CAG Infraction System Now Active (Beta/Trial)

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[quote name='shrike4242']

Personal attacks just aren't needed on CAG, in joke form or otherwise.[/QUOTE]
What? So now we can't even joke with our friends? That's awesome.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']How's JimmieMac going to post anything now?[/QUOTE]

He's one of the exceptions to the rules when at the beginning people mentioned some people would be immune to all of this.
 
[quote name='shrike4242']Personal attacks just aren't needed on CAG, in joke form or otherwise.[/quote]

[quote name='Rei no Otaku']What? So now we can't even joke with our friends? That's awesome.[/quote]

A joke between friends isn't a personal attack, is it?
 
crappoopcrap!, I meant to get all my racist inappropriate comments in before they became against the rules! Now I have to behave like a civil human being!
 
[quote name='CheapyD']A joke between friends isn't a personal attack, is it?[/quote]

But apparently, according to Linkin, referring to something as "silly" is. :applause:
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']How's JimmieMac going to post anything now?[/quote]

Some people will... clearly, be exempt from the rules.
 
[quote name='Slim Gatsby']But apparently, according to Linkin, referring to something as "silly" is. :applause:[/QUOTE]
As well as making fun of someone's avatar lmao.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Yeah cause that's exactly what happened :roll:[/quote]

Instead of rolling your eyes and just downplaying it, you could, y'know, explain the situation or disregard the comment. You haven't explained yourself yet as to your actions, and if you, for whatever reason, don't plan to, then there's no reason to be sassy.
 
[quote name='Rocko']Instead of rolling your eyes and just downplaying it, you could, y'know, explain the situation or disregard the comment. You haven't explained yourself yet as to your actions, and if you, for whatever reason, don't plan to, then there's no reason to be sassy.[/QUOTE]
I'll see if I can find the old post. It was in one of the old GGTs.

While I was simplifying it quite a bit, the whole situation was still quite ridiculous.

EDIT: This page and the page after: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169575&highlight=GGT+avatar&page=2
 
[quote name='Rocko']Instead of rolling your eyes and just downplaying it, you could, y'know, explain the situation or disregard the comment. You haven't explained yourself yet as to your actions, and if you, for whatever reason, don't plan to, then there's no reason to be sassy.[/quote]

Rocko, for someone that hasn't gotten any infraction points you seem to hate this system so much.
Why do you keep coming in here trying to stir stuff up?

I know that you dislike me as a mod and that's OK but is there really a need to question everything that happens between me and other CAGs?

If you really want to know what happened, dig up one of the GGT's...I explained my self thoroughly there, though I'm sure you and some others here will disagree since they're so quick to join the "lets demod LinkinPrime" group. Keep up the good fight I guess.

My comment was directed towards Rei, he knows what really went on since he was present in that thread throughout the whole thing.
 
No offense, Linkin, but I always found this line funny :lol::

[quote name='LinkinPrime'] making fun of my avatar for no appereant reason...yes that warrants a time out. [/QUOTE]

Your avatar is awesome, LP! Don't ban me. :pray:
 
Honestly, I don't think that Linkin is a bad mod per se. I think he did a great job cleaning up some threads, as well as organizing the X-box Live Arcade threads; the effort he put in to these is commendable.

However, I think that if someone is going to have the ability to award infraction points, they also shouldn't be handing them out in a fashion that shows bias towards any camp, be it format, console, or "I-don't-like-CAG-User-X." I like this community because people can be friendly and joke around, and snark, especially mild snark, is rarely taken to heart.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Rocko, for someone that hasn't gotten any infraction points you seem to hate this system so much.
Why do you keep coming in here trying to stir stuff up?

I know that you dislike me as a mod and that's OK but is there really a need to question everything that happens between me and other CAGs?

If you really want to know what happened, dig up one of the GGT's...I explained my self thoroughly there, though I'm sure you and some others here will disagree since they're so quick to join the "lets demod LinkinPrime" group. Keep up the good fight I guess.

