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[quote name='xcoax']The extreme oversell on the big boot has always been a favorite of mine.

Anyone watching the Tribute to the Troops?[/quote]

I am, but since this is a tribute show (and thus no storyline progression), there's not much to discuss here tonight.
 
Raw house show Wednesday.. yay! Kinda bummed that HBK won't be there (I hear he only works TV tapings), but it should still be fun.
 
That was both a fun show to watch as a wrestling fan, and one to enjoy on its own, as they did a great job getting across the sacrifices made by the troops, and the drama involved to the wrestlers (like Jericho meeting his new comedic partner, then realizing that he he may never see him again). Orton-Jericho was quite good, possibly the best match on a Troops show, and the Cena segment was a lot of fun. Much like SD, the Christmas stuff on this show was done very well.

Quotes -
King - You ever see the top of Randy Orton’s house at Christmas? He’s got 1,500 lights that spell out “BAH HUMBUG!”
(Jericho gets a troop’s cam and takes Orton’s picture)Cole - Chris Jericho - photo journalist.
King - Randy Orton’s not the most popular guy at Camp Speicher - he’s the only guy who could be shot at by both sides!
JBL - Normally when the first undisputed champion and the current WWE champion are in the ring, it’s enough, but not when JBL’s in town, son!
King - There’s the grinch that stole the Christmas match from Chris Jericho.
Cole - Why is JBL so mad at Y2J?
King - He’s your buddy, you ask him.
(with troops)Vince - Which one of you guys has their hands on my kiester?
King - Jeff’s sporting face paint tonight, which he says is his way of paying tribute to the troops.
Cole - Look at Carlito’s hair, imagine what the troops could hide in that thing!
King - Jeff’s learned to pace himself, and that might just be what’s been missing with him.
Cole - What about Carlito - what’s missing from him?
King - It’s hard to tell what’s wrong with him - it seemed like he was going somewhere, but he got sidetracked. Now that he’s with Santino…
King - I think the Hardys had wrestling in their blood - their grandmother taught them the sleeper.
King - Santa’s got a bad arm - maybe he hurt it going down a chimney!
Cena Claus (with a note from Young Vince) - This is a very old note - it’s almost 100 years old!
Troops - OLD AS DIRT! OLD AS DIRT!
Cena - Ladies, Santa brought his sack and it’s quite bulging and heavy.
King - He’s Mark Henry-strong, but is he Army-strong?
King - Mark Henry told me he got a Polo shirt and the horse was life-sized.
Cole - Here’s a scary story - the largest armor and helmet couldn’t cover Mark Henry.
Jericho - We’re Coffee and Cream, and what’s funny is I’m Coffee and he’s Cream - my partner, I’ve never met him before… and I may never see him again…
 
My favorite sell has to be Jeff Hardy's dropkick to Orton a few months back. Their camera angle showed around 12 inches between orton and jeff's feet. It also looked like Randy had a delayed effect before taking the fall. I remember there was a gif floating around somewhere, hopefully someone else here has it...
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']Anyone planning on going to any ROH shows? I'm thinking about heading up to Philly for March 15th..[/quote]
I'm going to the ones this Saturday and Sunday since the shows look absolutely stacked. Then the next ones I don't know although I don't know when that will be. The card for both nights -

5th ROH PPV

ROH World Title Match
Nigel McGuinness defends vs. Austin Aries

World Tag Team Title Match- Best 2 Out Of 3 Falls
Jay & Mark Briscoe defend vs. Roderick Strong & Rocky Romero

Grudge Match #1
Bryan Danielson vs. Takeshi Morishima

Grudge Match #2 (Castagnoli Leaves ROH If He Loses)
Claudio Castagnoli vs. Chris Hero with Larry Sweeney, Sara Del Ray, & Bobby Dempsey

Tag Team Scramble
Jack Evans & Ruckus with Julius Smokes vs. Kevin Steen & El Generico vs. Jimmy Jacobs & Tyler Black with Lacey vs. 2 of Brent Albright, BJ Whitmer & Adam Pearce with Shane Hagadorn

Non-Title Three Way
SHIMMER Champion Sara Del Rey vs. Daizee Haze vs. Lacey

One Fall Three Way
Jigsaw vs. The Necro Butcher vs. Matt Cross

Plus more to be announced with: Naomichi Marufuji; Delirious; Davey Richards; Erick Stevens; plus more!!!

