Downloadable classic games = Big ripoff

[quote name='lordwow']My media theory professor would eat you for lunch.[/QUOTE]
Bon appetit.

[quote name='lordwow']You're suggesting that there is a difference between stealing a physical form (a DVD, a game disk, a reel, whatever) and downloading a movie/ROM/mp3 online.
[/quote]
There is a difference.

[quote name='lordwow']Wikipedia's page on Copyright Infringment
In many jurisdictions, such as the United States, copyright infringement is a strict liability tort or crime. This means that the plaintiff or prosecutor must only prove that the act of copying or actus reus was committed by the defendant, and need not prove guilty intent or mens rea. Good faith, standing alone, is no defense.

For electronic and audio-visual media, unauthorized reproduction and distribution is often referred to as piracy or theft.[/quote]

You're not reading carefully enough. What is it in the united states, specifically - a tort or a crime?
And just because it's often referred to as theft doesn't make it theft. Sorry.

[quote name='lordwow']Both physical theft and copyright infringment are considered theft and are crimes in the United States.[/quote]

No, you're wrong.

Let's ask the Copyright Law FAQ ( http://www.faqs.org/faqs/law/copyright/faq/part3/ )

3.3) Is copyright infringement a crime, or a civil matter?

It's always at least a civil matter (a tort). 17 U.S.C. 501(b) details
the mechanisms by which an owner of a copyright may file a civil suit,
and 28 U.S.C. 1338 expressly refers to civil actions arising under the
copyright act.

However, under certain circumstances, it may also be a federal crime. A
copyright infringement is subject to criminal prosecution if infringement
is willful and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial
gain. 17 U.S.C. 506(a). If the offense consists of the reproduction or
distribution, during any 180-day period, of 10 or more copies having a
retail value of more than $2,500, the offense is a felony; otherwise, the
offense is a misdemeanor. 18 U.S.C. 2319.

As a side note, although 18 U.S.C. 2319 purports to prescribe the
penalties for criminal infringement, all crimes covered by Title 18 have
their penalties determined by the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines,

So there you have it. Is non-commercial infringement a crime in the states? No.
Is it theft? No.
 
[quote name='botticus']Okay, you're an idiot. It's got nothing to do with Nintendo specifically. I've done my share of emulating on my PC, because, well, the games are out of print. But even with no viable alternative to purchase the games, it's illegal. If you want to emulate them, great, do so, knock yourself out. It's just annoying when people think they are so smart because they can obtain something illegally for free and everyone who pays for it is stupid.

I'm not sure if you realized this or not, but it's possible to get a car for free. Let me know if you figure out how. But I bet you're a dumbass and you pay for yours.[/quote]

Oh no. You didn't go there. You didn't just compare copyright infringement to out-and-out theft did you. This should be one of those Godwin's law type things when it comes to talking about copyrights. Eventually the RIAA/MPAA/big corpo shill shows up and starts spouting the same old propaganda - the party's over boys.
 
This whole discussion has become worthless. Absolutely worthless.

Say whatever the fuck you want, but getting something for free when you shouldn't be able to is a questionable idea indeed. However you approach it is not my concern and never will be, but goddamn, if you seriously are unaware that is the case, you have issues or synaptic gaps in your head filled with glue. Note that I am clearly not creating a topic of moral discussion here, I am attacking the idea itself. Something for free is an odd premise, no matter the circumstances.

Don't even pretend that if you were hanging around, say, a Sony exec, you'd brandish a CD wallet full of burned games and then promptly displayed your modded PS2. Don't pretend you'd offer J. Allard an Xbox loaded up with thousands of games and various emulators.

And don't pretend you can't tell me otherwise. 'Cuz then what would be the point of MS shutting down people doing that exact thing years ago? Or Sony sending out firmware updates before you can play the latest games on the PSP?

This argument is retarded. "The games are too expensive" suddenly becomes "you're an idiot if you don't emulate," and then a huge discussion over what is legal versus moral relativity.

Just stop it. No one is going to convince anyone otherwise of anything. If you want to emulate, fine. But don't be a fucking asshole and rub it in my face that I actually took the time and effort to buy whatever game it is I want to play. If you want me to respect your action - or at least not give you shit about it - then you need to stfu about what I've decided to do as well.

