - which a
ing contract signing segment had - to show you the level of respect for these guys). Russo is killing the division and reputation that grew immensely because of Samoa Joe, and the division and evidence people pointed to when they explained why they prefer TNA to WWE. They point at AJ Styles and Daniels, or Joe, or Sabin, and say "THIS is wrestling." Now they get a five minute cluster that ended before it started. Good god.STOP the ending montage. Why should I watch the show when you're handing me the cliffs' notes at the end?
Fire Ron Killings.
The AJ/Rhino promo was intense. I was watching them stand on the scaffold and thought "good
ing GAWD that looks dangerous!" I suppose that's supposed to be my incentive for wanting to order the PPV. However, scaffold matches have two truisms about them:1) they all suck
2) someone always gets hurt
I hope they pull it off, because it looks dangerous as hell; but I don't want to watch it. I don't care for it at all.
Sting/Abyss? I hit fast forward quicker than when commercials were on.
This is like "Baby Einstein Presents WWE" anymore. Where'd the
ing wrestling go to?[/quote]You've pretty much hit the nail on the head. I actually wrote one of these a couple weeks ago to post here, but my browser froze. Again I agree with all your points and it's really sad and pathetic the directiont hat TNA has gone in. I miss the X Division and the characters we had in AJ, Sabin, etc. and those sick ass moves. I swear myke, you must have read my post because I used the exact wording of TNA being hit or miss for months now. In comparison to WWE, WWE has actually managed to begin to dig itself out of its hole and has actually gotten better, almost to the point of being good again.
And I guess I'm going to have to substitute my X Division (the truest thing we've had to classic ECW in years) with this WSX on MTV which isn't bad actually. Somewhat gimmicky with all the ring items, but what wrestling isn't? And at least the moves are nice to watch.
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TNA needs more tag teams for one reason:
I can't stand The Dudley Boyz as a babyface tag team.
Hopefully they're rejuvenate the X-Division when they redebut Christopher Daniels' new "gimmick", or calling, whatever you want to call it.
The main even was really awkward, but I enjoyed pretty much everything else.
I don't understand the Ron Killings shit, VKM needs to be launched off of the globe.
Strangely - and keep in mind I don't like corny wrestling storyline - I've liked the Abyss / Sting feud. I don't know if I'll like what's bound to happen...
I can't stand The Dudley Boyz as a babyface tag team.
Hopefully they're rejuvenate the X-Division when they redebut Christopher Daniels' new "gimmick", or calling, whatever you want to call it.
The main even was really awkward, but I enjoyed pretty much everything else.
I don't understand the Ron Killings shit, VKM needs to be launched off of the globe.
Strangely - and keep in mind I don't like corny wrestling storyline - I've liked the Abyss / Sting feud. I don't know if I'll like what's bound to happen...
When Mitchell returns, he'll be toting a new wrestler in Abyss' place, whom which he'll feud with as a babyface. But will this be at the expense of Sting freeing Abyss' soul? I hope not.
At least they're not going to ditch the mask.
At least they're not going to ditch the mask.
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I know you were all wondering what Tajiri was doing... as well as what Japanese hero, Hard Gay was up to these days:
[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=A-pBT9Iksts[/media]
[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=A-pBT9Iksts[/media]
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']I know you were all wondering what Tajiri was doing... as well as what Japanese hero, Hard Gay was up to these days:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=A-pBT9Iksts[/QUOTE]
I heard Hard Gay isn't doing wrestling anymore. I know Tajiri shuffles around the Japan scene. Just a couple months ago he wrestled the Great Muta in All-Japan, pretty good match.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=A-pBT9Iksts[/QUOTE]
I heard Hard Gay isn't doing wrestling anymore. I know Tajiri shuffles around the Japan scene. Just a couple months ago he wrestled the Great Muta in All-Japan, pretty good match.
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[quote name='KaneRobot']ECW's ratings are down to TNA-on-a-good-night levels. Way to go![/QUOTE]
$10 on HBK, Cena, or McMahon showing up there next week then. 'cuz it's not the lousy wrestling, the boring characters, the complete void of anything resembling "extreme" on the show, or the nitro girl bullshit that's making it suck...it's the lack of that McMahon style punch!
$10 on HBK, Cena, or McMahon showing up there next week then. 'cuz it's not the lousy wrestling, the boring characters, the complete void of anything resembling "extreme" on the show, or the nitro girl bullshit that's making it suck...it's the lack of that McMahon style punch!
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[quote name='vrs1650']Maybe after WM, they will kill off ECW and the brand split. Then we may get some good crap out of WWE.
Here's an idea,
The Rock could wake up Vince backstage and blow the past three years off as a bad dream, and then we can start fresh.[/QUOTE]
Very "Dallas" of you to think that.
Here's an idea,
The Rock could wake up Vince backstage and blow the past three years off as a bad dream, and then we can start fresh.[/QUOTE]
Very "Dallas" of you to think that.
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[quote name='mykevermin']Very "Dallas" of you to think that.[/QUOTE]
Except the difference is that the "Dallas" reboot killed many of the great ongoing storylines that they built. There is not very much killed with a WWE reboot at this point that I would be that worried about. If anything The Rock could easily help elevate people like Carlito. And that my friends... is cool.
Except the difference is that the "Dallas" reboot killed many of the great ongoing storylines that they built. There is not very much killed with a WWE reboot at this point that I would be that worried about. If anything The Rock could easily help elevate people like Carlito. And that my friends... is cool.
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Tajiri and MUTA just teamed up about a week ago to face Gold Dustin and Hakushi in All Japan. HG has retired from wrestling in HUSTLE, which might be sold by DSE, as they want to focus all of their attention on PRIDE. I thought Impact started off strong, but slowly got worse, and then culminated in a match that was far too short on a show with lots of wasted time (like the Nash-Lethal skit). The Steiner-Angle thing was great, and I loved Cornette's speech before the signing. I also got a laugh out of the giant red table they used for it, and the even larger red TNA logo on it. The Elevation X stuff at the beginning was decent, although they really need Cornette to do a speech on the dangers of the scaffold match. He was involved in one, he was destroyed by one, and he's in TNA - there is absolutely no reason this shouldn't be done.
