CAGcast #125: Everything is Broken

Cheapy lets face it. Evveerryybody knows that the future of promotion is in video game forums. Dyack is just a smart guy who is inenting this new type of promotion. haha any who. Can I just say that this whole thing about how you never got an invitation from Microsoft pisses me off. It goes to show how Nelson and his community team has become a bunch of snobby fucks. I say that the CAG community starts a campaign to DESTROY Microsoft. I mean how can they snub Cheap Ass Gamer when, you, Cheapy have been so nice to them. And Wombat... as a fellow jew and a person with no German lineage what so ever I can totally agree that the people running XBOX are nazis. Except for Nelson Rodriguez. He is cool and Achievment Junkie is a good podcast.
 
Cheapy and Wombat, you should try to suspend your distaste for Japanese RPGs and give Chrono Trigger a shot. It's one of the most accessible JRPGs and probably the best thing coming out for the DS this holiday season.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Dyack is the President of a game development studio. There is no justifiable reason why he should be spending time and energy mixing it up on a gaming message board, especially considering that he's got a game coming out very soon that will have a huge impact on the success of his company. If he wants to take up issues which he feels are important to the gaming industry, perhaps he should have waited until several months after the release of Too Human.

If General Motors had a new car coming out which was getting some early negative press in car magazines and enthusiast message boards, do you think the President of GM would get on his computer and arguing with potential customers?

Whether its under the guise of some grand social experiment, or it's just plan insecurity, I think Dyack does his company (and its employees) a great a disservice by not having the willpower to just let it be. Maybe he step-down from his current position and and answer his true calling as an anthropologist.[/quote]


I couldn't disagree more. Game designers, as the author's of discoursivity, have a responsibilty to be aware of, and contribute, to the development of the study of said discourse.

This of course can be placed in tension with a responsibility to a studio. However, the subject of this particular conversation revolves around the long term effects of the currect state of the relationship between NEOGAF (and similarly elegedly harmful entities) and the industry.

If Denis is correct (which is debatable, but certainly not without merit) then even as a company man, the long term survivability for SK is dependent on these problems being addressed now.

His position gives him a priviledged voice, and as an academic I applude his motivation (if not his methods) of trying to open a valuable discussion.
 
Any chance we'll be able to revert to the pop out player for the embedded podcast? since this one only allows you to play and pause...one accidental click and I lost my place.
 
Instead of "our top men are working on X" they need to take a page from Futurama and use the phrase, "top voodoo economists."

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At least their shit doesn't break every six months, though.
 
3 things I want to say

1. Love CAG 2.0

2. Completely agree with pretty much everything Denis Dyack had to say on gaf and on 1up yours.

3. PS3 Firmware 2.4 works fine for me, except that SSHD wont update, so still have no trophies :(
 
I don't think it is a question fo agreeing or disagreeing with Dyack. It is a question of motive, why did he do it? If the boards praised his games he would be singing a different tune right now. He is just preying on people's discontent with certian forums to justify his pile of crap. Don't be fooled by his forum verison of WMDs, when all he really wants is your oil money.
 
[quote name='Wombat']I don't think it is a question fo agreeing or disagreeing with Dyack. It is a question of motive, why did he do it? If the boards praised his games he would be singing a different tune right now. He is just preying on people's discontent with certian forums to justify his pile of crap. Don't be fooled by his forum verison of WMDs, when all he really wants is your oil money.[/quote]

In a post-structuralist world motivation for academic criticism really isn't relevant.

What is important is if the content of the question is valuable.

I parsed his arguement like this.

1. NEOGAF's stated goal is to provide an open (in terms of both freedom and liberty in the truest sense) forum for discussion about video game.

2. NEOGAF's posted rules are intended to maintain this openess. These rules include but are not limited to protect rights of privacy and equally of it's users. The later of which is required for open discussion.

3. Those charged with enforcing the rules of NEOGAF do not equally apply these rules, which in turn creates a grossly uneven power dynamic between the users.

