Demon's Souls - Atlus & From Software's Action RPG - October 6

[quote name='Invin']I think my soul level is also in the 60s and I'm having trouble with the 4-2 boss. I'll help you sometime and hopefully someone else will help me.

Also.. When reclaiming your body + the massive amount of exp on it, does anyone else die at the most stupid parts? For example, I reached the 4-2 boss w/o too much problems. He then killed me in less than 30 seconds. On my way back to my body, I die at the beginning where the reaper is to just 1 soul ray :bomb:[/QUOTE]

I am down for that but I got to say I stink. I mean I love the game but dieing is like all I seem to do well. And 4-2 takes me forever to make it to the boss. Its that second half after you walk on the path.

Thanks Gunm, I wish my Thief ring wasnt broken. I dont know which game I live less minutes on MW2 on DS. At least in MW2 I get loads of kills along the way. Its just sick how quick the 3-2 and 4-2 bosses dispatch me.
 
Hm, I don't understand how you can "break" your thief's ring. Are you walking towards enemies, or running/sprinting? Sorry if this is obvious, but you have to walk up from behind, or you'll be noticed. Being in soul form and removing your foot gear improves on the stealth as well...
 
As long as you're walking, and you're light on your armor, you should be fine. The leg/foot gear isn't the key piece, it's just being under half your equipable weight. I kept my character with heavy leg gear, heavy gauntlets, an assassin's mask, and no chest armor. Left lots room as far as being under weight, and gave good protection too.

As far as melee builds, my first time through the game, I was pretty much a pure melee character. Didn't even start using a bow, rarely, until over halfway through the game. Bosses like flamelurker and maneater were a pain the first time through. The false king isn't too bad, melee, and I managed to beat him going melee on my second attempt. Not nearly as easy as beating him archer where you can kill him before he even moves a step towards you.

The build I ended up with, although not pure melee at all, I would describe as a fighter/thief. My main tactics were backstabbing and physical attacks, be they melee or archery. I used magic in mostly a support role. Other than soulsucker/thirst for farming, about the extent of my magic in combat was poison cloud for damage over time.

Anyways, melee is a decent build, but it's just not as effective as a jack of all trades, just like every other build. An archer or mage can get through the game just fine, but they'll have an easier time if they have the physical/melee skills as well, even if they aren't focused on them.
 
Im a 86 Magic user on my second run through. I beat 1-1 and 1-2 but I feel like I have hit a brick wall and anywhere I go to grind souls seems to take forever to get the 40k+ souls I need to level up. Anyone want to co-op around this level or have suggestions?
 
I can't get into this game for some reason.... Anyone feel like telling me how I can get into it? I mean, I really don't know where to go at all, and it feels like they just stick you in the map and you have to choose a path and see where it takes you.

Is that how the game is? Or am I doing something wrong? I feel like I did something wrong and it feels awkward.
 
They really do just kind of drop you into this game with little to no explanation. go to the first archstone(boletarian palace) and fight your way up the stairs and go to the left. Just keep exploring and you will find some levers that open up more of the level. You also can upgrade your stats after you beat this first level.
 
I spent last night grinding in 4-2 trying to get another chunk of Darkmoon while occasionally attempting the boss. I have to say 4-2 has to be one of the best places to lvl grind.

What I meant about a broken thief ring was that I catch a lot of agro while having it on. But your suggestions make me think I was thinking to highly of what it really does.

I am totally down for some co-op.
 
[quote name='BREVITY']I am down for that but I got to say I stink. I mean I love the game but dieing is like all I seem to do well. And 4-2 takes me forever to make it to the boss. Its that second half after you walk on the path.

Thanks Gunm, I wish my Thief ring wasnt broken. I dont know which game I live less minutes on MW2 on DS. At least in MW2 I get loads of kills along the way. Its just sick how quick the 3-2 and 4-2 bosses dispatch me.[/QUOTE]
PM me any time you see me on the PSN and I'll be ready to go. About the dying part.. We'll just go slow and cautious since this level makes me scared and paranoid anyways :)
 
Im level 87 so I dont know if we are close enough but I am always down for co-op. Add me Im Hammik and we can teear up some levels. 4-2 was definitely the hardest for me although once you get past the first half the rest is cake and so is the boss.
 
Alright, I'll just play through that level some more and see what happens. :D

I'll show my friend the game when I go over his house later today, and maybe this will get me addicted to the game and maybe he will to. :D
 
Yea, they drop you in with little explanation, as it adds to the intended atmosphere of the game. Yes, it's an action rpg. Yes, it's got some horror/suspense elements. The over all theme of the game, though, is isolation. You're alone. More than half the time you ever interact with another person, they're trying to kill you, reinforcing the solitude. Even when you play cooperatively with someone else, you can't communicate with them.

