Format War - HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray - *Its Over...Toshiba Swings White Flag*

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[quote name='Richlough']Can anyone help me with an HDMI audio out problem ?
I'm going into my TV HDMI and out as an optical to my DD/DTS receiver .
It seems to only put out 2 channel sound this way .
I had to go straight out of the PS3 with optical to get 5.1 .

Any ideas ? I'd like to hook it up using the HDMI only .[/quote]
Then you have to run the HDMI to your receiver. TVs in general only output stereo over optical.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']
And yet you complain every day about Toshiba starting/continuing this damn war.[/QUOTE]

You are retarded. Sony was willing to work with Toshiba to make a unified format but Toshiba insisted on using their inferior HD-DVD format. Not only does Blu-Ray holds more capacity, its more durable as well.


[quote name='SuppaMan']it's a long ways from that happening



first off internet connections need to have a massive breakthrough in affordable technology for high speeds (quite frankly speeds that aren't even feasible yet even with a ton of money)

and storage space needs to have a breakthrough in affordable technology for massive storage space (a few TB's won't be a enough, and cost to much even now anyways)



no physical media is a long ways away, a long ways, especially quality (HD video and audio)[/QUOTE]

I'm laffing at all the idiots that think digital distribution is the future. I agree with your points and bill gates is dead wrong if he thinks nobody wants physical media.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']With nearly 6 million discs sold compared to 2.5-3 million[/quote] You're off by over a million Myke. Or 48% to express it that way.

6:2.5 is 71:29. Actual numbers are 62:38. That's more like 6:3.7
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
Spare me your Orwellian nightmare. With nearly 6 million discs sold compared to 2.5-3 million, the irony of your complaint is that the companies are *following* the lead of the consumers (unlike, ironically, Paramount). The consumers did decide, whether or not you like that choice is immaterial.[/quote]

HA!
Pirates on regular dvd sold more on its first day then both hd-dvd and blu sold combined lifetime!

Bluray needs to be the same price as dvd otherwise no one is going to care.
 
Turns out the estimated numbers are 5.7/3.2, which is 64/36 (the YTD as HMM has reported for some time).

Here's the post wholesale from the Blu-ray.com forums, which appear to have been taken from HDD forums:

[quote name='Grubert']Source: USA Today (1)

A. Overall number of copies sold

1. Cumulative sales by quarter (2)
Code: 
Through      Blu-ray        HD DVD
03/31        832,500       359,300
06/30      1,600,000       795,000
09/30      2,600,000     1,400,000
12/30      5,700,000     3,200,000

2. Quarterly sales
Code: 
Quarter      Blu-ray        HD DVD
Q1           832,500       359,300
Q2           767,500       435,700
Q3         1,000,000       605,000
Q4         3,100,000     1,800,000

B. Top selling discs

1. Aggregate by title (3)
Code: 
#   Title                 Copies
1.  [color=green]300[/color]                  472,400
2.  [color=green]Planet Earth[/color]         294,300
3.  [color=red]Transformers[/color]         239,100
4.  [color=blue]POTC: At World's End[/color] 219,300
5.  [color=green]Harry Potter OOTP[/color]    179,500
6.  [color=green]The Departed[/color]         171,800
7.  [color=blue]Casino Royale[/color]        169,800
8.  [color=red]Bourne Ultimatum[/color]     162,300
9.  [color=blue]Spider-Man 3[/color]         145,300
10. [color=blue]Ratatouille[/color]          117,500

2. By SKU (4)
Code: 
#   Title                 Copies
1.  [color=blue]300[/color]                  315,200
2.  [color=red]Transformers[/color]         239,100
3.  [color=blue]POTC: At World's End[/color] 219,300
4.  [color=blue]Casino Royale[/color]        169,800
5.  [color=red]Planet Earth[/color]         162,500
6.  [color=red]Bourne Ultimatum[/color]     162,300
7.  [color=red]300[/color]                  157,200
8.  [color=blue]Spider-Man 3[/color]         145,300
9.  [color=blue]Planet Earth[/color]         131,800
10. [color=blue]Ratatouille[/color]          117,500

xx  [color=blue]The Departed[/color]         106,700
xx  [color=blue]Harry Potter OOTP[/color]    100,000
xx  [color=red]Harry Potter OOTP[/color]     79,500
xx  [color=red]The Departed[/color]          65,100

Notes

1. Thanks to highdefdigest forum member CochiseGuy for first finding and posting this article.

2. The figures for the first three quarters came from Home Media Research (Q1, Q2, Q3). The figures for the fourth quarter come from the Redhill Group. Note that Judith McCourt, formerly Director Sales and Marketing for Home Media Research, now works at the Redhill Group, so it is very likely that she took her spreadsheets along with her.

