CAG NFL Season Discussion

GBAstar said:
Everyone who is saying he should have been suspended for a THIRD of the fuckING season is giving a pass to degenerates in other industries that see no backlash or in other sports that see very little backlash (Jason Kidd, Jared Sullinger, Allen Iverson, etc.)
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No one gave a pass to other industries. Never mind, just forget it, you're fucking nuts.
 
RedvsBlue said:
No one gave a pass to other industries. Never mind, just forget it, you're fucking nuts.
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Somehow... I don't think people were cheerleading against domestic violence on morning talk shows (non-sports) or complaining about suspensions when no name Jared Sullinger went through the same thing this NBA season.

or Jason Kidd. Hell... didn't even hear as much faux uproar over habitual offender Floyd Mayweather.

Must be all bandwagon fans that the NFL attracts who follow the sport more for the reality show dramatics it brings (i.e. Michael Sam) then the actual sport entertainment aspect.

 
I guess I have no problem with two games because I honestly don't care about what any of them do in their free time.  This could be a prison league televised on Sundays and it would make no difference to me.  Put them on the field for a few hours, do their thing and then go back to doing whatever stupid stuff they do on their own time.  The NFL is just something to turn on sunday afternoon, not something that needs to be analyzed over as much as it is.

And I don't see why everyone is so concerned about drugs getting you a longer suspension then ray rice.  Blame the players union and owners for their backwards views on it when negotiating the CBA.

 
GBAstar said:
Somehow... I don't think people were cheerleading against domestic violence on morning talk shows (non-sports) or complaining about suspensions when no name Jared Sullinger went through the same thing this NBA season.

or Jason Kidd. Hell... didn't even hear as much faux uproar over habitual offender Floyd Mayweather.

Must be all bandwagon fans that the NFL attracts who follow the sport more for the reality show dramatics it brings (i.e. Michael Sam) then the actual sport entertainment aspect.
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Are you mad at other sports? OR the fact that the NFL is the most popular sport? Or is it the fans of the NFL? This is pretty much tirade territory at this point. You seem to hold a lot of anger with you about things.

Just because someone doesn't comment, or even know about a similar incident in a different industry or sport, doesn't mean they can't be upset at something that happens in an area which they happen to follow.

This whole thing is just turning into a hipster argument anyway.

 
So Stephen A. Smith basically said this morning "Hitting women is wrong, but they need to learn not to provoke it." He got all kinds of shit for it. Now he's trying to backtrack, but he's only digging himself a deeper hole by making the same argument again.

 
irideabike said:
I guess I have no problem with two games because I honestly don't care about what any of them do in their free time. This could be a prison league televised on Sundays and it would make no difference to me. Put them on the field for a few hours, do their thing and then go back to doing whatever stupid stuff they do on their own time. The NFL is just something to turn on sunday afternoon, not something that needs to be analyzed over as much as it is.

And I don't see why everyone is so concerned about drugs getting you a longer suspension then ray rice. Blame the players union and owners for their backwards views on it when negotiating the CBA.
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I guess a lot of us care whether the players on the team(s) we follow are horrible people or not. There's a big difference between the prudish nature of being offended that Johnny Manziel travels to Las Vegas or wherever in his off time and committing actual crimes that don't get as severe of a punishment as they may deserve when the law lets them off the hook. When rookies that haven't played a single down yet point out the problem, then it's kind of hard to think that Roger Goodell would be so lenient about it considering his past of dropping the hammer for players that had off-field problems like this.

 
pitfallharry219 said:
So Stephen A. Smith basically said this morning "Hitting women is wrong, but they need to learn not to provoke it." He got all kinds of shit for it. Now he's trying to backtrack, but he's only digging himself a deeper hole by making the same argument again.
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Michelle Beadle slammed the show for it. Considering Bill Simmons was suspended for daring to take shots at First Take, I wonder what ESPN will do to Beeds.

 
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FriskyTanuki said:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/19705044/goodell-committed-to-stemming-nfls-dui-domestic-violence-arrests

To add to the Ray Rice discussion, Roger Goodell himself said that they were going to try to combat the growing DUI and domestic violence problems that players were having, so he hasn't done much if it's still a hot topic two years later.
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Well in Goodell's defense DUI/OUI has become more common place in America in general. They are big money makers for local municipalities because they can charge you fees for everything from court to license reinstatement to drug/alcohol courses to alternative sentencing....