Special guests include Tammy Sytch, Daniel Puder and Bushwacker Luke. Sytch and Luke will be available for autographs.

Final Battle 2007
ROH World Title Four Man Elimination Match
Aries/McGuinness 12/29 winner defends vs. Chris Hero with Larry Sweeney, Tank Toland, Sara Del Rey & Bobby Dempsey vs. Bryan Danielson vs. Takeshi Morishima

Stipulation To Be Determined After 12/29 Card
Jay & Mark Briscoe with Daizee Haze vs. Jimmy Jacobs & Tyler Black with Lacey

FIP World Heavyweight Title Match
Roderick Strong defends vs. Erick Stevens

Tables Are Legal
Kevin Steen, El Generico & Delirious vs. Adam Pearce, Brent Albright & BJ Whitmer with Shane Hagadorn

Grudge Match (If Claudio Wins On 12/29)
Claudio Castagnoli vs. Larry Sweeney with Sara Del Rey, Tank Toland & Bobby Dempsey

Special Challenge Match
Jack Evans vs. Necro Butcher

Tag Team Action
Ruckus & Jigsaw with Julius Smokes vs. Matt Cross & Bobby Fish

Plus much more to be announced with: Naomichi Marufuji; Davey Richards & Rocky Romero; plus others!!!

Special guests include Daniel Puder and Bushwacker Luke.






I suspect March 16th will be in NYC and I'll most likely be hitting that up with a 20$ General Admission ticket since I blew nearly $300 on these two upcoming shows.
 
[quote name='Bezerker']My favorite sell has to be Jeff Hardy's dropkick to Orton a few months back. Their camera angle showed around 12 inches between orton and jeff's feet. It also looked like Randy had a delayed effect before taking the fall. I remember there was a gif floating around somewhere, hopefully someone else here has it...[/QUOTE]

Can't be as bad as Angle taking a botched Van Damninator from RVD.

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I guess creative thought we wouldn't remember that John Morrison was Johnny Nitro when he won the vacated title.

I haven't bought any of the WWE DVDs when they had to make alterations to the original broadcasts, but are the alterations as piss poor and obvious as that change?
 
What DVD did they refer to the Nitro title win as one for "Morrison"? Given the circumstances surrounding them being forced to change the commentary to begin with, I can understand why they'd just go ahead and say he was "Morrison" when he won, as that's the character they're pushing now, not the outdated Nitro.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']Anyone planning on going to any ROH shows? I'm thinking about heading up to Philly for March 15th..[/QUOTE]

Depending on the card, I may go to that show.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Gotta give credit, Vince McMahon is a jackass, but what he does for the troops each year is a great thing.[/quote]

Indeed. Although every year I hope it's the last Tribute to the Troops show... depends on the election though I suppose.

If it's not, I hope Vince takes the necessary precautions to make sure his wrestlers are better protected next year.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Gotta give credit, Vince McMahon is a jackass, but what he does for the troops each year is a great thing.[/QUOTE]

Haha, yeah, I was thinking during his segment that this is actually the only place where he could get cheered reguardless of who he is. And then he had to make sure that everyone hated him again so Cena Claus could drop him on his head.

Which reminds me, I didn't absolutely hate seeing John Cena on television. Is something wrong with me?
 
One thing that struck me during the "Cena Claus" segment was that it wasn't actually any different than a typical John Cena promo. Whether it's a random "green eggs & ham" angle or an out-of-place topical reference, they always write these weird gags into his promos that have nothing to do with the feud at hand. So Cena could have done "Cena Claus" to hype a heavyweight title match, and it wouldn't seem like much of a stretch. Note that I'm primarily placing the blame on the WRITERS (or rather, the mere fact that the promos have writers to begin with), rather than trying to turn this into your mindless everyday Cena bashing.