4. This uneven power dynamic limits the freedom and liberties of the users discriminating against user with dissenting opinions or those with little social captial. This negates any chance of open discussion, betraying the stated goals of NEOGAF.

5. History has shown that people in the long term will not tolerate life under this type of power dynamic. NEOGAF will be metaphorically "shut down" which in this case would likely come in the form of migration towards another mode of communication.
 
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[quote name='Wombat']I don't think it is a question fo agreeing or disagreeing with Dyack. It is a question of motive, why did he do it? If the boards praised his games he would be singing a different tune right now. He is just preying on people's discontent with certian forums to justify his pile of crap. Don't be fooled by his forum verison of WMDs, when all he really wants is your oil money.[/quote]

are you talking about his game? cuz Too Human ain't out yet. what if it's good? i think Dyack is good at creating controversy whether it was intentional or not. he had some good points in his rant even if some of his comments are completely wrong.
 
[quote name='LiK']are you talking about his game? cuz Too Human ain't out yet. what if it's good? i think Dyack is good at creating controversy whether it was intentional or not. he had some good points in his rant even if some of his comments are completely wrong.[/QUOTE]

I was being facecious about the pile of crap comments. I even said on the show that I am still looking forward to the game.
 
RE: Dyack

Dyack was a rambling mess for most of his interview and is clearly deflecting from the very real prospect that his game could be terrible and not worth the controversy and wait. I wonder if he would be as upset about the state of the internet and "reciprocity" in society if the pre/review had been positive. However, I do think he is absolutely right to bring to light the conversation on the awful banter and "bullying" attitude of a lot of forums and internet video gaming culture on the whole.

Great show!

Gideon
 
This week's podcast made me download the latest episode of 1up yours and listen to the denis dyack segment. I listen to probably a dozen podcasts, CAG being the only gaming one so it was interesting to hear for comparison purposes.

I do want to mention that the 1up podcast doesn't hold a candle to the cagcast, keep it up guys, very entertaining. To show that I am fair, the Amy Winehouse comment that introduced the Dyack segment was gold. I know that I don't have to bash another podcast to bring you guys up, but in the end IMO you guys have them stitched up.

Dyack is what something out of this world; he is one of those guys, which I know most of you knew in high school. He reads a lot and kind of smart but is a total social retard and cannot reconcile what he reads with reality. He went in to all this altruistic BS about he is all about his employees and his responsibility to them. He also mentions Peter Drucker and socially responsible business practices. I can't think of anything more irresponsible towards his employees than going on a public rant-storm on the eve SK's release of Too Human. Which is a IP that I can only assume has eaten up much of SK's resources and is something that will most likely make them or break them, or if not break them, delegate them into an even greater level of insignificance in the industry. I think in the end the core audience for this game (aka the hardcore gamer) will reserve judgment until more reviews are posted and trusted folks like cheapy, the bat, and the ships give us a low down.

Overall, it was as mind-numbing and ridiculous as Cheapy said it was, it was so full of nonsensical references to books and authors that they had to include a bibliography. I do feel bad for the PR person. They should open up a new position at SK, Senior VP in Charge of Handling Dyack, preferably someone with toxic waste experience.

I will give Too Human a chance, just like I would any game, in spite of Dyack's best efforts to get me to do otherwise. It does make you wonder if Dyack is out of his mind or is he really shrewd and this is his purposeful way of garnering more grass roots coverage of his game. Although my money is on the former and the latter is just a by-product.
 
[quote name='Wombat']I was being facecious about the pile of crap comments. I even said on the show that I am still looking forward to the game.[/quote]

ah ok, it's hard to tell without your voice, Wombat. ;)
 
I'm an old school gamer for the most part (haven't owned a system since N64) and I must say I took a bit of offense to the Chrono Trigger bantering. A time traveling horse? Call me a fanboy but I didn't find much humor on a topic that should have been discussed with at least a shred of importance. A franchise that has been stalled for eight or so years and has people creaming their pants could have made for a great Nintendo segment. All I'm saying is that this is a pretty big deal that could bring a true sequel to one of gaming's most beloved stories and it deserved some more coverage.
 
