Format War - HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray - *Its Over...Toshiba Swings White Flag*

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[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Are people really that fuckin lazy that they don't want to have to go to an actual menu anymore??[/QUOTE]

It's nice to not interrupt the movie , I love that feature .
 
Care to C&P that article for those of us who don't want to register for the site? Financial times is highly reliable, but it's hard to tell from the 4 sentences offered if there is tangible information, or if they're just speculating that Paramount will go to BD.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Care to C&P that article for those of us who don't want to register for the site? Financial times is highly reliable, but it's hard to tell from the 4 sentences offered if there is tangible information, or if they're just speculating that Paramount will go to BD.[/QUOTE]

Paramount is poised to drop its support of HD DVD after Warner Brothers’ recent backing of Sony’s Blu-ray technology, in a move that will sound the death knell of HD DVD and bring the home entertainment format war to a definitive end.

Paramount and DreamWorks Animation, which makes the Shrek films, came out in support of HD DVD last summer, joining General Electric’s Universal Studios as the main backers of the Toshiba format.

However, Paramount, which is owned by Viacom, is understood to have a clause in its contract with the HD DVD camp that would allow it to switch sides in the event of Warner Bros backing Blu-ray, according to people familiar with the situation.

Paramount is set to have a bumper 2008 with several likely blockbusters, including the latest instalment in the Indiana Jones franchise.

Paramount joining the Blu-ray camp would leave HD DVD likely to suffer the same fate as Sony’s now obsolete Betamax video technology, which lost out to VHS in a similar format war in the 1980s.

Warners decision last week to throw its weight behind Blu-ray saw it join Walt Disney, 20th Century Fox and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer as backers of the Sony format.

The Warners move gives Blu-ray about 70 per cent of Hollywood’s output, although the format’s grip on film content will increase further when Paramount comes aboard.

It is unclear whether DreamWorks Animation has the same get-out clause in its contract with the HD DVD camp.

However, Paramount and DreamWorks have a close relationship, with Paramount distributing DreamWorks Animation films. The two companies also signed their HD DVD contracts at the same time. Meanwhile, Universal has declined to comment on its next-generation DVD plans since the Warners move.

Sir Howard Stringer, chief executive of Sony, on Monday held out an olive branch, saying the company would be “open to dialogue” with the HD DVD camp to “grow the market”. The move came as new figures showed that Blu-ray had opened up a decisive lead over the rival home entertainment format.

Sir Howard said: “We are not going to push people around. We’ll talk to anyone ... we have a lot of work to do to grow the market. We’ll be systematic and open to dialogue at all times.”

He added that Sony still had “a lot of work” to do to get Blu-ray “widely accepted” among American consumers.

“With Warner’s support you saw billboards going up in different places and you saw television commercials getting more and more sophisticated and that’s what we’ll continue doing,” said Sir Howard.
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Ignoring the massive Blu bias in the article, "people familiar with the situation" isn't even close to a reliable source.
 
Thanks. I just saw that posted somewhere else and read it.

Still seems speculative, but in reality, I think both Universal and Paramount see the writing on the wall. The strength of Paramount's contract relative to the strength of Ken Graffeo's pride/stubbornness will determine the first to jump ship. I've said before, I don't think it will happen immediately, but it will happen. Sooner than you think, in fact.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Thanks. I just saw that posted somewhere else and read it.

Still seems speculative, but in reality, I think both Universal and Paramount see the writing on the wall. The strength of Paramount's contract relative to the strength of Ken Graffeo's pride/stubbornness will determine the first to jump ship. I've said before, I don't think it will happen immediately, but it will happen. Sooner than you think, in fact.[/quote].

Sorry, I just read it on AVS so didn't know you had to be a member. But I agree.
 
Even if there is a killswitch in the contract, you think it would only come into play if Paramount was the only studio left.

Why in the world would Toshiba write one in that would enable them to leave when only a neutral studio picked a side?
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Even if there is a killswitch in the contract, you think it would only come into play if Paramount was the only studio left.

