Dang Gum! Mizzari Has The New Nintendo Playstation!

I don't understand it either. I have all the consoles, and they all have something to contribute. Having any off them fail just means less competition and fewer games -- two things that aren't good for us gamers.
 
It's natural to want to see someone at the top fall and fall hard. Has Sony made some mistakes? Absolutely. Are they doomed? Probably not.

I'd rather see all three succeed because the more they have to fight for your business, the better games and benefits we will get. You think xbox live would be what it is today if they had no competition? Perhaps these Sony missteps will make for a more level playing field which is by all means the best case scenario for us. I hate not and own all three.
 
[quote name='whoknows']Doesn't the sky only appear to be blue because of the ocean? But isn't the ocean really not blue? If I get a cup full of ocean it looks pretty clear to me and not blue.

It just doesn't make sense. :whistle2:k[/quote]

dude, you just blew my mind.
 
[quote name='Richlough']Sorry but I have this to add , take it however .
Walmart in Monroe, MI .

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No PS3's to be found there either .[/QUOTE]

Rich, You should have stopped in Canton today.

Walmart on Ford Road and Target on Fordboth had availlable stock this afternoon. As did Target on Warren in Westland.
 
for those wii owners bashing the ps3 and its owners about having only one good game...I wonder if they've taken a look at their own roster of current and upcoming games?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
So, my question, directed at those people who think the OP here is an awesome dude who has all the right ideas: why do you want *any* company to fail? Why do you want Sony to fail this generation? What benefit will you get out of it?

I don't understand this cheerleading, unless it's just some schmucks who want to pretend they were trendsetters that rightly predicted the "next generation leader," even though they had nothing to do with the trend being set. I look at my PS2 collection, and I think of the games I wouldn't have had the chance to play if the PS2 failed. No Disgaea, Shadow of the Colossus, God of War, Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy X, X-2 and XII, and countless other RPGs, SRPGs, adventure titles and games I've never played. I think "well, if Sony failed, I'd have never played a majority of these titles. It's not a given that ANY of those games would have come out regardless (except for your super-franchises, like Final Fantasy), so nobody can feasibly claim "well, they would have been on GC of Xbox anyway," because that's just not true.

So, to those who desire the demise of Sony's gaming division, let me ask you this: what do you stand to gain, what do gamers stand to gain, if the PS3 is a major league failure?[/quote]

well its simple, those games you listed, they would have gone on another system. They wouldent stop existing, well not most of them. If the ps3 does well, thats the system that will mostlikely get the games. I think too many people dont want pay 600& to get a system with good games, so if the ps3 does SOOOO bad, all the devs will have to fess up and go on another system or swallow the sales loss if they put it on a ps3. Also sony acted like a popus jerk for about a year now, with a big stick up their butt. They deserve every negative thing that happens to them. Call it karma.

imascrub, i think alot of nintendo fans are worried and afraid of game support. It a unspoken fear... but, if they can force the ps3 to become doa with bad press ect..., who gets the games from japan? mostly the wii. the 360 will get some, but alot of jap devs are still unsure about it.

They got greedy with blue ray. They dident do it for us, they did it for them. They have alot invested in blue
ray, and even if the ps3 is a sinking ship, as long as it gets them blue ray, the could give a fuck.
 
[quote name='White-Wolf']well its simple, those games you listed, they would have gone on another system. They wouldent stop existing, well not most of them. If the ps3 does well, thats the system that will mostlikely get the games. I think too many people dont want pay 600& to get a system with good games, so if the ps3 does SOOOO bad, all the devs will have to fess up and go on another system or swallow the sales loss if they put it on a ps3. Also sony acted like a popus jerk for about a year now, with a big stick up their butt. They deserve every negative thing that happens to them. Call it karma.

imascrub, i think alot of nintendo fans are worried and afraid of game support. It a unspoken fear... but, if they can force the ps3 to become doa with bad press ect..., who gets the games from japan? mostly the wii. the 360 will get some, but alot of jap devs are still unsure about it.