Guys you should really Give Yakuza (and September's NA release Yakuza 2) a shot. The game has one of the best stories I have seen in a game with excellent (not MGS4 Length.. well except the ending) cut scenes. Thing is though the game play is kinda repetitive and that might be off turning for a while but well worth the advancement of the story. The movie based on the game is as well. As you can probably tell I am a big fan. I find this game to be the best thing to come out of Sega since the Dreamcast.
 
[quote name='FecesBreath']I'm an old school gamer for the most part (haven't owned a system since N64) and I must say I took a bit of offense to the Chrono Trigger bantering. A time traveling horse? Call me a fanboy but I didn't find much humor on a topic that should have been discussed with at least a shred of importance. A franchise that has been stalled for eight or so years and has people creaming their pants could have made for a great Nintendo segment. All I'm saying is that this is a pretty big deal that could bring a true sequel to one of gaming's most beloved stories and it deserved some more coverage.[/quote]

You're right. But you see many people forget what kind of marriage this game is between the creater of final fantasy, the composer of Final Fantasy and the artists/creater of Dragonball Z.

I am also upset with all the people who say "duuuh who wants to play a remake duuuuuuuh". Very simple. Unless you want to play the PSX version that has extremely looooong load times or can find an original SNES copy of the game for less than 60 bucks WITHOUT the box an manual (The complete set can go anywhere from 90-150 bucks) from ebay or anywhere else I suggest you shut the fuck up (aimed at the whiners). Chrono Trigger is one of the best if not THE best RPG ever made. I have played this game as a ROM 10 years ago and never finished it. Then bought the PSX version of this game 5 years ago and still haven't finished it because it si such a long game. The game is made of pure quality unlike a lot of RPGs lately I have seen. On top of that this is a remake for a Moble console that I am sure everyone has. So how can you go wrong? I may be a fanboy of this game but I alway see the other side of the story to which I simply say, if you don't like/want a remake of this game then please get back in line and wait for something better to come out.

A few years ago a dude tried to make his own homebrew remake of this game in 3D graphics. The attempt was wonderful until Square Enix shut it down. This however sparked a large interest in a remake and I am guessing this has been in development since.

Since this game is a handheld port I can't wait to get my hands on it and maybe end my 10 year quest to finally finish this game given that I will be able to take it everywhere.
 
i hope Dyack Dies of a Heart Attack when he find out Too Human reviews turn out to be a 4 out of 10

Dyack, Jaffe and Cliffy'B should all do what they do best GAY PORN
 
Cheapy, I don't think that your argument about buying a game when it comes out(after pirating it) is valid. When a game is just released, you're usually paying a full retail price for it when you pick it up. However, over time the price goes down as the value of the game goes down. As you can see, a game loses its value over time. The reason that you pay $60 for Ninja Gaiden 2 on launch day as opposed to paying $40 six months later is so that you can have the game earlier when it is in high demand. As demand goes down, so does the price. It's a valuable thing to have a game before the release date, because so many people want the game, but have to wait until launch day to buy it. Because demand so high right before launch, the value of the game that you are pirating before launch day is most likely higher than that of a game you can buy legally on the day it comes out. I can maybe understand somebody pirating a game and buying it later for the same price that it was when they pirated it, but otherwise I still believe that pirating is wrong.
And Cheapy, if the interview is a bad interview because it's a train wreck, then the Real World is a bad TV show because it's about people who are train wrecks.
At first I just thought that Denis Dyack was just an outspoken guy, but after seeing more and more of him, it seems like he's just really whiny. If you watch the 1UP Show segment on Too Human, you see him making excuses all the time. What I'm now seeing is a guy who never learned to accept criticism. I really am not trying to bash him, but if he wants me to stop thinking of him as a whiner and complainer, he has got to stop posting on message boards, talking to the gaming press, and just in general not talk to the public. I don't think all game devs should do this, but Denis Dyack needs to let some other guy from SK do the talking.

Love the show, by the way :p.
 