Why in the world would Toshiba write one in that would enable them to leave when only a neutral studio picked a side?[/quote]

Because Warner is the biggest player in the game?
 
Because they didn't anticipate the current outcome?

We can speculate all we want about what the contract says, but we know one thing for certain: Toshiba and HDG had *no idea* what hit them this weekend, and did not foresee it coming at all. For that reason alone, it's curious to think of what Paramount's outclause conditions are.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Even if there is a killswitch in the contract, you think it would only come into play if Paramount was the only studio left.

Why in the world would Toshiba write one in that would enable them to leave when only a neutral studio picked a side?[/QUOTE]

Yea, It'd be weird if they did have an 'out' to the contract, based on Warner's decision. I know Toshiba wouldn't give them an out, but it's possible Paramount wanted some sort of out in it, before agreeing to the contract. I doubt anyone will know for sure, but I'd be surprised if they did somehow get out of their 1 year exclusivity.
 
[quote name='dallow']Looks like there will be some sort of olive branch peace offering given to HD DVD owners.



From Digital Bits.[/QUOTE]

Let me re-reply to this post, with a touch more animosity towards Hunt and greater evidence of him being an egotist and thus, useless. While he can say anything about any conversation he had outside of presentation time, fro engadget's coverage of the BDA conference: http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/07/live-from-the-blu-ray-press-conferenece/

Q. Bill from the Digital Bits asks Does Warners decision decision carry over to new line and HBO, and does the switch have anything to do with BD+.
A. No, not really, it was the consumer choice.

Q. Any chance there will be a HD DVD trade in program for Blu-ray.
A. David Bishop, said not at this time.
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David Bishop is the NA President of SPHE. Bill Hunt has proven himself *quite* unreliable based on this one bit of information alone.
 
http://charts.highdefdigest.com/history.aspx

Change the comparison type to top 100 rankings, and change the time frame to past 7 days. Amazon rankings aren't a perfect indicator of the market, of course, but there's a substantial drop off in HD DVD rankings starting on the 5th. Nothing unexpected, of course, but I can't say I expected the dropoff to be so immediate.
 
Can anyone help me with an HDMI audio out problem ?
I'm going into my TV HDMI and out as an optical to my DD/DTS receiver .
It seems to only put out 2 channel sound this way .
I had to go straight out of the PS3 with optical to get 5.1 .

Any ideas ? I'd like to hook it up using the HDMI only .
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Notice how it's posted under the rumor section and how we were discussing it on the last page?[/QUOTE]


oh oops.

damn noob.

Anyways I think it is going to happen..anytime now.
 
[quote name='klingon666']Why can i not find any beta movies??????????????????[/quote]

You will find them in the back next to the HD-DVD movies :applause:
 
this whole thing was stupid, if it wasnt for toshiba not wanting to lose what they had with dvd, and MS didn't stick there noses into this (along with trying to force there software into the next-gen video format) there never would have been a "format" war to begin with

it would've been just blu-ray from the beginning and hd-dvd adopters wouldn't feel like they wasted their money
 
[quote name='SuppaMan']this whole thing was stupid, if it wasnt for toshiba not wanting to lose what they had with dvd, and MS didn't stick there noses into this (along with trying to force there software into the next-gen video format) there never would have been a "format" war to begin with[/QUOTE]

Um, no.

If Sony would have respected the DVD Forum's choice on the successor to DVD and wouldn't have been such greedy fucks (like normal), we wouldn't have had a format war but instead we had Sony stick their half-baked idea into the PS3 along with the inferior BR-J which lost them the console war but kept them ahead in HD sales 60:40
 
[quote name='fuss']You will find them in the back next to the HD-DVD movies [/QUOTE]



no idea why you are so happy, do you really think there will be as many bogos and similar deals once HD DVD is gone. So you can continue to clap as you wait for your sales to be fewer and far between :applause:
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Um, no.

