Chris Benoit kills wife, 7 year old son and then self.

[quote name='DJSteel']how?? Do you live near him? look my whole point is that Chris Benoit could have a really really nice guy that got mixed up with steroids and abused them to the point where he became so depressed that he did what he supposedly did.. so you are going to let mistakes and weaknesses define the person??[/quote]
You can say that about anyone... your idea is too utopian. By your logic, I can go to a jail and say, well none of these guys deserve to be here, they just got mixed up with the wrong people, did drugs, etc. Sure, tehy didn't have it easy, but they still had choices. Example: Pacman Jones, he has the chocie of hanging with his crew, adntehy bring him much heat, but he continues to befriend them.
 
[quote name='level1online']

Anyways, don't expect the "authorities" to have all the answers in regards to the murder. For all we know, they could have been in on it...

I mean, take a look at Columbine and Virginia Tech. At Virginia Tech, the place was already crawling with cops but were ordered to standdown, and at Columbine, SWAT waited 4 hours until they went in.
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just...wow...do me a favor get in your car drive down to the local mental hospital and check in...
 
[quote name='help1']You can say that about anyone... your idea is too utopian. By your logic, I can go to a jail and say, well none of these guys deserve to be here, they just got mixed up with the wrong people, did drugs, etc. Sure, tehy didn't have it easy, but they still had choices. Example: Pacman Jones, he has the chocie of hanging with his crew, adntehy bring him much heat, but he continues to befriend them.[/QUOTE]

That's the thing though. Up until this point, very few people had anything negative to say about Benoit. Sure, he was a loner, but all we've heard about him in the past ten years are good things: that he was a company man, hard worker, always helped the new guys (most recently MVP), and so on and so forth. You're taking what was said on the special (his kids were well behaved, they respected him, he was a tough man) and reading into it that he was publicly known as an abusive person. You're just looking for justification to say "I knew it!" at a point and time when nobody knew it, especially random guy on the internet #543549043.
 
[quote name='furyk']That's the thing though. Up until this point, very few people had anything negative to say about Benoit. Sure, he was a loner, but all we've heard about him in the past ten years are good things: that he was a company man, hard worker, always helped the new guys (most recently MVP), and so on and so forth. You're taking what was said on the special (his kids were well behaved, they respected him, he was a tough man) and reading into it that he was publicly known as an abusive person. You're just looking for justification to say "I knew it!" at a point and time when nobody knew it, especially random guy on the internet #543549043.[/quote]

Thats true, but you have to look at it both ways. We never knew who he was outside of the ring. Its as if I were to go to burger king everyday, and spy on a cashier and see they are a nice person to all and help out the new workers. Outside of burger king, they could have some real messed up problems that might be from poor decisions in their life.
 
[quote name='DJSteel']just...wow...do me a favor get in your car drive down to the local mental hospital and check in...[/quote]

I'm already here, we got free internet access. Come on down with your laptop, we got Wi-Fi. :bouncy:

Now stare at my dancing monkey...
 
[quote name='help1']Thats true, but you have to look at it both ways. We never knew who he was outside of the ring. Its as if I were to go to burger king everyday, and spy on a cashier and see they are a nice person to all and help out the new workers. Outside of burger king, they could have some real messed up problems that might be from poor decisions in their life.[/QUOTE]

Okay, but what you're doing is assuming that Burger King guy was always fucked up. For all we know, Benoit could have finally snapped after hearing that another of his old running buddies died like Biff Wellington. The simple fact of the matter is that we only know what we've been told about Benoit's personal life and so far it's been nothing but good other then the whole incident with Kevin Sullivan. Maybe we'll see that he had a huge closet full of skeletons. Maybe not. Time might tell, but probably not. I may just be deluding myself, but if I think that Benoit simply snapped over a ton of serious issues in his life and was otherwise a good man, I can sleep easier then knowing he was an abusive father and husband who had lost his sanity years ago.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']so umm.. was luger ever convicted of any charges? or was that just rumors..[/QUOTE]

He's still at large, running down anyone named Elizabeth with the Lex Express or his steel plated forearm.

But no, Lex never was convicted.
 
Lex was only arrested due to the pharmacy of drugs/steroids found at his home, not in connection with her death, despite what WWE tried to imply on a Confidential piece on her passing.
 
I'm curious, why is the wrestling industry plagued with mysterious deaths?

What steps have they taken to prevent these incidents?
 
[quote name='DJSteel']slain..that sucks...back to the steroid induced depressed suicide murder idea...[/QUOTE]


guess you was right about the suicide murder... Never thought he would kill them...
 
Just a shot in the dark here, but... you don't suppose that Benoit was the one who was supposedly on "death watch" shortly after Eddie's death, do you??? Not sure how widely reported that was at the time, but I remember reading about it on a wrestling site I frequented. Most people thought that it was Kurt Angle.