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[quote name='KaneRobot']ECW's ratings are down to TNA-on-a-good-night levels. Way to go![/quote]
I don't mind ECW and I like that they're back, but what the - there's nothing extreme about it. It's such a waste. That WSX on MTV is more "extreme" and a lot more satisfying to watch the ECW has become. It's such a shame too since I used to love Sabu and the rest, but I guess at least I have the memories. McMahon should leave ECW alone and let it get back to its roots and he could have a ratings blockbuster.
[quote name='vrs1650']Maybe after WM, they will kill off ECW and the brand split. Then we may get some good crap out of WWE.
Here's an idea,
The Rock could wake up Vince backstage and blow the past three years off as a bad dream, and then we can start fresh.[/quote]
in' hell do I miss the Rock and the Rock 'n' Sock Connection. This would be his second return from retirement/being away from wrestling if I'm not mistaken, but I'm sure he still has it and won't turn MJ on us. Hell Hulk managed to do it how many times. But let's return to the greats and the wrestlers of old who entertained us and think about what they're doing now:
Shawn Michaels (HBK) - Still Kicks Ass
Undertaker - Caning do anything at this point. Still one of the few good ones left
Edge/Christian - Should stick to tag teams. They don't have the Chris Jericho in them to pull off mega star/headliner level matches and frankly aren't that interesting.
Kane - let's forget he pulled off the mask and put it back on.
Steve Austin - McMahon screwed up that relationship on us.
Triple H - What was once good is old and played out. Boring
Mick Foley and his various aliases - WWE should stoping with him and stop making him into a heel/bad guy. The only heel he's ever played that he was good at was Mankind, but otherwise Mick Foley, himself, as a heel should not happen again. He's a good guy and a fan favorite and they should leave him that way.
Now let's look at the current roster:
Randy Orton - no. I just want the Rock to come in and call him a roody pooh candy ass and be done with that idiot. He can't wrestle and his character isn't interesting.
Batista -meh
John Cena - I like him. He's good and he's great to watch. But I feel that WWE holds him back for some reason. he could really explode for them if truly given the chance to shine and make himself into a character.
RVD - was great and should still be, but isn't used properly in WWE or ECW
I don't mind ECW and I like that they're back, but what the
- there's nothing extreme about it. It's such a waste. That WSX on MTV is more "extreme" and a lot more satisfying to watch the ECW has become. It's such a shame too since I used to love Sabu and the rest, but I guess at least I have the memories. McMahon should leave ECW alone and let it get back to its roots and he could have a ratings blockbuster.[quote name='vrs1650']Maybe after WM, they will kill off ECW and the brand split. Then we may get some good crap out of WWE.
Here's an idea,
The Rock could wake up Vince backstage and blow the past three years off as a bad dream, and then we can start fresh.[/quote]
in' hell do I miss the Rock and the Rock 'n' Sock Connection. This would be his second return from retirement/being away from wrestling if I'm not mistaken, but I'm sure he still has it and won't turn MJ on us. Hell Hulk managed to do it how many times. But let's return to the greats and the wrestlers of old who entertained us and think about what they're doing now:Shawn Michaels (HBK) - Still Kicks Ass
Undertaker - Can
ing do anything at this point. Still one of the few good ones leftEdge/Christian - Should stick to tag teams. They don't have the Chris Jericho in them to pull off mega star/headliner level matches and frankly aren't that interesting.
Kane - let's forget he pulled off the mask and put it back on.
Steve Austin - McMahon screwed up that relationship on us.
Triple H - What was once good is old and played out. Boring
Mick Foley and his various aliases - WWE should stop
ing with him and stop making him into a heel/bad guy. The only heel he's ever played that he was good at was Mankind, but otherwise Mick Foley, himself, as a heel should not happen again. He's a good guy and a fan favorite and they should leave him that way.Now let's look at the current roster:
Randy Orton -
no. I just want the Rock to come in and call him a roody pooh candy ass and be done with that idiot. He can't wrestle and his character isn't interesting.Batista -meh
John Cena - I like him. He's good and he's great to watch. But I feel that WWE holds him back for some reason. he could really explode for them if truly given the chance to shine and make himself into a character.
RVD - was great and should still be, but isn't used properly in WWE or ECW
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[quote name='neocisco']Die, WWECW, die.[/quote]
Oh if we were only so lucky, apparently Vince is now on a mission to "FIX ECW" and develop it into a strong enough brand to stand on its own like Raw and SD. Should be interesting to see who else gets dumped over there now. I hope Umaga...
Oh if we were only so lucky, apparently Vince is now on a mission to "FIX ECW" and develop it into a strong enough brand to stand on its own like Raw and SD. Should be interesting to see who else gets dumped over there now. I hope Umaga...
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[quote name='hiccupleftovers']there's nothing extreme about it.[/QUOTE]
That's really all that needs to be said about it. It would be a bad wrestling show if it was called "Tuesday Night Bullshit," but since it seems intent on killing the legacy of ECW, people take it very personally.
I agree on your assessment of the current roster. Orton just seems like he's missing something, or that he doesn't care/he's just going through the motions. He's lacking something. I think John Cena could be a big star, but he's done nothing to enamor himself to the adult male fanbase out there.
That's really all that needs to be said about it. It would be a bad wrestling show if it was called "Tuesday Night Bullshit," but since it seems intent on killing the legacy of ECW, people take it very personally.
I agree on your assessment of the current roster. Orton just seems like he's missing something, or that he doesn't care/he's just going through the motions. He's lacking something. I think John Cena could be a big star, but he's done nothing to enamor himself to the adult male fanbase out there.
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Randy Orton - no. I just want the Rock to come in and call him a roody pooh candy ass and be done with that idiot. He can wrestle and his character isn't interesting.
Batista -meh
John Cena - I like him. He's good and he's great to watch. But I feel that WWE holds him back for some reason. he could really explode for them if truly given the chance to shine and make himself into a character.