3. Figures from the Redhill Group. These figures are higher than the Nielsen VideoScan figures leaked, and like the Home Media Research figures in the past, in all likelihood include sales outside Nielsen coverage.

4. These figures have been calculated from the aggregate sales figures listed above, and disaggregated using Nielsen VideoScan ratios.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='InuFaye']HA!
Pirates on regular dvd sold more on its first day then both hd-dvd and blu sold combined lifetime!

Bluray needs to be the same price as dvd otherwise no one is going to care.[/quote]People need to stop bringing up DVD.

This is about next gen.
Adoption is slow, just like with all new media and technologies.

[quote name='sporadic']Oh yeah, my thoughts are really black and white :roll:

You are the one who's looking at this as if it's a football game. You think that there can only be one clear cut "winner" when you fail to realize that the only thing HD-DVD has to do is solidify in the public's mind that there are two formats and than wait for affordable combo players to hit the market. Because I hate to tell you this but Warner isn't the silver bullet Blu fans are championing them to be. There are still two studios on HD-DVD's side and that enough to make the people who were already waiting, continue to wait. And they don't even have long to wait, we are about a year from affordable "complete" duel players. When that time comes, it's going to be game over, all of this championing a format for nothing.

It's DVD+/- all over again since there is no real physical thing holding back the merger of both the formats.

Although I do wish I could be like you, it would be fantastic to not actually think, take all of my opinions from blu-ray.com or Bill Hunt and have an abundance of funny photoshops from my more creative brethren to express my beliefs (like evil Bill Gates using HD-DVD/Blu-Ray as pawns in Chess I MEAN L O L it's funny because it's TRUE)
[/quote]

LOL

You can be like me.
It's called not caring so much, and not believing everything you read.
Being able to laugh at the whole thing, and watching you squirm does make me chuckle as I type away at work.

HD DVD will die/is dead.

THAT is what is being solidified in the public mind.
Turn on the local news. This is what Joe 6-Pack is seeing/hearing.

I had family come up to me, my own mother even, talking about how BD has won the format war. She saw the story on the news and in the paper.
She knew I owned BD titles and was excited to tell me.
She doesn't care one bit about higher definition, and is a great example of just how the public is starting to see what's happening, and not just us nerds on forums.
 
And a couple more bits for the rumor mill:
Fun to think about.

From "insider" MaxPower at AVS.

Profile 1.1 was not given to the PS3 until at least one standalone player was on the market with it, DTS-MA will be no different.
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I know Paramount are not best pleased with Toshiba atm, and are reconsidering their exclusivity arrangement.

I can't really talk about Universal, it isn't my place. [This post was edited, he intially said he signed an NDA this morning preventing him talking about Universal. Since it could imply that a shift was imminent he edited the post]

I will try and give some advance warning beforehand if anything does go down, but for now that is all I can say.
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Why should DVD not be brought up.

I dont think DVD adoption was this slow?

Shouldnt we compare it to DVD?
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HD adoption is actually a bit faster than DVD at the moment, only because DVD was SUPER SLOW to begin with.

So yeah.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']We've already had this discussion in the past so I'm not going to retrend too much ground but I don't see how forcing consumers into a format by cramming it into a gaming console is "giving the consumers a choice"[/quote]

And I don't see how eliminating that second option completely and having the decision being made by the DVD forum is 'giving consumers a choice either'. It's funny how you complain about people being 'forced' into blu-ray, (even though, the last time I checked, plenty of people chose not to buy into blu-ray), yet you turn around and want the DVD forum to choose for us, by eliminating all choices. That is pretty much the very definition of forcing a format onto consumers. Had the BDA somehow prevented the existence of HD-DVD (impossible, I know, but bear with me), and BD was the ONLY option, then I could see your point about consumers being 'forced' into BD. But, that wasn't the case. The DVD Forums tried to do this, by forcing consumers into HD-DVD, but luckily we were given a choice of two formats.

By the way, what version of the PS3 do you own, and what BDs do you own?

I also don't understand why you believe the DVD Forum is a evil "group of elites" (even though it's made up of 196 companies from all over the industry) while Sony gets a pass for their actions.

