Comic Book Discussion Thread (Marvel, DC, Image, Dark Horse, Top Cow, IDW, Indy, etc)

I'm not even sure where I'd start when it comes to the TMNT series.  The "reboot" looks amazing, but sadly not being available in HC makes me reluctant to pick it up.  Partly, in hopes of IDW deciding on releasing it in HC in the future, but I doubt it.  The Ultimate Collection would be the easiest to collect and most appealing to me.  Then you have The Works series, which is already hard to find in HC form and lacks some of the extras the Ultimate Collection has to offer.  IDW isn't even sure they'll release the whole series colored and might stop at volume 3.

 
Dokstarr said:
Speaking of sketches - what is the protocol for getting a sketch from someone? I see the blank sketch variants for sale and always wonder how people get the nice sketch? I of course love my Shredder sketch, but I see people online with their "nicer" sketches, and wonder how that worked.
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It depends on the artist. Some will not do it, some will do a certain amount of convention sketches for a fee, some will sketch for free. If they are a somewhat known artist they usually charge about $20 for a convention sketch. Some will book commissions early, so you can pick them up at the convention. I know some other people have more experience with this, than me though.

billyrox said:
Has anyone submitted any of their comics to the CGC?

Want to submit a few comics and not sure how it works and how much it costs.
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99/100 times CGC isn't worth it. If you tell me what issues they are, I can tell you if you should even bother. If they make that cut, then if you post a pic or scan, I could tell you if it is worth it.

 
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I recommend going the CGC if you're going to sell to a bunch of rubes. And VGC is even worse.

I found an Alf #1, CGC graded! And some idiot decided to slab a few issues of Gunsmith Cats!

If you worried about the condition of your most treasured comic books that badly, donate them to a museum.

 
detectiveconan16 said:
I recommend going the CGC if you're going to sell to a bunch of rubes. And VGC is even worse.

I found an Alf #1, CGC graded! And some idiot decided to slab a few issues of Gunsmith Cats!

If you worried about the condition of your most treasured comic books that badly, donate them to a museum.
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I'm generally against slabbing comics, but if he has a high grade/value golden or silver age book, I would recommend it. You shouldn't dismiss all grading, since it can guarantee/add value or provide a small amount of security with the tracking info.

 
Well, Spider-Man 2099 #1 was good enough for me to stick around for #2. Miguel being in the present kind of takes some of the fun out of it, but I loved the art and the idea of potential run-ins with other heroes or current villains gives me some hope. I'm not sure if I should stick with it month-to-month, though. Marvel cranks out TPBs much faster than DC, and they're usually cheaper than the single issues. I've even considered dropping Deadpool in favor of trade waiting, but we'll see. Does marvel even have any monthlies that are under $3.99 anymore? Even DC's $2.99 books are dwindling, seems like.

I've fallen behind on my reading again, so I've got a couple of tall stacks to work through. Most of it seems to be Superman: Doomed tie-ins. Had no idea that crossover would last this long!

 
Any thoughts on Sex Criminals Vol. 1? Never read a Image Comic series and want to get into one. Unless there is another better starting series that can get me hook to Image..?

 
TooMuchCoolness said:
Any thoughts on Sex Criminals Vol. 1? Never read a Image Comic series and want to get into one. Unless there is another better starting series that can get me hook to Image..?
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It's good, but I like the series Sex better.

If I had to pick any image series though I like Black Science best followed by Deadly Class.

And I only say that cause Sex probably isn't for everyone.
 
Eh, Invincible is still far and away the best Image title or possibly even the best superhero comic out there. In fact, it maybe the best superhero comic book in the universe. After that I'd go Deadly Class at least for current ongoing.

 
JP said:
Not sure if any else has been reading it but Ultimate FF failed utterly throughout but that last issue was a hot mess. Jesus.
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I read the last issue the other day. I don't usually rip on comics but this series was so bad it deserves to be trashed. Between the writing and art someone at Marvel should be fired for allowing this book to see print. I have honestly seen better produced comics done by self-publishers. The fact that this series has the Marvel logo on it should be an embarrassment to the company.

 
cool they're continuing  with superior spiderman pretty cool (granted its before he died)loved doc ock spiderman

 
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Picked up Multiversity. I Don't know what's going on, but the interiors are fantastic and I'm always curious to see what Morrison will do so...SOLD!