RVD - was great and should still be, but isn't used properly in WWE or ECW[/quote]
Where's the rest? Johnny Nitro, Shelton Benjamin, Carlito, CM Punk, etc?
no. I just want the Rock to come in and call him a roody pooh candy ass and be done with that idiot. He can wrestle and his character isn't interesting.Batista -meh
John Cena - I like him. He's good and he's great to watch. But I feel that WWE holds him back for some reason. he could really explode for them if truly given the chance to shine and make himself into a character.
RVD - was great and should still be, but isn't used properly in WWE or ECW[/quote]
Where's the rest? Johnny Nitro, Shelton Benjamin, Carlito, CM Punk, etc?
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ECW of today is like...
Ron Simmons without the "Damn!"
The Rock without a mic.
Y2J without mispronouncing names.
Ron Simmons without the "Damn!"
The Rock without a mic.
Y2J without mispronouncing names.
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Gold Dustin? LOL.
And I don't get all the hate on Edge and Orton... especially Edge. He's a very good wrestler, and the best true heel they've had in years.
And I don't get all the hate on Edge and Orton... especially Edge. He's a very good wrestler, and the best true heel they've had in years.
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Edge has "WHO GIVES A !?" tattooed on his massive forehead.
!?" tattooed on his massive forehead.
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[quote name='mykevermin']That's really all that needs to be said about it. It would be a bad wrestling show if it was called "Tuesday Night Bullshit," but since it seems intent on killing the legacy of ECW, people take it very personally.
I agree on your assessment of the current roster. Orton just seems like he's missing something, or that he doesn't care/he's just going through the motions. He's lacking something. I think John Cena could be a big star, but he's done nothing to enamor himself to the adult male fanbase out there.[/quote]
It's so apparent on Randy Orton that it simply isn't funny anymore. I think he's a case of "I've got a great body with little to no entertainment, nor any wrestling value, and that's what got me into the WWE while others continue to get snubbed". I don't understand how he was propelled to pretty much the top of the contenders list for the high titles. He's no legend killer, and he's hardly anything himself. And as you put it, he's pretty much just going through the motions boring me to tears while I change the channel. I wish they would cut him instead of some of the others that they have.
[quote name='Scorch']Where's the rest? Johnny Nitro, Shelton Benjamin, Carlito, CM Punk, etc?[/quote]
I didn't know I was permitted to post that long of a thread, but since you insisted
Let's start off with the ones I like from the ones you listed:
Carlito - Cool. Period.ing Cool. That is a great character and he reminds me a lot of The Rock. He has his sensibility about him. He was supposed to be a heel, but managed to have such a great fan reaction (plus he's cool) that they turned him into a face. Very Rock-esque. So far his story lines have been great and have kept up with his character. He really should be commanding more of WWE/RAW (time) and should have more title belt shots, especially after the fans' reaction towards him. He would be an instant ratings booster once whoever the talent (writing or otherwise) at the WWE pull their heads out of the sand and realize his potential. It's really sad to see where he goes in week in week out without getting his due. It reminds me of what happened to Benoit, Guerrero (sp), etc.
CM Punk - He's good. Good character and can appeal to the crowd. He sort of has the Shawn Michaels (early days HBK girls going crazy over him) days going for him and he's an act that we haven't seen done so well as he pulls it off. He's also a great wrestler overall and is bringing more of the MMA crowd back to wrestling.
Booker (a.k.a BOOKAH) T - He's a classic. What more can be said. It was nice that he was able to attain the Championship belt and he's entertaining to boot. People like him should be given title shots and be able to hold onto it for lengths of time.
Shelton Benjamin - Bleh. Meh. Not to be racist, but he's the black version of Randy Orton. Simply nothing there. Nothing to make him stand out and his name is just bleh. They need to give him something, or at least change his name because it doesn't come off the tongue easily. It's not something like Brock Lesner where the name doesn't sound that great, but was at least entertaining and made the wrestling look good.
Johnny Nitro - Hmm...how to put it...he's a case of been there, done that, seen him before. He's aing amalgam of Val Venis and Disco Inferno. He hardly pulls it off and comes off looking like a puss...er female body part. He's a worthless clown as far as I'm concerned. Whereas Venis and Disco Inferno were capable entertainers who took their parts and made it apart of themselves, Nitro comes off as a weak wrestler. He's apart of the pandemic of weak wrestlers and entertainers that has been afflicting the WWE for sometime now. I really don't understand where all the charisma and machismo went from the WWE. Let's look back to last year's Spirit Squad. That's bullshit right there. I turned on the WWE after a month's absence and saw them, which had me quickly change the channel after viewing their gimmick for 5 minutes. Crrrraappp! I forget their name now, but if I remember correctly Shane 'O' Mac had a similar group to them which were a bunch of wrestlers dressed as preppies. They were entertaining to watch, but I will not stand for Spirit Squad.
Even if the storyline is weak, looking back at the past shows us that if you have the great characters/wrestlers than no matter the strength of plot, an entertaining and worthwhile show is still possible to be pulled off.
I agree on your assessment of the current roster. Orton just seems like he's missing something, or that he doesn't care/he's just going through the motions. He's lacking something. I think John Cena could be a big star, but he's done nothing to enamor himself to the adult male fanbase out there.[/quote]
It's so apparent on Randy Orton that it simply isn't funny anymore. I think he's a case of "I've got a great body with little to no entertainment, nor any wrestling value, and that's what got me into the WWE while others continue to get snubbed". I don't understand how he was propelled to pretty much the top of the contenders list for the high titles. He's no legend killer, and he's hardly anything himself. And as you put it, he's pretty much just going through the motions boring me to tears while I change the channel. I wish they would cut him instead of some of the others that they have.