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There has been zero confirmation that the Rock Band 1 songs will be downloadable content for free for Rock Band 2. It was mistakenly assumed by someone from IGN. I think the legal ramifications are too huge for this to be possible.
 
[quote name='krazy14kraz']Cheapy lets face it. Evveerryybody knows that the future of promotion is in video game forums. Dyack is just a smart guy who is inenting this new type of promotion. haha any who. Can I just say that this whole thing about how you never got an invitation from Microsoft pisses me off. It goes to show how Nelson and his community team has become a bunch of snobby fucks. I say that the CAG community starts a campaign to DESTROY Microsoft. I mean how can they snub Cheap Ass Gamer when, you, Cheapy have been so nice to them. And Wombat... as a fellow jew and a person with no German lineage what so ever I can totally agree that the people running XBOX are nazis. Except for Nelson Rodriguez. He is cool and Achievment Junkie is a good podcast.[/quote]
God I hate you.
 
That sucks that you guys can't get an appointment with Microsoft, I hope the real reason is a change in corporate marketing and just MS slighting the mid-major gaming sites. What ever the reason, there is no reason any CAGs should take out frustrations against Major Nelson, Nelson R, or any of the gamerscore blog guys. These kinds of decision typically come from people way further up the food chain that have no idea what those types of decisions have on the community.


I listened to 1upYours today like I always do and I have to agree with Cheapy. They wisely let Dyack hang his own rope. I agree with some of what he had to say about how different and more types of communication don't equate to better communication, and that people often hide behind the anonymity and lawlessness of message boards. But in this case the messenger may not be the right one to start the revolution. I agree that his ramblings, while well meaning on his part, are doing more harm to his company and I think the future of Silicon Knights rests on the sells of Too Human.

Also Cheapy, my guilty television pleasure is The Real World as well. One of my crowing achievments is sleeping with one the Real World/Road Rules alumni when she came to MSU on a speaking tour when I was in college.
 
[quote name='XXXplosive1']That sucks that you guys can't get an appointment with Microsoft, I hope the real reason is a change in corporate marketing and just MS slighting the mid-major gaming sites. What ever the reason, there is no reason any CAGs should take out frustrations against Major Nelson, Nelson R, or any of the gamerscore blog guys. These kinds of decision typically come from people way further up the food chain that have no idea what those types of decisions have on the community.


I listened to 1upYours today like I always do and I have to agree with Cheapy. They wisely let Dyack hang his own rope. I agree with some of what he had to say about how different and more types of communication don't equate to better communication, and that people often hide behind the anonymity and lawlessness of message boards. But in this case the messenger may not be the right one to start the revolution. I agree that his ramblings, while well meaning on his part, are doing more harm to his company and I think the future of Silicon Knights rests on the sells of Too Human.

Also Cheapy, my guilty television pleasure is The Real World as well. One of my crowing achievments is sleeping with one the Real World/Road Rules alumni when she came to MSU on a speaking tour when I was in college.[/QUOTE]

spill it i want a name and it better not be Eric Neiss
 
Hilarious show as always guys. When Cheapy said Tila Tequila had a Mongoloid head I almost shit. Although isn't that considered a racial slur to Asians? Oh well, she is a stupid bitch. Season three should just be her opening up a "Rub 'n' Tug". At least then she'd be guaranteed a happy ending. Hell, let Cronenberg direct it and maybe a talking anus will tell her who to pick and give her some heroin disguised as pesticide.
 
[quote name='ShinAkumA21']i hope Dyack Dies of a Heart Attack when he find out Too Human reviews turn out to be a 4 out of 10

Dyack, Jaffe and Cliffy'B should all do what they do best GAY PORN
[/quote]


They can only do so much... basicly eat and sleep programming and promoting... still only human
 
In response to Cheapy believing there isn't a problem if you buy the game later after pirating it first, tell me if this analogy works. If I try to steal a bottle of Coke, and am caught, I tell them I'll pay for it and do, am I free of any repercussions?
 
