Format War - HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray - *Its Over...Toshiba Swings White Flag*

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[quote name='LinkinPrime']I mentioned it either here or on the HD DVD threads. Since WB mentioned that DVD and Blu-Ray releases will be day and date releases with HD DVD releases following with a short delay, I assume that they'll try to avoid releasing as many titles on HD DVD as possible.

As for New Line...who fucking cares...like we really wanted Hairspray or Rush Hour 3 :roll: Now if they had announced LOTR, Blade Trilogy, Ace Ventura, The Mask, Mortal Kombat...it would have hurt.[/QUOTE]

The Mask? Really. My, we must have different tastes. I still recommend Shoot 'Em Up, though.
 
Going by the PQ and AQ ratings on the 3 New Line HD titles out there, (they all got perfect ratings), LotR will be a sight to behold (and hear).

Move over Disney.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The Mask? Really. My, we must have different tastes. I still recommend Shoot 'Em Up, though.[/quote]

I was 12 or 13 when I saw it and I really enjoyed it. I watch it every know and then still, would love to have it in HighDef. I saw Shootem' Up is available on XBLVM in HD so I might rent it this weekend.
 
[quote name='dallow']Picture of HD DVD's booth at CES
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/pashalidis/20K%20Murilo/HDDVDCES3.jpg
Picture of BD's booth at CES
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/pashalidis/20K%20Murilo/BDCES3.jpg

A user checked the EXIF data on the photos as usually they're taken at suspicious times but the HD DVD photo was taken in the middle of the afternoon.[/QUOTE]That's brutally funny, but is that really the whole HD-DVD booth? It'd be weird to see people in those goofy stools anyway.
 
[quote name='dallow']Picture of HD DVD's booth at CES
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/pashalidis/20K%20Murilo/HDDVDCES3.jpg
Picture of BD's booth at CES
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/pashalidis/20K%20Murilo/BDCES3.jpg

A user checked the EXIF data on the photos as usually they're taken at suspicious times but the HD DVD photo was taken in the middle of the afternoon.[/quote]

In the bd's booth at ces's picture, it almost looks like major nelson at the bottem in front of the blu ray sign...

so since microsoft is not fighting back, he is backing out too...





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Is it really shocking? Come on, they canceled their press conference, why would people be at their booth when they'll just be seing stuff that they can see at their local Best Buy?
 
[quote name='dallow']Look out cheapies!

A BD Live (2.0) player from Daewoo! :)
Between $199 - $299 Canadian.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=841[/quote]

I'd rather spend 50$ and get the Philips....

The cheapest MSRP Blu-ray player I have seen will be the new Philips, and seems like a good player if you don't care about lossless audio.
 
Not shocking. Amusing.

Like the story about why there are no Toshiba executives at the show.
They landed in at LAX and immediately flew straight back to Japan.

The insider said to expect 'resignations'.
 
Well, I'm glad I dumped my BD Mission Impossible Collection last week on Ebay while the value was still high. I don't even know why I bought that set, MI:2 is horrible.
[quote name='mykevermin'] I still recommend Shoot 'Em Up, though.[/QUOTE]
I thought Shoot 'em Up was garbage through and through, although I bet it's pretty cool to see on BD.
 
[quote name='dallow']Not shocking. Amusing.

Like the story about why there are no Toshiba executives at the show.
They landed in at LAX and immediately flew straight back to Japan.

The insider said to expect 'resignations'.[/quote]

Resignations in the form of Seppuku :lol:
seppuku.jpg
 
When will Bill Gates realize that DD will not happen for a long time? Broadband connections in a lot of people's homes are a long way away and I have a broadband connection and wouldn't want to do DD because it takes too fricken long and I would rather own a physical medium.

And I think Paramount going Blu-ray exclusive is inevitable. The when and how is the question...
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']When will Bill Gates realize that DD will not happen for a long time? Broadband connections in a lot of people's homes are a long way away and I have a broadband connection and wouldn't want to do DD because it takes too fricken long and I would rather own a physical medium forever.[/quote]

Finally, back to common sense!
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Finally, back to common sense![/quote]
He just doesn't want Blu-ray to win because they don't use HDi or the VC-1 Codec (for the most part)

And all corporations are the same, they all want to maximize profit, calling Sony the devil for trying to do so and making Toshiba out as a saint is just plain stupid. And we are all mad at Toshiba because things were stacked against them from the beginning with all the support Blu-ray had and they still decided to continue on with the war instead of trying to make peace.
 