[quote name='Scorch']Where's the rest? Johnny Nitro, Shelton Benjamin, Carlito, CM Punk, etc?[/quote]
I didn't know I was permitted to post that long of a thread, but since you insisted
Let's start off with the ones I like from the ones you listed:
Carlito - Cool. Period.
ing Cool. That is a great character and he reminds me a lot of The Rock. He has his sensibility about him. He was supposed to be a heel, but managed to have such a great fan reaction (plus he's cool) that they turned him into a face. Very Rock-esque. So far his story lines have been great and have kept up with his character. He really should be commanding more of WWE/RAW (time) and should have more title belt shots, especially after the fans' reaction towards him. He would be an instant ratings booster once whoever the talent (writing or otherwise) at the WWE pull their heads out of the sand and realize his potential. It's really sad to see where he goes in week in week out without getting his due. It reminds me of what happened to Benoit, Guerrero (sp), etc.CM Punk - He's good. Good character and can appeal to the crowd. He sort of has the Shawn Michaels (early days HBK girls going crazy over him) days going for him and he's an act that we haven't seen done so well as he pulls it off. He's also a great wrestler overall and is bringing more of the MMA crowd back to wrestling.
Booker (a.k.a BOOKAH) T - He's a classic. What more can be said. It was nice that he was able to attain the Championship belt and he's entertaining to boot. People like him should be given title shots and be able to hold onto it for lengths of time.
Shelton Benjamin - Bleh. Meh. Not to be racist, but he's the black version of Randy Orton. Simply nothing there. Nothing to make him stand out and his name is just bleh. They need to give him something, or at least change his name because it doesn't come off the tongue easily. It's not something like Brock Lesner where the name doesn't sound that great, but was at least entertaining and made the wrestling look good.
Johnny Nitro - Hmm...how to put it...he's a case of been there, done that, seen him before. He's a
ing amalgam of Val Venis and Disco Inferno. He hardly pulls it off and comes off looking like a puss...er female body part. He's a worthless clown as far as I'm concerned. Whereas Venis and Disco Inferno were capable entertainers who took their parts and made it apart of themselves, Nitro comes off as a weak wrestler. He's apart of the pandemic of weak wrestlers and entertainers that has been afflicting the WWE for sometime now. I really don't understand where all the charisma and machismo went from the WWE. Let's look back to last year's Spirit Squad. That's bullshit right there. I turned on the WWE after a month's absence and saw them, which had me quickly change the channel after viewing their gimmick for 5 minutes. Crrrraappp! I forget their name now, but if I remember correctly Shane 'O' Mac had a similar group to them which were a bunch of wrestlers dressed as preppies. They were entertaining to watch, but I will not stand for Spirit Squad.Even if the storyline is weak, looking back at the past shows us that if you have the great characters/wrestlers than no matter the strength of plot, an entertaining and worthwhile show is still possible to be pulled off.
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+1. Never was a huge fan, but he always brings it and is certainly one of the most entertaining guys there.
ing ass over the past 2 years.
*Of course, at that point my friend, who is kind of a "fringe" fan (but is going to WM with me) would talk about a few guys with him. When my friend asked if he was going to WM, the kid flipped out since he didn't know it was in Detroit and was begging his dad to go. The dad looked like a high roller and was asking when it was, so he'll probably take him. Bastard. I wish I had rich parents that would buy me anything on a whim. Yes, even now.
Shawn Michaels (HBK) - Still Kicks Ass[/quote]
+1. Never was a huge fan, but he always brings it and is certainly one of the most entertaining guys there.
+1. Arguably the best shape of his career, he has busted hisUndertaker - Can
ing ass over the past 2 years.Disagree. Edge has the rare ability to take WWE's frequent D+ material and make it B-. Most valuable heel they have right now.
Don't care if they put the mask on, but for christsake turn him heel or at least make him insane again. He was the best monster heel they had since Lesnar back when he was tombstoning Linda McMahon and leaving jobbers dead in a pool of their own blood backstage. The "chains and police escort" entrance he had for like 3-4 months around that time was one of the coolest heel entrances ever.
Yeah, kind of, but Austin has seemed really unstable for a few years now between his comings-and-goings and domestic problems. Bring him back as a special attraction once in a while, but I wouldn't want to see him full time, even as a non-wrestler.
+1. Even when he's good (which isn't often) he still strikes me as a guy pretending to be the top guy in the company. The problem with HHH is he is NEVER going to be as talented as Austin or The Rock, and when they were around he was clearly the "third guy." Those two left, but HHH never stopped being the third guy. He's had flirtations with superstardom here and there, but he just does not have the charisma of the two mentioned above, and he never will. His best years in-ring are also long behind him.
My dislike for Foley has grown more and more over the years. A total egomaniac who usually only shows up when he's got some shitty product to shill. His retirement as Cactus Jack at No Way Out many years ago was fantastic, his retirement as Mick Foley a month later at WM2000 was not as good, but still a nice sendoff. His loss to Orton at Backlash a few years back should have been it, as he was stretching it even back then. Enough already.Mick Foley and his various aliases - WWE should stop
+1. Triple H syndrome here. They act like he's the man and he just does not have the charisma necessary to pull it off. He almost got to that point when he beat Benoit for the title, but HHH stopped that nice and quick.Randy Orton -
+1. I'm shocked that 2 years ago they found enough dynamite to blast into Batista and tap into the charismatic appeal buried deep, deep within. That source has now long run dry, and his body is breaking down on him. Kind of to be expected when you're near 40 and a roided out freak with numerous muscle tears and other injuries.
Not his biggest fan, but he is their guy right now, and he's a good choice. Young, in good shape, not an asshole backstage, no major injuries, charismatic, and willing to put effort into his matches and promos no matter what his shortcomings are, and no matter what weak material they give him to work with. Today I was at the barber shop getting a haircut. My friend works there so he hooks me up with free haircuts. As I was waiting, he had what was probably a 6 or 7 year old kid in his chair. The kid said "I want to look like my hero" and when my friend asked who it was, the kid said "John Cena." * That's the kind of guy WWE needs now. This isn't the attitude era anymore.
I don't know how many years he has left, but the remainder of them should be spent in elsewhere. He just doesn't look like he wants to be there.
*Of course, at that point my friend, who is kind of a "fringe" fan (but is going to WM with me) would talk about a few guys with him. When my friend asked if he was going to WM, the kid flipped out since he didn't know it was in Detroit and was begging his dad to go. The dad looked like a high roller and was asking when it was, so he'll probably take him. Bastard. I wish I had rich parents that would buy me anything on a whim. Yes, even now.
