EA IS THE DEVIL!!!!! NO MORE ESPN FOOTBALL GAMES !!!

[quote name='dafoomie']I think this gives us an idea of EA's attitude... Instead of reacting to stronger competition by making a better game, or having a lower price point, or giving us a reason to buy their product over the other, they simply pay a lot of money so that there can be no competition at all.

How much money do you think is going to be left in the Madden budget for the actual game after the NFL gets their huge chunk of money? If you think 2002-2005 have been basically the same game, wait for the next 5 years.

Sega will have to focus their efforts on making better games for the other sports, and they'll probably heavily market their NCAA game.[/quote]

You guys are funny. Madden is an incredible game and every ESPN 2K5 fan knows it. The 2K franchise has done an excellent job at creating a market for itself. The Price Drop did indeed create a buying spree for the title. I bought it this year and did not buy Madden for the first time since it came out. I was actually happy with the ESPN title. Don't get me wrong, it never really felt the same for me. It had more to do with the fact that ESPN 2K5 shipped so much sooner than Madden. I was ready for a football fix.

I'm not a big fan of the "Crib" and the celebrity thing was a little cheasy. Overall, I think the 2 titles were amazingly close. ESPN 2K titles would eventually have gone up in price. It was their hope to get converts. EA figures that with the titles being so close, taking the exclusivity was the only option to take them out of the game.

You people can whine about big ole bad EA all you want. Let's see a show of hands: Who is using Windows, who owns a XBox, who plays an EA title. you bought Halo 2, and this list could go on and on. Microsoft is a much bigger culprit.

All you people with you complaints should realize that this is BIG BUSINESS. This is going to happen. Video games is no longer a hobby. It is part of corporate America. People love interactive entertainment. Its better than TV or the movies. It happened in television and in film. The little studios get eaten by the big ones.
 
[quote name='diggityjones']You people can whine about big ole bad EA all you want. Let's see a show of hands: Who is using Windows, who owns a XBox, who plays an EA title. you bought Halo 2, and this list could go on and on. Microsoft is a much bigger culprit.

All you people with you complaints should realize that this is BIG BUSINESS. This is going to happen. Video games is no longer a hobby. It is part of corporate America. People love interactive entertainment. Its better than TV or the movies. It happened in television and in film. The little studios get eaten by the big ones.[/quote]

Funny thing about that; Microsfot was hit with a half-billion Euro fine (~$613 million) earlier this year for behaving in this way you simply write off as "big business." CNN.com

I am a whiner. I admit it. I'm fucking whining. Why am I whining?

Because I recognize something that few people do; in a state of awareness, the consumer is more powerful than the corporation. In a state of apathy, the consumers lay prostrate and allow the companies to do as they want; as choice is reduced, and mediocrity becomes the norm, we shrug our shoulders and say "it's just business." Of course, there are much more important things that this points to than video games, but that is beyond the scope of this thread.

What is your point? What will you *not* accept from big business? At what point will you finally become fed up with what big business tries to dictate for you? Will it be a price increase? Well, one analytical cause for the NFL's desire to go exclusive was, in fact, because of the Sega sports price drop; you, as a business, do not want to see prices drop on your branded merchandise; that's some serious money losses. So, in the face of competition, we expect prices to drop as one form of competition; one corollary of that, is, in fact, that in the absence of competition, prices are no longer regulated.

If you think EA will continue to charge $50 for games in spite of the tremendous increases in the cost of game production over the years, you're a fool. If you think that you, Joe (or Jane) Consumer, will not bear the burden of Electronic Arts having to pay its workers for each and every hour that they are on the clock, you are a fool.

I completely fail to understand why some of you fools are happy. What the hell is the beneficial aspects of this?

Y'all are disgraces to the Cheap Ass Gamer name.

myke.
 
[quote name='guardian_owl'][quote name='punqsux']anyone that wants to, feel free to steal my sig[/quote] :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Oh that is good[/quote]

thanks owl ^^

hey mmn, go fuck yourself, some of us like competition in video games.
 
[quote name='MadFlava']This is unbelievable, I didn't think that EA could sink lower than this.[/quote]
I do, they are doing what any smart company does. Placing themselves in a position to out do thier competition. Like I have said before, Yes it sucks. But can you blame EA. Just like Coke making contracts to be the official soft drink of the NBA or something like that. It is good for thier business.
 
hehe I was only kidding about EA buying Sammy. :lol:

No matter how good Madden is, it limits our choices. Nothing will be there to push EA to make to most kickass game of all time. It would be just a few more tweaks, new feature or two, and more than likely a higher pricetag.

Buying up something so that there is no competition is no good for us gamers. EA is doing alot of that lately.
 
[quote name='Dogpatch']
No matter how good Madden is, it limits our choices. Nothing will be there to push EA to make to most kickass game of all time. It would be just a few more tweaks, new feature or two, and more than likely a higher pricetag.

Buying up something so that there is no competition is no good for us gamers. EA is doing alot of that lately.[/quote]

this is why im angry about this. i enjoy madden games (of course being a cag, i stay one year behind them ^^) but as i said before, i wont buy their games now because of their business practices.
 