My comment was directed towards Rei, he knows what really went on since he was present in that thread throughout the whole thing.[/quote]

Stir stuff up? This has nothing to do with the infraction system, actually, and everything to do with the issues of you doing your job as of late. I just think it's immature to not make one comment here as to your conduct, which has been questioned by multiple people, yet roll your eyes when it's questioned by someone who you punished.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Rocko, for someone that hasn't gotten any infraction points you seem to hate this system so much.
Why do you keep coming in here trying to stir stuff up?

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Hey might be a shocker so sit down , but people don't always do stuff out of self interest. I have been on this site for multiple years and I bristle at things that could cause it to potentially go down the tubes. I love the fact that the site can be a little out there. Political correctness is attacking our society and taking the flavor out of it and I'd rather not see it spread to CAG. Seriously I turn 30 this summer I have no space for a fucking family friendly website. Like I said earlier it is silly to run a site with the word ass in it like the society in the movie Demolition Man. I refuse to eat Taco Bell!:lol:
 
:dunce:That was my bad...I screwed up the permissions on the "Silenced" usergroup. I fixed it a day or two ago.
 
[quote name='jlarlee'] I love the fact that the site can be a little out there. Political correctness is attacking our society and taking the flavor out of it and I'd rather not see it spread to CAG. [/quote]

this
 
[quote name='CheapyD']:dunce:That was my bad...I screwed up the permissions on the "Silenced" usergroup. I fixed it a day or two ago.[/QUOTE]

YIKES! :rofl:

Oh well... The gig is up ;).
 
i really dont think those infraction points were fair. i called a mgs4 dvd hoarder a 'd!ck' and so did many others. i hope they all get infraction points or i can get mines taken away. considering how many decent/acceptable deals ive posted on this website, i think i deserve it.
 
Actually, I locked that usergroups ability to send PMs. It had nothing to do with you.
Also, if you stop acquiring infracitons, your points will eventually return to zero.
 
Isn't it interesting to note that I've spent nearly five years on this board without so much as a warning, only to be silenced for satirically calling the moderating team oppressive? It should be interesting enough that someone who'd never had a conflict with a moderator felt the need to criticize the system, but on top of that, I was temp banned for my PG-13 criticism, which didn't even target (or name) anyone in particular. Merely a satirical post expressing my dissatisfaction with the direction the board is going.

The allegory I made that earned my temp ban a couple days ago was not made to insult, harass or offend. The comparison is one I feel is warranted, and represents my dissatisfaction with CAG moderation more concisely than anything else ever could. Of course you may be offended to be associated with such an awful, unjust society, but that's the point of the criticism. It isn't something that should make you feel good about yourself. I stand by that it is an accurate comparison, and feel as though what happened -- banning me for stating my opinion, censoring criticism -- only further emphasizes the similarities.

Hopefully I'm not banned for this one. Knowing you guys, it's likely... I guess I'll just have to risk it. I've tried to censor myself as much as possible, to save you the trouble.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']
It's truly a shame to have witnessed the pussification of CAG in recent months. Based on the actions taken towards the comments earlier, I won't be surprised when the worst insults allowed here look something like, "Jeepers, you're such a square!" or "Hush up, you gosh darn fool." And even then, you'll get reported.

Hurrah.[/QUOTE]
It's unfortunate that a joke from a few months ago is nearly becoming realized.
 
Look, we're listening to what you guys are saying and (as far as I'm concerned) definitely not trying to take the fun out of CAG.

But check out this thread:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175960

In there, several people were complaining that things were too loosely modded around here and we needed to be stricter in order to return CAG to the "good ol' days". I think the infraction system was put in place partly to address this.

So we have one group of users feeling things have gotten out of hand and the board isn't fun any more, another set reacting to the changes saying the exact same thing but for completely opposite reasons, and the vast majority of CAGs waiting it out to see what happens.

This is still a beta thing - let's see where it goes. And yes, I'm well aware some of you think it has gone to a very bad place ;). I think we need to give it a bit more time though.
 
[quote name='Koggit']The allegory I made that earned my temp ban a couple days ago was not made to insult, harass or offend. The comparison is one I feel is warranted, and represents my dissatisfaction with CAG moderation more concisely than anything else ever could[/quote]
Comparing video game message board moderators to a regime responsible for the genocide of ten million people is an insightful and just comparison. Clearly you could not have foreseen that a moderator would be offended. Making well thought-out statements like that is definitely the best way to get your desired points across.
 