If Sony would have respected the DVD Forum's choice on the successor to DVD and wouldn't have been such greedy fucks (like normal), we wouldn't have had a format war but instead we had Sony stick their half-baked idea into the PS3 along with the inferior BR-J which lost them the console war but kept them ahead in HD sales 60:40[/QUOTE]Sony had already started experimenting with blue diodes in 2000 while the DVD Forum were dicking around trying to stick HD content on DVD9s. Blu-Ray has been known to be in the PS3 for years now, and if anything it was the greedy fucks at Microsoft that encouraged the format war, wanting their HDi to be part of a format and releasing the HD-DVD drive for the 360.

Then again, if you were right and Blu-Ray was a half-baked idea, it wouldn't have the majority of studio support.
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']no idea why you are so happy, do you really think there will be as many bogos and similar deals once HD DVD is gone. So you can continue to clap as you wait for your sales to be fewer and far between :applause:[/QUOTE]I'm confident there will be sales just to attract people to the format from regular DVDs. If they keep high prices, there's no way they'll get marketshare and we'll skip HD for digital distribution.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Um, no.

If Sony would have respected the DVD Forum's choice on the successor to DVD and wouldn't have been such greedy fucks (like normal), we wouldn't have had a format war but instead we had Sony stick their half-baked idea into the PS3 along with the inferior BR-J which lost them the console war but kept them ahead in HD sales 60:40[/quote]

Way to know absolutely nothing. :roll:
 
[quote name='TimPV3']
I'm confident there will be sales just to attract people to the format from regular DVDs. If they keep high prices, there's no way they'll get marketshare and we'll skip HD for digital distribution.[/QUOTE]



Most people will not jump on digital distribution for a long time, people only trust what they can see and prefer ownership of physical things over virtual. Also when dvd was coming out there was def not as many deals on discs as there was on the Hi Def formats and that was because they are competing against each other. I guarantee Sony assumes now that people will gradually transfer to Blu-Ray as more HD TVs penetrate the market. As HD DVD dries up so will the Blu Ray deals, because as long as they keep there prices a close to regular dvds they will prob sell decently.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Um, no.

If Sony would have respected the DVD Forum's choice on the successor to DVD and wouldn't have been such greedy fucks (like normal), we wouldn't have had a format war but instead we had Sony stick their half-baked idea into the PS3 along with the inferior BR-J which lost them the console war but kept them ahead in HD sales 60:40[/QUOTE]

Seconded .
 
[quote name='TimPV3']Sony had already started experimenting with blue diodes in 2000 while the DVD Forum were dicking around trying to stick HD content on DVD9s. Blu-Ray has been known to be in the PS3 for years now, and if anything it was the greedy fucks at Microsoft that encouraged the format war, wanting their HDi to be part of a format and releasing the HD-DVD drive for the 360. [/QUOTE]

Did you follow any of the format war before launch?

Yeah, Sony started experimenting early but they were no way ready when the vote was made to either pick AOD (now HD-DVD) or DVR Blue (now Blu-Ray).

Toshiba had all of their ducks in a line.

A Blu-Ray technical committee voted 7-5 that iHD (or now known as HDi) was better than Java but at the main vote, they picked Java because Microsoft refused to join the Blu-Ray Association before their layer was picked.

[quote name='TimPV3']
Then again, if you were right and Blu-Ray was a half-baked idea, it wouldn't have the majority of studio support.[/QUOTE]

No, PS3 is the reason why they had the majority of studio support right out the gate.

Everybody believed that PS3 was going to be a runaway hit like the PS2 was and studios believed that that would mean a massive install base to pimp movies too. Sadly (for them), that wasn't the case, HD-DVD wasn't stomped out in the beginning and 60:40 was the result.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Um, no.

If Sony would have respected the DVD Forum's choice on the successor to DVD and wouldn't have been such greedy fucks (like normal), we wouldn't have had a format war but instead we had Sony stick their half-baked idea into the PS3 along with the inferior BR-J which lost them the console war but kept them ahead in HD sales 60:40[/quote]

Word. :applause:
 
[quote name='Richlough']Can anyone help me with an HDMI audio out problem ?
I'm going into my TV HDMI and out as an optical to my DD/DTS receiver .
It seems to only put out 2 channel sound this way .
I had to go straight out of the PS3 with optical to get 5.1 .

