CAGLS: Madden 13 Gentlemen's League - We Finished! Thanks for Playing!

[quote name='Blade3D']You have been too lenient, not too nice[/QUOTE]

Tomato, tomato...wow, that saying really doesn't work in print form...

[quote name='jza1218']DooMane as near as we can tell.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. They did have another owner before him. But I'm pretty sure that guy didn't make any trades.
 
[quote name='Lexxon']But then one of the crazier INTs I've seen happened--Chancellor I believe it was, was behind the TE, and basically snached the ball from right in front of him. I'd be bullshit if that happened to me, lol.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I was screaming BS, believe me. Kaster was here, he'll back me up on that. The first fumble was bad enough, but then that wacky INT. both happening on drives where I was moving the ball pretty well. It was all downhill from there. :whistle2:/

GG man. Hopefully we get a rematch sometime..
 
[quote name='HooRox']Oh, I was screaming BS, believe me. Kaster was here, he'll back me up on that. The first fumble was bad enough, but then that wacky INT. both happening on drives where I was moving the ball pretty well. It was all downhill from there. :whistle2:/

GG man. Hopefully we get a rematch sometime..[/QUOTE]

offically maddened for sure
 
[quote name='jza1218']What really screws the Panthers is Jonathan Stewart's contract. They are locked into that for a long time.[/QUOTE]


I shudder to think how they'll ever get out of that mess. God bless the owner who ends up taking them.
 
[quote name='GamerDude316']I shudder to think how they'll ever get out of that mess. God bless the owner who ends up taking them.[/QUOTE]

I thought about volunteering for that mess but thought better of it. They can probably dig out a little next year if they cut some players but we're talking about some of their better players so they'd be worse on the field.
 
If someone does take over the Panthers contact me. I have a ton of cap space and will give you picks/good players that will cost you much less for your good players. A cap unloading you might say.
 
[quote name='Dark Rider']If someone does take over the Panthers contact me. I have a ton of cap space and will give you picks/good players that will cost you much less for your good players. A cap unloading you might say.[/QUOTE]

Ditto.
 
[quote name='Blade3D']I was thinking a team with cap space might want to trade for some of their more expensive/better players.[/QUOTE]

Yep. I am certainly interested in players like Ryan Kalil, Mike Tobert, and Chris Gamble all if which are probably making a large chunk of change.
 
well just got done playing mog felt good about the first quarter both starting defenses played well. after starters went out this game was his for sure. but i feel 100% good with my starts fleener might get moved to number 2 TE schefler is better i thin koffer all wise hes better but looking at the numbers i thoguht fleener would be my start but now im thinking not so much
 
ya not at all lol

wasnt opaying attention so mad the cowboys fired rob ryan worst mistake ever takes the 31st ranked defense and in 2 years they a top ten defense. so dumb. he will go the chiefs i bet. also i hope the cowboys bring n norc turner as the OC
 
[quote name='DVO21']ya not at all lol

wasnt opaying attention so mad the cowboys fired rob ryan worst mistake ever takes the 31st ranked defense and in 2 years they a top ten defense. so dumb. he will go the chiefs i bet. also i hope the cowboys bring n norc turner as the OC[/QUOTE]

Except that's not true. The Cowboys were 19th in YPG allowed and 24th in PPG allowed this year. Not to say it's his fault, but they aren't a top 10 defense.
 
That defense had a lot of injuries though, and several games the offense dug them into ridiculous holes in. I think even the most disgruntled Cowboy fan wouldn't say Rob Ryan was the big problem with the team.
 
[quote name='jza1218']Except that's not true. The Cowboys were 19th in YPG allowed and 24th in PPG allowed this year. Not to say it's his fault, but they aren't a top 10 defense.[/QUOTE]

u and ur number lol. either way hes a good coach
 
As promised, Dolphins going no where this season. After being down 10-0, I scored 24 unanswered to close out the first half thanks to 2 pick 6's. After that, didn't score a single point and lost 34-24. My offensive line is a fucking sieve.
 