The main thing that doesn't line up about the rumor, though, is that the death would supposedly get huge mainstream news coverage in comparison to Eddie's passing. Still though, I was kind of creeped out when I remembered that old rumor just now. Anyone else remember reading about that?
 
I do remember reading that. Looking back, had it been Angle, I'm not sure they would have given him the title just a couple months after that. So if the report was true and not about Angle, it could explain why Benoit wasn't given much of a push in the last year and a half or so. This is just all speculation at this point though. It doesn't change the fact that this is all sucks so fucking much.
 
I think I've read this entire thread but it's been a rough 16 hours so I might have missed this but...

All of Benoit's merchandise has been pulled from the WWE.com shop. I don't remember if this was done for Eddie Guerrero but if it wasn't, it seems to be another indication that Benoit was the killer. Additionally, there was apparently an "I Did It" t-shirt for sale for awhile, referring to the terrible Vince is dead angle that is no longer for sale.

EDIT - This is still available however, no wonder it's the top seller. http://shopzone.wwe.com/product_detail.asp?CAT=TOPTEN&productId=10-00485

For all their money and power, I do not envy the McMahons at this point (well, not that I envied them ever really). Putting the pieces back together in some sort of coherent way is going to be very tough at this point.
 
from 1wrestling..

On Sunday, Benoit did not appear at Vengeance and was replaced at the last minute by Johnny Nitro. WWE did not announce in advance that Benoit was not going to appear because they were not certain whether he was en route to the show or if he remained home. At some point during the day on Sunday, Benoit apparently sent text messages (believed to have been to Chavo Guerrero) that concerned WWE officials and caused them to alert local authorities and to ask them to go to the Benoit home to check on the family.


Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard is quoted in the Atlanta Journal Constition as saying deails of the Benoit family murder-suicide are going to prove bizarre. Ballard was quoted as saying, "The details when they come out are going to prove a little bizarre."


hart family reacts...

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2007/06/26/4291381-sun.html

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don't know the details, and I'm not sure I even want to know," said Hart, just hours after learning of the discovery of Benoit's body - along with those of his wife and son - in his suburban Atlanta home.

"He was like a family member to me, and everyone in my family is taking it real hard.
"It's almost like reliving the whole Owen (Hart) death over again."


At a young age, Benoit, an Edmonton native, became a standout among many wrestling prospects who trained in the famed "dungeon" basement of the Hart family home in Calgary.
"Chris was always one of the good guys - a straight guy and a hard-working guy," Hart said.
"When you list off all the qualities of someone like Benoit, he had a lot of integrity and was a good, family man. "He was really respected and really loved by everybody."
Bret's older brother, Ross Hart, a producer and former part-time wrestler, further described the onetime "Canadian Crippler" as respectful, polite and very humble.
"We kind of adopted him when he first broke into the business in 1986," said Ross, adding Benoit was a huge fan of Stampede Wrestling and idolized the Dynamite Kid.
"He was a quick learner, fast on his feet and had natural strength and agility.
"We learned right away he'd be a natural talent."
And he's been an outstanding mentor to the next generation of Hart family wrestlers, said Ross and Bret's sister, Diana.
That's especially true of the last six months in Atlanta, where Harry Smith (son of the late Davey Boy Smith), Nattie Neidhart (daughter of Jim Neidhart), T.J. Wilson (Nattie Neidhart's fiance) and Ted Hart (Ross's nephew) had been training close to Benoit.
"My son Harry and the others have all been talking about all the great plans that were to come with Chris mentoring them," said an emotionally shaken Diana, the former wife of Davey Boy Smith.
"And they were all hoping of Bret coming back to have a Hart Foundation wrestling reunion. "This is all really hard to believe."
 
sites are picking up that wwe.com removed certain links from main page..

Mike Johnson at PWInsider.com reports that WWE has gone so far as to change the description of the dvd for Wrestlemania XX to show the main event as being Triple H vs Shawn Michaels.
 
With all Benoit merchandise being removed, all further tributes being cancelled (ECW and Smackdown is set to do normal shows, no tributes), I really hate to think that all of this is acting early before knowing the motive. I keep holding out hope that he didn't really do it. Should we continue this "memorial" topic? I really, really, really want to believe that he didn't do it :cry:
 
WTF? I go into work yesterday hearing nothing about this and then get home to find out Raw had been cancelled because of Benoit & his family dying. Seems the details as they come out are getting stranger & stranger. Just the fact that he waited two days to kill himself seems just bizarre.

BTW, Halo, that link to the product you posted is WM 23 product.
 