Any ideas ? I'd like to hook it up using the HDMI only .[/quote]You can count the number of TVs that do what you're trying to do here twice on one hand.

Except for OTA digital broadcasts, the TV's optical out will only pass 2.0 PCM.
Sorry dude, but you need to send the audio directly to the receiver.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']Most people will not jump on digital distribution for a long time, people only trust what they can see and prefer ownership of physical things over virtual. Also when dvd was coming out there was def not as many deals on discs as there was on the Hi Def formats and that was because they are competing against each other. I guarantee Sony assumes now that people will gradually transfer to Blu-Ray as more HD TVs penetrate the market. As HD DVD dries up so will the Blu Ray deals, because as long as they keep there prices a close to regular dvds they will prob sell decently.[/quote]

With the economy in as bad shape as it is and people less likely to spend money freely on luxuries, I think we'll still see our fair share of deals on BDs.
 
The base of the entire thing (before MS's arrival) was Toshiba not wanting to give up their control, power, and revenue from DVD to the next format. While Toshiba wasn't alone in DVD, they were the main corporate power. Hell Sony even gave into Toshiba's format with DVD, with only forcing them to cut down slightly on data space to make sure the discs were better protected.


They are all the same. Don't try to bash Sony then praise another. They are all after the same thing, to be on top. Toshiba is just as guilty and is possibly the worst offending party in all of this, with Microsoft trailing them (what a shock) not to far behind. MS has the mindset, power and capital to throw themselves into any field and bleed money and not care (ex: the Xbox division).
 
Good old Bill G. doesn't care about either format.

Warner Brothers said last week it was backing Blu-ray exclusively. Will Microsoft remain committed to the HD DVD format even if it appears that the media companies are backing Blu-ray?

Gates:
Certainly we supported both Blu-ray and HD DVD as Windows peripherals. The last announcement was Paramount opting for HD DVD and now this one is going the other way. I still think a format battle is going on there. Our contribution is the HDi Interactive format piece has been really well received. We hope to see that used broadly. I think the real competitor in the long run is digital (video) download. Just like in music, it is going to be the biggest of the three.

You kind of sound agnostic about the formats.

Gates:
No, not really. We have definitely worked with HD DVD in a very strong fashion. Our codecs and HDi are available on the other format and we are a leader in digital download so we have some involvement in all three approaches. In the long run, people don’t want physical media. You don’t say to yourself, what’s the format battle after CD. If someone tried to introduce a new music format, you’d laugh and say ‘well isn’t that my phone, my iPod and my Zune?’ And you’d be right
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http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/01/gates-goodbye-at-ces-celebrity-video-no-news.html

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[quote name='SuppaMan']They are all the same. Don't try to bash Sony then praise another. They are all after the same thing, to be on top. Toshiba is just as guilty and is possibly the worst offending party in all of this, with Microsoft trailing them (what a shock) not to far behind. MS has the mindset, power and capital to throw themselves into any field and bleed money and not care (ex: the Xbox division).[/QUOTE]

Um, again, no.

I imagine if AOD (HD-DVD) would have lost the DVD Forum vote on who would be DVD's successor, that would have been the end of it.

There were multiple attempts to end the format war before launch and Sony basically said "hey it's our way or you can go fuck yourself" every single time to everybody.

- edit [quote name='dallow']Good old Bill G. doesn't care about either format.
[/QUOTE]

Why is that such a shock? They don't have a movie studio and they don't have any real ties with HD-DVD. Of course they wanted to be on the ground floor with both formats but they also wanted to be the only floor when it came to digital distribution of video so Apple couldn't have another slice of the pie.
 
It's nice to imagine, isn't it Sporadic?