So the Cowboys got kicked in the third quarter of our game for "excessive grieving". I don't think EA understands what that means.
 
There was one issue, and it happened right as he got booted. He's up 7-6 with a minute to go in the third and got stuffed on third and 2 on his own 28. He ran a no-huddle but never got the play off, since that's when he was dropped. I thought this was a no-go area for that type of thing. Now, for all I know he wasn't going to run a play, maybe just try and draw me offsides, but I don't know.
 
Haha that's exactly what I just sent to you in a PM.


Yea it said I got booted due to a network timeout. I was trying to move my guys around on that fourth down so maybe you would try to jump the gun but it kept freezing on me. Anyways PM was sent a short time ago.
 
All right, Ultimate Matt X now has a league invite. Sorry for not getting it out sooner. The Browns play the CPU Colts this week though, so you can join and play that game right away. Not sure what happened with Frankysox. Maybe he didn't pick up Madden after all.

Also, I guess I'll PM the other guy who posted in here yesterday about joining, since it doesn't seem he saw my response in the thread.
 
[quote name='DVO21']wut about neworlbush????????[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I wasn't really impressed with his response. The idea that ANY human owner is better than a CPU owner isn't the way I want to run this league. We've got enough members pushing the limits as it is.
 
[quote name='GamerDude316']We would like to submit this trade again. I've accounted for the cap issue raised before, my solution to that is listed at the end:

Bucs send

RB Doug Martin: 24 years old
86 OVR
87 SPD
95 ACC
83 ELU
84 CAR

contract:

3 years remaining, $3.2 M bonus

2013: $1.56 M
2014: $1.78 M
2015: $2.08 M


WR Vincent Jackson:

88 OVR
88 CTH
94 CIT
88 RTE
95 RLS
90 SPD
86 AWR

4 years remaining, $25 M bonus
2013: $9.31 M
2014: $10.61 M
2015: $12.29 M
2016: $14.47 M

Team cap space: $1.54 M (the original $1.98 M minus Eric Decker's 440K salary once that trade goes through.)

Ravens send

RB Ray Rice: 26 years old

96 OVR
91 SPD
97 ACC
93 ELU
95 CAR

2 years remaining, $7.66 M bonus

2013: $5.21 M
2014: $9.32 M

Ravens 2nd round pick

Ravens cap space: $13.87 M


In order to account for my cap space issue of $4.02 M (the $3.58 M plus Decker's contract), I would cut the following players if the deal was approved by the committee:

QB Dan Orlovsky: 1 year remaining, $1.2 M
TE Todd Heap: 1 year remaining, $1.72 M
DT Gary Gibson: 1 year remaining, $1.0 M
CB Myron Lewis: 1 year remaining, $510 K (contract is 710K and I incur a 200K penalty for him, so net 510K)

This would free up $4.43 M in cap space for me, enough to absorb Rice's contract. I would also still meet the minimum depth requirements at each position. If this satisfies the committee's concerns about my cap situation, then I request this trade be reviewed. Thank you![/QUOTE]

Trade Rejected

I sent this idea on to the committee, and I haven't gotten one positive response yet (in 4 responses) about needing to cut so many players to clear cap space.

I know this isn't your intent, and you wouldn't abandon your team, but you have to realize this is basically the same situation the Panthers put themselves in. They pushed themselves to the cap limit (and over it), without even having a full roster on their team.

The most agreeable response I got from a committee member was that you would need to replace the players you're cutting with low level free agents to put yourself back at 53 players. But nobody liked the idea of allowing a team to operate with less than 53 players as a means for clearing cap room.

Another member suggested that it might be in your best interest to just wait until the offseason when you have contracts expiring and see what your cap space looks like then. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, and I personally appreciate the thought and work you've put into the trade, but most everyone agreed that allowing this kind of thing just wasn't a good idea.
 
Replacing those guys with low level players was a thought as well, and 3 of those guys are 3rd stringers or worse, Heap is the only one who has or would see the field all year. I guess I just don't see why it's an issue if I have 49 or 50 players for a week while I adjust my roster as long as I have the depth requirements at each position. There is nothing in the rules in the OP about having less than 53 players (obviously it is not ideal) as long as depth requirements are met. But if the committee feels that's best than I will respect that.
 