On an unrelated note, I just noticed the description for Volume 4 of the Royal Rumble collection and was surprised to see Benoit mentioned by name. Straight from WWE shop zone, it reads: "With an eye toward WrestleMania and a berth in the main event, this five-year period has seen a diverse group of winners, including two iron men who won the match from the first pairing of stars, Chris Benoit and Rey Mysterio." I know it was reported that Benoit footage would remain on any event-specific DVDs, but it's nice to see some tangible proof. It's still surprising that they went out of their way to mention him in the description, though.
 
[quote name='JaytheGamefan']What DVD did they refer to the Nitro title win as one for "Morrison"? [/QUOTE]

It was during the best of ECW show last night. I didn't bother taping it, but I could have sworn it was "Johnny Morrison", which is sloppy. And lazy.

I was asking if the alterations, in general, are as piss poor as that.
 
[quote name='terribledeli']I was asking if the alterations, in general, are as piss poor as that.[/quote]
Sadly, yes. It's especially bad when they change the entrance music & put generic crowd noise.

As for last night, caught that part & yeah, they did change it. The ring announcer said John Morrison instead Johnny Nitro, even though the MNM music is being played. It was obvious it was changed too, since the crowd noise was cut out when his name was announced.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Indeed. Although every year I hope it's the last Tribute to the Troops show... depends on the election though I suppose.

If it's not, I hope Vince takes the necessary precautions to make sure his wrestlers are better protected next year.[/quote]

No doubt, I hope it's the last one too, but I think it's going to take more than a new President to get it done. I'll leave it at that though so as not to get too off-topic.

[quote name='xcoax']Which reminds me, I didn't absolutely hate seeing John Cena on television. Is something wrong with me?[/quote]

Nothing wrong with you. If anything Cena has been overexposed the last 2 1/2 years and everyone needed a break whether they hated him or not. We have been so used to the frequent title changes of the Attitude era that long title reigns can make an audience disinterested.
 
I think Cena has the passion, but the way his promos are written, his character portrayed, and his matches constantly booked as "here's the guy who goes against the odds all the time" just makes non-kid fans grimace.

Dude's still over, though.
 
Just got my Wrestlemania tickets in.

I don't know if my seats are obstructed view ones but at least I'm not at the very top of the arena.

I'm in section 205, row AA, seats 9 & 10

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[quote name='Sporadic']Just got my Wrestlemania tickets in.

I don't know if my seats are obstructed view ones but at least I'm not at the very top of the arena.

I'm in section 205, row AA, seats 9 & 10[/QUOTE]

And I got my Ring Of Honor tickets.

Night 1, I got just GA tickets.
Night 2, I got Row 5 reserved tickets.

This is going to be the best wrestling weekend ever! :applause:
 
RE: Bruno Sammartino

This may be off the current topic, but I remember when I was a kid, my grandfather told us that we were related (however distantly) to Sammartino. I had never heard of him, but it's always stayed in the back of my mind. They are both Italian immigrants who lived in Pittsburgh, so I guess it's possible, right? I should do more research.
 
[quote name='orko60']RE: Bruno Sammartino

This may be off the current topic, but I remember when I was a kid, my grandfather told us that we were related (however distantly) to Sammartino. I had never heard of him, but it's always stayed in the back of my mind. They are both Italian immigrants who lived in Pittsburgh, so I guess it's possible, right? I should do more research.[/quote]

Just start asking people at your next family reunion if they like the WWE or not...
 
If Kane changed his gimmick to that of Ron Paul supporter instead of whatever he's supposed to be now, he'd be my favorite wrestler. Hell he should be everyone's favorite wrestler, but knowing the majority of WWE fans, he'd probably be the new top heel in the company. :roll:
 
[quote name='Matt Young']I just won a free copy of Smackdown vs. Raw 2008 from www.wrestlinggamers.com (great site, btw) in their annual Christmas giveaway. All it cost me was a $2 Christmas card from Walgreens. :)[/quote]

For what system hippie? I hope for your sake it's not the Wii... as that game was stripped down to the bones :cry: Thank God I read a review before buying it.
 