Toshiba would gladly just let all that R&D they spent and worked on for AOD just............. go.
:grouphug:



PS. It's not a shock to me.
 
[quote name='dallow']It's nice to imagine, isn't it Sporadic?

Toshiba would gladly just let all that R&D they spent and worked on for AOD just............. go.
:grouphug:[/QUOTE]

If they didn't have DVD Forum's support, I really doubt that they would have had a choice in the matter.
 
Seeing BD succeed right now shows me that there is a choice if a company has the gumption.

Making new formats, sometimes succeeding, sometimes failing, it's what Sony has been built on.
 
[quote name='dallow']Seeing BD succeed right now shows me that there is a choice if a company has the gumption.

Making new formats, sometimes succeeding, sometimes failing, it's what Sony has been built on.[/quote]

It seems to be the first time Sony's format has the winning edge (it might have cost them marketshare in the gaming world though). Betamax and UMD all turned into dying formats. (I like to collect UMDs for some reason though).
 
[quote name='Stealthcat']It seems to be the first time Sony's format has the winning edge (it might have cost them marketshare in the gaming world though). Betamax and UMD all turned into dying formats. (I like to collect UMDs for some reason though).[/quote]First?

Their first big success was the 3.5" floppy disk.
They also did pretty well with the CD (with phillips).

And a number of consumer and production formats did alright for themselves, many people still use DV and miniDV for their home movies.

Before that I used Digital 8 and Hi8 tapes in my old camcorder.

DAT tapes, as well as HDCAM and DVCAM are mostly for professionals.
Digibeta too.
 
I don't know what Bill Gates is talking about. Because I do want physical media. Especially if current prices are going to stay the same.

As far as Sony winning with Blu-Ray, well, it's about time they won something. 3rd time's a charm and all that talk.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Um, again, no.

I imagine if AOD (HD-DVD) would have lost the DVD Forum vote on who would be DVD's successor, that would have been the end of it.

There were multiple attempts to end the format war before launch and Sony basically said "hey it's our way or you can go fuck yourself" every single time to everybody.

- edit

Why is that such a shock? They don't have a movie studio and they don't have any real ties with HD-DVD. Of course they wanted to be on the ground floor with both formats but they also wanted to be the only floor when it came to digital distribution of video so Apple couldn't have another slice of the pie.[/quote]

You have NO idea how the world really works do you?

The stupid ass forums/boards/councils only exist to control for power and monetary reasons. Which again is why voting is going to be skewed among them. There's always backdoor deals, shady things going on, not to mention those who have enough power to be in the vote are going to be sided with the choice that still leaves them with the most profit/power, or gives them even more.


You really have absolutely no idea what you are rambling on about.
 
[quote name='dallow']First?

Their first big success was the 3.5" floppy disk.
They also did pretty well with the CD (with phillips).

And a number of consumer and production formats did alright for themselves, many people still use DV and miniDV for their home movies.

Before that I used Digital 8 and Hi8 tapes in my old camcorder.

DAT tapes, as well as HDCAM and DVCAM are mostly for professionals.
Digibeta too.[/quote]

I had no idea about DV and CD (still use both of those). That's pretty cool.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']There were multiple attempts to end the format war before launch and Sony basically said "hey it's our way or you can go fuck yourself" every single time to everybody.[/QUOTE]

It's a good thing we don't let a group of elites (the DVD forum) choose what we spend our hard earned money on, and, instead, let consumers decide. BD basically gave consumers another option, and consumers opted for that option. At least a choice was there.

[quote name='SuppaMan']You have NO idea how the world really works do you?

The stupid ass forums/boards/councils only exist to control for power and monetary reasons. Which again is why voting is going to be skewed among them. There's always backdoor deals, shady things going on, not to mention those who have enough power to be in the vote are going to be sided with the choice that still leaves them with the most profit/power, or gives them even more.


