Cloverfield Movie Thread - DVD Out on April 22nd

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It's not a big deal or anything, but just FYI, those didn't appear to be nukes that they used at the end.
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Seriously why do people think a nuke hit it? I take it these people have never seen a movie where a nuke hit a city.

tsk tsk.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']Seriously why do people think a nuke hit it? I take it these people have never seen a movie where a nuke hit a city.

tsk tsk.[/quote]

yea, if it was a nuke, the camera would be nothing but ashes, and instead of seeing concrete blocks falling on it, we would just see static
 
[quote name='becuzimbrown']yea, if it was a nuke, the camera would be nothing but ashes, and instead of seeing concrete blocks falling on it, we would just see static[/QUOTE]


Actually, nothing would have been recovered as either the EMP would have flashed erased the card or the 1000+ degree flash explosion would have melted the camera and chip beyond recovery. The area would have been too "Hot" for even a recovery effort anyways.
 
I am going by what (I thought) the the military guy said. If the carpet bombs didn't work, the nukes were next. And (to me, at least) in a world where a bite from a monster makes a human body explode, a video camera can survive a nuke.


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Dat's only in da morning.
 
Now that I think about it I'm glad you don't get that good of a look but think they hyped the monster up to much. Hell the damn thing looked stupid from what I was able to see. At first I thought the way the camera was would suck but now I like it. Biggest issue I have is the movie started out really slow. I also like how they were taping over the best day of their lives. I still have mixed views about this movie.

Wasn't really clear to me or not but the two in the end did they die? You never see them die and for all we know they could just be hurt. Wonder if they will make a second one.
 
I saw Cloverfield today and I enjoyed it. It wasn't my favorite monster movie, but it's a lot of fun, and it's filmed from a very interesting perspective.

As for the characters dying, I don't think they did, since I doubt the military used the nuke. The fact the camera survived kind of proves the military didn't use the nuke.

My guess is that the military either killed the monster with conventional weapons, or the monster finally left Manhattan and went into the ocean.


I hope the monster just went into the ocean, I would love to see sequels set in different cities.
 
[quote name='hufferstl'] And (to me, at least) in a world where a bite from a monster makes a human body explode, a video camera can survive a nuke.

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Ok......

I am going to argue this sentence. The exploding stomach could have several explanations of why it happened. I personally would have thought it was a crude method for the creatures to reproduce...infecting the host and gestated for a short time until the internal organs ruptured and expelled more of those things as babies. No, I camera would NOT survive a detonation from a mile away. I am willing to accept certain things (except Rob and Company stupidity) but I will certainly not believe that a nuke hit the city nor that the camera/sd card survived the blast. It doesn't work that way.
 
[quote name='hufferstl']
I am going by what (I thought) the the military guy said. If the carpet bombs didn't work, the nukes were next.
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The "military guy" never said anything about nukes. In fact, the word "nuke" (and all variations thereof) is never uttered in the movie (and I listened to the entire "field hospital" scene immediately before writing this post, so I'm not going by days-old memories here).

Again, there is absolutely no evidence that they use a nuke, and tons of evidence suggesting that they quite specifically do not use a nuke.

If you want a detailed analysis that nearly irrefutably explains that no nuclear weapons are used in (or after) the movie, here ya go, copied from IMDb:

Specifically, does the U.S. Army use a nuclear weapon against the monster? Some reviewers have assumed they do. Although we never see the events after the rubble envelops the camera, the answer would appear to be no, for several reasons:

1. The two explosions that take place outside the tunnel, filling it with debris, appear to be from conventional weapons. A nuclear weapon would have produced a blinding white flash followed by a much larger "vaporizing-effect" explosion. Assuming the military was attempting a direct hit on the monster, and the monster was still nearby (meaning, still in the park with Rob and Beth), then Rob, Beth, the bridge, and the camera would have been completely vaporized, leaving no record.