I bet EA spent probably a boat load of money to get this 5 year exclusive licence with both the NFL and the Player's Association. They will probably need to recoup that money somehow with probably raising the price of the game and charging PS2 users to play online.

As for the NHL, they will be an easy target to sign an exclusive deal also with the lockout and the lost revenue. Say good bye to ESPN NHL too in the near future.
 
[quote name='MadFlava']
As for the NHL, they will be an easy target to sign an exclusive deal also with the lockout and the lost revenue. Say good bye to ESPN NHL too in the near future.[/quote]
dont even joke about that... maybe since the NHL is hurting for money so bad, sega could actually afford to buy them up and be the only NHL game in town. I would rather have that then have EA own rights to every sports league in existence
 
I read the first 5 pages but no one has mentioned that now you can expect to see a $55-$60 Madden from now. EA must make their money back on this and I am sure that fans (retards) will pay it.

Expect a huge increase in the price. I have always hated EA for various reasons...now I really want to smash someone in the face.
 
[quote name='defender']I read the first 5 pages but no one has mentioned that now you can expect to see a $55-$60 Madden from now. EA must make their money back on this and I am sure that fans (retards) will pay it.

Expect a huge increase in the price. I have always hated EA for various reasons...now I really want to smash someone in the face.[/quote]

Oh, it's been mentioned; those few (such as mmn) mention that expecting a price inscrease is absurd. Of course, since they are the only game in town, they will charge more for it. It may be $50 retail, but expect to pay to play online; expect to pay over the online fee to play fantasy leagues, and expect to pay for roster updates.

Expect EA to milk you for all you've got, as if they had the only football game in town.

...waitaminute!

myke.
 
[quote name='mykevermin'][quote name='defender']I read the first 5 pages but no one has mentioned that now you can expect to see a $55-$60 Madden from now. EA must make their money back on this and I am sure that fans (retards) will pay it.

Expect a huge increase in the price. I have always hated EA for various reasons...now I really want to smash someone in the face.[/quote]

Oh, it's been mentioned; those few (such as mmn) mention that expecting a price inscrease is absurd. Of course, since they are the only game in town, they will charge more for it. It may be $50 retail, but expect to pay to play online; expect to pay over the online fee to play fantasy leagues, and expect to pay for roster updates.

Expect EA to milk you for all you've got, as if they had the only football game in town.

...waitaminute!

myke.[/quote]

mmn is one of the few people in here who don't know this is a bad thing... :roll:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
If you think EA will continue to charge $50 for games in spite of the tremendous increases in the cost of game production over the years, you're a fool. If you think that you, Joe (or Jane) Consumer, will not bear the burden of Electronic Arts having to pay its workers for each and every hour that they are on the clock, you are a fool.

myke.[/quote]

No offense, but that's too funny, too, too funny. We now all know how EA studios are run (like sweatshops), and Tiburon was the biggest offender.
 
[quote name='craven_fiend']i know what you mean, but i just got home (half night of work) and found out about it and added my 2 cents. maybe sega will start making a mutant league-esque football game. those were cool.[/quote]

I thought the same thing except EA made them.
 
[quote name='BigDirty'][quote name='mykevermin']
If you think EA will continue to charge $50 for games in spite of the tremendous increases in the cost of game production over the years, you're a fool. If you think that you, Joe (or Jane) Consumer, will not bear the burden of Electronic Arts having to pay its workers for each and every hour that they are on the clock, you are a fool.

myke.[/quote]

No offense, but that's too funny, too, too funny. We now all know how EA studios are run (like sweatshops), and Tiburon was the biggest offender.[/quote]

I'm not so certain how I'm supposed to take offense to that.

EDIT: Unless you interpreted my post to imply that EA workers ARE paid for their time; I was (awkwardly) presuming that things will improve for EA employees due to the increasingly public dialogue about the workers' conditions and pay. If it does improve, if the workers are paid for their work (and I certainly hope that they do), then I have no doubt that the consumers will bear the burden of those wages. EA sure as hell won't eat it up.

myke.
 
[quote name='mykevermin'][quote name='BigDirty'][quote name='mykevermin']
If you think EA will continue to charge $50 for games in spite of the tremendous increases in the cost of game production over the years, you're a fool. If you think that you, Joe (or Jane) Consumer, will not bear the burden of Electronic Arts having to pay its workers for each and every hour that they are on the clock, you are a fool.

myke.[/quote]

No offense, but that's too funny, too, too funny. We now all know how EA studios are run (like sweatshops), and Tiburon was the biggest offender.[/quote]

I'm not so certain how I'm supposed to take offense to that.

myke.[/quote]

Thinking that EA pays their workers a fair living wage, when in actuallity, they do sometimes in the neck of the woods of 40 hours unpaid overtime, just to keep their "cool jobs". It ends up that EA only pays for about 1/2-2/3 the hours actually on the clock.
 
I believe it said in the article that there were a number of companies bidding for the exclusive rights to the NFL, etc...