What makes Sony more knowledgeable over a united group that's made up of just about every company in the industry that matters?

And while I don't believe Toshiba/DVD Forum are made up of a group of angels, Sony has proven many times before that they don't do things for the greater good, they do just about everything solely for Sony. Everybody else be damned and honestly, I don't trust them with the control of a future format.
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I'm not saying Sony is better than the DVD Forum. I'm saying that because BD exists, consumers get to choose, not the DVD Forum. I would think that giving consumers the choice, rather than a board of elites, would be the best choice. But hey, if you want these decisions made for you by the DVD Forum, more power to ya. I'm sure you support EAs monopolistic moves as well.

I'm not saying Sony should choose for us. They shouldn't, and they didn't. They gave us another choice, and consumers chose which format they wanted. For some reason, you seem to prefer no choice, over two choices. I can't really imagine the benefits of that, in the short run.

And yet you complain every day about Toshiba starting/continuing this damn war. Every time the choice gets more and more ripped out of hands of consumers, you applaud. In your perfect world, it would only be Blu all the way.

Hypocrite thy name is dpatel
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Well yea I would prefer it if everyone had adopted my format of choice more earlier. It would've suited my needs much better (A bit selfish, but not hypocritical in the least). But, the only reason I am mad at the format war going on so long is because I made MY choice of format a while ago. I saw both the options, and preferred blu-ray. I didn't pick Blu-ray because I believe Sony should be making decisions for me. I chose it based on my wants and needs. I don't see how this makes me a hypocrite though. Maybe if I wanted Sony to make this decision for me, it would be hypocritical, but that's not the case. I made the decision to invest in a PS3 and to buy BDs for it, not Sony.

You, for some reason, would rather have someone else make this decision for you. Even though it will be you who is spending their hard earned cash on said format. So, since we, the consumers, are spending our money on these formats, I would think that consumers should at least get to CHOOSE which format to spend the money on, and not be forced into HD-DVD because some group of elites think we should.

[quote name='Sporadic']Although I do wish I could be like you, it would be fantastic to not actually think, take all of my opinions from blu-ray.com[/QUOTE]

Please tell me you're not criticizing others for not having their own opinion. You do realize you are trying to convince everyone that the DVD forum should've made the decision for us, instead of the current situation (in which the consumers chose which format they wanted). If anyone is not "actually thinking and taking their opinions from something else", it's you.
 
I would agree with you completely dpatel, if not for all the backroom deals and studio exclusivity. Yes, consumers were technically given a choice, but they were forced into their choice by their preference in movies.

Now I'm not pointing fingers because both sides are guilty as hell. But the only situation where I would say consumers were truly given the choice would have been if all the studios were neutral, at least at the beginning. Whether it's the DVD Forum, the BDA, the HD DVD PRG, or the studios doesn't matter. The "elites" that you so despise stacked the deck then claim to have offered the customer "choice" and followed their decisions. That's hogwash.
 
[quote name='geko29']I would agree with you completely dpatel, if not for all the backroom deals and studio exclusivity. Yes, consumers were technically given a choice, but they were forced into their choice by their preference in movies.

Now I'm not pointing fingers because both sides are guilty as hell. But the only situation where I would say consumers were truly given the choice would have been if all the studios were neutral, at least at the beginning. Whether it's the DVD Forum, the BDA, the HD DVD PRG, or the studios doesn't matter. The "elites" that you so despise stacked the deck then claim to have offered the customer "choice" and followed their decisions. That's hogwash.[/QUOTE]

Don't get me wrong, I agree that the two formats aren't exactly playing fair. Things like paying for studio exclusivity, price differences, BD being included in the PS3 definitely skewed the results. The BD vs HD situation we have no is far from ideal, I'll agree with that. However, I would still take some choice, over no choice at all, despite how skewed the formats were.

Ideally, both formats would be released with no exclusive studios and nothing but the formats' own strengths to sell themselves, leaving consumers to truly choose which format they wanted. Ideally, that would be best, but we know something like that would never happen. I'm not saying the current situation is best, I'm just saying its better than the alternative (everyone being forced into HD-DVD).
 
i'm down with dpatel's point of "my wants and needs." Yes, it's about my wants and needs too! I'm on the BD fence very early as well and hoping the format war ends soon as it can. If the X360 has the hd-dvd build-in, things can be different. Again, i'm not speaking for everyone here, but i'm both a gamer and movie lover. If there's a machine can do both and in HD, hellaluya! My prayers are answered... I love the cheapy hd-dvd players, but hell, it can't game. I got the hd-dvd add-on for the X360, but still wished that it should have been built in (shelf space, wiring, extra plug, a lot to consider). Also, the hardware configuration for both gaming and movies is better on the PS3 than the X360 (for one thing, the X360 got no coaxial socket and then it can't do component/hdmi at the same time for audio/video like the PS3 does). Since my electronic equipements (DLP and Receiver) work better with the PS3 than the X360, naturally, i went with BD. By working better i mean i don't have to use component cable and buy separate audio cable for digital audio (the X360 doesn't like the HDMI port via the receiver and it doesn't come with an optical cable).