2. The production team got all their geography and physics right. We can assume that had they intended to suggest a nuclear weapon, they would have portrayed it in the correct way, with the above-mentioned flash. The two distinctly separate explosions reinforce the idea that the filmmakers took great care with their effects.

3. Although the soldier refers to "level[ing] Manhattan," being "prepared to let this whole area go," and "Operation Hammer Down," no one uses the phrase "nuclear weapon." The military may have been prepared to go that far, but there is no evidence that they use nuclear weapons during the events depicted the film. Additionally even if the military had been prepared to use such weapons they do not control the use of nuclear weapons on the ground. It would have required direct Presidential action to authorize the use of a nuclear weapon.

4. The United States government would be extremely reluctant to use nuclear weapons to eliminate a threat on American soil. The blast would kill refugees in the surrounding boroughs and the additional problem of wide spread radioactive contamination, especially from a surface burst weapon, would have been unacceptable unless it was the absolute last resort.

5. There are a variety of large air dropped ordnance that would have been used before the deployment of a nuclear weapon. These include thermobaric weapons and fuel air explosives. Both of these use extremely large amounts of chemicals that rapidly react to produce tremendous quantities of heat and a large blast overpressure. Unlike nuclear weapons they do not produce radioactive fall out and their effects are generally far more limited in scope than most nuclear weapons.

6. In addition, the two explosions suggest multiple bombs falling upon Central Park. If a nuclear device was being used, it would seem pointless in dropping several bombs prior to the nuclear detonation that some people believe to be the ending. Also, multiple bombings (conventional then nuclear) would require several different jets in the air. In order to drop a nuclear bomb, a specific type of jet is require, to shield it from the EMP (electro magnetic pulse) generated from the bomb.

Were nuclear weapons used after the events depicted? That's unlikely. Again, a nuclear explosion would have destroyed the recording inside the camera. Even if the blast and fireball did not destroy the camera the electromagnetic pulse would have destroyed the recording.
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[quote name='CoffeeEdge']
The "military guy" never said anything about nukes. In fact, the word "nuke" (and all variations thereof) is never uttered in the movie (and I listened to the entire "field hospital" scene immediately before writing this post, so I'm not going by days-old memories here).

Again, there is absolutely no evidence that they use a nuke, and tons of evidence suggesting that they quite specifically do not use a nuke.

If you want a detailed analysis that nearly irrefutably explains that no nuclear weapons are used in (or after) the movie, here ya go, copied from IMDb:
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Thank you Coffee Edge.

People get wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too excited about nukes being used against monsters.
 
Did anything show up after the credits? I just can't get over how slow this movie was at the start. If it wasn't for that it would have been a really good movie I think.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']Thank you Coffee Edge.

People get wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too excited about nukes being used against monsters.[/quote] I wouldn't be surprised if Hammer Down was something like this.
 
I thought when he said level the city they were talking about a nuke. Then after they showed them carpet bombing I just thought that was it. So couldn't it be the carpet bombing they were talking about when he said they would level the city?
 
[quote name='sendme']I thought when he said level the city they were talking about a nuke. Then after they showed them carpet bombing I just thought that was it. So couldn't it be the carpet bombing they were talking about when he said they would level the city?[/quote]
Why would they drop a nuke before droping our most powerful conventional bomb?
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']Why would they drop a nuke before droping our most powerful conventional bomb?[/QUOTE]

I only thought they were going to drop a nuke because of talking about leveling the city. Then I saw the carpet bombs at thought that was what they were talking about. Just like I had said in my last post. Isn't that what they usually do when they talk about leveling a city in the movies? If I wanted to level a city thats what I would drop.
 
[quote name='sendme']I only thought they were going to drop a nuke because of talking about leveling the city. Then I saw the carpet bombs at thought that was what they were talking about. Just like I had said in my last post. Isn't that what they usually do when they talk about leveling a city in the movies? If I wanted to level a city thats what I would drop.[/QUOTE]
Okay, not to sound rude, but quite frankly, I don't care what you think. They never said anything about nukes, and there is no visible or logical evidence suggesting they dropped a nuke.

