[quote name='slowdive21']Here is an update. I am still looking for a place to buy and I keep coming back to the one that has turned down 2 of my offers. It is listed at 72,000 and after 2 of my offers they countered at $70,000. My last offer was $62,000 cash. It is a short sale, vacant, costs them to keep on the heat,water,etc, and it can not be rented.
My agent thinks they are shooting for $68,000 and believes that if I put a few grand into it, I can flip it for $90,000 in a couple of years.
I am debating if I should wait for them to be foreclosed or to up my offer. I saw that short sale sellers have to report the amount forgiven by the bank on a mortgage as income on their taxes if a short sale does not sell by the end of the year. I am tempted to roll the dice, but the market is also picking up in this area.
BTW the owner has first right of refusal, so the bank doesn't even see my offers (which is frustrating).
What do you guys/gals think?[/QUOTE]
Short sales are awful. The owner may be refusing the offers because your offers are simply below where the bank will let them walk away from it all. Do you know how much they put down, whether they used a 2nd note to pay for the down payment, how much is remaining on that note and the primary mortgage, and how delinquent they are? That should give you an idea of what they're looking to get. Chances are the bank was going to reject your offers too. Banks, for some reason, think that going through the foreclosure process, then selling the place at a gimped value in foreclosure several months from now is somehow better than just eating an $10,000 loss to sell it to you and to take it off their books. I'll never understand it, but I've seen it many times. Maybe the bank gets some kind of write off for keeping shit like this on their books.
Everyone also says the only place for the housing market to go is up, but you just never know. I wouldn't buy the place and gamble on it being a "flip" as the market still isn't that stable unless your area has something special going on. A $20K difference on a condo in a few years is pretty drastic in this economy, but again, your local market may say differently. You also have to consider how many thousands of dollars you're going to have to put into renovating the place, plus property taxes, etc. Is it worth the time, money, and effort to flip this one property?
I didn't go back and re-read the thread to see where you are at in life, but if you're just looking for a place to live, treat it as that and don't look at it as a flip. Just make sure that you could break even if you needed to. You never know, the market may dip more.