They got greedy with blue ray. They dident do it for us, they did it for them. They have alot invested in blue
ray, and even if the ps3 is a sinking ship, as long as it gets them blue ray, the could give a fuck.[/quote]
Mykevermin write a fantastic, intelligent post and you reply to it with this mess of crap and a half?

Don't you dare say those games would simply have been made on another system, he even said that in his post.
WTF are you on?

You think if the PS3 dies, then the Wii will get all it's games?
It's impossible to create the visions devs plan for the PS3 on the Wii.
Look at how underpowered the Wii is in that regard. Would you ever see and drive with your Wiimote, photo-realistic cars such as those in GTHD?

Just as it's impossible to create the same game experience on the PS3 as CERTAIN Wii games.

This is why Nintendo fans are stupid if they're ONLY Nintendo fans.
They, and you need to open up, play some damn games.


I'm with you mykevermin, I can't understand why anyone would want a company to fail.
Which is why I get so irritated when people want better movie formats like BD and HD-DVD to fail.
 
And with that last good post I think we need a thread lock or an OP ban or something of that nature.

Mods, please make it happen, make 2007 a year with less trolls.
 
I don't want Sony to fail I just want them to get their asses handed to them for a while. Failure of Sony means that I will be a one console guy. I'm not buying the garbage that M$ puts out.

They got cocky thinking the public would rush out and buy a system for $600 because it has Sony Playstation written on it. They were wrong. So IMO the best thing that could happen to Sony this gen is a nice fat third place finish.

If they do make a lot of money off of the PS3 can you imagine what they will charge for the PS4?
 
[quote name='Blitz']I don't want Sony to fail I just want them to get their asses handed to them for a while. Failure of Sony means that I will be a one console guy. I'm not buying the garbage that M$ puts out.

They got cocky thinking the public would rush out and buy a system for $600 because it has Sony Playstation written on it. They were wrong. So IMO the best thing that could happen to Sony this gen is a nice fat third place finish.

If they do make a lot of money off of the PS3 can you imagine what they will charge for the PS4?[/QUOTE]
Haven't you seen what the PS9 can do? Of course the Playstations will continue to become more expensive.
 
[quote name='Blitz']I don't want Sony to fail I just want them to get their asses handed to them for a while. Failure of Sony means that I will be a one console guy. I'm not buying the garbage that M$ puts out.

They got cocky thinking the public would rush out and buy a system for $600 because it has Sony Playstation written on it. They were wrong. So IMO the best thing that could happen to Sony this gen is a nice fat third place finish.

If they do make a lot of money off of the PS3 can you imagine what they will charge for the PS4?[/quote]

Oh boo hoo!
Cry me a river man.

You're no gamer.
 
[quote name='dallow']Oh boo hoo!
Cry me a river man.

You're no gamer.[/QUOTE]


Don't tell me what I am you ignorant little prick. You don't know shit about me so STFU.
 
[quote name='dallow']Mykevermin write a fantastic, intelligent post and you reply to it with this mess of crap and a half?

Don't you dare say those games would simply have been made on another system, he even said that in his post.
WTF are you on?

You think if the PS3 dies, then the Wii will get all it's games?
It's impossible to create the visions devs plan for the PS3 on the Wii.
Look at how underpowered the Wii is in that regard. Would you ever see and drive with your Wiimote, photo-realistic cars such as those in GTHD?

Just as it's impossible to create the same game experience on the PS3 as CERTAIN Wii games, who wants games for his cheap ass system with is cheap ass tv.

This is why Nintendo fans are stupid if they're ONLY Nintendo fans.
They, and you need to open up, play some damn games.


I'm with you mykevermin, I can't understand why anyone would want a company to fail.
Which is why I get so irritated when people want better movie formats like BD and HD-DVD to fail.[/quote]
tisk, its shame. I don’t think that the inspirations of creative game devs would die if the ps2 died, do you? even if Mykevermin did say that games would not make it to another system, i still disagree, and If he cuts that out of reasoning, he will fail to understand why alot of people crucify the ps3. If you limit the answers your willing to receive, you may not get the truth, or a portion of the truth.