You really have absolutely no idea what you are rambling on about.[/QUOTE]

Yea, I'm not sure why people dislike the BDA going against the DVD forum. I'm sure those same people loved it when EA got exclusive rights to the NFL license for the next 5 years too. Why make decisions for ourselves, when a group of elites can do it for us. Damn the BDA for giving consumers another option. It's only our money, right? :roll:
 
[quote name='SuppaMan']You have NO idea how the world really works do you?

The stupid ass forums/boards/councils only exist to control for power and monetary reasons. Which again is why voting is going to be skewed among them. There's always backdoor deals, shady things going on, not to mention those who have enough power to be in the vote are going to be sided with the choice that still leaves them with the most profit/power, or gives them even more.


You really have absolutely no idea what you are rambling on about.[/quote]He only knows what he's read online.
If only things could be that black and white.

Leave him alone though, he still thinks HD DVD will make a roaring comeback!

[quote name='stealth'] I had no idea about DV and CD (still use both of those). That's pretty cool.[/QUOTE]And I still use 3.5" floppy disks! ;)
 
Gates:
No, not really. We have definitely worked with HD DVD in a very strong fashion. Our codecs and HDi are available on the other format and we are a leader in digital download so we have some involvement in all three approaches. In the long run, people don’t want physical media. You don’t say to yourself, what’s the format battle after CD. If someone tried to introduce a new music format, you’d laugh and say ‘well isn’t that my phone, my iPod and my Zune?’ And you’d be right
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This. It was a royal pain converting and archiving all of my media, but once it's all digital I can rarely even be bothered to get up and change the disc in the PS3. I'd rather just sit and play my downloaded games than get up. I am drooling for the day this becomes a practicality with books, kindle be damned.
 
it's a long ways from that happening



first off internet connections need to have a massive breakthrough in affordable technology for high speeds (quite frankly speeds that aren't even feasible yet even with a ton of money)

and storage space needs to have a breakthrough in affordable technology for massive storage space (a few TB's won't be a enough, and cost to much even now anyways)



no physical media is a long ways away, a long ways, especially quality (HD video and audio)
 
[quote name='dallow']You can count the number of TVs that do what you're trying to do here twice on one hand.

Except for OTA digital broadcasts, the TV's optical out will only pass 2.0 PCM.
Sorry dude, but you need to send the audio directly to the receiver.[/quote]I found this out the hard way the other night. I was wondering why the uncompressed 5.1 track on Tekkonkinkreet was only stereo on my receiver, so I let google do the walking.

So, if I got a fancy receiver, i'd be plugging the hdmi cable directly from the PS3/360 into it, then it'd have another hdmi going form the reciever to the display, carrying the video signal, correct? I'd love to get one with more than one input, the one I have now only has one digital input and it's optical, so I've got to switch the cable from the PS3 and 360 for the time being. I've heard Onkyo makes good, cheap stuff. I'm broke as it is, so it'd be a couple months before I even save up enough.

Even so, the regular 5.1 tracks on blu-ray sound incredible on my humble system. The sound effects in Rescue Dawn sounded clear as a bell. I can't imagine what 5.1 PCM tracks on other discs sound like. :drool:
 
[quote name='SuppaMan']You have NO idea how the world really works do you?

The stupid ass forums/boards/councils only exist to control for power and monetary reasons. Which again is why voting is going to be skewed among them. There's always backdoor deals, shady things going on, not to mention those who have enough power to be in the vote are going to be sided with the choice that still leaves them with the most profit/power, or gives them even more.

You really have absolutely no idea what you are rambling on about.[/QUOTE]

Oh, yeah and you really know better than me. Only thing you have posted so far is Sony is our savior, Toshibia/M$ is the devil, stupid ass boards are all corrupt and that I'm an idiot that has no idea what he's talking about.

Only problem is while I actually talk about situations that happened in the past and bring up other things to back up my position, you do nothing but attack me.

If I'm such a retard, it should be fairly simple to smack me down with some facts, eh?