At first, I was upset at EA as well, as I prefer anything SEGA over EA. Plus, what a crock to have but ONE choice of NFL game over the next 5 years (at least)!

But, I have to imagine that SEGA was in the bidding for the exclusive rights as well, which means they were prepared to put me in the same predicament: Only ONE NFL game to choose from for the next 5 years (at least!). So, I understand what EA is doing (I don't like it, I'd like it more if it were SEGA, but I understand). They are trying to corner the NFL videogame market (pretty much accomplished their mission, I might add) just like every other American business tries to obtain as much market share in their respective fields as possible.

Just a thought...


jeug
 
[quote name='jeugder']I believe it said in the article that there were a number of companies bidding for the exclusive rights to the NFL, etc...

At first, I was upset at EA as well, as I prefer anything SEGA over EA. Plus, what a crock to have but ONE choice of NFL game over the next 5 years (at least)!

But, I have to imagine that SEGA was in the bidding for the exclusive rights as well, which means they were prepared to put me in the same predicament: Only ONE NFL game to choose from for the next 5 years (at least!). So, I understand what EA is doing (I don't like it, I'd like it more if it were SEGA, but I understand). They are trying to corner the NFL videogame market (pretty much accomplished their mission, I might add) just like every other American business tries to obtain as much market share in their respective fields as possible.

Just a thought...


jeug[/quote]

yeah, the article said that other companies did, but be realistic about it, no company could have put a bid to match EA, save for microsoft but then football would have been only one console, but even if other companies, like sega, put a bid in for exclusive rights they never had a chance and probably only tried to do so because EA did it
 
[quote name='BigDirty'][quote name='mykevermin'][quote name='BigDirty'][quote name='mykevermin']
If you think EA will continue to charge $50 for games in spite of the tremendous increases in the cost of game production over the years, you're a fool. If you think that you, Joe (or Jane) Consumer, will not bear the burden of Electronic Arts having to pay its workers for each and every hour that they are on the clock, you are a fool.

myke.[/quote]

No offense, but that's too funny, too, too funny. We now all know how EA studios are run (like sweatshops), and Tiburon was the biggest offender.[/quote]

I'm not so certain how I'm supposed to take offense to that.

myke.[/quote]

Thinking that EA pays their workers a fair living wage, when in actuallity, they do sometimes in the neck of the woods of 40 hours unpaid overtime, just to keep their "cool jobs". It ends up that EA only pays for about 1/2-2/3 the hours actually on the clock.[/quote]

You should check out the other EA thread, which has EA's response to these journals. They've said that they will be taking feedback on how to change the system and explain how something like this went on. They're working hard to change the things that've gone wrong and make sure their workers get what they deserve. You should read if you haven't read it.
 
This just plain sucks, but I guess I can understand where EA is coming from. They want to make money. I'm sure they will sell many more copies of Madden now, since they will be the only TRUE NFL game in town. I may even buy it, since I NEED my new football games each year. I have been with NFL 2K series, but w/o NFL players, it's just not the same.

I just hope EA shapes up and makes the franchise mode GOOD. I don't want to sell hot-dogs or anything like that.
 
There is no way that Sega's bid was competitive to that of EA. I'm sure they made an offer and it wasn't even close.

If EA lost Madden the headlines in the WSJ and every mainstream publication would decry it as the beginning of the end of EA. They had no choice but to pay through the nose. I hope to God that $250 million for the life of the contract rumor is/was true. I hope they choke on it.

I will not buy Madden. Haven't since 1994.... won't start now.
 
[quote name='Demontooth']When the 2005 football season starts couldn't Sega just release roster updates for EPSN 2K5?[/quote]

I posted this idea last night a few pages back.

Sega has a license with the NFL for the 2004 season, right? Well, what if Sega just continued to update ESPN NFL 2k5 for the next five years?

I doubt the NFL can make Sega close down its servers for a game they've already sold and are now supporting.

Sega could then make some easy roster moves that would not necessarily name a new player on a team, but they'd let you easily change his name yourself, and they would make their attributes consistent to what they are in real life.

Sega could also update and improve the gameplay, add in new features and other content. The catch here is that with every new update which could happen every three or four months, they could charge $10 or whatever they feel is reasonable.

Basically, Sega would just continue to update NFL 2k5 and make it so where you can easily have an updated roster and it would compete with Madden in every way.

Because they would just be updating an older game, I wouldn't think they'd be infringing on any license deal with the NFL because they wouldn't be updating it with any NFL-owned content.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='Demontooth']When the 2005 football season starts couldn't Sega just release roster updates for EPSN 2K5?[/quote]

I posted this idea last night a few pages back.

Sega has a license with the NFL for the 2004 season, right? Well, what if Sega just continued to update ESPN NFL 2k5 for the next five years?

I doubt the NFL can make Sega close down its servers for a game they've already sold and are now supporting.

Sega could then make some easy roster moves that would not necessarily name a new player on a team, but they'd let you easily change his name yourself, and they would make their attributes consistent to what they are in real life.

Sega could also update and improve the gameplay, add in new features and other content. The catch here is that with every new update which could happen every three or four months, they could charge $10 or whatever they feel is reasonable.