So, yeah, it's about my needs and wants...
 
[quote name='Serpentor']quick question, i still haven't receive the five free hd-dvds yet, am i screwed?[/quote]
No. The process is painfully slow. I wouldn't worry yet unless you sent the form in 12-16 weeks ago.
 
[quote name='Serpentor']quick question, i still haven't receive the five free hd-dvds yet, am i screwed?

i did get my 10 BDs (two PS3s), very quick mind you :)[/QUOTE]


Mine took about three and a half months, so you're probably ok.
 
Max Power, the insider, just said the release clause for Paramount has just been activated.

Watch for press release soon.

::crosses fingers::
 
[quote name='dallow']Max Power, the insider, just said the release clause for Paramount has just been activated.

Watch for press release soon.

::crosses fingers::[/QUOTE]

Max Power, whatta fuckin' pornstar name. Though he is, like Penton-Man, very reliable.

[quote name='PyroGamer']Now it just feels like beating a dead horse, doesn't it?[/QUOTE]

A dead horse that still plays movies, dammit.
 
For the record, Blu-ray isn't what fucked up the PS3. It was Sony's reliance on the cell as the whole system that did it, leading to the dev kits not being finalized in time. Even if the copy protection issues were sorted out and the spec done by March 06, nobody had games ready. If anything, I believe Blu-Ray will save the PS3.

What would Sony have going for them right now, a system exactly like the 360, with a barebones online that's hard to program for? Atleast now they've taken away the need to compress data, have an HD movie player out of the box, and in return beat HD-DVD. It would have been $100 cheaper at most, but they would have lost all of that marketing for an HD format that people don't understand but think is the future.
 
[quote name='dallow']Max Power, the insider, just said the release clause for Paramount has just been activated.

Watch for press release soon.

::crosses fingers::[/quote]

Is that a real person (didn't read) or is that just a joke from The Simpsons
maxpower_home.jpg
 
I don't know who objected to HD DVD being metaphorically regarded as a house of cards, and I'm quite surprised myself, but to think we all went, in 7 days, from speculating on what each group (and WB) might do to regain or retain control of the market, to being amazed at how quickly things have shifted so drastically in favor of Blu-Ray.

It's turned out, it appears, to be an apt analogy. What a shitty week for me to go purple (I bought a 360AO for $50 for the hell of it; dunno if I'll buy any movies, though). :lol:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I don't know who objected to HD DVD being metaphorically regarded as a house of cards, and I'm quite surprised myself, but to think we all went, in 7 days, from speculating on what each group (and WB) might do to regain or retain control of the market, to being amazed at how quickly things have shifted so drastically in favor of Blu-Ray.

It's turned out, it appears, to be an apt analogy. What a shitty week for me to go purple (I bought a 360AO for $50 for the hell of it; dunno if I'll buy any movies, though). :lol:[/quote]

Who would have thought...myke buys a HD DVD player and I'm going to own my first Blu-Ray movies this week (that's if I can find Cars & Ratatouille at TRU).
 
[quote name='dallow']D'oh![/QUOTE]

Nah, it's pretty funny. It's not like the AO will sell for drastically under $50 if I decide to get rid of it.[/famouslastwords]
 
I'm just glad I can buy some movies some-what worry free. I think I'll look into the TRU b1g1 and grab casino royale and pirates 3. Then I'll nab training day from Best Buy
 
[quote name='vlv723']*sigh* I think it's a good time to buy a PS3 since it's the cheapest Blu-Ray player out there[/quote]

If you can hold out for at least 6 months, Samsung is gonna release a dual format player for an MSRP of 600. Which at most retail would be a bit cheaper.