High profile athletes don't really have an excuse though unless their intention is to show off their "ride" when they go out. Much easier for them to swallow cab fare then for the average person.

 
Wow I didn't think he had a case, but josh gordon really shouldn't get suspended for two samples that contradict each other and he wouldn't have been suspended in any other league. Even the Olympics wouldn't have suspended him.
 
The guy who uploaded video of him urinating on Art Modell's grave has been arrested and could face up to 2 years jail time
 
Three months in, this is just a ridiculous situation. The NFL either needs to make a fucking decision or come clean with what's going on, as they're just holding the Browns' season hostage right now. I'm sick of this shit.

 
Hoyer is just the safer guy at this point.

The Gordon thing is ridiculous but he's got that DUI too.
 
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Oh, I agree with the decision to start Hoyer. But it's the god-like worship and the comparisons to Brady that are getting out of control.
 
DNukem170 said:
Oh, I agree with the decision to start Hoyer. But it's the god-like worship and the comparisons to Brady that are getting out of control.
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Who's comparing him to Brady? I've only seen more realistic talk about him being the right guy to start, at least outside of Tony Kornheiser, who has a man crush on Manziel.

 
If it was just talking heads, I wouldn't mind. But everything coming from the Browns the past month has been basically slamming Manziel and talking up Hoyer as if Hoyer is the future of the team and Johnny is lucky to have a job. I don't think I have heard a single positive thing about Manziel from the Browns since Draft Day. Did they draft him solely to sell season tickets?
 
I would just shrug it off (at least publicly) as Johnny being Johnny.

Fawning over Hoyer isn't going to do anything to Johnny because even an idiot can tell how fake the feelings are. The only way he's going to listen is to get out there on the football field and get embarrassed by an NFL defense. Hell, the Browns are just making the situation worse by giving the talking heads more material.

It feels like the Jets and Tebow, to be honest.
 
DNukem170 said:
If it was just talking heads, I wouldn't mind. But everything coming from the Browns the past month has been basically slamming Manziel and talking up Hoyer as if Hoyer is the future of the team and Johnny is lucky to have a job. I don't think I have heard a single positive thing about Manziel from the Browns since Draft Day. Did they draft him solely to sell season tickets?
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I'd say it's a good thing that his teammates believe in him that much, so there's less of a chance of locker room strife when Manziel isn't starting right away.

I don't think they've been slamming Manziel at all. They're just not feeding his ego and trying to make him out to be the best QB in the league like so many people did for the past two or three years in college and leading up to the draft. They've said at least a few times that they don't see any harm in what he's doing off the field and that he's done all of the work you'd expect on the field and in the team's facilities.

 
The first two weeks of the pre-season are a test of potential new PAT rules to put it at a 33 yard PAT instead of 20, but it'll go back to normal for the last two games.

 
David Wilson has basically quit football after being put on the season ending IR and told by doctors he should never play football again.
 
Dear Daniel Snyder,

Stop living in Delusional World and CHANGE THE fuck ING NAME!

Sincerely,

The rest of the living world.
 
DNukem170 said:
Dear Daniel Snyder,

Stop living in Delusional World and CHANGE THE fuck ING NAME!

Sincerely,

The rest of the living world.
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I haven't kept up on the finer points of this issue. Is it 100% based on the name "Redskins" being offensive? Or does it also delve into the use of a Native American mascot entirely? I thought the Atlanta Braves had some controversy several years ago, but we're not hearing about that anymore. Between Atlanta, Cleveland Indians, Florida State Seminoles, etc. Those are all now ok?

If so, they could change the name to "Warriors" (Washington Warriors even sounds decent) and leave much else unchanged. If it's bigger than that, I don't really think it's fair to single Washington out unless those other teams lose their trademark too.

 
With the Braves, it wasn't so much about the name as it was this logo:
 
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There were plans to bring it back as the logo for the batting practice hats for spring training last year, but they thought better of it at the last minute. A few did make it out into the wild, though.