Basically, Sega would just continue to update NFL 2k5 and make it so where you can easily have an updated roster and it would compete with Madden in every way.

Because they would just be updating an older game, I wouldn't think they'd be infringing on any license deal with the NFL because they wouldn't be updating it with any NFL-owned content.[/quote]

They might be able to update rosters up until February 13th, but after that EA then owns the license. Then Sega wouldn't be allowed to use real names, teams, or the NFL in a future update because they wouldn't actually have the license.
 
[quote name='MadFlava']I bet EA spent probably a boat load of money to get this 5 year exclusive licence with both the NFL and the Player's Association. They will probably need to recoup that money somehow with probably raising the price of the game and charging PS2 users to play online.[/quote]

The financial analysts are already calling for a price hike for Madden next year.

Jeremy
 
[quote name='CrashSpyro123'][quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='Demontooth']When the 2005 football season starts couldn't Sega just release roster updates for EPSN 2K5?[/quote]

I posted this idea last night a few pages back.

Sega has a license with the NFL for the 2004 season, right? Well, what if Sega just continued to update ESPN NFL 2k5 for the next five years?

I doubt the NFL can make Sega close down its servers for a game they've already sold and are now supporting.

Sega could then make some easy roster moves that would not necessarily name a new player on a team, but they'd let you easily change his name yourself, and they would make their attributes consistent to what they are in real life.

Sega could also update and improve the gameplay, add in new features and other content. The catch here is that with every new update which could happen every three or four months, they could charge $10 or whatever they feel is reasonable.

Basically, Sega would just continue to update NFL 2k5 and make it so where you can easily have an updated roster and it would compete with Madden in every way.

Because they would just be updating an older game, I wouldn't think they'd be infringing on any license deal with the NFL because they wouldn't be updating it with any NFL-owned content.[/quote]

They might be able to update rosters up until February 13th, but after that EA then owns the license. Then Sega wouldn't be allowed to use real names, teams, or the NFL in a future update because they wouldn't actually have the license.[/quote]

Right .... buuuuuuuuut, they could send out an update that would allow you to change player names, team names, stadium names or anything else that Sega can't do.

If they could just move around some of the players and give them generic names, then we could go back and fix the names.

It would be a way Sega could still have an updated and competitive game to go up against Madden.
 
[quote name='iheartmetal']yeah, the article said that other companies did, but be realistic about it, no company could have put a bid to match EA, save for microsoft but then football would have been only one console, but even if other companies, like sega, put a bid in for exclusive rights they never had a chance and probably only tried to do so because EA did it[/quote]

Yup, in all honesty blame the NFL because they were actively soliciting bids for an exclusive agreement. If EA didn't go after it they would have been the one on the losing end.

Jeremy
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='CrashSpyro123'][quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='Demontooth']When the 2005 football season starts couldn't Sega just release roster updates for EPSN 2K5?[/quote]

I posted this idea last night a few pages back.

Sega has a license with the NFL for the 2004 season, right? Well, what if Sega just continued to update ESPN NFL 2k5 for the next five years?

I doubt the NFL can make Sega close down its servers for a game they've already sold and are now supporting.

Sega could then make some easy roster moves that would not necessarily name a new player on a team, but they'd let you easily change his name yourself, and they would make their attributes consistent to what they are in real life.

Sega could also update and improve the gameplay, add in new features and other content. The catch here is that with every new update which could happen every three or four months, they could charge $10 or whatever they feel is reasonable.

Basically, Sega would just continue to update NFL 2k5 and make it so where you can easily have an updated roster and it would compete with Madden in every way.

Because they would just be updating an older game, I wouldn't think they'd be infringing on any license deal with the NFL because they wouldn't be updating it with any NFL-owned content.[/quote]

They might be able to update rosters up until February 13th, but after that EA then owns the license. Then Sega wouldn't be allowed to use real names, teams, or the NFL in a future update because they wouldn't actually have the license.[/quote]

Right .... buuuuuuuuut, they could send out an update that would allow you to change player names, team names, stadium names or anything else that Sega can't do.

If they could just move around some of the players and give them generic names, then we could go back and fix the names.

It would be a way Sega could still have an updated and competitive game to go up against Madden.[/quote]

The question is should they spend time and money to do this, or should they move on and go another route. They should just cut their losses and move on.
 
Even if it does happen, I Couldn't care less. Not a sports fan, but looks like EA want's to take over the Video Game Industry one franchise at a time. maybe bill gates has taken arms with EA's CE...:: gets attacked by ninja ::
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='Demontooth']When the 2005 football season starts couldn't Sega just release roster updates for EPSN 2K5?[/quote]

I posted this idea last night a few pages back.

Sega has a license with the NFL for the 2004 season, right? Well, what if Sega just continued to update ESPN NFL 2k5 for the next five years?

I doubt the NFL can make Sega close down its servers for a game they've already sold and are now supporting.

Sega could then make some easy roster moves that would not necessarily name a new player on a team, but they'd let you easily change his name yourself, and they would make their attributes consistent to what they are in real life.