I don't think it's possible that WWE could be any cheaper with their current house show setup. Went to a Raw show last night and it was literally a ring and a curtain. It made me feel like I was watching some independant show at the fairgrounds, though even the indy shows have a bigger setup. The themes were so loud that it was muffled, even the Raw theme. But the card was still suprisingly good for a house show.

Regal opens the show, says that the main event is a "pick your own" match. Told us to text in to choose, either a No DQ match, a falls count anywhere match, and a cage match.

Santino vs. DH Smith

Santino spouts off some surely-hilarous lines, but the aforementioned problem of the volume being too loud made his voice unhearable. DH Smith picked up the win.

Snitsky vs. Drew McEntire (?)

I think I got the second kid's name right. Introduced as being from Scotland, wore a skirt to the ring. Pretty big squash with Snitsky winning. Obviously.

Vladimir somethingorother vs. Super Crazy

Who's this Vladimir guy? He was HUGE. They did an irish-whip-to-the-corner-kick-to-the-head spot, and Super Crazy popped Vladimir right in the face. Vladimir picked up the win, and kept rubbing his cheek and checking for blood where he was hit.

London/Kendrick vs. Cade/Murdoch vs. Holly/Rhodes - Tag Team Belts

Holly was WAY over with the fans. Holly/Rhodes retain.

Jericho vs. Orton for the WWE title

Originally it wasn't for the strap. Regal came out and changed that. Orton had his hair cut really, really short, he looked almost bald. Jericho dominated, hit the lion tamer, hit the second rope moonsault, I swear he got a three count but apparently Orton lifted his shoulder up at the last second. Orton hit a low blow and retained while Jericho won via DQ.

After the match, Orton went for his kick to the head, Jericho moved and hit him with the codebreaker, or whatever it's called, the finisher that looks just like Carlito's from the front. Jericho got on the mic and asked if we had a good Christmas, said that he received a lump of coal and hoped we had a great and safe new year. He then hopped out of the ring and posed with and signed autographs for everyone that wanted one at ringside. I'm really glad he came back, he's a great person.

Intermission

Melina/Beth Phoenix vs. Mickie James/Maria

Decent match, Melina/Phoenix picked up the win

Kennedy vs. Jeff Hardy for the IC title

Pretty funny spot, Kennedy reached up for his mic and it never came down. He put his hands on his waist and gave a glare to Tony Chimmel. He reached up again, and Tony grabbed the wireless mic, turned it upside down, ran up behind Kennedy and placed it in his raised hand.

Hardy was very over, looked like he messed up his left elbow in the match. He ripped one of his arm condoms so he ended up throwing both off, he looked weird without them on. Hardy won after a swanton bomb.

Triple H vs. Umaga in a steel cage

Nothing out of the ordinary to report here. Umaga seemed to have a different version of his current entrance theme. Umaga grabbed a steel chair, Trips hit a low blow, grabbed the chair, turned it sideways and nailed Umaga in the balls. Triple H won after a pedigree on the steel chair.

Overall, a fairly entertaining show for a house show.

Also, the programs they were selling were severely outdated. It still had Marcus Cor Von, Cryme Tyme, Booker T, and Sandman listed. You'd think that there'd be a lawsuit, considering Booker T's with another company now.
 
WWE house shows always scared me off. The big draw with going to wrestling was (for me), trying to get witty signs on the air. My "Foley is Godo" sign was brilliant. I did go to an ECW house show back in 1999 and saw the best match I've ever seen in person. It was Spike Dudley versus RVD and they just went at it for 25 minutes. Spike's a really, really good wrestler who's stuck in a tiny body.

Thanks to a returned copy of God of War 2 (already had it), I scored the first two Royal Rumble collection DVDs yesterday. I noticed something good right off the bat. At the beginning, when it shows the "Don't try this at home" montage, it still has Benoit talking about his broken neck. This would seem to indicate that the DVDs in the smaller sets are identical to the ones that came out with the initial big RR DVD set. Like others have said, blurring and censored "Fs" don't seem to be an issue. Overall I'm very happy with my relatively inexpensive purchases. I hope the next two sets make it out unscathed.
 
Drew McEntire has been on Smackdown a touch, but has spent more time in OVW.