Bill Gates can't get everything he wants. Digital Distribution should cost less than tangible goods, but it doesn't. Plus, you get the item for a shorter amount of time too.

I downloaded an episode of Heroes in HD off the marketplace when it was free. It took 3 hours to download a 45 minute episode. DD isn't a worthy investment right now.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Bill Gates can't get everything he wants. Digital Distribution should cost less than tangible goods, but it doesn't. Plus, you get the item for a shorter amount of time too.

I downloaded an episode of Heroes in HD off the marketplace when it was free. It took 3 hours to download a 45 minute episode. DD isn't a worthy investment right now.[/quote]

And that's a 720p ultra-compressed video with no lossless sound. How long do you think a 1080p optimized video with lossless would take? I shudder at the thought.
 
So here's an article from the UK paper "The Times" saying the HD DVD group is falling apart. Most interesting part of the article?

This:
[quote name='The Times']Paramount, like other members of the HD DVD group such as Fujitsu, Lenovo and Kenwood, has hedged its bets. It offered exclusivity on the basis that it could reverse the decision should Warner Bros switch to Blu-ray. [/QUOTE]

The Times
 
[quote name='mykevermin']It's turned out, it appears, to be an apt analogy. What a shitty week for me to go purple (I bought a 360AO for $50 for the hell of it; dunno if I'll buy any movies, though). :lol:[/QUOTE]

h shit ! Myke admits he' was wrong .;)

I went purple too , before there's no purple .

[quote name='geko29'] You're right. Which is why nobody makes a device that can playback SACDs or DVD-Audio discs. :roll:[/QUOTE]

Pioneer ? Or were you kidding ?
 
[quote name='dpadilla4']Well I am glad I own a ps3 and I hear that ps3 owners will be able to download blu-ray movies is that correct?[/QUOTE]
PSP owners

It's a managed copy thing
 
[quote name='Richlough']h shit ! Myke admits he' was wrong .;) [/QUOTE]

Not wrong, just "goofy" I suppose. I went purple after the WB announcement, half as a joke. I said "I'm offering $50 for a 360 Add-on, PM if you want to sell it for that." Someone wanted to sell it, and they should have sent it over the weekend or yesterday. I'll pay them when it shows up. Hell, $50 for an add-on is a great deal, dead format or not.

[quote name='dpadilla4']Well I am glad I own a ps3 and I hear that ps3 owners will be able to download blu-ray movies is that correct?[/QUOTE]

Download? No. Buy from a retailer and play the disc in your machine? Yep.

Unless you mean copy a portable copy of the movie from your Blu-Ray disc to your PSP, in which case, yeah, it's a "download" of sorts, I suppose. But no movies offer than yet, and it remains to be seen which do support it.
 
I think only fools are saying that they're going to immediately jump from HD DVD exclusive to BD exclusive. But, they still need to get out of their contract to go neutral. Going neutral is, IMO, the most likely outcome over the next few weeks (even more likely than staying HD-exclusive).

Fact is, (I think - so much for "fact," eh?) Paramount started out as HD exclusive and went neutral at some point in 2006. They have never *not* supported HD DVD, thus they've never been BD-exclusive. I think we'll see them go neutral first, and quite soon.

Universal? That's a hard one to tell. Graffeo's going to hold onto HD DVD with his life, and make LinkinPrime look like a man with no faith in HD DVD by comparison. (I'm jus' playin' BTW).
 
[quote name='Richlough']Pioneer ? Or were you kidding ?[/quote]
Yeah I was totally kidding, and that was my point. There's profit to be made in meeting people's needs, even if that means including playback of a dead format in another device. Since both SACD and DVD-A were both much bigger failures than HD DVD will be when all is said and done (having not achieved anywhere near the same level of penetration) and DVD players that support them are still available, it's doesn't require a great deal of imagination to think that Blu-Ray players that can also plyaback HD DVDs will be valuable to some portion of the market for some time to come. Combine that with an incremental cost that will approach (but not quite reach) zero over time, and you have virtually guaranteed support.
 
[quote name='geko29']Yeah I was totally kidding...[/QUOTE]

Hey , I just discovered that you must really like racing games .

What kind of cars do you like ?

Sorry for going off topic .

EDIT : Did you guys hook up on any TRU BR's ?

I picked up Casino Royale & Cars .
 
[quote name='Richlough']Hey , I just discovered that you must really like racing games .

What kind of cars do you like ?

Sorry for going off topic .