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RVD now, or in general? Because now that age has caught up with him, RVD can't pull off his high spots as well anymore, and since he lacks technical ability, his matches are often dull and predictable. Don't get me wrong- I loved the old RVD- but now he's mediocre.
Who gives a about Edge, Brak? A lot of people do. There's what I said before, along with the fact that he actually gets real heel heat yet puts on very high quality matches.
Whether you like him or not is one thing, and I understand not everyone feels the same way I do (just as I do not feel the same way about RVD as you do), but he is an over main event level heel, moreso than anyone else on Raw.
Who gives a
about Edge, Brak? A lot of people do. There's what I said before, along with the fact that he actually gets real heel heat yet puts on very high quality matches. Whether you like him or not is one thing, and I understand not everyone feels the same way I do (just as I do not feel the same way about RVD as you do), but he is an over main event level heel, moreso than anyone else on Raw.
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[quote name='Matt Young']RVD now, or in general? Because now that age has caught up with him, RVD can't pull off his high spots as well anymore, and since he lacks technical ability, his matches are often dull and predictable. Don't get me wrong- I loved the old RVD- but now he's mediocre.[/quote]
Uh... He isn't doing high spots because he physically can't -- it's because WWE doesn't let him.
The day he stepped foot in WWE was the decline of his quality matches. I haven't seen him in a good match since the last days of the real ECW. Suddenly, in the WWE, he's wrestling a bunch of rigid bigmen who aren't up to Rob Van Dam's par.
Hell; look at the match he had against Cena. Granted, Cena isn't a great wrestler, but the match was. RVD and Cena both worked with what they had. Cena is no Sabu or Jerry Lynn, so you weren't seeing many highspots... but there were some good, quality bumps and overall wrestling. The shit he's done on RAW and the new ECW pales in comparison to a match that pales in comparison to his old ECW stuff.
Same with Jeff Hardy. - His work in TNA is "crazier" than anything he's done in the WWE, for the most part. Simply put, that brand of wrestling isn't within the scope of Mr. McMahon's sports entertainment vision.
Once RVD goes to TNA, I'll finally be able to see the old RVD. Not the one that has cookie cutter ladder matches. Not the one that says "Cool" and "Whatever". And not the one that jobs to Hardcoreing Holly.
[quote name='Matt Young']Who gives a about Edge, Brak? A lot of people do. There's what I said before, along with the fact that he actually gets real heel heat yet puts on very high quality matches.
Whether you like him or not is one thing, and I understand not everyone feels the same way I do (just as I do not feel the same way about RVD as you do), but he is an over main event level heel, moreso than anyone else on Raw.[/QUOTE]
Edge is a good wrestler, but his character just bores the shit out of me. It feels like he tries way too hard to be hated.
Uh... He isn't doing high spots because he physically can't -- it's because WWE doesn't let him.
The day he stepped foot in WWE was the decline of his quality matches. I haven't seen him in a good match since the last days of the real ECW. Suddenly, in the WWE, he's wrestling a bunch of rigid bigmen who aren't up to Rob Van Dam's par.
Hell; look at the match he had against Cena. Granted, Cena isn't a great wrestler, but the match was. RVD and Cena both worked with what they had. Cena is no Sabu or Jerry Lynn, so you weren't seeing many highspots... but there were some good, quality bumps and overall wrestling. The shit he's done on RAW and the new ECW pales in comparison to a match that pales in comparison to his old ECW stuff.
Same with Jeff Hardy. - His work in TNA is "crazier" than anything he's done in the WWE, for the most part. Simply put, that brand of wrestling isn't within the scope of Mr. McMahon's sports entertainment vision.
Once RVD goes to TNA, I'll finally be able to see the old RVD. Not the one that has cookie cutter ladder matches. Not the one that says "Cool" and "Whatever". And not the one that jobs to Hardcore
ing Holly.[quote name='Matt Young']Who gives a
about Edge, Brak? A lot of people do. There's what I said before, along with the fact that he actually gets real heel heat yet puts on very high quality matches. Whether you like him or not is one thing, and I understand not everyone feels the same way I do (just as I do not feel the same way about RVD as you do), but he is an over main event level heel, moreso than anyone else on Raw.[/QUOTE]
Edge is a good wrestler, but his character just bores the shit out of me. It feels like he tries way too hard to be hated.
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Disagree. Edge has the rare ability to take WWE's frequent D+ material and make it B-. Most valuable heel they have right now.
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Perhaps, but this is indeed an excellent point. Still, it does not take him out of B level status and should not make him into a top headliner.
That's exactly what I meant by put the mask on. They had a great entrance/schtick/gimmick with him and they tried to change it for change's sake. No matter whether he was a heel or a face, when he had the mask on it just made him that much cooler and interesting. I don't know if this applies to anybody else, but personally I can't stand to look at Kane's face even if he doesn't have any scars. His mug takes out the "oomph" that the mask provided him. Very few wrestlers work well after they have their mask removed. The only one that truly comes to mind is Rey Mysterio Jr. Think about; would someone like Sting, Ultimate Warrior, either of the Road Warriors be as affective without their signature face paint? I doubt it.
This is me speaking as one of his biggest fans, but I used to love him during his 3:16/Attitude era days. He was an absolute showmen; a true headliner. I don't know what's going on with him now, but I still have a place in my heart for him to return as I would always like to see the WWE/F return to its glory days or at least something resembling them.
+2 for you as well Right on the money with calling him "that third guy". He's always been the third banana of the show. He thinks he's some bigshot, but all he did was merely fill a void once The Rock, Austin, Mick Foley, and HBK were out.
I wouldn't say that about Foley. He was something special, and I think he is merely depicted as an egomaniac in the WWE now for some reason.
I wasn't impressed with him then, and I'm damn sure not impressed with him now.