I don't want to hear any more about nukes, people. Check my previous post. It's all there, black and white, clear as crystal. The evidence against this idea is enormous, so please, there is really no need to further discuss it.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Okay, not to sound rude, but quite frankly, I don't care what you think. They never said anything about nukes, and there is no visible or logical evidence suggesting they dropped a nuke.

I don't want to hear any more about nukes, people. Check my previous post. It's all there, black and white, clear as crystal. The evidence against this idea is enormous, so please, there is really no need to further discuss it.[/quote]

I have to agree with a few of the others here who think they were referring to a nuclear bomb. Just the words Hammer Down signifies one mighty blow, which lends a lot of credence to a nuclear bomb.

Plus, the Air Force was already using the B-2 earlier in the movie, and I see no reason why another couldn't have been fitted with a nuke after the first launched.

You have to look at all the firepower the military used against it up to that point: M-16s, rocket launchers, tanks, missiles from fighters and bombs from a B-2 Spirit. If we had used all that against it and it didn't put a scratch on the thing, why would they assume a bigger traditional bomb would make any difference?
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']I have to agree with a few of the others here who think they were referring to a nuclear bomb. Just the words Hammer Down signifies one mighty blow, which lends a lot of credence to a nuclear bomb.

Plus, the Air Force was already using the B-2 earlier in the movie, and I see no reason why another couldn't have been fitted with a nuke after the first launched.

You have to look at all the firepower the military used against it up to that point: M-16s, rocket launchers, tanks, missiles from fighters and bombs from a B-2 Spirit. If we had used all that against it and it didn't put a scratch on the thing, why would they assume a bigger traditional bomb would make any difference?[/QUOTE]
Okay then, explain to me how the camera and/or SD card wasn't incinerated, if they dropped a nuke within a couple miles of it.

If you think that they'd be able to recover anything like that from nuclear ground zero, then you know nothing about what a nuclear blast does.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Okay then, explain to me how the camera and/or SD card wasn't incinerated, if they dropped a nuke within a couple miles of it.

If you think that they'd be able to recover anything like that from nuclear ground zero, then you know nothing about what a nuclear blast does.[/quote]

We're also talking about a movie where a 60-foot monster is tearing the shit out of New York City. You have to be able to suspend your belief to have fun with it. Plus, look at all the crap the camera went through and still filmed perfectly fine. Who's to say it couldn't survive a nuclear bomb?

If they were going to hit it with a nuclear or traditional bomb that would "level the city," the chances of that camera surviving would be next to zero anyway.

And why would the military play the warning sirens if all they were going to do is drop some really big bombs? Did you notice all the firepower they were hitting it with up to that point, and they didn't use any giant voice signals.

3. Although the soldier refers to "level[ing] Manhattan," being "prepared to let this whole area go," and "Operation Hammer Down," no one uses the phrase "nuclear weapon." The military may have been prepared to go that far, but there is no evidence that they use nuclear weapons during the events depicted the film. Additionally even if the military had been prepared to use such weapons they do not control the use of nuclear weapons on the ground. It would have required direct Presidential action to authorize the use of a nuclear weapon.
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Also, in the third reason that you quoted before, you have to realize that the military uses a lot of slang words and other jargon, so just because they don't outright say they're going to drop a nuclear bomb, doesn't mean that wasn't what they had planned to do.

Plus, the on-scene commander would most certainly know the plans to level the city, especially if it were a nuclear bomb. Sure, the order would come down from the president, but you'd be silly not to think that the commanders on the ground wouldn't be in constant communication with everyone from the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff to the president.