 
Just found out today that the new TMNT series is finally getting the HC treatment.  Link.

Collects the first 12 issues with the micro-series spliced in there.  Seems like they're doing it properly from the start. I've been reluctant at attempting to collect anything until now, but this'll make a good starting point without any hesitation. 

 
dm85 said:
Just found out today that the new TMNT series is finally getting the HC treatment. Link.

Collects the first 12 issues with the micro-series spliced in there. Seems like they're doing it properly from the start. I've been reluctant at attempting to collect anything until now, but this'll make a good starting point without any hesitation.
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Oh, nice! Thanks for the heads up.

I already own the first tpb, and the digital versions of volumes 2, 3, 4 and 5 - but the first was a gift and the others cost me 99 cents each, so I'll likely go ahead and buy the IDW collections as they release. They can end up being pretty valuable, too. I remember getting over $100 each for my IDW Transformers hardcovers on ebay, which was great because I really ended up hating the series.

 
TooMuchCoolness, another Image title to consider would be Manifest Destiny.  It's a pretty safe bet you haven't read a book quite like this before.

 
poison_SHADOW said:
Oh, nice! Thanks for the heads up.

I already own the first tpb, and the digital versions of volumes 2, 3, 4 and 5 - but the first was a gift and the others cost me 99 cents each, so I'll likely go ahead and buy the IDW collections as they release. They can end up being pretty valuable, too. I remember getting over $100 each for my IDW Transformers hardcovers on ebay, which was great because I really ended up hating the series.
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Glad to be of use.

neocisco said:
TooMuchCoolness, another Image title to consider would be Manifest Destiny. It's a pretty safe bet you haven't read a book quite like this before.
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Is your avatar from Ironclad?

 
Okay, so Batman Beyond universe is now my favorite comic at the moment. It's the one I fell most behind on, having not read a single issue until the last couple of days. Blew through those twelve issues very quickly. It's a love letter to the old DC animated universe, focusing so much more on that continuity than the previous few Beyond limited series did. 

Those volumes always felt too far removed from the cartoons, and it seemed like the writers were trying to make it both a continuation of the DCAU but also the New 52, even mentioning the existence of Batman Incorporated at one point.

Universe, though, (or 2.0 as the digital chapters are titled) focuses solely on the DCAU and brings the old guard back to the forefront. It's at the expense of some of the other supporting characters (Max has only made a cameo up to this point, and Terry's family have also been seen only once or twice) but seeing elderly Bruce, middle-aged Dick and Barbara interact on a regular basis is great. Kyle Higgins has a lot of fun writing an older, one-eyed, battle-hardened Grayson too.

On the Justice League end of it, the stories have been nothing short of epic. I initially bought this book only for the Batman half, but the JL segments are by far my favorite part. The return of the Justice Lords was great, and it's crazy to think that this is how things ended up after Justice League Unlimited ended.

I'll end up buying the trade paperbacks after I sell my single issues. It even has me interested in getting the previous volumes of Superman Beyond and Justice League Beyond, because I skipped those entirely when the were first released.Didn't expect to like that iteration of the team, they never really seemed all that great on the cartoon. They've grown on me a lot, though.  

EDIT: ...and of course I just found out that there will no longer be a Justice League 2.0 segment since the writer left to focus on a tv project.  fuck ! Oh well. The last chapter is a pretty effective ending without any cliffhangers. Fairly upbeat, too.

 
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poison_SHADOW said:
Okay, so Batman Beyond universe is now my favorite comic at the moment. It's the one I fell most behind on, having not read a single issue until the last couple of days. Blew through those twelve issues very quickly. It's a love letter to the old DC animated universe, focusing so much more on that continuity than the previous few Beyond limited series did.

Those volumes always felt too far removed from the cartoons, and it seemed like the writers were trying to make it both a continuation of the DCAU but also the New 52, even mentioning the existence of Batman Incorporated at one point.

Universe, though, (or 2.0 as the digital chapters are titled) focuses solely on the DCAU and brings the old guard back to the forefront. It's at the expense of some of the other supporting characters (Max has only made a cameo up to this point, and Terry's family have also been seen only once or twice) but seeing elderly Bruce, middle-aged Dick and Barbara interact on a regular basis is great. Kyle Higgins has a lot of fun writing an older, one-eyed, battle-hardened Grayson too.