Not his biggest fan, but he is their guy right now, and he's a good choice. Young, in good shape, not an asshole backstage, no major injuries, charismatic, and willing to put effort into his matches and promos no matter what his shortcomings are, and no matter what weak material they give him to work with. Today I was at the barber shop getting a haircut. My friend works there so he hooks me up with free haircuts. As I was waiting, he had what was probably a 6 or 7 year old kid in his chair. The kid said "I want to look like my hero" and when my friend asked who it was, the kid said "John Cena." * That's the kind of guy WWE needs now. This isn't the attitude era anymore.
Somewhat true. He wants to be there I believe, but is not being given the spotlight he needs or some true feuds like he had with Sabu at ECW. Shit, Sabu isn't being properly used. All they're doing is showcasing a couple of his signature moves like the 1-2-3 chair drop and maybe an atomic leg drop, but nothing that made him so beloved by fans. Perhaps he's just aging and is there to make his due that he never received in his younger days. Who knows, but I know that they haven't tapped into him properly which could spur ECW in a positive direction, regardless if they go in the proper "Extreme" direction or not.
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Disagree. Edge has the rare ability to take WWE's frequent D+ material and make it B-. Most valuable heel they have right now.
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Perhaps, but this is indeed an excellent point. Still, it does not take him out of B level status and should not make him into a top headliner.
That's exactly what I meant by put the mask on. They had a great entrance/schtick/gimmick with him and they tried to change it for change's sake. No matter whether he was a heel or a face, when he had the mask on it just made him that much cooler and interesting. I don't know if this applies to anybody else, but personally I can't stand to look at Kane's face even if he doesn't have any scars. His mug takes out the "oomph" that the mask provided him. Very few wrestlers work well after they have their mask removed. The only one that truly comes to mind is Rey Mysterio Jr. Think about; would someone like Sting, Ultimate Warrior, either of the Road Warriors be as affective without their signature face paint? I doubt it.
This is me speaking as one of his biggest fans, but I used to love him during his 3:16/Attitude era days. He was an absolute showmen; a true headliner. I don't know what's going on with him now, but I still have a place in my heart for him to return as I would always like to see the WWE/F return to its glory days or at least something resembling them.
+2 for you as well
Right on the money with calling him "that third guy". He's always been the third banana of the show. He thinks he's some bigshot, but all he did was merely fill a void once The Rock, Austin, Mick Foley, and HBK were out.I wouldn't say that about Foley. He was something special, and I think he is merely depicted as an egomaniac in the WWE now for some reason.
I wasn't impressed with him then, and I'm damn sure not impressed with him now.
Not his biggest fan, but he is their guy right now, and he's a good choice. Young, in good shape, not an asshole backstage, no major injuries, charismatic, and willing to put effort into his matches and promos no matter what his shortcomings are, and no matter what weak material they give him to work with. Today I was at the barber shop getting a haircut. My friend works there so he hooks me up with free haircuts. As I was waiting, he had what was probably a 6 or 7 year old kid in his chair. The kid said "I want to look like my hero" and when my friend asked who it was, the kid said "John Cena." * That's the kind of guy WWE needs now. This isn't the attitude era anymore.
Somewhat true. He wants to be there I believe, but is not being given the spotlight he needs or some true feuds like he had with Sabu at ECW. Shit, Sabu isn't being properly used. All they're doing is showcasing a couple of his signature moves like the 1-2-3 chair drop and maybe an atomic leg drop, but nothing that made him so beloved by fans. Perhaps he's just aging and is there to make his due that he never received in his younger days. Who knows, but I know that they haven't tapped into him properly which could spur ECW in a positive direction, regardless if they go in the proper "Extreme" direction or not.
[quote name='Bathory']...john cena brings nothing but blasphemy to that great wwe belt...when will Triple H finally do us a favor n kick his ass once and for all...you all know Triple H can do it too...remember stone cold getting runover...he brutally busted undertaker on smackdown...I remember that they had to censor it on the spot..[/QUOTE]
Wrestling's fake.
Wrestling's fake.
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[quote name='Brak']Uh... He isn't doing high spots because he physically can't -- it's because WWE doesn't let him.
The day he stepped foot in WWE was the decline of his quality matches. I haven't seen him in a good match since the last days of the real ECW. Suddenly, in the WWE, he's wrestling a bunch of rigid bigmen who aren't up to Rob Van Dam's par.
Hell; look at the match he had against Cena. Granted, Cena isn't a great wrestler, but the match was. RVD and Cena both worked with what they had. Cena is no Sabu or Jerry Lynn, so you weren't seeing many highspots... but there were some good, quality bumps and overall wrestling. The shit he's done on RAW and the new ECW pales in comparison to a match that pales in comparison to his old ECW stuff.
Same with Jeff Hardy. - His work in TNA is "crazier" than anything he's done in the WWE, for the most part. Simply put, that brand of wrestling isn't within the scope of Mr. McMahon's sports entertainment vision.
Once RVD goes to TNA, I'll finally be able to see the old RVD. Not the one that has cookie cutter ladder matches. Not the one that says "Cool" and "Whatever". And not the one that jobs to Hardcoreing Holly.
Edge is a good wrestler, but his character just bores the shit out of me. It feels like he tries way too hard to be hated.[/quote]
Good write up on RVD, minus the Cena spots Props for mentioning Sabu as well. I agree with pretty much everything you said, though I don't know if RVD is not RVD entirely because of WWE or because he's aged and don't tell me otherwise because he definitely looks older and somewhat out of shape (compared to before of course).
The day he stepped foot in WWE was the decline of his quality matches. I haven't seen him in a good match since the last days of the real ECW. Suddenly, in the WWE, he's wrestling a bunch of rigid bigmen who aren't up to Rob Van Dam's par.
Hell; look at the match he had against Cena. Granted, Cena isn't a great wrestler, but the match was. RVD and Cena both worked with what they had. Cena is no Sabu or Jerry Lynn, so you weren't seeing many highspots... but there were some good, quality bumps and overall wrestling. The shit he's done on RAW and the new ECW pales in comparison to a match that pales in comparison to his old ECW stuff.
Same with Jeff Hardy. - His work in TNA is "crazier" than anything he's done in the WWE, for the most part. Simply put, that brand of wrestling isn't within the scope of Mr. McMahon's sports entertainment vision.