Sega could also update and improve the gameplay, add in new features and other content. The catch here is that with every new update which could happen every three or four months, they could charge $10 or whatever they feel is reasonable.

Basically, Sega would just continue to update NFL 2k5 and make it so where you can easily have an updated roster and it would compete with Madden in every way.

Because they would just be updating an older game, I wouldn't think they'd be infringing on any license deal with the NFL because they wouldn't be updating it with any NFL-owned content.[/quote]

GameSpot recently had an opportunity to chat with Cryptic's Jack Emmert on the next content update for the studio's online game, City of Heroes. The popular superhero game has unfortunately been featured in the news most recently for the lawsuit that comic book publisher Marvel filed against it earlier this year. Cryptic's only official response continues to be the statement it made on its official Web site: "As reported by the Associated Press, Marvel Enterprises and Marvel Characters have sued NCsoft Corporation and Cryptic Studios. The complaint is meritless. Cryptic Studios is confident that the district court will reject all Marvel's claims and fully vindicate Cryptic Studios in all respects."
Click to expand...

You better believe if someone came out with a game that would allow someone to customize it to the extent it was NFL-perfect, EA and the NFL would sick their lawyers on them for licensing violations.

Unless it's Mutant Football or Cyber Football, Madden is all anyone is going to have for the next five years. I just hope someone brings back Deathrow as a franchise...

Jeremy
 
[quote name='CrashSpyro123'][quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='CrashSpyro123'][quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='Demontooth']When the 2005 football season starts couldn't Sega just release roster updates for EPSN 2K5?[/quote]

I posted this idea last night a few pages back.

Sega has a license with the NFL for the 2004 season, right? Well, what if Sega just continued to update ESPN NFL 2k5 for the next five years?

I doubt the NFL can make Sega close down its servers for a game they've already sold and are now supporting.

Sega could then make some easy roster moves that would not necessarily name a new player on a team, but they'd let you easily change his name yourself, and they would make their attributes consistent to what they are in real life.

Sega could also update and improve the gameplay, add in new features and other content. The catch here is that with every new update which could happen every three or four months, they could charge $10 or whatever they feel is reasonable.

Basically, Sega would just continue to update NFL 2k5 and make it so where you can easily have an updated roster and it would compete with Madden in every way.

Because they would just be updating an older game, I wouldn't think they'd be infringing on any license deal with the NFL because they wouldn't be updating it with any NFL-owned content.[/quote]

They might be able to update rosters up until February 13th, but after that EA then owns the license. Then Sega wouldn't be allowed to use real names, teams, or the NFL in a future update because they wouldn't actually have the license.[/quote]

Right .... buuuuuuuuut, they could send out an update that would allow you to change player names, team names, stadium names or anything else that Sega can't do.

If they could just move around some of the players and give them generic names, then we could go back and fix the names.

It would be a way Sega could still have an updated and competitive game to go up against Madden.[/quote]

The question is should they spend time and money to do this, or should they move on and go another route. They should just cut their losses and move on.[/quote]

I think Sega will have to sit down and see if doing this could yield them a profit.

Abandoning the football 2k franchise would be incredibly dumb for Sega. That's the most profitable franchise they have, so they need to find a way to keep the engine fresh and updated.

My idea is just one way Sega could possibly get around all the legal issues and take out all the NFL-owned content and let its customers add it in themselves.

I know I'd be more than happy to pay a few bucks to get an updated NFL 2k5.
 
[quote name='jrutz'][quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='Demontooth']When the 2005 football season starts couldn't Sega just release roster updates for EPSN 2K5?[/quote]

I posted this idea last night a few pages back.

Sega has a license with the NFL for the 2004 season, right? Well, what if Sega just continued to update ESPN NFL 2k5 for the next five years?

I doubt the NFL can make Sega close down its servers for a game they've already sold and are now supporting.

Sega could then make some easy roster moves that would not necessarily name a new player on a team, but they'd let you easily change his name yourself, and they would make their attributes consistent to what they are in real life.

Sega could also update and improve the gameplay, add in new features and other content. The catch here is that with every new update which could happen every three or four months, they could charge $10 or whatever they feel is reasonable.

Basically, Sega would just continue to update NFL 2k5 and make it so where you can easily have an updated roster and it would compete with Madden in every way.

Because they would just be updating an older game, I wouldn't think they'd be infringing on any license deal with the NFL because they wouldn't be updating it with any NFL-owned content.[/quote]

GameSpot recently had an opportunity to chat with Cryptic's Jack Emmert on the next content update for the studio's online game, City of Heroes. The popular superhero game has unfortunately been featured in the news most recently for the lawsuit that comic book publisher Marvel filed against it earlier this year. Cryptic's only official response continues to be the statement it made on its official Web site: "As reported by the Associated Press, Marvel Enterprises and Marvel Characters have sued NCsoft Corporation and Cryptic Studios. The complaint is meritless. Cryptic Studios is confident that the district court will reject all Marvel's claims and fully vindicate Cryptic Studios in all respects."
Click to expand...