And please - PLEASE - stop using the tired argument that "I could buy a NES and play these games for a few bucks." Then guess what. Buy a fucking NES and play those games for a few bucks. I aint buying the Wii solely for the VC. That would be like buying a car just so I could roll the windows down for fun. You idiots, I'd buy a car TO USE IT AS A fuckING CAR. All the extraneous shit I get to do in it is an added bonus. Hey look, this has GPS in it. Rock on. But wait! Some idiot said I could just buy the GPS unit instead!

Well of course I could you fucking asshole, but then I'D STILL NEED TO BUY A fuckING CAR AS WELL.

Shit. This is a retarded goddamn topic with a lot of retarded goddamn arguments. Go emulate the fuck out on your computer, and go argue useless semantics all you fucking want.

And then stfu, cuz you're not funny or smart or smarmy. You're just goddamn annoying.
 
[quote name='Strell']This whole discussion has become worthless. Absolutely worthless.

Say whatever the fuck you want, but getting something for free when you shouldn't be able to is a questionable idea indeed. However you approach it is not my concern and never will be, but goddamn, if you seriously are unaware that is the case, you have issues or synaptic gaps in your head filled with glue. Note that I am clearly not creating a topic of moral discussion here, I am attacking the idea itself. Something for free is an odd premise, no matter the circumstances.

Don't even pretend that if you were hanging around, say, a Sony exec, you'd brandish a CD wallet full of burned games and then promptly displayed your modded PS2. Don't pretend you'd offer J. Allard an Xbox loaded up with thousands of games and various emulators.

And don't pretend you can't tell me otherwise. 'Cuz then what would be the point of MS shutting down people doing that exact thing years ago? Or Sony sending out firmware updates before you can play the latest games on the PSP?

This argument is retarded. "The games are too expensive" suddenly becomes "you're an idiot if you don't emulate," and then a huge discussion over what is legal versus moral relativity.

Just stop it. No one is going to convince anyone otherwise of anything. If you want to emulate, fine. But don't be a fucking asshole and rub it in my face that I actually took the time and effort to buy whatever game it is I want to play. If you want me to respect your action - or at least not give you shit about it - then you need to stfu about what I've decided to do as well.

And please - PLEASE - stop using the tired argument that "I could buy a NES and play these games for a few bucks." Then guess what. Buy a fucking NES and play those games for a few bucks. I aint buying the Wii solely for the VC. That would be like buying a car just so I could roll the windows down for fun. You idiots, I'd buy a car TO USE IT AS A fuckING CAR. All the extraneous shit I get to do in it is an added bonus. Hey look, this has GPS in it. Rock on. But wait! Some idiot said I could just buy the GPS unit instead!

Well of course I could you fucking asshole, but then I'D STILL NEED TO BUY A fuckING CAR AS WELL.

Shit. This is a retarded goddamn topic with a lot of retarded goddamn arguments. Go emulate the fuck out on your computer, and go argue useless semantics all you fucking want.

And then stfu, cuz you're not funny or smart or smarmy. You're just goddamn annoying.[/QUOTE]

strell you have me on the floor with this. I agree with everything you said. it does get annoying when people argue about the same shit over and over again. how many times do we have to have an "emu is not right" argument or "well i would rather buy this" argument. its useless because no one is changing anyones minds..and why should anyone care..its the fucking internet..we do what we want. why should i be told that emu is not right or that buying final fight is cheaper to buy for the SNES than the Wii. so i know that shit already..i probably will buy Final fight for teh SNES because its my choice...i do what i want. if i want to emu final fight ill do it because i feel like playing it not because i can own it. enough said..im just repeating what strell says..its annoying.
 
[quote name='Strell']This whole discussion has become worthless. Absolutely worthless.

Say whatever the fuck you want, but getting something for free when you shouldn't be able to is a questionable idea indeed. However you approach it is not my concern and never will be, but goddamn, if you seriously are unaware that is the case, you have issues or synaptic gaps in your head filled with glue. Note that I am clearly not creating a topic of moral discussion here, I am attacking the idea itself. Something for free is an odd premise, no matter the circumstances.