Are you saying that if the ps3 fails, that their *wont* be a shift in game development and that games that might have been made or even its resources to make games, wouldn’t move to another platform, or do you think that a part of the industry would just shrivel up and die? I think the industry would adapt, and the wii would game more games and better games, not the *same* games but still none the less.

Some people wish to understand why people dislike and take joy in being adieus about their displeasure with the ps3, sometimes in no so intellectual ways. So I tried to help, and you insult me. And least use words with meaning and explain why to take displeasure in my post, rather then using the word crap. Please be kind, and unwind

I am truly sorry you see my prev post as crap and a half. I will try to give you a full second helping this time.

ps: i loved the ps2, and wanted a ps3, but not for $500-$600, maybe for $400 but not for what sony is aking. If i buy a ps3 i am supporting the price and overall inflation and thats something i do not wish to do. Its a joke. I dont have a hd tv so whats the point?, the only game system thats really a deal for me, and thus makeing me a cheap ass gamer is the wii. Only the wii is a deal for someone without hd, becuse why pay that extra 150-350 for hd content on a sdtv? No i would say that I am an objective sdtv gamer.
 
[quote name='Blitz']I don't want Sony to fail I just want them to get their asses handed to them for a while. Failure of Sony means that I will be a one console guy. I'm not buying the garbage that M$ puts out.

They got cocky thinking the public would rush out and buy a system for $600 because it has Sony Playstation written on it. They were wrong. So IMO the best thing that could happen to Sony this gen is a nice fat third place finish.

If they do make a lot of money off of the PS3 can you imagine what they will charge for the PS4?[/QUOTE]

So...you will benefit as a single individual because there will be no incentive to buy a PS3 or 360? Is that what you're telling me?

My question is about how gamers, as a collective, would benefit from Sony's failure. I see no compelling excuse, and yours is tailored to what you, as an individual, want and need psychologically. It's no more compelling than telling me that you want Cap'n Crunch to fail so that you can feel more justified in your continual purchase of Fruity Pebbles.

I may not play Gran Turismo (except when they offer it as a free download), but I'd be a fool to deny the impact that series has had on racing games. I can appreciate the artistic integrity of games such as Okami, Ico, and Shadow of the Colossus without having to play them, or even be fans of the series. I can be fans of the multiple compilation discs that I own (Sega Genesis Collection, Capcom Collections, Atari Collection, Street Fighter Anniversary, etc.) while recognizing that Nintendo's VC business model makes it so counterintuitive to release said comps on their new console that my only chance to pay $20-30 for an armload of classic games in a packaged title is for the PS2 or Xbox to remain on the market.

I can look at a title such as Kingdom Hearts, which from a marketing perspective is just something genius, and wonder if it would have gotten the green light from Square-Enix if there was one fewer console to sell on. It's not an unreasonable proposal, since some of you think it's perfectly reasonable to picture *thatmanymore* titles competing for shelf space for one of the previous generation consoles. If the number of consoles is fewer, the market is smaller, the number of people who would potentially buy your game fewer...it's anything but a foregone conclusion that we'd have seen Kingdom Hearts on Xbox or GameCube. I can only imagine what titles we would not see this generation just to satisfy some individuals' wobbly egos with regard to their console purchase. If you're that bad off, read a fucking Dr. David Dyer book.

In the meantime, I still would like to hear why people think that, as a collectivity, *gamers* (note the plural) would benefit from not just one console's failure this generation, but Sony in particular. I'm far more open to compelling reasoning than you may think; its just that the absence of compelling explanations for why people what Sony to fail are so proliferate.
 
I'm feeling rather masochistic right now, so I'll try conversing with you.

Do you know how many thosands of games are released in Japan beyond what even gets hinted at here?