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[quote name='GamerDude316']Replacing those guys with low level players was a thought as well, and 3 of those guys are 3rd stringers or worse, Heap is the only one who has or would see the field all year. I guess I just don't see why it's an issue if I have 49 or 50 players for a week while I adjust my roster as long as I have the depth requirements at each position. There is nothing in the rules in the OP about having less than 53 players (obviously it is not ideal) as long as depth requirements are met. But if the committee feels that's best than I will respect that.[/QUOTE]

I say go cut and sign cheaper players now if you want the deal to go through. That way none of this is hypothetical and you will know if you have the cap space or not.
 
[quote name='GamerDude316']Replacing those guys with low level players was a thought as well, and 3 of those guys are 3rd stringers or worse, Heap is the only one who has or would see the field all year. I guess I just don't see why it's an issue if I have 49 or 50 players for a week while I adjust my roster as long as I have the depth requirements at each position. There is nothing in the rules in the OP about having less than 53 players (obviously it is not ideal) as long as depth requirements are met. But f the committee feels that's best than I will respect that.[/QUOTE]

Come on, man. Please don't use the "it's not in the OP" argument. As I've said before, it's next to impossible to think of every little thing that people could come up with to try to get what they want. Sometimes, you just have to address stuff as it becomes an issue. And we have had a similar case before (when the Pats and Jets were in discussions for the Brady/Revis trade), and most people weren't comfortable then with having to cut several players to get the trade to pass. But the Pats owner reneged on the deal anyway, so it was never put to the test.

I tried to keep an objective view in this trade though and recognize that free agency is open now and people are free to cut/sign players as they please. So, to ME, the bigger issue was fielding a team of 53 players...which is what every NFL team does. And I don't think it's unreasonable to not allow teams to fill their payroll on less than 53 players. If we were all operating under that principle, you would have seen teams cutting players left and right just so they could offer top free agents even more money. It's just not something that is in the best interest of the league.
 
I agree, add having 53 players on your roster during the regular season to the OP if need be (excluding the Panthers for now).
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']Come on, man. Please don't use the "it's not in the OP" argument. As I've said before, it's next to impossible to think of every little thing that people could come up with to try to get what they want. Sometimes, you just have to address stuff as it becomes an issue. And we have had a similar case before (when the Pats and Jets were in discussions for the Brady/Revis trade), and most people weren't comfortable then with having to cut several players to get the trade to pass. But the Pats owner reneged on the deal anyway, so it was never put to the test.

I tried to keep an objective view in this trade though and recognize that free agency is open now and people are free to cut/sign players as they please. So, to ME, the bigger issue was fielding a team of 53 players...which is what every NFL team does. And I don't think it's unreasonable to not allow teams to fill their payroll on less than 53 players. If we were all operating under that principle, you would have seen teams cutting players left and right just so they could offer top free agents even more money. It's just not something that is in the best interest of the league.[/QUOTE]

I can understand that, I'm just saying that given there has never been an official mandate of "you must have 53 players at all times" I didn't think it would be an issue for me to cut 3 scrubs and one overpaid backup TE. We are free to sign/cut players as you said so I could have just cut them before anyway.
 
[quote name='GamerDude316']I can understand that, I'm just saying that given there has never been an official mandate of "you must have 53 players at all times" I didn't think it would be an issue for me to cut 3 scrubs and one overpaid backup TE. We are free to sign/cut players as you said so I could have just cut them before anyway.[/QUOTE]

And if anyone was caught doing so, we would all have the same opinion that we do now, and it wouldn't be allowed. Come on, dude. At least have the decency to acknowledge that you're trying to exploit a loophole. Teams are supposed to have 53 players. That should be common sense. If people want to function outside of the realm of common sense, it gets a little difficult to pre-emptively disallow things. If your main gripe is really that it's not in the OP, I'll add it the next chance I get. It's a reasonable expectation...and one that we all should follow.
 