You better believe if someone came out with a game that would allow someone to customize it to the extent it was NFL-perfect, EA and the NFL would sick their lawyers on them for licensing violations.

Unless it's Mutant Football or Cyber Football, Madden is all anyone is going to have for the next five years. I just hope someone brings back Deathrow as a franchise...

Jeremy[/quote]

People have been doing this for years with college games.

It's no different.

EA would have to take any game company to court and have the judge rule that no other game company can make a game that allows users to customize player's names, teams or anything else affiliated with the NFL.

That would never, ever happen.

Oh and guess what ... EA owns the Mutant League franchise. :roll:
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='CrashSpyro123'][quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='CrashSpyro123'][quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='Demontooth']When the 2005 football season starts couldn't Sega just release roster updates for EPSN 2K5?[/quote]

I posted this idea last night a few pages back.

Sega has a license with the NFL for the 2004 season, right? Well, what if Sega just continued to update ESPN NFL 2k5 for the next five years?

I doubt the NFL can make Sega close down its servers for a game they've already sold and are now supporting.

Sega could then make some easy roster moves that would not necessarily name a new player on a team, but they'd let you easily change his name yourself, and they would make their attributes consistent to what they are in real life.

Sega could also update and improve the gameplay, add in new features and other content. The catch here is that with every new update which could happen every three or four months, they could charge $10 or whatever they feel is reasonable.

Basically, Sega would just continue to update NFL 2k5 and make it so where you can easily have an updated roster and it would compete with Madden in every way.

Because they would just be updating an older game, I wouldn't think they'd be infringing on any license deal with the NFL because they wouldn't be updating it with any NFL-owned content.[/quote]

They might be able to update rosters up until February 13th, but after that EA then owns the license. Then Sega wouldn't be allowed to use real names, teams, or the NFL in a future update because they wouldn't actually have the license.[/quote]

Right .... buuuuuuuuut, they could send out an update that would allow you to change player names, team names, stadium names or anything else that Sega can't do.

If they could just move around some of the players and give them generic names, then we could go back and fix the names.

It would be a way Sega could still have an updated and competitive game to go up against Madden.[/quote]

The question is should they spend time and money to do this, or should they move on and go another route. They should just cut their losses and move on.[/quote]

I think Sega will have to sit down and see if doing this could yield them a profit.

Abandoning the football 2k franchise would be incredibly dumb for Sega. That's the most profitable franchise they have, so they need to find a way to keep the engine fresh and updated.

My idea is just one way Sega could possibly get around all the legal issues and take out all the NFL-owned content and let its customers add it in themselves.

I know I'd be more than happy to pay a few bucks to get an updated NFL 2k5.[/quote]

As was posted above, that's not looking like much of a great option, but I do believe that suit will fall through. Though Madden 64 didn't have the NFL license, and it pretty much was the NFL without players' names, teams, stadiums, and such.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='jrutz'][quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='Demontooth']When the 2005 football season starts couldn't Sega just release roster updates for EPSN 2K5?[/quote]

I posted this idea last night a few pages back.

Sega has a license with the NFL for the 2004 season, right? Well, what if Sega just continued to update ESPN NFL 2k5 for the next five years?

I doubt the NFL can make Sega close down its servers for a game they've already sold and are now supporting.

Sega could then make some easy roster moves that would not necessarily name a new player on a team, but they'd let you easily change his name yourself, and they would make their attributes consistent to what they are in real life.

Sega could also update and improve the gameplay, add in new features and other content. The catch here is that with every new update which could happen every three or four months, they could charge $10 or whatever they feel is reasonable.

Basically, Sega would just continue to update NFL 2k5 and make it so where you can easily have an updated roster and it would compete with Madden in every way.

Because they would just be updating an older game, I wouldn't think they'd be infringing on any license deal with the NFL because they wouldn't be updating it with any NFL-owned content.[/quote]

GameSpot recently had an opportunity to chat with Cryptic's Jack Emmert on the next content update for the studio's online game, City of Heroes. The popular superhero game has unfortunately been featured in the news most recently for the lawsuit that comic book publisher Marvel filed against it earlier this year. Cryptic's only official response continues to be the statement it made on its official Web site: "As reported by the Associated Press, Marvel Enterprises and Marvel Characters have sued NCsoft Corporation and Cryptic Studios. The complaint is meritless. Cryptic Studios is confident that the district court will reject all Marvel's claims and fully vindicate Cryptic Studios in all respects."
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You better believe if someone came out with a game that would allow someone to customize it to the extent it was NFL-perfect, EA and the NFL would sick their lawyers on them for licensing violations.

Unless it's Mutant Football or Cyber Football, Madden is all anyone is going to have for the next five years. I just hope someone brings back Deathrow as a franchise...

Jeremy[/quote]

People have been doing this for years with college games.

It's no different.

EA would have to take any game company to court and have the judge rule that no other game company can make a game that allows users to customize player's names, teams or anything else affiliated with the NFL.

That would never, ever happen.

Oh and guess what ... EA owns the Mutant League franchise. :roll:[/quote]

Though the difference with NCAA is that the companies are forced to do that since the players' name can't be put into the games.
 