Give the game a fair chance. If you don't like it, you don't like it. It's definitely not for everyone. If it is up your alley, though, this is seriously one of the best games ever.
 
Be warned, watching someone else play this game if your not into it can be extremely boring. I almost didnt buy this after my friend showed it to me and all my friend who have watched me play think Im crazy.
 
Finally killed the blue dragon only to be slaughtered right away by the false king. he's the only demon i have left but he kicks my ass every time.
 
[quote name='OlDirtyBastard']Be warned, watching someone else play this game if your not into it can be extremely boring. I almost didnt buy this after my friend showed it to me and all my friend who have watched me play think Im crazy.[/QUOTE]

I disagree, I've seen ppl play on Justin.tv and it looks fascinating. I just don't have the time or patience to play it myself.
 
Well it's just the annoyance of going around in circles really. It's not really you continue down a path, and that is how you go. I have to just find out the right path.
 
[quote name='arrrggghhh']Finally killed the blue dragon only to be slaughtered right away by the false king. he's the only demon i have left but he kicks my ass every time.[/QUOTE]

Poison cloud is your friend.
 
Irvin just beat 4-2 the first time in each others world!! Thanks Irvin! I cant believe how easy it was with someone of any use at all.
 
Got this game yesterday, really loving it. Anyone wanna do some co-op, feel free
to add me.

Stuck on
flamelurker, have nothing to heal myself with, and have tryed helping others beat him, gets me everytime.
 
While waiting for you to lay your stone, someone invaded my world. My heart rate tripled.... until he killed himself before even reaching me. What happened to the other guy helping us? Did he get impatient and leave while waiting for you to summon me again?
 
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[quote name='Megiddo_CAG']Got this game yesterday, really loving it. Anyone wanna do some co-op, feel free
to add me.
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I recently made a new character so I can help out, but not at that point yet. I'll send you an add though.
 
[quote name='Invin']While waiting for you to lay your stone, someone invaded my world. My heart rate tripled.... until he got speared by one of those flying guys before even reaching me. What happened to the other guy helping us? Did he get impatient and leave while waiting for you to summon me again?[/QUOTE]

Ya he left. I was so worried about getting invaded while waiting for you too. I die from invaders 95% of the time. It was cool that we beat that one invader. Lets IM or some other form of talking if we do 3-2 tonight. I got the last part open so I can run to the boss very quick. I tried it solo again last night and failed.
 
[quote name='Supplice']Assuming you know the individual, you could open up Voice chat, leave it up, and be able to communicate while playing. I heard about this late yesterday, but haven't tried it yet.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking of trying this, don't you need like the eyetoy or something though? Or could you just have voice chat?
 
[quote name='OlDirtyBastard']I also have a character at SL 34 stuck on flamlurker so Ill look you up. Add me, Hammik[/QUOTE]

Anyone here feel free to add me as well. My character is currently around level 44 I think (just leveled some last night). However, I've helped several people beat Flamelurker; my character is mostly pure magic so I'm really good in a support role there. Melee people just run around and disctract while I stand at the top of the stairs and blast the shit out of him with spells.

I'm also trying to beat the 3-2 boss right now, so I'd be down for some co-op on him. I just recently read about the trick people seem to use but I haven't tried it yet:
where you shoot a bow through the fog. I don't have a bow I can use though, since my strength is only 14.
 
That makes 4 ppl needing 3-2 done. Want to do it tonight? Who all has the level complete to the point were you can just run to the boss? It would be nice just to meet in front of that.

OlDirtyBastard
Backlash
BREVITY
Invin
 
guys can you get hlp from a SL 100+ on the 3-2 boss? Who is that anyway? Is it maneater? I forget.

I should be able to stomp him pretty well, but I dont recall if I can come help.
 
If they're in the 60's at most then you probably can't help. The general formula for SL differences of Phantoms is Your SL +/- (SL/10 + 10) so a SL of 70 would only mean you could get help from someone between SL 53-87.
 
Yeah, I think me and Brevity are around the 80s, so that's definitely out of range. Yeah, 3-2 boss is Maneater. Brevity, I've already completed 3-2, so we'll only need to do it once. Meeting up in front of the boss place sounds good.
 
[quote name='arrrggghhh']Finally killed the blue dragon only to be slaughtered right away by the false king. he's the only demon i have left but he kicks my ass every time.[/QUOTE]

Cheese method:
Barely move into the fog and don't go any further, shoot hit with arrows. Easy as pie - use morion blade/clever rat's ring to make it go faster.