And yeah yeah yeah, "dying format" and all. Personally, I have both covered (360 add on and a PS3), but there are still quite a lot of movies that are on HD DVD in other countries, that are blu ray only here, let alone released in any hi def format here. Two that I really want on HD DVD are Equilibrium abd The Jackal. Both of which not an ounce of news has been released about release dates, or even possible release dates
 
[quote name='SuppaMan']what?

why? do you even think at this point sammy will end up releasing it?[/quote] There's no good reason why they wouldn't. They can't keep up with orders for their first-gen combo as it is. That situation will only get worse as some portion of the 750k-1 million HD DVD owners decide they need a Blu-Ray player. Many of them will want one that will play their existing discs, so they don't need to keep two players in the rack.
 
I give it till the end of the month before the other hold out studios abandon ship and announce no new HD-DVD titles this year and give Blue Ray their total support.

I am not too pissed that I jumped on the HD-DVD bandwagon this early/late. The only way I could watch HD-DVD's was through my 360 via the HD-DVD drive outputted to VGA via my 22 inch wide screen monitor. It was my only option as I had no HDTV's in the house. Now if I had an HDTV and bought the sub 200 dollar units they had at Walmart awhile back, I would have a good starter collection worth about 200-300 dollars since I could enjoy them on a large screen HDTV ... but since I didn't have any, it kept me from expanding too quickly.

So basically I spent about 200 bucks for my starter collection for a format that will shortly be non supported :( Just think of the studios who backed HD-DVD exclusively and spent millions on it :O
 
[quote name='dallow']You can count the number of TVs that do what you're trying to do here twice on one hand.

Except for OTA digital broadcasts, the TV's optical out will only pass 2.0 PCM.
Sorry dude, but you need to send the audio directly to the receiver.[/QUOTE]

Thanks , your knowledge sure beats trying to google an answer .

At 1st I thought I had to disable any audio effects current being used .
My TV has an option for digital audio setting but it is grayed out .

Oh , by the way it's a Toshiba 42HL67 .
 
[quote name='geko29']There's no good reason why they wouldn't. They can't keep up with orders for their first-gen combo as it is. That situation will only get worse as some portion of the 750k-1 million HD DVD owners decide they need a Blu-Ray player. Many of them will want one that will play their existing discs, so they don't need to keep two players in the rack.[/quote]
Losses?


Economies of scale drop prices of products, etc etc etc business related info



Do you really think months from now that is going to actually sell? Initially a huge maybe, large scale no.

It wouldn't be anywhere near unheard of for it to be scrapped and never released. The landscape will change even more for the worse for HD-DVD in the coming months. Unless they've already started to ramp up and produce the new combo model, it might make more sense to just cancel the product shortly down the road and just focus on mass production on blu-ray players only.



Also your argument about current HD-DVD owners needing a combo player makes no sense. Why would they spend more for a combo player? Months from now no one is going to pay anything for a used HD-DVD player, so they'd already still have that for whatever movies they owned on that format. It'd make more sense to buy something cheaper that they didn't have (standalone BR).



Business wise it most likely won't make sense to release it. CES came on the heels of Warner's/NL's announcement. It didn't matter to promote or pull the product from the show. Forget it if before then Parmamount (which very well could happen soon) and Universal jump ship.
 
[quote name='SuppaMan']Losses?

Economies of scale drop prices of products, etc etc etc business related info

Do you really think months from now that is going to actually sell? Initially a huge maybe, large scale no.

It wouldn't be anywhere near unheard of for it to be scrapped and never released. The landscape will change even more for the worse for HD-DVD in the coming months. Unless they've already started to ramp up and produce the new combo model, it might make more sense to just cancel the product shortly down the road and just focus on mass production on blu-ray players only.[/quote] In case you missed it, they ALREADY SELL a combo player. They're making money hand over fist with said combo player. The one they just announced is a cost-reduced version of the one they already make, so they have ZERO in R&D, and production already in progress. In the long term it may not be a huge moneymaker. In the short term if they can keep the price reasonable, it's nothing short of a license to print money.

[quote name='SuppaMan']Also your argument about current HD-DVD owners needing a combo player makes no sense. Why would they spend more for a combo player? Months from now no one is going to pay anything for a used HD-DVD player, so they'd already still have that for whatever movies they owned on that format. It'd make more sense to buy something cheaper that they didn't have (standalone BR).[/quote] Of course it doesn't make sense. You didn't read it. I said "so they don't have to keep two players in their rack". Some people don't want multiple playback devices. Some don't have room. Some have a limited number of inputs. I personally couldn't care less. My parents and father-in-law, on the other hand, could.