[quote name='dpatel']It's a good thing we don't let a group of elites (the DVD forum) choose what we spend our hard earned money on, and, instead, let consumers decide. BD basically gave consumers another option, and consumers opted for that option. At least a choice was there.[/QUOTE]

We've already had this discussion in the past so I'm not going to retrend too much ground but I don't see how forcing consumers into a format by cramming it into a gaming console is "giving the consumers a choice"

I also don't understand why you believe the DVD Forum is a evil "group of elites" (even though it's made up of 196 companies from all over the industry) while Sony gets a pass for their actions.

What makes Sony more knowledgeable over a united group that's made up of just about every company in the industry that matters?

And while I don't believe Toshiba/DVD Forum are made up of a group of angels, Sony has proven many times before that they don't do things for the greater good, they do just about everything solely for Sony. Everybody else be damned and honestly, I don't trust them with the control of a future format.

[quote name='dpatel']Yea, I'm not sure why people dislike the BDA going against the DVD forum. I'm sure those same people loved it when EA got exclusive rights to the NFL license for the next 5 years too. Why make decisions for ourselves, when a group of elites can do it for us. Damn the BDA for giving consumers another option. It's only our money, right? :roll:[/QUOTE]

And yet you complain every day about Toshiba starting/continuing this damn war. Every time the choice gets more and more ripped out of hands of consumers, you applaud. In your perfect world, it would only be Blu all the way.

Hypocrite thy name is dpatel

[quote name='dallow']He only knows what he's read online.
If only things could be that black and white.

Leave him alone though, he still thinks HD DVD will make a roaring comeback![/QUOTE]

Oh yeah, my thoughts are really black and white :roll:

You are the one who's looking at this as if it's a football game. You think that there can only be one clear cut "winner" when you fail to realize that the only thing HD-DVD has to do is solidify in the public's mind that there are two formats and than wait for affordable combo players to hit the market. Because I hate to tell you this but Warner isn't the silver bullet Blu fans are championing them to be. There are still two studios on HD-DVD's side and that enough to make the people who were already waiting, continue to wait. And they don't even have long to wait, we are about a year from affordable "complete" duel players. When that time comes, it's going to be game over, all of this championing a format for nothing.

It's DVD+/- all over again since there is no real physical thing holding back the merger of both the formats.

Although I do wish I could be like you, it would be fantastic to not actually think, take all of my opinions from blu-ray.com or Bill Hunt and have an abundance of funny photoshops from my more creative brethren to express my beliefs (like evil Bill Gates using HD-DVD/Blu-Ray as pawns in Chess I MEAN L O L it's funny because it's TRUE)
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Why is that such a shock? They don't have a movie studio and they don't have any real ties with HD-DVD. Of course they wanted to be on the ground floor with both formats but they also wanted to be the only floor when it came to digital distribution of video so Apple couldn't have another slice of the pie.[/QUOTE]

I think it's a shock because their Add-on accounts for nearly/over 50% of HD DVD players, and they don't have a Blu-Ray add-on. His blithe indifference, IMO, speaks *volumes* about their forward-looking support for HD DVD, both on the whole and on the 360 as a console. His comments make it look like he's breaking up with HD DVD and on top of it, denying they ever dated exclusively.

And BD-J was a contributing factor in the failure of the PS3 as a console? Talk about some serious history rewriting! Why is it I continue to read how BD helped kill the PS3, but the 360 could have been used to successfully launch HD DVD (as if the consoles would have cost the same and thus sold in the same numbers if it included an HD DVD drive! HA!). Two similar behaviors are, in some folks' world, the downfall of one company, and the could-have-been savior of another. Talk about your all-time post-hocs, man.

[quote name='Sporadic']And yet you complain every day about Toshiba starting/continuing this damn war. Every time the choice gets more and more ripped out of hands of consumers, you applaud. In your perfect world, it would only be Blu all the way.[/QUOTE]

Spare me your Orwellian nightmare. With nearly 6 million discs sold compared to 2.5-3 million, the irony of your complaint is that the companies are *following* the lead of the consumers (unlike, ironically, Paramount). The consumers did decide, whether or not you like that choice is immaterial.
 
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