[quote name='CrashSpyro123'][quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='CrashSpyro123'][quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='CrashSpyro123'][quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='Demontooth']When the 2005 football season starts couldn't Sega just release roster updates for EPSN 2K5?[/quote]

I posted this idea last night a few pages back.

Sega has a license with the NFL for the 2004 season, right? Well, what if Sega just continued to update ESPN NFL 2k5 for the next five years?

I doubt the NFL can make Sega close down its servers for a game they've already sold and are now supporting.

Sega could then make some easy roster moves that would not necessarily name a new player on a team, but they'd let you easily change his name yourself, and they would make their attributes consistent to what they are in real life.

Sega could also update and improve the gameplay, add in new features and other content. The catch here is that with every new update which could happen every three or four months, they could charge $10 or whatever they feel is reasonable.

Basically, Sega would just continue to update NFL 2k5 and make it so where you can easily have an updated roster and it would compete with Madden in every way.

Because they would just be updating an older game, I wouldn't think they'd be infringing on any license deal with the NFL because they wouldn't be updating it with any NFL-owned content.[/quote]

They might be able to update rosters up until February 13th, but after that EA then owns the license. Then Sega wouldn't be allowed to use real names, teams, or the NFL in a future update because they wouldn't actually have the license.[/quote]

Right .... buuuuuuuuut, they could send out an update that would allow you to change player names, team names, stadium names or anything else that Sega can't do.

If they could just move around some of the players and give them generic names, then we could go back and fix the names.

It would be a way Sega could still have an updated and competitive game to go up against Madden.[/quote]

The question is should they spend time and money to do this, or should they move on and go another route. They should just cut their losses and move on.[/quote]

I think Sega will have to sit down and see if doing this could yield them a profit.

Abandoning the football 2k franchise would be incredibly dumb for Sega. That's the most profitable franchise they have, so they need to find a way to keep the engine fresh and updated.

My idea is just one way Sega could possibly get around all the legal issues and take out all the NFL-owned content and let its customers add it in themselves.

I know I'd be more than happy to pay a few bucks to get an updated NFL 2k5.[/quote]

As was posted above, that's not looking like much of a great option, but I do believe that suit will fall through. Though Madden 64 didn't have the NFL license, and it pretty much was the NFL without players' names, teams, stadiums, and such.[/quote]

The thing is is that we don't know if it's a great option or not, because a company has never done this on a console before.

If Sega could do this and prove that downloadable content could be profitable, then it could open the floodgates on a whole new way we get games.

I know we could go back and forth on this all day, but in the end, Sega needs to figure something out. They can't just roll over and accept this.

I think Sega should either come up with a new franchise that doesn't need the NFL license while using the NFL 2k engine or do something similar to what I said.

If Sega were to create a new franchise somewhat similar to the Mutant League franchise, it could be cool as hell. Especially using their 2k engines.
 
Hey, with marvel pushing a lawsuit against City of Heroes because people can name and dress thier characters like copyrighted figues, anything is fair game apparently
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='CrashSpyro123'][quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='CrashSpyro123'][quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='CrashSpyro123'][quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='Demontooth']When the 2005 football season starts couldn't Sega just release roster updates for EPSN 2K5?[/quote]

I posted this idea last night a few pages back.

Sega has a license with the NFL for the 2004 season, right? Well, what if Sega just continued to update ESPN NFL 2k5 for the next five years?

I doubt the NFL can make Sega close down its servers for a game they've already sold and are now supporting.

Sega could then make some easy roster moves that would not necessarily name a new player on a team, but they'd let you easily change his name yourself, and they would make their attributes consistent to what they are in real life.

Sega could also update and improve the gameplay, add in new features and other content. The catch here is that with every new update which could happen every three or four months, they could charge $10 or whatever they feel is reasonable.

Basically, Sega would just continue to update NFL 2k5 and make it so where you can easily have an updated roster and it would compete with Madden in every way.

Because they would just be updating an older game, I wouldn't think they'd be infringing on any license deal with the NFL because they wouldn't be updating it with any NFL-owned content.[/quote]

They might be able to update rosters up until February 13th, but after that EA then owns the license. Then Sega wouldn't be allowed to use real names, teams, or the NFL in a future update because they wouldn't actually have the license.[/quote]

Right .... buuuuuuuuut, they could send out an update that would allow you to change player names, team names, stadium names or anything else that Sega can't do.

If they could just move around some of the players and give them generic names, then we could go back and fix the names.

It would be a way Sega could still have an updated and competitive game to go up against Madden.[/quote]

The question is should they spend time and money to do this, or should they move on and go another route. They should just cut their losses and move on.[/quote]

I think Sega will have to sit down and see if doing this could yield them a profit.

Abandoning the football 2k franchise would be incredibly dumb for Sega. That's the most profitable franchise they have, so they need to find a way to keep the engine fresh and updated.

My idea is just one way Sega could possibly get around all the legal issues and take out all the NFL-owned content and let its customers add it in themselves.