Don't even pretend that if you were hanging around, say, a Sony exec, you'd brandish a CD wallet full of burned games and then promptly displayed your modded PS2. Don't pretend you'd offer J. Allard an Xbox loaded up with thousands of games and various emulators.

And don't pretend you can't tell me otherwise. 'Cuz then what would be the point of MS shutting down people doing that exact thing years ago? Or Sony sending out firmware updates before you can play the latest games on the PSP?

This argument is retarded. "The games are too expensive" suddenly becomes "you're an idiot if you don't emulate," and then a huge discussion over what is legal versus moral relativity.

Just stop it. No one is going to convince anyone otherwise of anything. If you want to emulate, fine. But don't be a fucking asshole and rub it in my face that I actually took the time and effort to buy whatever game it is I want to play. If you want me to respect your action - or at least not give you shit about it - then you need to stfu about what I've decided to do as well.

And please - PLEASE - stop using the tired argument that "I could buy a NES and play these games for a few bucks." Then guess what. Buy a fucking NES and play those games for a few bucks. I aint buying the Wii solely for the VC. That would be like buying a car just so I could roll the windows down for fun. You idiots, I'd buy a car TO USE IT AS A fuckING CAR. All the extraneous shit I get to do in it is an added bonus. Hey look, this has GPS in it. Rock on. But wait! Some idiot said I could just buy the GPS unit instead!

Well of course I could you fucking asshole, but then I'D STILL NEED TO BUY A fuckING CAR AS WELL.

Shit. This is a retarded goddamn topic with a lot of retarded goddamn arguments. Go emulate the fuck out on your computer, and go argue useless semantics all you fucking want.

And then stfu, cuz you're not funny or smart or smarmy. You're just goddamn annoying.[/quote]

Blah. Blah. Blah.
 
[quote name='Strell']This whole discussion has become worthless. Absolutely worthless.

Say whatever the fuck you want, but getting something for free when you shouldn't be able to is a questionable idea indeed. However you approach it is not my concern and never will be, but goddamn, if you seriously are unaware that is the case, you have issues or synaptic gaps in your head filled with glue. Note that I am clearly not creating a topic of moral discussion here, I am attacking the idea itself. Something for free is an odd premise, no matter the circumstances.

Don't even pretend that if you were hanging around, say, a Sony exec, you'd brandish a CD wallet full of burned games and then promptly displayed your modded PS2. Don't pretend you'd offer J. Allard an Xbox loaded up with thousands of games and various emulators.

And don't pretend you can't tell me otherwise. 'Cuz then what would be the point of MS shutting down people doing that exact thing years ago? Or Sony sending out firmware updates before you can play the latest games on the PSP?

This argument is retarded. "The games are too expensive" suddenly becomes "you're an idiot if you don't emulate," and then a huge discussion over what is legal versus moral relativity.

Just stop it. No one is going to convince anyone otherwise of anything. If you want to emulate, fine. But don't be a fucking asshole and rub it in my face that I actually took the time and effort to buy whatever game it is I want to play. If you want me to respect your action - or at least not give you shit about it - then you need to stfu about what I've decided to do as well.

And please - PLEASE - stop using the tired argument that "I could buy a NES and play these games for a few bucks." Then guess what. Buy a fucking NES and play those games for a few bucks. I aint buying the Wii solely for the VC. That would be like buying a car just so I could roll the windows down for fun. You idiots, I'd buy a car TO USE IT AS A fuckING CAR. All the extraneous shit I get to do in it is an added bonus. Hey look, this has GPS in it. Rock on. But wait! Some idiot said I could just buy the GPS unit instead!

Well of course I could you fucking asshole, but then I'D STILL NEED TO BUY A fuckING CAR AS WELL.

Shit. This is a retarded goddamn topic with a lot of retarded goddamn arguments. Go emulate the fuck out on your computer, and go argue useless semantics all you fucking want.

And then stfu, cuz you're not funny or smart or smarmy. You're just goddamn annoying.[/quote]
More eloquent than I could ever be.

More correct than anyone who had posted here yet.