As the person with the most Infractions on CAG( or Damn Near Close) I can safely say that this whole system was put in place just to target certain people, but we wont go there.

This whole thread has turned into," Lets bitch about Linkins Modding Ability- Gen Disc. & Info."

This thing is not going away no matter how much we bitch,neither is Linkin as a mod.
We just have to suck it up, and deal.

Its easier for the people who are immune to this to target the people they dont like.
 
[quote name='InuFaye']As the person with the most Infractions on CAG( or Damn Near Close) I can safely say that this whole system was put in place just to target certain people, but we wont go there.

This whole thread has turned into," Lets bitch about Linkins Modding Ability- Gen Disc. & Info."

This thing is not going away no matter how much we bitch,neither is Linkin as a mod.
We just have to suck it up, and deal.

Its easier for the people who are immune to this to target the people they dont like.[/QUOTE]

I sort of agree with this. But then I have to wonder why I don't have a ton of infractions after the whooping I gave Linkin in R6V2 :lol:

I think there's a place for constructive criticism, but ya, a lot of the posts in ehre fall under "bitching." My boss has a saying that is "Don't tell me about a problem unless you have a solution." That's the difference between bitching and criticism.
 
[quote name='lordwow']I sort of agree with this. But then I have to wonder why I don't have a ton of infractions after the whooping I gave Linkin in R6V2 :lol:
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Did you say something about his mother? Your Mom Jokes are now highly looked down upon at CAG.

Which is funny considering how much jokes Cheapy makes about Gays and Anal Sex all the time.
 
[quote name='InuFaye']Did you say something about his mother? Your Mom Jokes are now highly looked down upon at CAG.

Which is funny considering how much jokes Cheapy makes about Gays and Anal Sex all the time.[/quote]

Don't try to make it less that what it was. You obviously made an attempt to insult someone, it wasn't a joke or sarcasm between buddies thing...you literally made that racial comment to piss someone off, and believe it or not, a couple people reported that post. It wasn't just the offending party that reported it.

If you feel that you are being targeted, you're not. You're just obviously not learning from your temp bans and infraction points. There's a line that you keep crossing.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']you literally made that racial comment to piss someone off, and believe it or not, [/QUOTE]

There goes the OTT then, MIRITE?
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Don't try to make it less that what it was. You obviously made an attempt to insult someone, it wasn't a joke or sarcasm between buddies thing...you literally made that racial comment to piss someone off, and believe it or not, a couple people reported that post. It wasn't just the offending party that reported it.

If you feel that you are being targeted, you're not. You're just obviously not learning from your temp bans and infraction points. There's a line that you keep crossing.[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing that line falls right before calling someone a "Poopy head."
 
Yes it might have been a tad racist, but honestly did you see the second infraction for a joke about someones mother?

That is what I am talking about.
 
[quote name='InuFaye']Maybe you shouldn't take everything personally.

I'm just calling it like I see it.[/quote]

InuFaye, that right there is where the problem is at.
You and Zewone are not cool enough with each other to joke around like that, so when you say something like that to Zewone, its offensive as opposed to one of his friends saying it because Zew would know to not take it personally.
 
[quote name='io']Look, we're listening to what you guys are saying and (as far as I'm concerned) definitely not trying to take the fun out of CAG.

But check out this thread:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175960

In there, several people were complaining that things were too loosely modded around here and we needed to be stricter in order to return CAG to the "good ol' days". I think the infraction system was put in place partly to address this.

So we have one group of users feeling things have gotten out of hand and the board isn't fun any more, another set reacting to the changes saying the exact same thing but for completely opposite reasons, and the vast majority of CAGs waiting it out to see what happens.

This is still a beta thing - let's see where it goes. And yes, I'm well aware some of you think it has gone to a very bad place ;). I think we need to give it a bit more time though.[/quote]

The problem is this set of people that constantly post "Oh god I miss the good old days of 2007 I'm taking CAG hiatus because everyone sucks! Blah blah blah" get to run this system by reporting anything just a bit offensive and getting the poster punished.