Vladimir Kozlov is the big guy. He's really inconsistent in the stuff I've seen; sometimes he shows amazing strength, very good mat skills, and a lot of passion. Other times, he's had some of the weakest looking offense for any wrestler, let alone one of his size. He did some WWE stuff a while back, sitting in the crowd and being interviewed by Todd Grisham, talking about how excited he was about "Double-Double-E." They dropped that, of course - and seem to be prepared to bring him back soon, IMO. He's been doing house shows and dark matches for at least a month, and has been on OVW less and less. I look forward to seeing what he can do on WWE TV, as he certainly is capable of enjoyable wrestling.
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[quote name='Scorch']I don't think it's possible that WWE could be any cheaper with their current house show setup. Went to a Raw show last night and it was literally a ring and a curtain. It made me feel like I was watching some independant show at the fairgrounds, though even the indy shows have a bigger setup. The themes were so loud that it was muffled, even the Raw theme. But the card was still suprisingly good for a house show.[/quote]

I went to a few house shows back during the attitude era, and they still had this same set up you speak of. I always really enjoyed the house shows, as they tended to have more matches than a show, plus no "tv" time-outs.

Somehow Stone Cold and Undertaker always seemed to main event these shows, either against each other or teaming up.

I think my all-time favorite off camera moment came when Scotty 2 Hottie was bouncing up and down on the ropes like an idiot, higher and higher he went, and then he fell... definitely unintentional, but a little improv made things look alright.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']I went to a few house shows back during the attitude era, and they still had this same set up you speak of. I always really enjoyed the house shows, as they tended to have more matches than a show, plus no "tv" time-outs.

Somehow Stone Cold and Undertaker always seemed to main event these shows, either against each other or teaming up. [/quote]
Huh, the two times I went, The Rock & Triple H were main eventing the shows(one during the Nation & DX days, the other during the beginning of "The Game" gimmick for HHH).

The house shows were better, since the matches usually lasted longer & got more matches(& none of the awful pauses between matches due to commercial breaks).

I did hate that during that time, they taped a lot of the TV shows in advance. So when a title change happened on TV, sometimes you wouldn't know wtf happened at the house show. I know it happened with the first show I went to, D'lo won the European title from Triple H during a taping that didn't air yet and came out with it and everyone in the crowd was wondering how the hell that happened.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']I went to a few house shows back during the attitude era, and they still had this same set up you speak of. I always really enjoyed the house shows, as they tended to have more matches than a show, plus no "tv" time-outs.

Somehow Stone Cold and Undertaker always seemed to main event these shows, either against each other or teaming up.

I think my all-time favorite off camera moment came when Scotty 2 Hottie was bouncing up and down on the ropes like an idiot, higher and higher he went, and then he fell... definitely unintentional, but a little improv made things look alright.[/QUOTE]

I remember my first attitude era house show, 2 1/2 hour drive and it was a week or two after Stone Cold's neck injury so he wasn't there. Main event was Bret Hart vs Ken Shamrock for the title. Only other match I remember is Undertaker vs (I believe) Mankind with Paul Bearer. Nothing special but I remember Paul Bearer taking off his shoe and attempting to hit Undertaker from behind when they were on the outside.

I got a Undertaker shirt and we listened to the Beatles Anthology 1 the whole way home :)
 
The only wrestling shows I've been to live were house shows (one in '93 and another in '94) and I had a blast. Nowadays, I'd probably prefer them to TV tapings since they'd lack loud pyro and shit like that.

In some FABULOUS news, Maria apparently just completed a Playboy photoshoot, according to gerweck.net, and as a gift for folks, here's the Lawler-Austin Idol cage match with one of the most heated head shavings in wrestling history.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP-3qv_wdyo

Some of the aftermath, and the pertinent parts of the match in much higher quality -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DXGhe6AZCc&feature=related

...and a pre-match promo on it by Austin Idol, with the usual incredible Austin Idol mic work-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkrH-w7ocD4&feature=related
 
I thought she said she wouldn't do Playboy because of her younger sister.

If she has, bravo, she's pretty much the hottest Diva ever.
 