Strell wins the thread.
 
I guess I shouldn't get rid of any of my old systems and the common games I own. If I do get a Wii and decide to download old games, I think I'll just go for the games that would be really difficult to find on the original consoles like Chrono Trigger, Dragon Warrior 2-4, Earthbound, Super Mario RPG, Kirby's Superstar, Kirby's Dreamland 3, and even Super Metroid.
 
[quote name='Strell']This whole discussion has become worthless. Absolutely worthless.

Say whatever the fuck you want, but getting something for free when you shouldn't be able to is a questionable idea indeed. However you approach it is not my concern and never will be, but goddamn, if you seriously are unaware that is the case, you have issues or synaptic gaps in your head filled with glue. Note that I am clearly not creating a topic of moral discussion here, I am attacking the idea itself. Something for free is an odd premise, no matter the circumstances.

Don't even pretend that if you were hanging around, say, a Sony exec, you'd brandish a CD wallet full of burned games and then promptly displayed your modded PS2. Don't pretend you'd offer J. Allard an Xbox loaded up with thousands of games and various emulators.

And don't pretend you can't tell me otherwise. 'Cuz then what would be the point of MS shutting down people doing that exact thing years ago? Or Sony sending out firmware updates before you can play the latest games on the PSP?

This argument is retarded. "The games are too expensive" suddenly becomes "you're an idiot if you don't emulate," and then a huge discussion over what is legal versus moral relativity.

Just stop it. No one is going to convince anyone otherwise of anything. If you want to emulate, fine. But don't be a fucking asshole and rub it in my face that I actually took the time and effort to buy whatever game it is I want to play. If you want me to respect your action - or at least not give you shit about it - then you need to stfu about what I've decided to do as well.

And please - PLEASE - stop using the tired argument that "I could buy a NES and play these games for a few bucks." Then guess what. Buy a fucking NES and play those games for a few bucks. I aint buying the Wii solely for the VC. That would be like buying a car just so I could roll the windows down for fun. You idiots, I'd buy a car TO USE IT AS A fuckING CAR. All the extraneous shit I get to do in it is an added bonus. Hey look, this has GPS in it. Rock on. But wait! Some idiot said I could just buy the GPS unit instead!

Well of course I could you fucking asshole, but then I'D STILL NEED TO BUY A fuckING CAR AS WELL.

Shit. This is a retarded goddamn topic with a lot of retarded goddamn arguments. Go emulate the fuck out on your computer, and go argue useless semantics all you fucking want.

And then stfu, cuz you're not funny or smart or smarmy. You're just goddamn annoying.[/quote]
Blah is right. I love when someone sees a huge post constructed well they right away think it's brilliant when it's really just idiotic. Hah. Burning PS2 games....right don't believe we ever talked about that. We're talking about old NES/Sega games here. Hmm then about the VC, uhh... that wasn't directed to you. Are you on drugs? ...that was directed to the person who said their friend is getting a Wii to play NES games... and it sounded like that was the only thing they were really excited about, so then paying 250$ to play old NES games didn't sound like a good buy at all. Wow who knew such a long post could be so full of bull crap.
 
^ Did you not understand that he was using point of references?

And I agree, Strell's post was pretty brilliant and right on the mark.
 
I actually won this thread a few pages ago when I wrote:

I say buy them if you want them leave them if you don't.

Close Thread.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']Blah. Blah. Blah.[/QUOTE]

Listen, if I were you, and I'd just come off the ass-reaming from about 4-5 different posters who all tore your inane and worthless arguments to shreds, and the best you can muster afterward is something that insignificant, I'd think I'd try to cut my losses and stfu. What I most certainly wouldn't do is try to look cheeky and relevent by using the same words against one of those 4-5 posters in an attempt to be a scumbag revolutionary.

If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.

If you have nothing smart to say, then stfu.

I imagine it would be hard to stand on solid ground when epobirs alone already asploded your feet, knees, legs, socks, shoes, and the soapbox you were on, and then pissed on the ashes that were leftover.