Once RVD goes to TNA, I'll finally be able to see the old RVD. Not the one that has cookie cutter ladder matches. Not the one that says "Cool" and "Whatever". And not the one that jobs to Hardcore
ing Holly.Edge is a good wrestler, but his character just bores the shit out of me. It feels like he tries way too hard to be hated.[/quote]
Good write up on RVD, minus the Cena spots
Props for mentioning Sabu as well. I agree with pretty much everything you said, though I don't know if RVD is not RVD entirely because of WWE or because he's aged and don't tell me otherwise because he definitely looks older and somewhat out of shape (compared to before of course).
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[quote name='hiccupleftovers']minus the Cena spots[/quote]
The headplant that RVD took into the chair in the corner is one of the best bumps I have ever seen.
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']though I don't know if RVD is not RVD entirely because of WWE or because he's aged and don't tell me otherwise because he definitely looks older and somewhat out of shape (compared to before of course).[/QUOTE]
If Terry Funk can currently out-wrestle most of the McMahon Big-Man Society (Lashley, Batista, Cena, etc.), I have no problem believing that RVD can still wrestle like himself -- and even rejuvenate himself.
[/quote]The headplant that RVD took into the chair in the corner is one of the best bumps I have ever seen.
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']though I don't know if RVD is not RVD entirely because of WWE or because he's aged and don't tell me otherwise because he definitely looks older and somewhat out of shape (compared to before of course).[/QUOTE]
If Terry Funk can currently out-wrestle most of the McMahon Big-Man Society (Lashley, Batista, Cena, etc.), I have no problem believing that RVD can still wrestle like himself -- and even rejuvenate himself.
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[quote name='Matt Young']Gold Dustin? LOL.
And I don't get all the hate on Edge and Orton... especially Edge. He's a very good wrestler, and the best true heel they've had in years.[/quote]
The only reason people hate Edge is because heed Matt Hardy's girlfriend. That's it, had he not done that no one would give a damn about him. He'd probably still be bopping around the upper-mid card either on Raw or SD, without anyone taking serious notice, basically he'd be in Kane's spot.
Most fans didn't boo Edge because they wanted to see him lose, they boo'd Edge because they legitimately hated him for being a shitty person. I hardly call that being a good heel.
Now Edge has had his share of good matches, but most of them have involved a gimmick of some sort (so many ladder matches), or a wrestler that simply doesn't have bad matches (Benoit, Angle, HBK). Did Edge do anything to carry Cena in their matches? Not that I can remember.
Quite frankly if Edge were released tomorrow, I doubt there'd be many people that cared.
And I don't get all the hate on Edge and Orton... especially Edge. He's a very good wrestler, and the best true heel they've had in years.[/quote]
The only reason people hate Edge is because he
ed Matt Hardy's girlfriend. That's it, had he not done that no one would give a damn about him. He'd probably still be bopping around the upper-mid card either on Raw or SD, without anyone taking serious notice, basically he'd be in Kane's spot. Most fans didn't boo Edge because they wanted to see him lose, they boo'd Edge because they legitimately hated him for being a shitty person. I hardly call that being a good heel.
Now Edge has had his share of good matches, but most of them have involved a gimmick of some sort (so many ladder matches), or a wrestler that simply doesn't have bad matches (Benoit, Angle, HBK). Did Edge do anything to carry Cena in their matches? Not that I can remember.
Quite frankly if Edge were released tomorrow, I doubt there'd be many people that cared.
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[quote name='Zenithian Legend']The only reason people hate Edge is because he ed Matt Hardy's girlfriend. That's it, had he not done that no one would give a damn about him.[/QUOTE]
That was true a year and a half ago. Banging Lita got him in the door. Probably the back door, hyuk hyuk.
But the feud with Cena did a lot - for both guys. He's without a doubt their top heel, I don't see how they could release him with "no one giving a damn."
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I wouldn't say that about Foley. He was something special, and I think he is merely depicted as an egomaniac in the WWE now for some reason.[/QUOTE]
I agree he was "something special," but he's also a perfect example of someone who can't let go when it's time. Considering he has been an outspoken critic of people who can't walk away from the business until they begin to tarnish their legacy, that's rich.
No, I'm talking about his comments in more recent years like (paraphrasing here) "So last week WWE didn't bring me in for the show even though it was near my home - heaven forbid the people be entertained!" as if the show is complete shit if Mick Foley isn't there, and no one else is capable of holding the crowd's attention. With the exception of the Flair feud, his appearances in recent years have been reduced to book commercials or making himself the center attention for two months, then letting who he's feuding with get the win in their match and considering it "even." It's a mini-version of the Triple H effect.
ed Matt Hardy's girlfriend. That's it, had he not done that no one would give a damn about him.[/QUOTE]That was true a year and a half ago. Banging Lita got him in the door. Probably the back door, hyuk hyuk.
But the feud with Cena did a lot - for both guys. He's without a doubt their top heel, I don't see how they could release him with "no one giving a damn."
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I wouldn't say that about Foley. He was something special, and I think he is merely depicted as an egomaniac in the WWE now for some reason.[/QUOTE]
I agree he was "something special," but he's also a perfect example of someone who can't let go when it's time. Considering he has been an outspoken critic of people who can't walk away from the business until they begin to tarnish their legacy, that's rich.
No, I'm talking about his comments in more recent years like (paraphrasing here) "So last week WWE didn't bring me in for the show even though it was near my home - heaven forbid the people be entertained!" as if the show is complete shit if Mick Foley isn't there, and no one else is capable of holding the crowd's attention. With the exception of the Flair feud, his appearances in recent years have been reduced to book commercials or making himself the center attention for two months, then letting who he's feuding with get the win in their match and considering it "even." It's a mini-version of the Triple H effect.