[quote name='Megiddo_CAG']Got this game yesterday, really loving it. Anyone wanna do some co-op, feel free
to add me.

Stuck on
flamelurker, have nothing to heal myself with, and have tryed helping others beat him, gets me everytime.
[/QUOTE]

Head up the stairs and get on the right side (left side if you are on the stairs looking back down). From there you can hit him with spells or arrows and he can't get to you easily. Just hit him slowly so he doesn't over-aggro (as he can jump up and get you occasionally).

[quote name='Backlash']
I'm also trying to beat the 3-2 boss right now, so I'd be down for some co-op on him. I just recently read about the trick people seem to use but I haven't tried it yet:
where you shoot a bow through the fog. I don't have a bow I can use though, since my strength is only 14.
[/QUOTE]

Yep, shoot arrows through the fog to take care of the first one. The second can still be a challenge, though. Move to the center where the fire is and fight him around there.
. This is one where you pretty much have to have melee skills, making it somewhat of a challenge for my lightly-armored magic user/ranger (originally a Royal). This is one of the few that continues to be challenging through my 3rd playthrough (haven't done him yet in #3, but in #2 it was a bit of a pain).
 
[quote name='Nirron']If they're in the 60's at most then you probably can't help. The general formula for SL differences of Phantoms is Your SL +/- (SL/10 + 10) so a SL of 70 would only mean you could get help from someone between SL 53-87.[/QUOTE]

This is mostly correct. Here is the chart per the wiki. It changes the higher your level.

Soul Level Restriction
 
Yeah, I pulled the formula off the wiki (where I'm assuming you pulled that SL Restriction info :p) though it actually seems to be pretty consistent throughout. SL 280 would be (280/10 + 10) = 38, while SL 712 would be (712/10 + 10) = 81.2, assuming it rounds to 81.

I did forget to include the bit about the double requirement part. It's somewhat like a graph with overlapping bubbles.

[quote name='"io"'] This is one where you pretty much have to have melee skills, making it somewhat of a challenge for my lightly-armored magic user/ranger (originally a Royal). This is one of the few that continues to be challenging through my 3rd playthrough (haven't done him yet in #3, but in #2 it was a bit of a pain). [/QUOTE]

Do you have Firestorm? I'm a Royal as well, and that's how I've destroyed Maneater every time from NG+ onward. Circle the brazier, wait until he does that pounce move, then come up behind him and Firestorm, preferably with Monk's Wrapping and/or Ring of Magical Sharpness. The latest time I fought him I took 90% of his life in 1 cast (though I do have 82 magic)


And an open note for anyone out there: If anyone wants to pal around in some co-op or something, I'm up for it. I've pretty much 'finished' the game outside of getting max level (all unique items, at least one weapon upgraded to max with every stone, all rings, etc) and haven't gotten to play enough as a blue phantom. I'm SL 223 give or take a SL or two, so I think if you're around SL 200 or so we could team up.
 
[quote name='Nirron']
Do you have Firestorm? I'm a Royal as well, and that's how I've destroyed Maneater every time from NG+ onward. Circle the brazier, wait until he does that pounce move, then come up behind him and Firestorm, preferably with Monk's Wrapping and/or Ring of Magical Sharpness. The latest time I fought him I took 90% of his life in 1 cast (though I do have 82 magic)[/QUOTE]

I do but I've never made much use of it. It seems whenever I try to use it on someone they attack me and disrupt the spell. I used it to great effect on Phalanx in my third playthrough though. But I didn't have it last time I fought Maneater. I'll try it this time.
 
[quote name='io']I do but I've never made much use of it. It seems whenever I try to use it on someone they attack me and disrupt the spell. I used it to great effect on Phalanx in my third playthrough though. But I didn't have it last time I fought Maneater. I'll try it this time.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it works really well on Maneater. Just make sure not to get hit by magic when you load up on magic boosting stuff. Also, a kris blade works well if you have it for extra boost.

[quote name='Nirron']Yeah, I pulled the formula off the wiki (where I'm assuming you pulled that SL Restriction info :p) though it actually seems to be pretty consistent throughout. SL 280 would be (280/10 + 10) = 38, while SL 712 would be (712/10 + 10) = 81.2, assuming it rounds to 81.

I did forget to include the bit about the double requirement part. It's somewhat like a graph with overlapping bubbles.[/QUOTE]

Ah, I misinterpreted your post a bit. Yeah, what Nirron said! :lol:
 
[quote name='BREVITY']That makes 4 ppl needing 3-2 done. Want to do it tonight? Who all has the level complete to the point were you can just run to the boss? It would be nice just to meet in front of that.