Hey Cheapy, I went to high school with Brittany, one of the last girls to be eliminated. Oh, high school rumors..:rofl:

Guys, I regret joining the cag facebook page because revealing his name has eliminated the last source of mystery surrounding the Wombat Enigma. I kinda felt the same way when the shipwrecks showed their pictures. I liked using my imagination to picture what they looked like and to make up fake real names for Wombat. Heck, it could've been a contest.
 
[quote name='Zip_Zap_Rap']I couldn't disagree more. Game designers, as the author's of discoursivity, have a responsibilty to be aware of, and contribute, to the development of the study of said discourse.

This of course can be placed in tension with a responsibility to a studio. However, the subject of this particular conversation revolves around the long term effects of the currect state of the relationship between NEOGAF (and similarly elegedly harmful entities) and the industry.

If Denis is correct (which is debatable, but certainly not without merit) then even as a company man, the long term survivability for SK is dependent on these problems being addressed now.

His position gives him a priviledged voice, and as an academic I applude his motivation (if not his methods) of trying to open a valuable discussion.[/QUOTE]

I'm an academic, too, so please take this as constructive criticism: Your writing will be a lot clearer if you stop using so many prepositional phrases. It will also sound a lot less snobbish.

I know it's a message board—I don't expect you to write perfectly. It's just that you obscure a legitimate point too much by calling yourself an academic and using words like "discoursivity" (which I can't find in the dictionary).
 
[quote name='Wombat']spill it i want a name and it better not be Eric Neiss[/QUOTE]

It was Jisela. Her and Dan from the Miami season were there together. Another time we had Coral, Cyrus, and Veronica, but I was only able to get a hug from Coral that time.
 
Seriously some Wombat love, don't take it the wrong way, I just like his opinions, and goofy-ness at times. (especially when he goes all crazy when he losses patience with one of Cheapy's long winded explanations).

Another X360 Red-ringed? why even support some company that gives you extra stress, when the entire product is suppose to help you release stress ?

Guess Wombat's already immune to all the faulty-ness of the Xbox's console. So cheer up Wombat, you have alot of silent supporters out there.
 
CheapyD and Shipwreck - Holy crap, you're going to LA again, and after listening to the old E3 CAGcasts, it seems like you never went to In'N'Out. Seriously, go there, best fast food in the nation, ask anyone who lives in California, Vegas, or anywhere else, it's the bomb.

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Seriously... it's the Mecca of fast food, you gotta go there once in your lifetime. I just hope you've had it before.
 
[quote name='AHEADAMUS'] using words like "discoursivity" (which I can't find in the dictionary).[/quote]

Spelling mistake should read "discursivity". Refering to Michel Foucault's notion of a Founder of Discursivity.

English is not my first language. Sorry if I'm being unclear.
 
Wombat, you really need to chill about Rock Band 2. Where did you hear that there are features you won't have access to unless you have the new instruments?
 
Great show.
I just want to correct your English terms. When you were discussing "bull balls" and such, you said it was good onomatopoeia, but it's actually alliteration. Onomatopoeia are words that mimic sounds such as "bang" and all those great 60s live action Batman TV graphics.
 
Cheapy, good call on the Major Nelson/Nelson theory. I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen down the road.

Also I know I'm a week late, but the winner of the first GS Card, SackSquatch sounded like BigFoot from the Stern show.
 
[quote name='Wombat']I don't think it is a question fo agreeing or disagreeing with Dyack. It is a question of motive, why did he do it? If the boards praised his games he would be singing a different tune right now. He is just preying on people's discontent with certian forums to justify his pile of crap. Don't be fooled by his forum verison of WMDs, when all he really wants is your oil money.[/quote]

Just because I agree with what he said, doesnt mean I think it was a good idea. I realize its not by chance that he comes out and does this a few months before his game comes out.

After listening to 1up yours again, he does come off a little self-righteous. Maybe his whole "social experment" bit is just sour grapes that people arent liking his game?
 
Just starting off this week's show. Cheapy, as soon as you mentioned both of your movie recommendations starred Viggo then I knew exactly what movies you were talking about.