This is something we can probably all argue about for a long time, but it might be something we never find out for sure.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']
We're also talking about a movie where a 60-foot monster is tearing the shit out of New York City. You have to be able to suspend your belief to have fun with it. Plus, look at all the crap the camera went through and still filmed perfectly fine. Who's to say it couldn't survive a nuclear bomb?

If they were going to hit it with a nuclear or traditional bomb that would "level the city," the chances of that camera surviving would be next to zero anyway.

And why would the military play the warning sirens if all they were going to do is drop some really big bombs? Did you notice all the firepower they were hitting it with up to that point, and they didn't use any giant voice signals.

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Also, in the third reason that you quoted before, you have to realize that the military uses a lot of slang words and other jargon, so just because they don't outright say they're going to drop a nuclear bomb, doesn't mean that wasn't what they had planned to do.

Plus, the on-scene commander would most certainly know the plans to level the city, especially if it were a nuclear bomb. Sure, the order would come down from the president, but you'd be silly not to think that the commanders on the ground wouldn't be in constant communication with everyone from the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff to the president.

This is something we can probably all argue about for a long time, but it might be something we never find out for sure.
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Okay then, so if it was a nuke that went off, then why was the last glimpse of footage clearly depicting a plain ol' thermal bomb explosion? The two look drastically and immediately different, ya know.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']
Okay then, so if it was a nuke that went off, then why was the last glimpse of footage clearly depicting a plain ol' thermal bomb explosion? The two look drastically and immediately different, ya know.
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CoffeeEdge is right people. Multiple explosions and lack of white flash do not a nuke make.
 
No Nuke. The reverse says as known its still alive.

There is no way a nuke woul dbe used in this due to the radiation, and casualties they would cause. The city is gone.
 
I have to say from what was being said, I assumed nuke.

Yes, the explosion was not nuke.

And if it would have been, the camera, and or tape would not have survived.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']I wouldn't be surprised if Hammer Down was something like this.[/QUOTE]

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Argh... I said that several pages ago...and even that IMDB Cloverfield FAQ believed it was too... a thermobaric bomb.

It would minimize civilian deaths and limit the city destruction to a few city blocks instead of leveling the city.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']I have to agree with a few of the others here who think they were referring to a nuclear bomb. Just the words Hammer Down signifies one mighty blow, which lends a lot of credence to a nuclear bomb.

Plus, the Air Force was already using the B-2 earlier in the movie, and I see no reason why another couldn't have been fitted with a nuke after the first launched.

You have to look at all the firepower the military used against it up to that point: M-16s, rocket launchers, tanks, missiles from fighters and bombs from a B-2 Spirit. If we had used all that against it and it didn't put a scratch on the thing, why would they assume a bigger traditional bomb would make any difference?[/quote] Because our biggest traditional bombs have yields comparable to our smallest nuclear bombs.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Okay, not to sound rude, but quite frankly, I don't care what you think. They never said anything about nukes, and there is no visible or logical evidence suggesting they dropped a nuke.

I don't want to hear any more about nukes, people. Check my previous post. It's all there, black and white, clear as crystal. The evidence against this idea is enormous, so please, there is really no need to further discuss it.[/QUOTE]

Damn it I'm not saying they used nukes. What I'm saying is that I thought they were going to but then saw them carpet bomb and said to myself Oh thats what he was talking about. When he said level the city I went from think "Oh they are going to nuke it." To "Oh thats what he was talking about" when I saw them carpet bombing. So by level the city at the end of the movie I thought he was talking about the carpet bombing and NOT A NUKE. So to me he was talking about CARPET BOMBING. Does that clear up what I was thinking or are you going to still think that I think they droped a nuke. Also no a nuke was not droped. You can tell that the government has the tape and the camera from the start of it. If a nuke was dropped they would not have that.
 