[quote name='tangytangerine']
I did hate that during that time, they taped a lot of the TV shows in advance. So when a title change happened on TV, sometimes you wouldn't know wtf happened at the house show. I know it happened with the first show I went to, D'lo won the European title from Triple H during a taping that didn't air yet and came out with it and everyone in the crowd was wondering how the hell that happened.[/QUOTE]

This is horrible. I tried to go to one house show before. It was in Detroit, the same week as the autoshow. So, the arena has it's own parking structure, but it was full. Not knowing Detroit well, I couldn't find a lot within walking distance that had parking. What's funny is, I called to complain, and they gave me 2 free tickets to any event, but it couldn't be used for another WWE show. I never ended up using those.

Back on topic though, you would think the WWE could track what has been on tv yet, so if a title change wasn't on tv, they should just flip the belt back to the tv champ until it shows.
 
I've only been to one house show back in the summer of 2000 in DC. The main event was The Rock and Triple H in a cage match for the title. Trips won the title with the help of a foreign object, but Foley (who was the commissioner at the time) came out and restared the match, and the Rock won by escaping the cage.

There was another funny moment when Too Cool and Rikiski had just won a 3-way tag match (forgot who they fought). The crowd wanted them to do the dance, but Rikishi made like he was gonna exit the ring. The crowd started booing, so he motioned as if he was entering the ring again and they started cheering, and then he kept quicky entering and exiting, and the crowd reacted accordingly. It was basically the same as when RVD and Cena fought at ONS '06 when they were exchanging blows at one point in the match.
 
That is wonderful news about Maria!

I'd have to say my all-time favorite show was Vengeance '02. The main event was a stellar match between Angle, Taker and the Rock. This was the last time the Rock won the title, and I wasn't a huge Rock fan, but I remember cheering after the match anyway. The whole arena went crazy when the Rock won. The complete opposite of 80% of the arena being pissed at WM23 when Cena pinned Michaels. Plus those Vengeance tickets were free, and up close. God bless the WWE athletic trainer.
 
[quote name='Halo05']I thought she said she wouldn't do Playboy because of her younger sister.

If she has, bravo, she's pretty much the hottest Diva ever.[/quote]

I don't see why she would be that concerned anyway. Being half naked on Raw isn't that far from a Playboy shoot to begin with. It's a shame Playboy's photography is garbage and there will be more paint than actual skin shown. They should just take a digital camera, take pics, and post them unedited.
 
Raw will be doing a house show tomorrow here in Atlanta at Philips Arena. They haven't done a house show here in at least 5 years. Everything has been either Raw, Smackdown or PPV's. Ticket prices are practically the same as a Monday Night Raw so passing was no problem.

There's a pretty good article on Mark Bagwell in today's AJC. I met him at the airport last year when I was traveling to Seattle. We talked on the train for a few minutes. He was very friendly with no attitude at all. It's good to here he's clean and healthy.

http://www.ajc.com/search/content/metro/cobb/stories/2007/12/27/bagwell1227nw.html
 
[quote name='Foo228']I guess we should expect a big push for Maria going to playboy ala Wrestlemania 24...[/quote]

She deserves it. She's been with the company longer than a lot of the other girls already, was probably the only good thing to come from the diva search, plays her character well and is adorable. What's not to like?
 
Oh God. It's one thing seeing other hot divas naked, but Maria... I'm practically getting hard just thinking about it. I'd want to see that even more than all 3 Extreme Expose girls.

Maria is, like, the hottest woman ever. Something about us people from Illinois whose names start with Ma... We're dead sexy.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']She deserves it. She's been with the company longer than a lot of the other girls already, was probably the only good thing to come from the diva search, plays her character well and is adorable. What's not to like?[/quote]

She, as well as most of the other divas, don't deserve it imo. Last diva that seemed like she actually worked for her position was Candice Michelle (she went from nowhere to actually wrestling in entertaining matches)...and before her it was Lita and Trish (who were the best the business has seem women-wise).

I'm not saying she hasn't worked hard to get/stay where she's at, but she needs to show people she's actually been working hard regardless of her "dumb look"

Oh and for what it's worth - I wish it was Kelly Kelly we were talking about right now :cool:
 
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