EDIT : Did you guys hook up on any TRU BR's ?

I picked up Casino Royale & Cars .[/QUOTE]

TRU AND Best Buys deals...read my post a few responses up ;)
 
[quote name='Richlough']Hey , I just discovered that you must really like racing games .

What kind of cars do you like ?[/quote]
LOL. The funny thing is, I've only played NFS:MW like 3 times, the last time being almost a year ago, and while I'm more than halfway through the level explorer in RR6, that hasn't been popped in for probably 6-8 months. But yeah, you could say I like racing games. I've got at least 60% completion in GT 1-4, and half of the 360 games in my library are racing games (unless you count Big Bumpin', then it's 5/8 LOL). Not too far in Forza 2 though, just haven't had the time.

Cars in games, or in real life? In games I tend to stick to high powered RWD cars, mid engine if I can tune them to be driveable. Occasionally there's the rediculous 1000+ HP AWD car. FWD is the devil. :) In GT 1 and 2, I rocked the R34 Skyline (well, you gotta love skylines in EVERY GT game. :)) and TVR Cebera. I dominated GT3 with a highly modified C5 in the mid 700hp range and a Spoon S2000 in the mid-high 200hp range, and my ride of choice in GT4 was a Dodge Ram packed to the nines (think it was about 880hp) because you get the max points for pretty much every race. :)

In real life, I'm much more tame. My main ride is a 2000 BMW 323i with a Getrag 5-speed. I keep meaning to take it to some track days or a racing school, but time/money always seems to get in the way. Before that it was a '99 Dakota 318 V8 with a 5-speed. Talk about torque, burnouts, and donuts. :) Occasionally I help a friend tune his turbo jetta (~240hp at the front wheels) and we go bombing around in that, or I go to autocrosses with him.

The wife drives an '07 Lexus RX350, though not by choice. She refuses to acknowledge any vehicle with a fixed roof as her car, but we needed something practical to cart our son around for the next few years before he can properly enjoy the wind in his hair. Then she gets her convertible back. Some time later I can finally replace my car. Thining either a C6 (or C7, since that's where they'll probably be by then), or if I'm feeling a tinge of practicality and responsibility, a 535i with a PROcede and exhaust. 400hp and 400lbft of torque at the rear wheels in a sensible 12 second family hauler MUHAHAHAHA!!!
 
Just came back from TRU got my first Blu-Rays, Cars and Ratatouille, total was $16.xx for both after $5 coupon scanned twice :D. Now to play the waiting game for a PS3...
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Just came back from TRU got my first Blu-Rays, Cars and Ratatouille, total was $16.xx for both after $5 coupon scanned twice :D. Now to play the waiting game for a PS3...[/QUOTE]


I can imagine Pixar movies looking amazing on high def with no visible compression artifacts what so ever.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Just came back from TRU got my first Blu-Rays, Cars and Ratatouille, total was $16.xx for both after $5 coupon scanned twice :D. Now to play the waiting game for a PS3...[/QUOTE]

Your lucky I didn''t know about any coupon when I went .

[quote name='geko29']LOL. The funny thing is, I've only played NFS:MW like 3 times, the last time being almost a year ago, and while I'm more than halfway through the level explorer in RR6, that hasn't been popped in for probably 6-8 months. But yeah, you could say I like racing games. I've got at least 60% completion in GT 1-4, and half of the 360 games in my library are racing games (unless you count Big Bumpin', then it's 5/8 LOL). Not too far in Forza 2 though, just haven't had the time.

Cars in games, or in real life? In games I tend to stick to high powered RWD cars, mid engine if I can tune them to be driveable. Occasionally there's the rediculous 1000+ HP AWD car. FWD is the devil. :) In GT 1 and 2, I rocked the R34 Skyline (well, you gotta love skylines in EVERY GT game. :)) and TVR Cebera. I dominated GT3 with a highly modified C5 in the mid 700hp range and a Spoon S2000 in the mid-high 200hp range, and my ride of choice in GT4 was a Dodge Ram packed to the nines (think it was about 880hp) because you get the max points for pretty much every race. :)

In real life, I'm much more tame. My main ride is a 2000 BMW 323i with a Getrag 5-speed. I keep meaning to take it to some track days or a racing school, but time/money always seems to get in the way. Before that it was a '99 Dakota 318 V8 with a 5-speed. Talk about torque, burnouts, and donuts. :) Occasionally I help a friend tune his turbo jetta (~240hp at the front wheels) and we go bombing around in that, or I go to autocrosses with him.