Blah is right. I love when someone sees a huge post constructed well they right away think it's brilliant when it's really just idiotic. Hah. Burning PS2 games....right don't believe we ever talked about that. We're talking about old NES/Sega games here. Hmm then about the VC, uhh... that wasn't directed to you. Are you on drugs? ...that was directed to the person who said their friend is getting a Wii to play NES games... and it sounded like that was the only thing they were really excited about, so then paying 250$ to play old NES games didn't sound like a good buy at all. Wow who knew such a long post could be so full of bull crap.
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I imagine you're the type of guy that sees a large post and immediately suspects it is brilliant.

Burning PS2 games is a heightened form of emulation, and you'd be an idiot to not know the difference. It's just that some people equate what is in stores now to be a wholly different arena than what was available back then. In both instances, the common ground is that you get something you didn't pay for. The fact that people try to pretend their relevance is worlds apart is misdirection and does not change the original problem. And like it or not, this has been discussed in this thread.

Obviously nothing about the VC was directed at me. So maybe you missed the part where I was attacking the arguments going on in this thread, as opposed to a person directly (like I am doing now).
 
Ok well no I don't think long posts are brilliant, which is why I posted that you guys think they are cause nearly every long post is followed by a "clap clap brilliant, your a genius! Thread closed all other points invalid" Or some other useless BS that only shows they're an idiot. Ok so of course burning PS2 games is emulation, DUHHHhh, but thats COMPLETELY different than emulating NES and Sega games, since they are no longer in production and much harder to find! It's like downloading some old episode of a show that was released on video from a long time ago, and burning ps2 games is more like downloading a new movie from this year. Huge diff. there. And about the VC, I dont know which part of the argument you were attacking then since I don't remember a discussion about "buying a Wii just for VC games"
 
Man... some of you are getting ripped to shreds with no mercy. I love it when a person tries to come back and completely fails.:rofl:
 
Same principle in terms of how you're getting the games...You know you can emulate PS2 games on the computer as well?
 
[quote name='Spades22']Ok well no I don't think long posts are brilliant, which is why I posted that you guys think they are cause nearly every long post is followed by a "clap clap brilliant, your a genius! Thread closed all other points invalid" Or some other useless BS that only shows they're an idiot. Ok so of course burning PS2 games is emulation, DUHHHhh, but thats COMPLETELY different than emulating NES and Sega games, since they are no longer in production and much harder to find! It's like downloading some old episode of a show that was released on video from a long time ago, and burning ps2 games is more like downloading a new movie from this year. Huge diff. there. And about the VC, I dont know which part of the argument you were attacking then since I don't remember a discussion about "buying a Wii just for VC games"[/quote]Just between you and me... since this discussion is pretty much based on the VC, and you're mentioning the VC in your post - these games are now in production and very easy to find. At the click of a button, in fact. That makes them even easier to find than a new PS2 game.

But carry on with your arguments.
 
Ok everyone let's just emulate and burn everything so the video game industry goes into bankruptcy!

The one thing people fail to realize is that if the Live Arcade, PS downloadable games, and the VC do well it means more attention will be given to them. This could mean new fresh smaller games with original ideas. These games are most likely pure profit for Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony but if it aids in the creation of some really NEW games we haven't seen before than I am all for it. Geometry Wars was a simple game that took off because it was fun. We need more of that.

Everyone wants there 40 million dollar epics right? These profits will help fuel bigger projects. It might also fuel people taking chances on new franchises. I'm thinking the PSP has lost out on some game sales due to ISOS and what not and its negatively affecting what will come out on the platform in the future.

Maybe PSP games and say NES or SNES games aren't exactly in the same category because those games are no longer being sold. However once the VC launches it takes away from the potential gain that everyone could get from some new projects that could come from its sales.

For everyone complaining about prices I would think A LOT of people would jump at the chance to play FFVII for $15 or Earthbound for $8. Some of these games are in collections (Sonic and so on) so get those. Then for games that you can't get elsewhere there is now a choice. No one is forcing your hand to pay for them. If you are happy with emulation there is nothing anyone could do to change your mind...but don't be so blind as to think it won't affect anyone.
 
I'm just getting the rarer ones (Gunstar Heroes, SNES rpgs).