WIth the Indians, it's an issue with the name, as well as the smiling Chief Wahoo logo.

 
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irideabike said:
lmao ok. keep living in your bubble world.
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o_O Um, that IS what the name is. It's basically the same as the N-word, calling black people monkeys, calling Asian people chinks, etc.

Hell, the Skins founder proudly admitted that the racism angle was one of the main reasons he chose that name.
 
n8rockerasu said:
I haven't kept up on the finer points of this issue. Is it 100% based on the name "Redskins" being offensive? Or does it also delve into the use of a Native American mascot entirely? I thought the Atlanta Braves had some controversy several years ago, but we're not hearing about that anymore. Between Atlanta, Cleveland Indians, Florida State Seminoles, etc. Those are all now ok?

If so, they could change the name to "Warriors" (Washington Warriors even sounds decent) and leave much else unchanged. If it's bigger than that, I don't really think it's fair to single Washington out unless those other teams lose their trademark too.
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This.

I've been saying for over a year to change the name to Warriors and keep everything else the same. Colors logo font. The guy is really lost here.

And the other teams you mentioned, they have a problem with Cleveland's logo of the Indian face, not the name. And they take issue with the Tomahawk Chop in Atlanta now and nothing else.

St. John's realized "Redmen" was wrong and changed it almost two decades ago. I don't understand how Snyder doesn't get it.
 
Well, that's what I mean...if Indians, Braves, etc. are acceptable because they're "not derrogatory names", then yeah...the Warriors idea works...and at least the team keeps 95% of its identity. Seriously, the city's basketball team changed its name from the Bullets because they realized it was kind of irresponsible in an area known for its problems with crime. I tell ya, for the nation's capital, they sure did a shitty job naming the sports teams, lol :lol:

As for the cartoony Cleveland logo...that's where it starts to turn into a slippery slope for me. It's not like they depict him holding a bottle of whiskey or welcoming you to a casino (see, now [customspoiler='this']
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For that matter, any team named the Mountaineers (like my alma mater, haha) should have to change its logo/mascot/name if any of those mountain people actually had internet and knew how to file a petition, lol. If the only way they're comfortable with the logo is to make it very basic and boring, then the team shouldn't be named after them.

 
The refs do not want to make any controversial calls that'll hurt somebody's feelings in this Browns game. There was a clear fumble on a kick return and they use the excuse that there's no video evidence of who recovered it to not overturn the call after Pettine challenged it, which I've never heard before.

Brian Hoyer had a solid start today, though never made any big plays to show why he's the clear starter. There was a big pass to Miles Austin that he should've caught, but the ghost of Greg Little still hangs around this team.

Craig Robertson actually did well on pass coverage, though I don't know if that's him or that he was covering a backup RB that went out for a pass. Donte Hitner definitely showed why he has that nickname and the defensive line looked great as expected.

Johnny Manziel did well for a rookie, as he showed the improvisation skills that he was well known for in college while also making some accurate intermediate throws. He still made some errors in judgment like not dumping the ball to an FB running a screen that was wide open and instead running a yard or two for the first down. WRs still dropped passes for him like Hoyer and Thigpen after him, so they have some big improvements to make there for next week's game. Charles Johnson and Taylor Gabriel were the two most impressive of their young WRs while MarQueis Gray was as impressive as he was last year as a TE/FB receiver.

The third-team defense had some nice pieces like Zack Diles, but not much else went well as they had penalties all over the place to give Kellen Moore many chances to get the go ahead score at the end of the game. They will have to step it up in the next few games if they're going to give Pettine and the FO a reason to shake up the roster with these undrafted rookies and practice squad guides on the final 53.

 
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Didn't know about that site, I do qualify and I follow a team out of market. I mostly go out to one local bar to watch the games though and I'm always guaranteed a TV for my game. It is slightly tempting though

 
I qualify and plan on getting it since I don't follow the local team. If you have DirecTV, Sunday Ticket starts at $240 for just the TV package and goes up to $330 if you want the computer, tablet, phone, and Redzone channel as well. $200 for streaming doesn't seem too bad as long as the stream quality is good.

 
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