How many of those quirky niche titles got brought over here last gen? Nintendo brought over ChibiRobo, Cubivore... and I'm struggling to think of them after two... On to Microsoft.

... ... Shit... Any? The only Japanese developed games I can think of are DOAs and Ninja Gaiden, which, just so happen to be from the same studio.

So, the PS2... Guitarooman, Disgaeas, Growlanser, Samurai Western, La Pucelle, Katamaris, Shin Megami, Tsungai, Castle Shikigami, Makai Kingdom...
I know you're going to say those are all from Atlus, but thats only partially correct. A lot of them are indeed published by Atlus for US release, but they were made by other studios.

So, if Sony crapped out, we'd be left with MS's "Gaylo" and Nintendos continued raping of the Mario franchises.

Sweeeet


[quote name='White-Wolf']well its simple, those games you listed, they would have gone on another system. They wouldent stop existing, well not most of them. If the ps3 does well, thats the system that will mostlikely get the games. I think too many people dont want pay 600& to get a system with good games, so if the ps3 does SOOOO bad, all the devs will have to fess up and go on another system or swallow the sales loss if they put it on a ps3. Also sony acted like a popus jerk for about a year now, with a big stick up their butt. They deserve every negative thing that happens to them. Call it karma.

imascrub, i think alot of nintendo fans are worried and afraid of game support. It a unspoken fear... but, if they can force the ps3 to become doa with bad press ect..., who gets the games from japan? mostly the wii. the 360 will get some, but alot of jap devs are still unsure about it.

They got greedy with blue ray. They dident do it for us, they did it for them. They have alot invested in blue
ray, and even if the ps3 is a sinking ship, as long as it gets them blue ray, the could give a fuck.[/quote]
 
Not a troll, you need to realize that this is what the GP thinks of the PS3, they just dont care.

Until you can understand that, the War will go on very badly, so just look at it from different angles.

And I think calling for a ban is uncalled for, I've seen worse threads that didnt get bans
 
[quote name='dallow']You think if the PS3 dies, then the Wii will get all it's games?
It's impossible to create the visions devs plan for the PS3 on the Wii.
Look at how underpowered the Wii is in that regard. Would you ever see and drive with your Wiimote, photo-realistic cars such as those in GTHD?

Just as it's impossible to create the same game experience on the PS3 as CERTAIN Wii games.

[/quote]

This is true, BUT it is NOT impossible to create these games on the 360. Which is $200 cheaper.
 
[quote name='OzCatter']Not a troll, you need to realize that this is what the GP thinks of the PS3, they just dont care.

Until you can understand that, the War will go on very badly, so just look at it from different angles.

And I think calling for a ban is uncalled for, I've seen worse threads that didnt get bans[/QUOTE]

Like I said in another thread, those of you who tow this miserable line that somehow the war is already over are like those people who must think the World Series ended after the first inning of game 1 each year.

Let me get something very, very clear: two of the current gen systems have been available for purchase for 6 weeks. 6 weeks' worth of sales, *no matter how stellar,* don't mean shit. Moreover, every one of these sites' sales projections are just that - projections. They may be based on solid estimates, but they're still just predicitons. We have wonderful thing for companies called fiscal quarters; we'll find out just how many systems were sold soon.

http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/nov2005/pi20051129_5842_pi008.htm

According to Business Week, 21.5 Gamecubes were sold as of November 2005. This is worldwide sales (coorborated by a Nintendo Japan report retrieved via wikipedia).

Now, if we assume Nintendo's highest estimate, they have sold 14% of the GC's sales over 4 years in 6 weeks - an outstanding start.

So, you tell me you aren't a troll, yet:

1) you've started yet another thread (because we had to have a nice, round number, like a fuckING MILLION, of these threads) claiming the PS3 is dead in terms of sales.

2) you made a claim (the public doesn't care about the PS3) that you can not back up with any proof, save for anecdotal evidence. Well, my anecdotal evidence tells me that your mother is a whore, but I don't try to make the claim that all mothers are whores based on the $6.50 I gave her - you see the discrepancy between "anecdote" and "data"?