But my god would I give Konami soooo much head if they released Dracula X Chi no Rondo
 
Does anyone remember the Dreamcast? Remember how it was a great system with one serious flaw (aside from being in the line of te Sega CD, 32X, Saturn, etc.)? You could just burn discs. Sega lost a ton of the profit they might have otherwise had. Dreamcast died, and Sega, by and large, went down the crapper.

jkam is absoluetly right. The robbing of profit from the industry isn't so much stealing from game companies (though it is, regardless of what your legal mumbo-jumbo might call it) as it is stealing from yourself.

Don't want anymore games? Steal the ones available and your wish will be granted.

If VC/XBLA/PSDownload games are infalted to aid in the creation of EPICS along the lines of Twilight Princess, Shadow of the Colossus, Okami, Halo, etc., I guess I'm ok with that.

I think the principle problem with people feeling things are overpriced is that they're forgetting the cardinal rule of CAG: the patient save money. Points go on sale at retail, games will drop in thier point cost, and promotions will come to get games free with a purchase or for a limited time.

Certainly not every game is worth the price. I wouldn't pay $8 to own Altered Beast, ever. Nor would I pay $5 for Urban Champion. But as jkam pointed out, the pricing structure allows from some STEALS in the future, assuming they keep things on the same level.
 
[quote name='Strell']Listen, if I were you, and I'd just come off the ass-reaming from about 4-5 different posters who all tore your inane and worthless arguments to shreds, and the best you can muster afterward is something that insignificant, I'd think I'd try to cut my losses and stfu. What I most certainly wouldn't do is try to look cheeky and relevent by using the same words against one of those 4-5 posters in an attempt to be a scumbag revolutionary.

If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.

If you have nothing smart to say, then stfu.

I imagine it would be hard to stand on solid ground when epobirs alone already asploded your feet, knees, legs, socks, shoes, and the soapbox you were on, and then pissed on the ashes that were leftover.
[/quote]
It's funny, because until at least three posts into this thread, you didn't give anything meaningful at all except saying the same kind of stuff I just did.

And if you really believe I came off an "assreaming" I'll let you keep thinking that. Especially if you think any of this matters to me at all.

More than anything, I was happy to have a constructive arguement with epobirs, but you had to keep throwing out immature personal comments and everyone else ran this topic into the ground.

My entire point from the beginning of this thread was virtual console games compared to compilations are a huge rip off. And I still stand by that. You and others have tried to argue that I'm somehow wrong because I'm not the targeted audience. Still, that doesn't change the fact that the games are overpriced, especially considering you can get them for less than $1 elsewhere.

I've asked several people which they'd rather have and every single one of them said they'd rather have the compilation. Hands down. And none of them would I consider anything but a casual gamer.

Not only do you not get a physical item in return for your money with the virtual game, we still have no clue whether these games will have any updated features like we already know we have in many compilations. Like I said before, the only way to justify these prices is if they have something available that they didn't have before, like online play, achievements, etc. But still, charging $8 is still too much for games that cost the developer much at all.

They could sell these games for $1-$2 and still turn a profit.

I'm not thinking of this as a CAG but as any near intelligent consumer would.

28 games for $20 > 1 game for $8.
 
[quote name='daroga']Does anyone remember the Dreamcast? Remember how it was a great system with one serious flaw (aside from being in the line of te Sega CD, 32X, Saturn, etc.)? You could just burn discs. Sega lost a ton of the profit they might have otherwise had. Dreamcast died, and Sega, by and large, went down the crapper.

jkam is absoluetly right. The robbing of profit from the industry isn't so much stealing from game companies (though it is, regardless of what your legal mumbo-jumbo might call it) as it is stealing from yourself.

Don't want anymore games? Steal the ones available and your wish will be granted.

If VC/XBLA/PSDownload games are infalted to aid in the creation of EPICS along the lines of Twilight Princess, Shadow of the Colossus, Okami, Halo, etc., I guess I'm ok with that.

I think the principle problem with people feeling things are overpriced is that they're forgetting the cardinal rule of CAG: the patient save money. Points go on sale at retail, games will drop in thier point cost, and promotions will come to get games free with a purchase or for a limited time.