[quote name='Scorch']With all Benoit merchandise being removed, all further tributes being cancelled (ECW and Smackdown is set to do normal shows, no tributes), I really hate to think that all of this is acting early before knowing the motive. I keep holding out hope that he didn't really do it. Should we continue this "memorial" topic? I really, really, really want to believe that he didn't do it :cry:[/quote]

Maybe the "memorial" part to Chris can be put aside, but we could still discuss this situation and remember Nancy and their son. The only thing I can think of that might have made Chris snap (unless this was building up) is that he found out the boy wasn't his and couldn't take it. Why else would he kill the boy?
 
I would say that this topic should certainly continue. Whether or not it should be renamed is a different matter.

I mean look, CAG will have another wrestling topic after this one, if it gets started today (or anytime this week probably) it'll be all about Chris Benoit no matter what the title is.

EDIT - It's the WM 23 plaque that includes pictures of all the champions at the time, including Benoit as the US Champion. Upon first glance it looks like his autograph is on it. However, in the description, it doesn't mention Benoit as being one of the autographers.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Maybe the "memorial" part to Chris can be put aside, but we could still discuss this situation and remember Nancy and their son. The only thing I can think of that might have made Chris snap (unless this was building up) is that he found out the boy wasn't his and couldn't take it. Why else would he kill the boy?[/quote]

i highly doubt that.. the kid looked just like benoit.. but who knows...

any normal sane person would not kill a child..

edit.. and yea ecw.com has nitro back on the headline...guess its back to business tonight... the results are definitely not going to be good
 
No matter what happened. I still will miss him. He was a great wrestler and one of the only reasons i watched wrestling. I dont know what happened or why it happened, I will always remember him for who he was and not how he went out.
 
I'm tempted to head over to Wal-Mart and see if morbid people are buying up all the Benoit action figures. I have to go to the post office today, maybe I'll swing by.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Maybe the "memorial" part to Chris can be put aside, but we could still discuss this situation and remember Nancy and their son. The only thing I can think of that might have made Chris snap (unless this was building up) is that he found out the boy wasn't his and couldn't take it. Why else would he kill the boy?[/QUOTE]
His son looked just like him.
 
level1online, there haven't been all that many 'mysterious' deaths in wrestling, but there have been tons of heart attack-related ones. Sherri's recent passing is a mysterious one, as is Benoit's, but those are the only two that come to mind as being mysterious off the top of my head. Davey Boy, Hawk, Hennig, Bossman, Eddie Guerrero, Eddie Gilbert, Rick Rude, and Pillman had their lives ended prematurely by heart attacks while they were either around or not even at 40 years of age.
 
I just listened to Colin Cowherd on Sirius talking about professional wrestling and the Beniot situation ... that guy sure does like to hear himself talk.
 
[quote name='Halo05']Oops, some webmaster at WWE is getting fired for that. Christ, just put up the fucking RAW logo if you have to.[/QUOTE]
What happened?
 
[quote name='onetrackmind']I just listened to Colin Cowherd on Sirius talking about professional wrestling and the Beniot situation ... that guy sure does like to hear himself talk.[/quote]

He pulled that same shit when Eddie died. He just does it to create controversy and maybe earn a little attention.
 
It feels like William Regal knew something since he wouldn't say anything about Benoit personally and would only refer to him professionally.
 
[quote name='onetrackmind']I just listened to Colin Cowherd on Sirius talking about professional wrestling and the Beniot situation ... that guy sure does like to hear himself talk.[/quote]



No kidding. All he does is repeat his point about 10 times before moving to the next one. The guy is a piece of shit anyway.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']No kidding. All he does is repeat his point about 10 times before moving to the next one. The guy is a piece of shit anyway.[/QUOTE]
He's that sports radio ass, isn't he?

Virtually all sports radio "personalities" are like that -- but he takes the cake.
 
[quote name='Zen Davis']It feels like William Regal knew something since he wouldn't say anything about Benoit personally and would only refer to him professionally.[/quote]

Yeah, that was what I was saying earlier. It was nothing like Owen or Eddie. He almost had a look of disgust on his face.
 
Its really comical how uneducated he is on professional wrestling and it shows when he cant even get the terminology right. Anyways he just is saying how all wrestling fans are disgusting and a bunch of mouth breathers (i'm summarizing) and if we really cared we wouldn't support professional wrestling, but we are all too "stupid" to understand. Gotta love that mentality, this guy is a fucking idiot. I'll admit i'm having a great time laughing at this clown.
 
[quote name='Brak']He's that sports radio ass, isn't he?

Virtually all sports radio "personalities" are like that -- but he takes the cake.[/quote]

Yep. He really is an ass.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Yeah, that was what I was saying earlier. It was nothing like Owen or Eddie. He almost had a look of disgust on his face.[/QUOTE]
I believe Regal is one of the few to know Chris pretty well as they wrestled together throughout a large majority of both of their careers and he did look quite disgusted.

Then again though I doubt Regal would have known anything that Chavo or Malenko wouldn't have known considering those were his two closest friends in the company and they were probably the ones to receive text messages from Chris.
 
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