On the Justice League end of it, the stories have been nothing short of epic. I initially bought this book only for the Batman half, but the JL segments are by far my favorite part. The return of the Justice Lords was great, and it's crazy to think that this is how things ended up after Justice League Unlimited ended.

I'll end up buying the trade paperbacks after I sell my single issues. It even has me interested in getting the previous volumes of Superman Beyond and Justice League Beyond, because I skipped those entirely when the were first released.Didn't expect to like that iteration of the team, they never really seemed all that great on the cartoon. They've grown on me a lot, though.

EDIT: ...and of course I just found out that there will no longer be a Justice League 2.0 segment since the writer left to focus on a tv project. fuck ! Oh well. The last chapter is a pretty effective ending without any cliffhangers. Fairly upbeat, too.
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Wait...are you saying there are comics continuing the JLU universe that existed on the CN show back in the day? Please clarify, because I loved that show.

 
dm85 said:
Wait...are you saying there are comics continuing the JLU universe that existed on the CN show back in the day? Please clarify, because I loved that show.
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Yup. The BTAS, Superman TAS, Justice League and Justice League Unlimited and Batman beyond universe. It takes place in the Beyond era.

This one is the start of the continuation, starring only the Batman characters. It's so/so.

Industrial Revolution was the follow-up, and it also was just average. This is where the Justice League starts to pop up.

10,000 Clowns is EXCELLENT.

Batgirl Beyond finishes the volume, and is also really good.

Running concurrently to those last two volumes (without affecting their story in any real way) were the following:

Justice League Beyond: Konstriction

Superman Beyond (one volume only)

JLB: In Gods We Trust is the end of this volume.

Those last three are the ones I haven't read, but hope to buy soon. Aside from Max's new position in the Batman Beyond segments, though, you can jump straight into Batman Beyond Universe/Justice League 2.0 and be able to figure things out as it goes along. The only thing I missed by skipping them is that I have no idea where the hell they picked up Mr. Miracle. It definitely follows up from the cartoons. Warhawk, for example, is the son of John Stewart and Hawkgirl from JLU. Bruce Wayne and Wonder Woman were at one time in love with each other, as in the cartoons. They do flashbacks to specific episodes too, though most of it is on the Batman Beyond half.

If you'd want to buy my copies, shoot me a pm. It'd save me the hassle of using ebay. I've got the whole series so far, or at least up to #12. I have no idea if #13 is out yet or not, but from that point on there apparently won't be anymore Justice League chapters anyway.

Hope this helped!

 
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Sin City: Dame to Kill For (the movie) was not very good. Eva Green constantly being nude or near nude though elevate it to movie of the year though!

 
poison_SHADOW said:
If you'd want to buy my copies, shoot me a pm. It'd save me the hassle of using ebay. I've got the whole series so far, or at least up to #12. I have no idea if #13 is out yet or not, but from that point on there apparently won't be anymore Justice League chapters anyway.
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I'll have to pass for now. Not sure if I'm invested enough to purchase the comics. Btw, are you selling the singles or some type of TPB editions?

 
bardockkun said:
Sin City: Dame to Kill For (the movie) was not very good. Eva Green constantly being nude or near nude though elevate it to movie of the year though!
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How would you compare it to the first?

Would any of you guys be interested in buying some marvel digital codes? I've got Silver Surfer 1-4, 100th Anniversary Avengers and the digital version of the Infinity hardcover. PM me if interested.

 
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How would you compare it to the first?

Would any of you guys be interested in buying some marvel digital codes? I've got Silver Surfer 1-4, 100th Anniversary Avengers and the digital version of the Infinity hardcover. PM me if interested.
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I Liked the first alot. The second...has alot of problems. Dame to Kill For (outside of Eva Green) was easily the weakest of the stories I think partially due to all the recasting and Brolin just doesn't have the charm and likeability of Clive Owen for the character of Dwight. The first film did a great job of bringing the viewer into the world while maintaining a charm and coolness while looking fresh, the second just felt corny in nearly everyway. Majority of the characters returning from the first film really served no purpose other then to kill people and try and look cool doing (that's all Marv's role is in this one is and him and his growing mullet are in alot of the movie) and really there just seemed to be a lack of care in this film. Joseph Gordan Levitt's story I feel came the closest to reaching something similar to the first movie in it taking it's time and focus on the character who has a drive and motivation and comes off as likeable. I Really wanted to like the movie overall, but it feels like Rodriguez and Miller were in this for a fast paycheck, but it's literally 10 years too late.