Certainly not every game is worth the price. I wouldn't pay $8 to own Altered Beast, ever. Nor would I pay $5 for Urban Champion. But as jkam pointed out, the pricing structure allows from some STEALS in the future, assuming they keep things on the same level.[/QUOTE]

The PS2 might have had a much bigger role in the Dreamcast's death than emulation IMO
 
[quote name='crazytalkx']The PS2 might have had a much bigger role in the Dreamcast's death than emulation IMO[/quote] It was under 10 months from the PS2's launch till Sega annouced the plug was pulled (3 from the US release). While the PS2 was definite competition for the DC, there was hardly enough time for the PS2 to bite the DC. If anything, the original Playstation contributed to the DC's death, not the PS2.

Sega's poor track record coupled with crippiling piracy (game theft for those of you keeping score at home) killed the DC.
 
[quote name='VAD3R or Fro']Theirs another thing you can do if you dont like the prices. Dont buy them.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but that would imply common sense and that's against the rules here at Gamefaqs. You're supposed to support your opinion relentlessly while calling anyone else who thinks differently an idiot.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']28 games for $20 > 1 game for $8.[/QUOTE]

True - but in order to get those 28 games for $20, you need to buy a $150 system. If a consumer isn't interested in buying some iteration of a Playstation or Xbox but wants a Wii, then it makes sense to buy the games via the Virtual Console. Remember that the Wii is partially (or largely depending on who you ask) to people who do not own a console already so the price is "reasonable".
 
[quote name='Ecofreak']True - but in order to get those 28 games for $20, you need to buy a $150 system. If a consumer isn't interested in buying some iteration of a Playstation or Xbox but wants a Wii, then it makes sense to buy the games via the Virtual Console. Remember that the Wii is partially (or largely depending on who you ask) to people who do not own a console already so the price is "reasonable".[/quote]

Is there really anyone out there who doesn't own a PS2 at this point? I think there's more PS2s in people's homes than toasters.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']Is there really anyone out there who doesn't own a PS2 at this point? I think there's more PS2s in people's homes than toasters.[/QUOTE]

If you take remove everyone under the age of 30 living with their parents, then yes, such a market does exist.

And dude, toasters are an unfair comparison. Those things went out with the casette tape so of course there are more PS2s in homes than said appliance. Now a days it's all about toaster ovens! Get with the times, bro!
 
[quote name='Ecofreak']If you take remove everyone under the age of 30 living with their parents, then yes, such a market does exist.

And dude, toasters are an unfair comparison. Those things went out with the casette tape so of course there are more PS2s in homes than said appliance. Now a days it's all about toaster ovens! Get with the times, bro![/quote]

Okay, how about wood-burning stoves? :)
 
[quote name='Ecofreak']If you take remove everyone under the age of 30 living with their parents, then yes, such a market does exist.

And dude, toasters are an unfair comparison. Those things went out with the casette tape so of course there are more PS2s in homes than said appliance. Now a days it's all about toaster ovens! Get with the times, bro![/QUOTE]


woot toaster ovens 4 lyfe
 
[quote name='daroga']The robbing of profit from the industry isn't so much stealing from game companies (though it is, regardless of what your legal mumbo-jumbo might call it) as it is stealing from yourself.[/QUOTE]

I thought you cared about the law, but I guess not so much when the law disagrees with you.

You're a rapist. That's a term I suggest to use for people like you, who muddle issues by comparing civil wrongs to violent crimes. I gave it a name currently used for a violent crime to sway public opinion. There.
 
[quote name='eldad9']I thought you cared about the law, but I guess not so much when the law disagrees with you.

You're a rapist. That's a term I suggest to use for people like you, who muddle issues by comparing civil wrongs to violet crimes. I gave it a name currently used for a violent crime to sway public opinion. There.[/quote]Fine. Pirating isn't stealing from game developers and programmers. In fact, pirating games helps them. It makes their families giddy with delight. They plead with you pirate their games all the time so their life can be fulfilled.

I'll admit my error in terminology. But to claim that software piracy isn't stealing ("to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right"), and that stealing isn't a crime ("An act committed or omitted in violation of a law forbidding or commanding it and for which punishment is imposed upon conviction.") is not only illogical but ignores most conventions of English.