In the end, none of this matters - next holiday matters, and 2008/2009. I'm not pulling for one system to win one way or another, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let some damnfool fanboy try to claim victory in the first quarter mile of a marathon. Learn to goddamn think, willya?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']So...you will benefit as a single individual because there will be no incentive to buy a PS3 or 360? Is that what you're telling me?

[/QUOTE]
Well said sir. :applause:
 
[quote name='schuerm26']This is true, BUT it is NOT impossible to create these games on the 360. Which is $200 cheaper.[/quote]

Oh yes, those magical Japanese developers will supporting a system that is almost non-existant in Japan.

Hope you only like FPS and sports games.

[quote name='the non-gamer, blitzwhatever'] Don't tell me what I am you ignorant little prick. You don't know shit about me so STFU.[/QUOTE]

You're no gamer.
 
[quote name='dallow']Oh yes, those magical Japanese developers will supporting a system that is almost non-existant in Japan.

Hope you only like FPS and sports games.



You're no gamer.[/quote]

What are you talking about magical japanese developers for? The person who posted was talking about photo-realistic racing games, which is why I stated the XBOX 360 will be able to do that for $200 cheaper.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']What are you talking about magical japanese developers for? The person who posted was talking about racing games.[/quote]
The person was me, and I just used GTHD as an example.

At least I think we were talking to each other. Does it matter?

The 360 could not render that game at 1080p.
It would render it a 600p, and get scaled up like most the other games.
Which is fine, usually.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Learn to goddamn think, willya?[/QUOTE]

As evidenced by most of the posters in this thread, people are clearly up in arms about the possibility of not having $600 to shell out on a whim for a console. This debate is, as you said, more psychological than anything else.

If each console was $250, which one would be "winning" ?
 
Man I done seen some PS3's at BB today. I almost went and killed myself right there. I figured this was a sure sign that the Wii was winning so what was the point of living?

:lol:
 
[quote name='getmyrunon']As evidenced by most of the posters in this thread, people are clearly up in arms about the possibility of not having $600 to shell out on a whim for a console. This debate is, as you said, more psychological than anything else.

If each console was $250, which one would be "winning" ?[/QUOTE]


Didn't we just get into this arguement else where? What if the Wii came with HDDVD and a harddrive and was $600, which would you buy? These what if questions are the lamest fucking thing. We can do what if's all day. What if Bush didn't "win" in 2000? What if asshole Colombus never "discovered" America? What if Christ never lived? What if the Dinosaurs didn't die? Who the fuck cares about what ifs?! The real world is the PS3 isn't selling well because people don't want to pay $600 for one ok launch game.
 
It's been 2 Mother fucking months and people are calling out failures? In that case Wii got raped by 360, which has so far sold more units then both new systems. Seriously if you have to assure yourself that you made the right purchase by taking pics of a stack of PS3s and posting it on a Internet board then you have bigger problems. I don't go down to the Chevy dealer and laugh while I take pics of all the chevy cobalts and post it on the Chevy chat board with a thread Title "Chevy fanboys cry because Mitsubishi Lancers outsell Cobalt!" Get your rocks off somewhere else. Everyone return you Wii's and PS3's because 360 has 9 million unit lead, so theres no point right? :roll:
 
[quote name='David85']What if the Wii came with HDDVD and a harddrive and was $600, which would you buy? [/QUOTE]

I'm not sure, that's a good question. The rest of yours have nothing to do with this conversation and reek of a desperate attempt to avoid thinking constructively about this argument.

I'm slowly starting to understand how people who don't own PS3s aren't eager to discuss their merits - the thought that something they can't afford/can't justify purchasing actually being decent is just too much to handle. Pathetic.
 
The PS3 launch was a failure, yes. The system isn't a failure yet, it's just heading that way. In my eyes it's a $600 piece of shit.