I agree both Eastern Promises and History of Violence are fantastic. I actually think I liked Eastern Promises a little better but it has been a long time since I seen History of Violence.

Wombat, Bizarre Foods is crazy. I just started watching that show recently (that and No Reservations) and it's like a train wreck, it's hard for me to watch but at the same time I can't stop.
 
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I might be in the minority here, but being a new dad and gamer I enjoy hearing your adventures in parenting as well as all the video game/comic/movie discussions.

FYI Wombat, my daughter would not sleep by herself for about a month. She would only sleep while either my wife or I were holding her. We slept in shifts and I used my time to get in some gaming in the wee hours of the morning. Good Luck!

ObiBen
 
[quote name='Wombat']I don't think it is a question fo agreeing or disagreeing with Dyack. It is a question of motive, why did he do it? If the boards praised his games he would be singing a different tune right now. He is just preying on people's discontent with certian forums to justify his pile of crap. Don't be fooled by his forum verison of WMDs, when all he really wants is your oil money.[/QUOTE]


Comments like this and Cheapy's have me convinced you guys were only half-listening to the interview. He wasn't saying forums are the downfall of society. He was saying lack of responsibility is and forums are an example of this. He never claimed the was going to shut down NeoGAF, he wonder if their breaking of their own rule would cause their downfall. He never said people buy games or not base on a forum post, he did say that out of control forums/blog are affecting journalism as a whole (which I agree with).

I'll admit Dennis was pretty out there but I found the conversation to be quite fascinating and a nice break from the usual Beavis and Butthead routine many podcasts offer.

Also how do you know it is a "pile of crap"?
 
[quote name='usickenme']Comments like this and Cheapy's have me convinced you guys were only half-listening to the interview. He wasn't saying forums are the downfall of society. He was saying lack of responsibility is and forums are an example of this. He never claimed the was going to shut down NeoGAF, he wonder if their breaking of their own rule would cause their downfall. He never said people buy games or not base on a forum post, he did say that out of control forums/blog are affecting journalism as a whole (which I agree with).

I'll admit Dennis was pretty out there but I found the conversation to be quite fascinating and a nice break from the usual Beavis and Butthead routine many podcasts offer.

Also how do you know it is a "pile of crap"?[/QUOTE]


I have already answered the "pile of crap" question in this thread and I said on the show that I am looking forward to the game. And why does NeoGaf need to have standards? It is up to you to stop posting there if you are unhappy with the way they conduct forums, not thier responsibitly to change. Yes it would be a lousy business practice but they have no social responisbilty to do so.
 
Hey Cheapy,

If you like Cronenberg check out his earlier movie Spider, I believe it has Ralph Fiennes in it. Suspenseful film, less "Hollywood" than even Eastern Promises and a History of Violence. Almost Hitchcockian in a sense.

Also, would suggest In Bruges as well if you are a fan of Ralph Fiennes.
 
Cheapy, when you mentioned the Americans not knowing their Asians, I was reminded of this past weekend.
I was eating at my favorite sushi restaurant (aptly named, Go Go Japan :drool:) on Saturday, and this family of troglodytes comes in and orders three orders of fried rice, to go. I was appalled. I wanted to tell them there's a Panda Express next door, and perhaps that's where they meant to go. I half-expected them to be thrown out or laughed away. Sadly, no. The chefs were happy to oblige, although I'm sure they had a good laugh about it.

Who orders fried rice at a Japanese place? WHO!?
 
Cheapy and Wombat, I just wanted to say that you shouldn't be too worried about Diablo 3 not working on your Macs when it comes out.

Blizzard historically has always made their games work on both high end and very low end computers, and the requirements won't be too daunting. If you look at Starcraft II, the only thing it requires is a Directx 8 video card. :)

If you want to play Diablo 3 when it comes out, there shouldn't be anything stopping you hardware wise.

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And I have played MGS 4 all the way to the end of ACT IV, and have to say, while I agree with Wombat that they are long (they are) I wouldn't necessarily say they are drawn out or anything. As I have never played a MGS they explain things I never knew before.

But thats jsut me.
 
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