Also I got to say that they try to sex up on Jessica Alba as much as they can in this (she has like...seven or so dance numbers with different outfits), but she just pails in comparison to Eva Green (playing Eva) who just fully commits to the character. You can see how and why Eva does the things she does and you can believe (at least in the world of Sin City) this character.

 
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You understand the recasting is actually in the book? You can still think Brolin was the wrong choice but it was for a reason.
 
dm85 said:
I'll have to pass for now. Not sure if I'm invested enough to purchase the comics. Btw, are you selling the singles or some type of TPB editions?
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That's fine, no problem. They're the individual issues. It looks like they'll be splitting up the Batman and Justice League portions into separate collections like with the previous limited series, and it looks like the first volumes aren't being released until October/November. I'll definitely pick those up, assuming I've unloaded the singles by then.

 
DestroVega said:
You understand the recasting is actually in the book? You can still think Brolin was the wrong choice but it was for a reason.
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I Know, I also know that
he undergoes plastic surgery to look like a "specialist" for Eva, but that doesn't change the fact his character is no where as likeable or after his "surgery" the only difference is that now he's wearing a terribly greasy looking wig that's trying to look like Clive Owen's Dwight from the first movie. The shitty wig choice isn't on him, but Owen set the stage for the character that he kinda has to follow suit, but instead it was Brolin doing "his take".

 
I found this Comics Journal interview with Jack Kirby: http://www.tcj.com/jack-kirby-interview/ And it's very exhaustive, and it does scrape away the godhood we have given to the Marvel creators. Jack Kirby does indeed sound like a rebel or a jerk, as he doesn't seem to take orders well, even if for a moment. However, he's likeable nonetheless. His views on why he decided to get as far away from the Lower East Side reminds me of a quote of what Richard Price said about the neighborhood, something along the lines of "the whole point of living in the [LES] is to get the fuck out there asap," and that is true for a lot of immigrants even today, even if it is an integral part of Chinatown.

Now, he starts to bash at Stan Lee for his extremely minimal contributions to the universe that Kirby created. All the 60s heroes? Jack Kirby practically created them, because he needed a job and Marvel needed to stay in business. Despite the negativity, he does admit that Lee is a great marketer and businessman, but it's pretty much lip service. Add this to the pile of interviews and such that will really sour you to your worship of Stan Lee.

There's also a moment in the interview about Spider-Man, and about how he also created the character or just the abstract concept. He never actually goes into specifics, but he gives props that even though he thought of a Spider Man, it was Steve Ditko that did everything to give that character shape and form. I didn't really know that, but it still reinforces that Ditko made Peter Parker who he is.

Whether anything in the interview is REALLLLLY true or not, it's quite an interesting read, and you will learn a lot about Jack Kirby the man.

Thankfully these old issues are pretty cheap on line and are always worth a read if you do find them.

 
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detectiveconan16 said:
I found this Comics Journal interview with Jack Kirby: http://www.tcj.com/jack-kirby-interview/ And it's very exhaustive, and it does scrape away the godhood we have given to the Marvel creators. Jack Kirby does indeed sound like a rebel or a jerk, as he doesn't seem to take orders well, even if for a moment. However, he's likeable nonetheless. His views on why he decided to get as far away from the Lower East Side reminds me of a quote of what Richard Price said about the neighborhood, something along the lines of "the whole point of living in the [LES] is to get the fuck out there asap," and that is true for a lot of immigrants even today, even if it is an integral part of Chinatown.

Now, he starts to bash at Stan Lee for his extremely minimal contributions to the universe that Kirby created. All the 60s heroes? Jack Kirby practically created them, because he needed a job and Marvel needed to stay in business. Despite the negativity, he does admit that Lee is a great marketer and businessman, but it's pretty much lip service. Add this to the pile of interviews and such that will really sour you to your worship of Stan Lee.

There's also a moment in the interview about Spider-Man, and about how he also created the character or just the abstract concept. He never actually goes into specifics, but he gives props that even though he thought of a Spider Man, it was Steve Ditko that did everything to give that character shape and form. I didn't really know that, but it still reinforces that Ditko made Peter Parker who he is.