The only console worth buying now is a last gen one or the 360. I see no point in buying either the Wii or the PS3.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']So, to those who desire the demise of Sony's gaming division, let me ask you this: what do you stand to gain, what do gamers stand to gain, if the PS3 is a major league failure?[/QUOTE]

I'm one of the people who want the PS3 to fail because it would be good for gamers.

IMO gaming consoles should be powerful AND cheap. The PS3 is not cheap, and if it fails, no one will try releasing a console at $500 or $600 again for a long time. This is good for gamers.

A lot of people have been talking about how the PS3 shouldn't fail because competition is good for gamers. But how does competition work? By having the worse products fail. So again, the failure of the PS3 would be good news.
 
It's worse in your opinion. For people who want both a HD movie player and HD game system, it's a great deal. It'll also be a good deal if games really take advantage of the extra space Blu-ray offers. If the market isn't ready for a machine like this (and it may not be) then Sony may have no choice but to reduce the price even further. They're not just going to say "oh well, I guess we failed" and go home.
 
[quote name='rickonker']I'm one of the people who want the PS3 to fail because it would be good for gamers.

IMO gaming consoles should be powerful AND cheap. The PS3 is not cheap, and if it fails, no one will try releasing a console at $500 or $600 again for a long time. This is good for gamers.

A lot of people have been talking about how the PS3 shouldn't fail because competition is good for gamers. But how does competition work? By having the worse products fail. So again, the failure of the PS3 would be good news.[/QUOTE]
So the failure of high priced consoles, will changed pricing structures.
Hm, NEO GEO $649.99 back in 1990.

Now what was the reason the Neo Geo failed. It was not the price. It was the lack of games.

Each and every fall off of a Video Game console, has been due to lack of games and support.

T-16
Jaguar
Dreamcast
Phantom

All the same story.

What is good for gamers, is for the majority to stop being whinny. Everyday it is the same lame crap. This is better that is better. Anyone who goes down that path is a media feed sheep. Someone that just wants to keep repeating the same garbage, over and over until they belive it.
 
[quote name='icruise']It's worse in your opinion.[/quote]
Yes exactly.

If the market isn't ready for a machine like this (and it may not be) then Sony may have no choice but to reduce the price even further. They're not just going to say "oh well, I guess we failed" and go home.
Click to expand...

Yes. If the PS3 is a failure then Sony will hopefully not fuck up as badly with the PS4.
 
Nobody cares because your discovery can't be used as data. It holds no relevance to what your original post intended, nevermind the fact that your sample size of 1, 2, or even 100 stores can't predict a machine that has been out for 2 months. Can we stop with this?

I think what happened here is you wanted the following to take place based on your generalization:

OzCatter: picture of Best Buy plus witty witty witty witty witty witty witty witty witty comments
Replies: hahahahaahhaah you are the greatest and you are right

When in reality, this happened:
OzCatter: stupid post, changing title of thread many times to try and fit in (including one that said "PS3 Am Fail"), more backlash, basic economics twisted like Chubby Checker in a blender, you realized it wasn't funny or productive, and now you are trying to turn the funniness to jokes about Missouri people.

When really, the joke is on you.

And me, I guess, since I read and responded to this.
 
[quote name='mwynn']So the failure of high priced consoles, will changed pricing structures.
Hm, NEO GEO $649.99 back in 1990.

Now what was the reason the Neo Geo failed. It was not the price. It was the lack of games.
[/QUOTE]
Well, it was at least partially the price with the Neo Geo. Both the hardware and the software were too expensive (games costing upwards of $200, in 1990 dollars no less?). When you add the fact that most Neo Geo games were made for arcades, meaning that they couldn't really hold up when played in the home, the Neo Geo was pretty much doomed from the start. If they had come out with the CD-based system right from the beginning they might have done a bit better. (I had a Neo Geo and I liked it a lot at the time, BTW.)
 
Well you really brought out the Sony fanboys. What they fail to realize is they are the ones assuming this means its over for sony if they read your op
"Hmm PS3 fans, you can tell who's winning the War" they might discover that it says "Winning" not "Won". Anyone who attempts to say Sony isnt in a bad spot right now is either really naive or a fanboy. Serisously.
 