Now tell me again how buying a BR-only player allows said people to play their existing collection without increasing the number of devices in their AV rack?

[quote name='SuppaMan']Business wise it most likely won't make sense to release it. [/quote] You're right. Which is why nobody makes a device that can playback SACDs or DVD-Audio discs. :roll:
 
Well, I didn't care one way or another, but I'm glad to see an end to this war. Not really for myself (upconverted DVDs FTW, seriously), but now I can give a somewhat informed answer when someone asks me about what to buy.

I do feel bad for the HD DVD early adopters though--that's a tough spot to be in. At least the above-mentioned Samsung dual-format player will help to ease the transition.

If you wanted to get a Blu-Ray player at this point, is there any reason not to have it just be a PS3? Is it still one of the cheapest options?
 
[quote name='geko29']In case you missed it, they ALREADY SELL a combo player. They're making money hand over fist with said combo player. The one they just announced is a cost-reduced version of the one they already make, so they have ZERO in R&D. In the long term it may not be a huge moneymaker. In the short term if they can keep the price reasonable, it's nothing short of a license to print money.


Of course it doesn't make sense. You didn't read it. I said "so they don't have to keep two players in their rack". Some people don't want multiple playback devices. Some don't have room. Some have a limited number of inputs. I personally could care less. My parents and father-in-law, on the other hand, could.

Now tell me again how buying a BR-only player allows said people to play their existing collection without increasing the number of devices in their AV rack?


You're right. Which is why nobody makes a device that can playback SACDs or DVD-Audio discs. :roll:[/quote]

1)You are over-estimating those who would do that (buy one combo player just to save some physical space).

2)The market isn't going to be the same then as it was for in the past for combo players.


3)It's not even remotely close to being a license to print money, almost any product will always have more of it produced than it is sold (even to retailers) and there is some actual risk with overproducing this (as a whole no, sammy could absorb the losses but itd make no sense to make themselves have to). If it's not produced large scale, that also cuts into how cheaply they can sell it, which then in turn would hurt sales period for any product, let alone one that won't have much of a market in a 6 months.

4)Completely different market/product comparison scenario.


Will it be released? Possibly, but possibly not. Especially once retailers start pulling HD-DVD players from the shelves (do not think this will not happen, one major retailer is in the works to do so very shortly, with the rest pressuring the movie studios to support BR so they can not worry about stocking both since having one format also benefits corporate retailers also). The market is going to continuously change in the next year, and for the worse for HD-DVD. You can't compare past figures and scenario's in sales and project it to be anywhere near the same 6 months from now.


You are acting like things have never been announced, revealed, shown off, etc at trade shows only to later on be cancelled and not released.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']If you can hold out for at least 6 months, Samsung is gonna release a dual format player for an MSRP of 600. Which at most retail would be a bit cheaper.

And yeah yeah yeah, "dying format" and all. Personally, I have both covered (360 add on and a PS3), but there are still quite a lot of movies that are on HD DVD in other countries, that are blu ray only here, let alone released in any hi def format here. Two that I really want on HD DVD are Equilibrium abd The Jackal. Both of which not an ounce of news has been released about release dates, or even possible release dates[/QUOTE]


Well besides watching blu-ray movies, there are some PS3 games in which I want to buy *cough* Metal Gear Solid 4 *cough*

Also, if I bought it by the end of the month, I can get 5 free movies just to get started.
 
[quote name='daroga']If you wanted to get a Blu-Ray player at this point, is there any reason not to have it just be a PS3? Is it still one of the cheapest options?[/QUOTE]That's what I tell people, but for whatever reason they still get a Sony player. It's not the cheapest anymore (Target had a Sony player on sale for $289 last week I believe), but I'd rather spend $400 and get a game system then $300 just for movies.

Then again, I saw Newegg had a combo HD-DVD/BD drive for $200 and I might jump on that, since the full on burners are still relatively expensive.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Who predicted that WB would go out the same way, and not last with their releases through May? Geko? KaneRobot? Someone else?[/quote]
I mentioned it either here or on the HD DVD threads. Since WB mentioned that DVD and Blu-Ray releases will be day and date releases with HD DVD releases following with a short delay, I assume that they'll try to avoid releasing as many titles on HD DVD as possible.

As for New Line...who fucking cares...like we really wanted Hairspray or Rush Hour 3 :roll: Now if they had announced LOTR, Blade Trilogy, Ace Ventura, The Mask, Mortal Kombat...it would have hurt.
 
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