[quote name='dr0ppinL0adz']Jets send:

Matt Schaub, QB, 32 yrs old
7/7 years remaining. 62.3 Mil total contract, bonus of 12.6 Mil
2013: 4.62 Mil
2014: 5.47 Mil
2015: 6.57 Mil
2016: 8.01 Mil
2017: 9.87 Mil
Cut Savings: 2.82 Mil

Schaub's ratings:
OVR 86
THP 88
SAC 91
MAC 85
DAC 83
PAC 92
AWR 87

and

5th round pick - 2013


Vikings send:

1st round pick - 2013
3rd round pick - 2013

Vikings Cap Space: $8.09M

Reasoning:
Vikings need a QB.
Jets don't need Schaub. I like the versatility of Tebow a lot more.[/QUOTE]

Trade Approved
 
Has anyone taken the shit hole Panthers yet? I'm still listed as the owner in the OP...I might be up for the challenge if no one opposes.
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']And if anyone was caught doing so, we would all have the same opinion that we do now, and it wouldn't be allowed. Come on, dude. At least have the decency to acknowledge that you're trying to exploit a loophole. Teams are supposed to have 53 players. That should be common sense. If people want to function outside of the realm of common sense, it gets a little difficult to pre-emptively disallow things. If your main gripe is really that it's not in the OP, I'll add it the next chance I get. It's a reasonable expectation...and one that we all should follow.[/QUOTE]

Not trying to exploit any loophole at all. If you dont want teams having less than 53 players thats fine and I totally respect that, but it has never been said before so again I really didn't see any issue with having 49 or 50 players if it would keep me under the cap, especially asking the commish beforehand. The only expectation I've seen was to have at least the minimum number of players at each position as listed in the roster breakdowns in-game. But again I completely respect the decision and will be happy to keep Martin and VJax on my team.
 
[quote name='Cool_iAM']Chiefs vs Raiders going down @9est[/QUOTE]


If I can connect to XBL. This is the second time this has happened on a game I had scheduled:whistle2:(
 
Well, having Hillis and Richardson is nice. After one game I'm not sure if I want to move a RB, but I do have these needs:

-Defensive backs
-Offensive line
-Wide receivers

I'm open to offers including of those. I wouldn't be against giving up draft picks.
 
[quote name='staticz']Has anyone taken the shit hole Panthers yet? I'm still listed as the owner in the OP...I might be up for the challenge if no one opposes.[/QUOTE]

I think when it was brought up before, a couple people expressed that you were too good for this league. Although, if you can get an explanation out of Doom's brother for why he fucked up the Panthers so bad, that could sway my opinion, lol. That team is so messed up, the conspiracy theorist in me starts to wonder if it was intentional. I think even an explanation of "I don't get math" would suffice for me, haha.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I think when it was brought up before, a couple people expressed that you were too good for this league. Although, if you can get an explanation out of Doom's brother for why he fucked up the Panthers so bad, that could sway my opinion, lol. That team is so messed up, the conspiracy theorist in me starts to wonder if it was intentional. I think even an explanation of "I don't get math" would suffice for me, haha.[/QUOTE]

I think 47 players and -$3 million in cap space would make up for missing the playoffs since season 2 of last year in the other league (admittedly I'll most likely make it this season). It's up to you guys though.

As for why he did that, no idea. I can't even figure out what kind of team he was trying to build. Who the hell trades Cam Newton? Got me.
 
[quote name='staticz']I think 47 players and -$3 million in cap space would make up for missing the playoffs since season 2 of last year in the other league (admittedly I'll most likely make it this season). It's up to you guys though.

As for why he did that, no idea. I can't even figure out what kind of team he was trying to build. Who the hell trades Cam Newton? Got me.[/QUOTE]

Idk but I appreciated it.
 
FYI people: my dad (Pittsburgh) and I (Minnesota) are going to be out of town in Denver. I'll be back Sunday evening and he won't be back until Wednesday afternoon. While its somewhat unfortunate for the league, being in Denver for skiing and the playoff game is really really exciting for a Broncos fan like myself.
 
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