[quote name='rickonker']I'm one of the people who want the PS3 to fail because it would be good for gamers.[/quote]

I disagree. As expensive as a console is, it's a one-time cost and you have something concrete afterwards (which is generally worth it given the hardware you are getting). I can respect that.

I want the following business practices to utterly fail instead:
- Nickel-and-diming microtranactions for gaming extras like 'horse armor' and character skins.
- Games available by download only (killing the used games market)
- Outrageous virtual console pricing for retro games
- Upwards movement of retail game pricepoints ($50 is enough guys)

All three companies are guilty of making some business decisions based more on greed then fiscal common sense. The question is whether us as consumers will roll over and take it. I'm hoping that we vote with our wallets and tell the corporations that scummy business tactics will not be tolerated.
 
[quote name='rickonker']I'm one of the people who want the PS3 to fail because it would be good for gamers.

IMO gaming consoles should be powerful AND cheap. The PS3 is not cheap, and if it fails, no one will try releasing a console at $500 or $600 again for a long time. This is good for gamers.

A lot of people have been talking about how the PS3 shouldn't fail because competition is good for gamers. But how does competition work? By having the worse products fail. So again, the failure of the PS3 would be good news.[/QUOTE]

That second sentence is the first reasonable argument I've seen so far. I don't necessarily think it is true, but it is at least (1) broadly applicable and (2) something I can sympathize with wanting.

Nevertheless, I'm not sure that I agree that the PS3 is a piece of garbage nor "worse" than anything. It has some issues that could use some significant revamping, including multitasking while downloading, upscaling for non-720p HDTV owners, and improving the graphics output of PS2 titles, but that's all (I believe) fixable via the firmware.

I'm not reading about people having PS3s dead out of the box, or "three red lights of doom." Thanks to the internet, small problems can be magnified into widespread and massive fatal flaws - and people pointed that out when early adopters of the 360 said the system was inherently flawed.

Actually, looking back at your post, you have some tautological thinking going on in that last sentence. It is not the failure of one that determines competition; as a matter of fact, that is the very moment that the competition, which we both agree is good for gamers, ends. It is competition that is good, not because it ends in failure, but because it provides choice. I'm not sure you understand how having choices in the marketplace works.

Nevertheless, I appreciate your second statement. That's a plausible response for not wanting to see a system succeed.

I will look forward to revisiting this thread in one year's time to see who has changed their tune and owns and enjoys their PS3. So many people are willing to count it of the race (that just bloomin' started; c'mon, kids!), yet the moment titles come out for it that are exclusive and have broader appeal than Resistance, you'll be in the stores buying one.
 
Edit: Not worth arguing with you guys.

Edit: If some jackass is gonna qoute it I guess Ill leave it up...

i guess you guys just can(T) see through your fanboyism. no one is saying sony lost or is going anywhere you dumb cocks. people are merely stating that it isnt going well for them. pull the wool off your eyes and read. youve shown that you can type, now show that you can read.
 
[quote name='DeathDealer']i guess you guys just can see through your fanboyism. no one is saying sony lost or is going anywhere you dumb cocks. people are merely stating that it isnt going well for them. pull the wool off your eyes and read. youve shown that you can type, now show that you can read.[/QUOTE]
Two steps ahead of you, you're still on Step 1: lernin how two type.
 
This place is still called Ceap Ass Gamer right? Because I love all the people who make it seem like $600 is nothing.

For $600 I will build a computer that will have more games than the PS3 ever will.
 
[quote name='whoknows']Two steps ahead of you, you're still on Step 1: lernin how two type.[/quote]

you mean learning?
seriously man, you try so hard though...
 
[quote name='DeathDealer']you mean learning?
seriously man, you try so hard though...[/QUOTE]
I mean exactly what I typed. If you don't get it then you are further back than I had originally thought.
 
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