One big appeal of CAG to me was the fact that it wasn't a board where the number one rule was "This is a board where pre-teens post, so it needs to stay G rated." CAg was a place where you could be more out of line than that and it was accepted, because everyone was mature and knew what was going on. People got in bitch fights, and got over it. It was part of the community that wasn't hurting anybody, except, apparently, this group of people that want their message boards as clean as a Saturday morning cartoon, which is ridiculous.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']InuFaye, that right there is where the problem is at.
You and Zewone are not cool enough with each other to joke around like that, so when you say something like that to Zewone, its offensive as opposed to one of his friends saying it because Zew would know to not take it personally.[/QUOTE]

Zew might take that personally (and if anyone did, they should get off the internet), but someone telling them 'to shut the fuck up' is ok?

I think that's the jist of what some are trying to say - some things are tolerated and accepted, where others are not. You need to apply the same filters to everyone.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Zew might take that personally (and if anyone did, they should get off the internet), but someone telling them 'to shut the fuck up' is ok?

I think that's the jist of what some are trying to say - some things are tolerated and accepted, where others are not. You need to apply the same filters to everyone.[/quote]

How would "shut the fuck up" be filtered the same as a racial remark against someone's mom? Those two things aren't even in the same league. We are not trying to make the site as clean as a Saturday morning cartoon as Rocko stated.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']How would "shut the fuck up" be filtered the same as a racial remark against someone's mom?[/QUOTE]

Because being told to "shut the fuck up" implies that a person's existence is worthless, and it's the mother's fault for giving birth to that person- the racial part depends on the mother's heritage.
 
[quote name='djkunai']Because being told to "shut the fuck up" implies that a person's existence is worthless[/quote]

No it doesn't. It means just as it appears to mean. The verbal diarrhea train needs to stop.

At a stretch, it could mean that person's opinion is worthless and unnecessary to the conversation, discussion, topic, etc.

But to imply a person's existence is worthless? Grasping at straws.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']How would "shut the fuck up" be filtered the same as a racial remark against someone's mom? Those two things aren't even in the same league. We are not trying to make the site as clean as a Saturday morning cartoon as Rocko stated.[/QUOTE]

I'm referring to 382, 383, 384. That's it.
 
I think a lot of the problem here is that the complaining users and mods aren't really discussing the same thing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the proposed system itself does not seem too controversial, standing alone. However, combined with some of the questionable actions of the mods both prior to and immediately following the creation of the system, everything starts looking troubling.

Basically, the mods here seem to think people are complaining about the theory of the system itself, while the users are more concerned about what the system, in the hands of the current mods, will mean in practice. What the law says and what the law does are often two wholly different things. It's one thing to say, "we're going to put more concrete rules in place", it's another thing when the people who are going to be acting as the executor of those rules are meting out punishments based on some highly questionable decisions (i.e., Linkin), or just seem disturbingly manic and joyous about having some additional power (DaPhatty). The idea behind the system is fine.

The execution of the system is troubling.
 
[quote name='strummerbs']I think a lot of the problem here is that the complaining users and mods aren't really discussing the same thing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the proposed system itself does not seem too controversial, standing alone. However, combined with some of the questionable actions of the mods both prior to and immediately following the creation of the system, everything starts looking troubling.

Basically, the mods here seem to think people are complaining about the theory of the system itself, while the users are more concerned about what the system, in the hands of the current mods, will mean in practice. What the law says and what the law does are often two wholly different things. It's one thing to say, "we're going to put more concrete rules in place", it's another thing when the people who are going to be acting as the executor of those rules are meting out punishments based on some highly questionable decisions (i.e., Linkin), or just seem disturbingly manic and joyous about having some additional power (DaPhatty). The idea behind the system is fine.

The execution of the system is troubling.[/QUOTE]
Well put.
 
In an attempt to try and go soothe monkeydeew's paranoia, I've reversed the two points I gave him. Any mod can verify this, if you don't believe me.
 
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