OlDirtyBastard
Backlash
BREVITY
Invin[/QUOTE]

I'd love to, but it looks like we're out of range since I'm only about SL 44. Ah, well.
 
Whats up with these Prime evil demons? I see in the wiki that they are the source of some of the colorless that I need to upgrade my shield but I cant find them. For that matter I am having trouble finding any of the colorless. I have found two only and I got both of them by trading the crows.
 
[quote name='BREVITY']Whats up with these Prime evil demons? I see in the wiki that they are the source of some of the colorless that I need to upgrade my shield but I cant find them. For that matter I am having trouble finding any of the colorless. I have found two only and I got both of them by trading the crows.[/QUOTE]

They only appear in pure black tendency and are completely harmless. All you need to do is get your world to pure black... and then look for where they will appear in the wiki. You can't miss them.

EDIT - and they don't have a 100% drop rate. So, always use a large sword of searching.
 
Here's the wiki page on Colorless, which also includes a little bit on Primeval Demons, including in which portion of each world you'll find them. I've found that the Mephistopheles quests along with Crow and PWWT 1-1 are enough effort for me, and yield 5 per game; enough to fully upgrade 1 item.

While there are only 10 Colorless per game, 5 of those involve getting each world to Pure Black WT for a chance of a drop, as the Primeval Demons don't drop Colorless 100% of the time, though with a LSS (Sword of Searching) it's probably a bit more common.
 
I didnt know that about the primeval demons. Thanks

Thanks again to Invin I beat another two bosses. Great game. Now to try and get the jump on some Gecko's.
 
[quote name='io']I do but I've never made much use of it. It seems whenever I try to use it on someone they attack me and disrupt the spell. I used it to great effect on Phalanx in my third playthrough though. But I didn't have it last time I fought Maneater. I'll try it this time.[/QUOTE]

You can kill a lot of the bosses in one hit with it, even in NG+ and ++. Once you learn when you can and can't use it, its an insanely useful spell.
 


Backlash said:
I'd love to, but it looks like we're out of range since I'm only about SL 44. Ah, well.
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I am around that level, so I could help if you like. Haven't done 3-1 or 3-2, but I can clear those easily. ;)
 
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[quote name='Nirron']Here's the wiki page on Colorless, which also includes a little bit on Primeval Demons, including in which portion of each world you'll find them. I've found that the Mephistopheles quests along with Crow and PWWT 1-1 are enough effort for me, and yield 5 per game; enough to fully upgrade 1 item.

While there are only 10 Colorless per game, 5 of those involve getting each world to Pure Black WT for a chance of a drop, as the Primeval Demons don't drop Colorless 100% of the time, though with a LSS (Sword of Searching) it's probably a bit more common.[/QUOTE]

Funny, to me the Mephistopheles quests seemed like a lot of trouble.

I think I killed 7 or 8 primeval demons and only once did I not get a colorless demon soul drop. And I have really low luck and never used the Large Sword of Searching.

Don't forget there's also one down below Miralda (in the locked area of 1-1), but that of course requires fighting either black phantom Miralda or the regular one (she attacks you either way).
 
[quote name='option.iv']One question guys, can you put the Morion blade on the offhand, switch to two handing the primary and still keep the attack up when HP
 
[quote name='Supplice']First question: yes. Second question: I am unsure, I usually try to meet requirements. That would be interesting to know.[/QUOTE]
Reason being is, I wanted to make a Blueblood Thief/Wanderer and cap at SL120. I was thinking I could just two hand the BBS (STR at 12 > goes up to 18 two handed), which gives me 6 points to put elsewhere (preferrably VIT or LUK). Now I have no intention of using the Morion except for the bonus. If you can retain the bonus without meeting the req to properly weild it, awesome.

Or is this not even worth it, considering I would have to keep switching between one and two handed just to use the Blueblood Sword.
 
[quote name='Supplice']I am around that level, so I could help if you like. Haven't done 3-1 or 3-2, but I can clear those easily.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the offer! I went ahead and finally visited 4-1 for the first time last night and went through it very easily (seems like it was built for a magic-user). I haven't beaten the boss yet (I had tons of souls when I got to the boss fog so I decided to just go back to the Nexus instead of taking a chance on losing them). Anyway once I beat the boss I'll have my body back so I can summon.

However, I just thought about it and I'm kind of afraid to try to beat 3-2 with my body, because if I die I don't think I'll be able to get the world to pure white (which I'd like to do to rescue Rydell and get all the extra booty from 3-1). What do you think?
 
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