[quote name='sendme']Damn it I'm not saying they used nukes. What I'm saying is that I thought they were going to but then saw them carpet bomb and said to myself Oh thats what he was talking about. When he said level the city I went from think "Oh they are going to nuke it." To "Oh thats what he was talking about" when I saw them carpet bombing. So by level the city at the end of the movie I thought he was talking about the carpet bombing and NOT A NUKE. So to me he was talking about CARPET BOMBING. Does that clear up what I was thinking or are you going to still think that I think they droped a nuke. Also no a nuke was not droped. You can tell that the government has the tape and the camera from the start of it. If a nuke was dropped they would not have that.[/QUOTE]
Ah, misunderstood your post. Sorry.
 
its ok. I still think when they were talking about leveling the city it was the carpet bombs. They said it would be at 0600 and they left just around 0600. Also carpet bombing could level a city with enough bombs.
 
[quote name='sendme']its ok. I still think when they were talking about leveling the city it was the carpet bombs. They said it would be at 0600 and they left just around 0600. Also carpet bombing could level a city with enough bombs.[/quote]

Now why would the Air Force carpet bomb the entire city when the monster itself only takes up about a 20-30 feet area?
 
Maybe the monster had a nuke-cancelling-out power that you guys don't know about and that is how the tape survived. You guys can't prove that it didn't!
 
[quote name='hufferstl']Maybe the monster had a nuke-cancelling-out power that you guys don't know about and that is how the tape survived. You guys can't prove that it didn't![/QUOTE]


OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote name='Grave_Addiction']Now why would the Air Force carpet bomb the entire city when the monster itself only takes up about a 20-30 feet area?[/QUOTE]

Don't know but they did carpet bomb. Atleast that is what it looked like they did to me and that could level a city. Sure it would be stupid to do it that way when they have other ways to level a city but they guy said 0600 they were going to level the city and they left the city just around that time.
 
I always assumed that the tape was buried beneath the rubble and perhaps somehow the explosion or something sealed it in.

Similar to ancient villages and how lava perfectly preserved the ancient cities and paintings and whatnot.
 
[quote name='sendme']Don't know but they did carpet bomb. Atleast that is what it looked like they did to me and that could level a city. Sure it would be stupid to do it that way when they have other ways to level a city but they guy said 0600 they were going to level the city and they left the city just around that time.[/quote]

That really wasn't carpet bombing in the traditional sense. It was only one B-2 that dropped maybe 6-8 bombs.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Well Godzilla is able to absorb nuclear energy, it's his main power source. ;)

Still I think we're right, there is no way that the final bomb was nuclear bomb, and we've shown what the final bomb most likely was.

I can totally understand why someone would think the final bomb was a nuke (when I was watching the movie when I first heard Hammer Down I thought it was a nuke, but changed my mind at the end of the movie), but the fact the camera survives when the monster was only a few thousand feet away at most when the bomb is dropped pretty much proves it wasn't a nuke.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']Well Godzilla is able to absorb nuclear energy, it's his main power source. ;)

Still I think we're right, there is no way that the final bomb was nuclear bomb, and we've shown what the final bomb most likely was.

I can totally understand why someone would think the final bomb was a nuke (when I was watching the movie when I first heard Hammer Down I thought it was a nuke, but changed my mind at the end of the movie), but the fact the camera survives when the monster was only a few thousand feet away at most when the bomb is dropped pretty much proves it wasn't a nuke.[/QUOTE]


Yea but this ain't Godzilla nor is it America's Godzilla.

Well I really think I am not going to see this movie again.... everytime I even think about going to see it again (to see if I missed any clues or whatnot), I feel kinda queezy. :puke: Dunno why. I even thought about going, and playing my sega hand held for the first 20 minutes and not look at the screen and see if avoiding the whole rob's party cam is what made me sick to begin with. Seriously I have never felt that sick before after watching a movie.
 
You are all mistaken, he did not say "Hammer down". He said, "Hammer of Dawn".

They used this:
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I like the motion sickness reports. CNN was hillarious, Sanjay Gupta suggests those with motion sickness close their eyes. Better yet, put your money towards the soundtrack instead of a movie ticket.
 