Whether anything in the interview is REALLLLLY true or not, it's quite an interesting read, and you will learn a lot about Jack Kirby the man.

Thankfully these old issues are pretty cheap on line and are always worth a read if you do find them.
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That's how reality usually is once the sugar coat is worn off. We'll never really know how much say Stan Lee had in helping create classic characters and how they were developed. Unless, of course, he admits all out of guilt. There is something that should be kept in mind though. A random podcast I listened to brought up a good point. Even if Kirby was creating most of the content, Stan Lee may have had quite a bit of say on what was used and how to focus it. Never underestimate having a good manager so to speak to keep you in line.

Another thing I noticed, is how some people feel certain artists did some of the their best work while working with Stan Lee. That right there tells me he wasn't just some guy giving orders and taking credit for work he had no hand in creating.

Of course, I didn't click the link your provided or ever bothered to read up on the controversies that exist with Stan Lee and his past, so I'm posting from a place of ignorance. *shrugs*

 
dm85 said:
That's how reality usually is once the sugar coat is worn off. We'll never really know how much say Stan Lee had in helping create classic characters and how they were developed. Unless, of course, he admits all out of guilt. There is something that should be kept in mind though. A random podcast I listened to brought up a good point. Even if Kirby was creating most of the content, Stan Lee may have had quite a bit of say on what was used and how to focus it. Never underestimate having a good manager so to speak to keep you in line.
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Oh I don't underestimate it. Look at how the restrictions placed on James Gunn for Guardians of the Galaxy made it awesome!

But reading the interview, Jack Kirby was one to never take orders, which was why he kept flip flopping between publishers during the Silver and Bronze Age, he got really pissed when they had Curt Swan redraw his Superman heads. I do believe some of his ideas were shaped by the others and Stan Lee in the bullpen, considering he couldn't have balanced family life and creating all those pages of work why else would they have other artists at Marvel.

Anyway, I am reading Wizzywig by Ed Piskor, who collaborated with Harvey Pekar a lot in the old days. It's practically about a crash course in hacking when we didn't have high speed internet and colorful graphics. http://comicsalliance.com/ed-piskor-wizzywig-portrait-of-a-serial-hacker-review/

 
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Oh I don't underestimate it. Look at how the restrictions placed on James Gunn for Guardians of the Galaxy made it awesome!

But reading the interview, Jack Kirby was one to never take orders, which was why he kept flip flopping between publishers during the Silver and Bronze Age, he got really pissed when they had Curt Swan redraw his Superman heads. I do believe some of his ideas were shaped by the others and Stan Lee in the bullpen, considering he couldn't have balanced family life and creating all those pages of work why else would they have other artists at Marvel.

Anyway, I am reading Wizzywig by Ed Piskor, who collaborated with Harvey Pekar a lot in the old days. It's practically about a crash course in hacking when we didn't have high speed internet and colorful graphics. http://comicsalliance.com/ed-piskor-wizzywig-portrait-of-a-serial-hacker-review/
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All that Kirby stuff is really old news (also totally true) and most deep end comic guys do not like Lee at all because of the stuff Kirby and maaaany others has said about him. Still, what are you going to do? He's like the deadbeat dad of modern comics in a lot of ways where Kirby was the oddly supportive stepdad. He gets most of the credit and if it wasn't for his marketing and trying to convince people in the old days that comics were the future they probably wouldn't be where they are now. You did bring to mind The Comics Journal books with that link though, I think everyone mildly interested in the creative process or comics industry should look into picking up the collected editions of those interview articles as not all of them are available on the site. I have three of them that focus on writers and artists in the 70's, 80's, and one that's a mix of the laaaaate 80's and early 90's and they're fucking great reads. I recently reread through the 70's edition after GotG because it included Steve Gerber in it and I forgot how entertaining the interviews were! Most of the interviews are stories about how these writers and artists got put on the titles they did or how they developed their storylines, but Gerber's is literally just about the people he hates in Marvel and DC's bullpens. It's fucking great. The way Gerber acts kind of gives off a Phil Fish vibe with how he just has pure hatred for his former coworkers. Claremont and Moore's interviews are also really good. Claremont's gives a really nice history to his X-Men (along with telling about how Gerber and many others thought he was a pussy for not totally spelling it out that Wolverine slept with Jean Grey before Cyclops did - also something that Millar took and did in his Ultimate X-men run) and Moore's basically talks about how he has a ton of stuff in mind involving time travel and nuclear war (totally teasing ideas seen later in Watchmen).