I know I'd be more than happy to pay a few bucks to get an updated NFL 2k5.[/quote]

As was posted above, that's not looking like much of a great option, but I do believe that suit will fall through. Though Madden 64 didn't have the NFL license, and it pretty much was the NFL without players' names, teams, stadiums, and such.[/quote]

The thing is is that we don't know if it's a great option or not, because a company has never done this on a console before.

If Sega could do this and prove that downloadable content could be profitable, then it could open the floodgates on a whole new way we get games.

I know we could go back and forth on this all day, but in the end, Sega needs to figure something out. They can't just roll over and accept this.

I think Sega should either come up with a new franchise that doesn't need the NFL license while using the NFL 2k engine or do something similar to what I said.

If Sega were to create a new franchise somewhat similar to the Mutant League franchise, it could be cool as hell. Especially using their 2k engines.[/quote]

I'd rather that Sega would have made a game version of The Playmakers, that would be your NFL-like game. Though since Midway took that away, it's pretty much anyone's guess as to what they'll do.

I'll just end this arguement since we're not getting anywhere, you want them to figure some loop to continue some support of the NFL 2K series and I think it's just that, a wish, and won't happen.
 
From joystiq.com

The announcement today that Electronic Arts have obtained the exclusive rights to the NFL franchise has upset a good number of people, and rightly so. Electronic Arts already crushed the best NASCAR title out there by offering a big bag of cash to NASCAR that simply couldn’t be beaten. Now they’ve done the same with the NFL. Electronic Arts are the Microsoft of the game industry, crushing all who oppose them.

Time for a change?

Maximum Football has been a long time coming, but finally has a distribution deal. Since licensed NFL titles are now the exclusive domain of EA Sports, if you wish to vote with your wallet, you may want to keep an eye on this title as it looks very promising, and can be considerably customized. Sure, it may lack some of the glitz and glamour of the EA title, but at least you don’t have to suffer that jerk Madden. Plus it can do Arena Football and the CFL too.

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[quote name='CrashSpyro123']As was posted above, that's not looking like much of a great option, but I do believe that suit will fall through. Though Madden 64 didn't have the NFL license, and it pretty much was the NFL without players' names, teams, stadiums, and such.[/quote]

Good point. I forgot about this. Looking back:

Football fanatics, however, will be very disappointed to know that Madden 64 doesn't feature the full NFL license, so real team names, team colors and team stadiums are not present. This means that you could be stuck playing the Chicago Bulldozers instead of the mighty Bears -- and they might be purple. Acclaim grabbed all the NFL licensing rights for its NFL QB Club '98 early and EA was left playing catch up. However, EA did manage to get ahold of the NFLPA (NFL Players Associaion) so real player names are present in the game.
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http://ign64.ign.com/articles/152/152196p1.html

So maybe the same thing can happen with the 2K series.

Jeremy
 
[quote name='jrutz'][quote name='CrashSpyro123']As was posted above, that's not looking like much of a great option, but I do believe that suit will fall through. Though Madden 64 didn't have the NFL license, and it pretty much was the NFL without players' names, teams, stadiums, and such.[/quote]

Good point. I forgot about this. Looking back:

Football fanatics, however, will be very disappointed to know that Madden 64 doesn't feature the full NFL license, so real team names, team colors and team stadiums are not present. This means that you could be stuck playing the Chicago Bulldozers instead of the mighty Bears -- and they might be purple. Acclaim grabbed all the NFL licensing rights for its NFL QB Club '98 early and EA was left playing catch up. However, EA did manage to get ahold of the NFLPA (NFL Players Associaion) so real player names are present in the game.
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http://ign64.ign.com/articles/152/152196p1.html

So maybe the same thing can happen with the 2K series.

Jeremy[/quote]
The NFLPA license is also exclusive, it was a package deal.

I liked the Sega Sports games more than EA's, but even I wouldn't buy a generic football game. If they went a different route, maybe including some features that the NFL would never allow, like how Blitz: Playmakers is... They have to be different. They can't just make a regular football game without the NFL license and expect it to sell. They could drop the price to $2 and it wouldn't sell. They'd have better luck trying to re-release Jerry Glanville's Pigskin Footbrawl for the Sega Genesis.
 
Damn, looks like EA really did get hurt by ESPN!

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/12/10/news_6114801.html

A quick look at analyst comments sees most eyeing Electronic Arts and Activision with some concern:

Boris Malkovich of TerraNova Institutional wrote this morning that he is reducing his company's estimates for EA: "For the first two months of the quarter, Electronic Arts has totaled $205.8 million in US console sales, down 18 percent versus the same period last year. This is running below our expectations of a 4 percent decrease. While we believe that international product strength, a weak US dollar, and strong performance of PC titles will offset some of this decline, we are reducing our estimates for the company."

In his morning memo, Tony Gikas of PiperJaffray said, "On balance, ERTS and ATVI clearly fell short of our Nov sales expectations."

Mike Wallace of UBS provided context, saying, "EA's sales declined 23 percent due to competition from Take-Two's ESPN games (sports price cuts) and the launch of Medal of Honor last year."
 
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