I'm going to go and try an see this again tomorrow. I really enjoyed it the first time I saw it, and loved the monster. The whole movie is worthwhile to see, especially just for the monster. I think that the director/JJ Abrams should have done this Cloverfield and inconjunction to it, a Cloverfield 1.5 or 2 shown from a more conventional sense of the events of that day from a military perspective. It would have helped with those that had difficulty with the motion sickness in the film. I have to admit that I, myself, had to get used to the camera at first in the first 20 minutes of the movie. From there, the camera becomes manageable - even if it is bobbing up and down.
 
To throw in my quick two cents about the "Hammer Down protocol," just as it seems coffeeEdge and other mentioned, i don't think they dropped a nuclear yield bomb. To me, the explosions at the end were similar to what you see in the videos for a mother of all bombs, or the more recent Russian version - the Father of all Bombs, or that they were dropping massive amounts of napalm ont he creature. I haven't kept up with this topic, so I have no idea if anybody mentioned this, but the ending bombing run seemed very reminiscent to the napalm scene in 28 weeks later. I don't believe that the military attempted a napalm attack/run on the creature at any point during the movie, so perhaps this end run was such? Anybody else think that it possibly could have been massive amounts of napalm perhaps?
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']To throw in my quick two cents about the "Hammer Down protocol," just as it seems coffeeEdge and other mentioned, i don't think they dropped a nuclear yield bomb. To me, the explosions at the end were similar to what you see in the videos for a mother of all bombs, or the more recent Russian version - the Father of all Bombs, or that they were dropping massive amounts of napalm ont he creature. I haven't kept up with this topic, so I have no idea if anybody mentioned this, but the ending bombing run seemed very reminiscent to the napalm scene in 28 weeks later. I don't believe that the military attempted a napalm attack/run on the creature at any point. Anybody else think that it possibly could have been massive amounts of napalm perhaps?[/QUOTE]



Makes you wonder if the military thought at one point to try toppling buildings over and burying the mother fucker for a few hours to get everyone else out of the city, then unleash the fireworks :)
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']Makes you wonder if the military thought at one point to try toppling buildings over and burying the mother fucker for a few hours to get everyone else out of the city, then unleash the fireworks :)[/quote]
Considering it was knocking over buildings left and right, I doubt that they'd think at any point that they could "bury" it under buildings.

Should've called the EPA with that big ol' protective dome. :)
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']Makes you wonder if the military thought at one point to try toppling buildings over and burying the mother fucker for a few hours to get everyone else out of the city, then unleash the fireworks :)[/quote]

I guess they could have theoretically, but wouldn't it have made more sense for them to send in either the helicopter gunships or the fighter jets and have them missile some of the skyscrapers surrounding the creature at any point? Perhaps lead him into some bottleneck?

I don't know, though I see a lot of where the inspiration came for some of the movie's scenes. I swear, that last bombing run seemed so reminiscent of the napalm attack run at the end of 28 weeks later, or perhaps the napalm bombing sequence in Apocalypse Now.
 
[quote name='Scorch']Should've called the EPA with that big ol' protective dome. :)[/quote]

Seriously if they just made a movie with that. You know. A super serious movie with monsters n' stuff.. and suddently! In comes the dome! :D
 
I am not going to read the entire thread, too much bitching back and forth. I just wanted to know if anyone had the low down on the advertising strategies they had for the movie. Specifically the fake yet real looking myspace pages, corporation web pages, etc. It helped make the characters and situations feel more palpable.
 
[quote name='paddlefoot']I am not going to read the entire thread, too much bitching back and forth. I just wanted to know if anyone had the low down on the advertising strategies they had for the movie. Specifically the fake yet real looking myspace pages, corporation web pages, etc. It helped make the characters and situations feel more palpable.[/QUOTE]
"Low down"? What do you want to know, exactly?
 
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