Reading these interviews is almost more entertaining to me than reading comics from the time, so I'm super looking forward to more interviews like these hopefully being made in 20 yearsish so we can see people like Brubaker, Rememender, DnA, and Ellis shitting all over Marvel and Bendis or people at DC hating on Geoff Johns.

Lately I've been rereading Brubaker's Cap (it's perfect) and also reading every What If? related thing that Marvel has ever put out. I've read through most of the golden/silver age stuff and I'm beginning to feel a bit fatigued so I'm switching over to the Noir stuff for now.

 
That Golden Age stuff is not good for modern audiences. I get headaches reading the original Wonder Woman, and don't get me started on the Everett collection by Fantagraphics.

 
I Like the Silver Age stuff mostly for the simple fun of it all, though when i say that I really just mean old Spidey and Fantastic Four. Otherwise I can't hate on the golden age because it's such a hilariously simple time of how politically incorrect majority of the stories were. That and how a page or two of a comic could be a full issue in this day and age with how they write it. Also this...

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I didn't see sin city 2 yet. I had high hopes, but I have never liked Josh Brolin. The first movie was the best storylines, so I could see how this could easily go over the top with over acting/film noir elements. JGL was in a movie called "Brick" that was a modern film noir, so maybe he knew how to play it...

Jack Kirby. One of the greats that I wish I could have met. Stan Lee, I haven't met and I don't really feel the need to. He was editor in chief, so he took credit for the characters, but realistically Kirby at least co-created most of them. Thing is Kirby BTW.  I didn't read the article, though I probably read it when it was originally printed. Kirby is one of my favorite artists since he is s self made man and realistically his art IS The Silver Age of Comics.

Wait, Why is Frank Miller racist? (I've done a couple google searches and it seems like Miller bashing is what fanboys do now to make a name for their "blogs".)

I've started reading IZombie. I've been a fan of Allred since the Creatures of the Id, Dead Air, Grafik Musik days and I noticed he did the art on these, so I picked them up from the library. I guess I am out of touch because I hadn't heard of it. I would love to find a girl like Gwen...

 
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Wait, Why is Frank Miller racist? (I've done a couple google searches and it seems like Miller bashing is what fanboys do now to make a name for their "blogs".)
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Though I'm still a fan of his work pre 2000's, his work after is just so damn easy to criticize or point out faults. Kinda like Frank Miller becoming a parody of himself.

Also JGL's story in Sin City ironically enough is also the best one in that movie. Although the ending of it left alot to be desired, I still enjoyed it more then the other two, Eva's body not counting.

And Mike and Laura Allred are fucking awesome. Met them a few years back and they were every bit as fucking cool as I hoped they'd be. Main reason I'm enjoying Silver Surfer.

 
I figured everyone is upset about holy terror, but I just don't see the problem with it. Frank Miller's main characters think in black and white. His Batman and Marv are the same way. "The Fixer" follows his predecessors. This was supposed to be a propaganda piece and I think he accomplished what he was looking to do. Halfway through he decided it wasn't something batman would do, so he retooled it. I haven't heard him say anything outright racist, but it is possible I've missed it.

I met the Allred's, but I was nervous. I embarrassed myself. lol I rarely get nervous when meeting "famous people", but I wasn't as cool as I normally am around them. I'm usually alright unless I really admire them, then I tend to fall apart. I'm surprised I kept it together when I met STERANKO. He has a Rat Pack kind of coolness about him...Or like Hugh Hefner used to be. I just remember thinking, "This guy is 70 years old and he is still cooler than I ever will be." haha

 
detectiveconan16 said:
It's Jack Kirby's birthday today, and Stan Lee will take all the credit.
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...Har har?

Man, I'm gonna miss Lemire's Green Arrow. After reading the last issue, though, it ended on a high note which is exactly what you'd hope for with a run like that. The end set up a really great new direction, assuming the new writer doesn't decide to unravel it all immediately.

Now I'm just eagerly awaiting the Green Arrow Futures End one-shot, 'cause I'm dying to see where Lemire thought Ollie's universe would be in the future.

 
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