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I wouldn't say that about Foley. He was something special, and I think he is merely depicted as an egomaniac in the WWE now for some reason.[/QUOTE]
No, I'm talking about his comments in more recent years like (paraphrasing here) "So last week WWE didn't bring me in for the show even though it was near my home - heaven forbid the people be entertained!" as if the show is complete shit if Mick Foley isn't there, and no one else is capable of holding the crowd's attention. With the exception of the Flair feud, his appearances in recent years have been reduced to book commercials or making himself the center attention for two months, then letting who he's feuding with get the win in their match and considering it "even." It's a mini-version of the Triple H effect.
I wouldn't say that about Foley. He was something special, and I think he is merely depicted as an egomaniac in the WWE now for some reason.[/QUOTE]
No, I'm talking about his comments in more recent years like (paraphrasing here) "So last week WWE didn't bring me in for the show even though it was near my home - heaven forbid the people be entertained!" as if the show is complete shit if Mick Foley isn't there, and no one else is capable of holding the crowd's attention. With the exception of the Flair feud, his appearances in recent years have been reduced to book commercials or making himself the center attention for two months, then letting who he's feuding with get the win in their match and considering it "even." It's a mini-version of the Triple H effect.
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s complaints over the Little Bastard name? Odd, very odd. Either way, I call him "Lucky".
s complaints over the Little Bastard name? Odd, very odd. Either way, I call him "Lucky".
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[quote name='KaneRobot']That was true a year and a half ago. Banging Lita got him in the door. Probably the back door, hyuk hyuk.
But the feud with Cena did a lot - for both guys. He's without a doubt their top heel, I don't see how they could release him with "no one giving a damn."
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How did that feud do anything for Cena? He's still hated in most buildings, still not over like a Hogan, Austin, Rock, HBK, Foley, Skydome Warrior, Bret Hart, Sting or even *gasp* Goldberg. Cena just doesn't have that *it* factor that a superstar needs to have. He's got charisma, don't get me wrong, but he'll never be remembered as one of the best of the best.
I don't think Edge is any more over than he was immediately after banging Matt Hardy's girlfriend. In fact, I'd say the reactions he gets have dropped a bit. Perhaps had WWE kept the title on him for more than a week, we could've got a better idea as to how far Edge had progressed they didn't, and by my estimation it's really too late now. Edge needed to face someone besides Cena, perhaps an HHH vs Edge WM match would've done the trick, with Edge going over. Didn't happen though, and I still don't hold Edge in the same light as the top heels over the years.
To me, both Edge & Cena will always be second-rate. They'd both make good I/C or US champions, but not good World Champions. Not their fault they got title runs though, not Vince's either, goes back to my theory of why wrestling is where it's at today and the succession of bad blows dealt to the WWE, from losing Austin, Rock & Brock too soon to losing the WWF name.
But the feud with Cena did a lot - for both guys. He's without a doubt their top heel, I don't see how they could release him with "no one giving a damn."
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How did that feud do anything for Cena? He's still hated in most buildings, still not over like a Hogan, Austin, Rock, HBK, Foley, Skydome Warrior, Bret Hart, Sting or even *gasp* Goldberg. Cena just doesn't have that *it* factor that a superstar needs to have. He's got charisma, don't get me wrong, but he'll never be remembered as one of the best of the best.
I don't think Edge is any more over than he was immediately after banging Matt Hardy's girlfriend. In fact, I'd say the reactions he gets have dropped a bit. Perhaps had WWE kept the title on him for more than a week, we could've got a better idea as to how far Edge had progressed they didn't, and by my estimation it's really too late now. Edge needed to face someone besides Cena, perhaps an HHH vs Edge WM match would've done the trick, with Edge going over. Didn't happen though, and I still don't hold Edge in the same light as the top heels over the years.
To me, both Edge & Cena will always be second-rate. They'd both make good I/C or US champions, but not good World Champions. Not their fault they got title runs though, not Vince's either, goes back to my theory of why wrestling is where it's at today and the succession of bad blows dealt to the WWE, from losing Austin, Rock & Brock too soon to losing the WWF name.
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[quote name='KaneRobot']That was true a year and a half ago. Banging Lita got him in the door. Probably the back door, hyuk hyuk.
But the feud with Cena did a lot - for both guys. He's without a doubt their top heel, I don't see how they could release him with "no one giving a damn."
I agree he was "something special," but he's also a perfect example of someone who can't let go when it's time. Considering he has been an outspoken critic of people who can't walk away from the business until they begin to tarnish their legacy, that's rich.
No, I'm talking about his comments in more recent years like (paraphrasing here) "So last week WWE didn't bring me in for the show even though it was near my home - heaven forbid the people be entertained!" as if the show is complete shit if Mick Foley isn't there, and no one else is capable of holding the crowd's attention. With the exception of the Flair feud, his appearances in recent years have been reduced to book commercials or making himself the center attention for two months, then letting who he's feuding with get the win in their match and considering it "even." It's a mini-version of the Triple H effect.[/quote]
Well, he'sing right. For the past 2-3 years you must admit that the WWE has been pretty meh to decent. At least when he comes in you know that at least he'll try to put on a show. And I really don't care if he feels like pushing his books around. Big whoop, tons of authors do that all the time but nobody goes after them in anyway.
But the feud with Cena did a lot - for both guys. He's without a doubt their top heel, I don't see how they could release him with "no one giving a damn."
I agree he was "something special," but he's also a perfect example of someone who can't let go when it's time. Considering he has been an outspoken critic of people who can't walk away from the business until they begin to tarnish their legacy, that's rich.
No, I'm talking about his comments in more recent years like (paraphrasing here) "So last week WWE didn't bring me in for the show even though it was near my home - heaven forbid the people be entertained!" as if the show is complete shit if Mick Foley isn't there, and no one else is capable of holding the crowd's attention. With the exception of the Flair feud, his appearances in recent years have been reduced to book commercials or making himself the center attention for two months, then letting who he's feuding with get the win in their match and considering it "even." It's a mini-version of the Triple H effect.[/quote]
Well, he's
ing right. For the past 2-3 years you must admit that the WWE has been pretty meh to decent. At least when he comes in you know that at least he'll try to put on a show. And I really don't care if he feels like pushing his books around. Big whoop, tons of authors do that all the time but nobody goes after them in anyway.- Status
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