This is done now, ok? :)
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Toasters FTW. If I wanted an oven, I'd get an oven, not a toaster oven.[/QUOTE]


psh, typical toaster fanboy talk! :roll:
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Toasters FTW. If I wanted an oven, I'd get an oven, not a toaster oven.[/quote]

Toaster ovens heat up quicker than a regular oven, with a toaster oven you get toast as well as a way to heat up 2 slices of pizza in under 6 minutes.

Here's what I don't get about games, let's say the whole world is shrunk down to just one town of 100 people. A game company makes a game and makes 50 copies. Five people in town buy the game, beat it and return it to to EBgames. Little by little everyone in town buys the same 5 copies and never buys a new copy, the game company goes out of business and no more games are made, but yet, nobody did anything illegal.

Downloading a game and playing it on a modded system: Wrong
Renting a game and making a copy: Wrong
Buying a used game from EBGames: Not Wrong.
 
[quote name='daroga']Fine. Pirating isn't stealing from game developers and programmers. In fact, pirating games helps them. It makes their families giddy with delight. They plead with you pirate their games all the time so their life can be fulfilled.

I'll admit my error in terminology. But to claim that software piracy isn't stealing ("to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right"), and that stealing isn't a crime ("An act committed or omitted in violation of a law forbidding or commanding it and for which punishment is imposed upon conviction.") is not only illogical but ignores most conventions of English.

This is done now, ok? :)[/QUOTE]

It's almost done.

"Stealing" is a layman's term for theft; it has no place in a legal discussion. Nobody's ever been arrested for stealing.

Making a copy is not the same thing as taking. Sorry. You don't like either but that doesn't make them the same thing. Alcohol and cocaine both have the capacity to destroy lives; that does not make cocaine a type of alcoholic drink.

And I'm afraid you still don't know enough about the legal system to tell the difference between civil and criminal matters.

So:

Infringement isn't piracy; it's often referred to as "piracy" in the same way loyalists refer to disloyalty as "treason".

Infringement isn't theft.

Infringement is a civil matter, not a criminal one. It's not a crime.

We're done now, unless there's still something you don't understand. Feel free to ask.
 
I haven't read this whole thread.. it's too big.

All I wanted to say is that XBL Arcade UMK3 is some of the best $5 I've ever spent on games. (got the $5 GoW Preorder/ $5 MS Points card deal) I've played nearly 200 matches online and actuallly took the time to get all 200 achievement points. It's so well done and reminds me of the arcades back in the day. I hope we get lots more games like this on the arcade. Killer Instinct, Tekken, Soul Blade, SSF2T..
 
[quote name='JimmieMac']Here's what I don't get about games, let's say the whole world is shrunk down to just one town of 100 people. A game company makes a game and makes 50 copies. Five people in town buy the game, beat it and return it to to EBgames. Little by little everyone in town buys the same 5 copies and never buys a new copy, the game company goes out of business and no more games are made, but yet, nobody did anything illegal.

Downloading a game and playing it on a modded system: Wrong
Renting a game and making a copy: Wrong
Buying a used game from EBGames: Not Wrong.[/QUOTE]

The industry sometimes claims the secondary market is "stealing" income from them, but that's plain silly; it's like claiming the used car market is bad for the same reason. When you buy an item, it's yours; you can sell it. That's part of what you're paying for.

Most developers would kill to get sales equal to five percent of the installed base. In your world, it would never have been economical to make commercial games in the first place. In fact, there wouldn't be any consoles at all. So they haven't really lost anything.

Of course, they could always lobby the mayor of the world to make used sales illegal outrageously demand fees from used sales - I think the music industry's tried both of these at some point in our world.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']If you want speed, the microwave's your appliance.[/quote]True, but microwaves are all quantity over quality.

Sure you're warming crap up, but it's poorly warmed.
 
[quote name='daroga']True, but microwaves are all quantity over quality.

Sure you're warming crap up, but it's poorly warmed.[/QUOTE]

This man speaks the truth. I can practically taste the radiation in my food when it's reheated with a microwave.
 
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