The wife drives an '07 Lexus RX350, though not by choice. She refuses to acknowledge any vehicle with a fixed roof as her car, but we needed something practical to cart our son around for the next few years before he can properly enjoy the wind in his hair. Then she gets her convertible back. Some time later I can finally replace my car. Thining either a C6 (or C7, since that's where they'll probably be by then), or if I'm feeling a tinge of practicality and responsibility, a 535i with a PROcede and exhaust. 400hp and 400lbft of torque at the rear wheels in a sensible 12 second family hauler MUHAHAHAHA!!![/QUOTE]

I meant in real life , I like RWD V8's if I could ever get one again .
I had a '99 Hugger Orange Z28 , I miss it .

Do yourself a favor and check out PGR3 , it should be really cheap now .
It's sim-ish in that the cars are realistically recreated and it has just enough fun 'arcade' in it .
It's not so uptight like Gran Turismo or even Forza .

Oh , and the new ZR1 :drool: don't get me started , I thought the ZO6 was awesome .
It's all about the Blue Devil .
 
[quote name='Richlough']I meant in real life , I like RWD V8's if I could ever get one again .
I had a '99 Hugger Orange Z28 , I miss it .[/quote] Great and highly tunable car. :) I used to work with a guy who had a '99 (I think it was a '99) Camaro SS. What a blast.

[quote name='Richlough'] Do yourself a favor and check out PGR3 , it should be really cheap now .[/quote] Free, in fact. :) My friend with the Jetta bought the Wireless Racing Wheel and already had PGR3, so he gave me the packin copy. Haven't played it yet though.

[quote name='Richlough'] It's sim-ish in that the cars are realistically recreated and it has just enough fun 'arcade' in it .
It's not so uptight like Gran Turismo or even Forza .[/quote] But, but, I LIKE uptight. :)

[quote name='Richlough'] Oh , and the new ZR1 :drool: don't get me started , I thought the ZO6 was awesome .
It's all about the Blue Devil .[/quote] I'd love one, but $100k plus lube, plus markup, plus more lube, plus tax isn't in the cards anytime soon. :(

But it's bedtime for me, so I'll stop clogging up the movie thread with car stuff. :) Night all.
 
[quote name='geko29']
I'd love one, but $100k plus lube, plus markup, plus more lube, plus tax isn't in the cards anytime soon. :(
[/QUOTE]
I know , it's just my dream .

[quote name='LinkinPrime']http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165662

Try it again if you get a chance, or rebuy the same movies and return them with your old receipt. Also I own Cars on DVD already so there's a $10 MIR for the upgrade to Blu-Ray so after rebate I'll be getting both movies for under $7.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I need to do that , the upgrade too .
Only Cars qualifies though .[the other movie was Casino Royale]
I was happy with 2 for $25 .
I'm used to HD DVD B&M prices , another reason I justified going purple .

On that note , be sure to get a Blu-Ray player before HD DVD is gone , because then you can say you went purple .
You'll feel better about it .
 
[quote name='Richlough']I know , it's just my dream .



Yeah I need to do that , the upgrade too .
Only Cars qualifies though .[the other movie was Casino Royale]
I was happy with 2 for $25 .
I'm used to HD DVD B&M prices , another reason I justified going purple .

On that note , be sure to get a Blu-Ray player before HD DVD is gone , because then you can say you went purple .
You'll feel better about it .[/quote]

I'll be purple either way because I'm not getting rid of my HD DVD's. Technically I'm already purple, just can't see blu yet :)
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Just came back from TRU got my first Blu-Rays, Cars and Ratatouille, total was $16.xx for both after $5 coupon scanned twice :D. Now to play the waiting game for a PS3...[/QUOTE]

Holy shit, LinkinPrime? Supporting Blu-Ray? Who are you and give us the old LP back please. ;)

I will say I now don't feel quite as bad (dare I say guilty?) for ordering my PS3 and first Blu-Rays earlier tonight.

I'll still go HD-DVD over Blu-Ray if given the choice since I'm still somewhat loyal and still kinda anti-Sony, but I like movies and my HDTV far too much to essentially starve it. Besides, now I can have the best of both worlds.
 
[quote name='captainfrizo']Holy shit, LinkinPrime? Supporting Blu-Ray? Who are you and give us the old LP back please. ;)

I will say I now don't feel quite as bad (dare I say guilty?) for ordering my PS3 and first Blu-Rays earlier tonight.

I'll still go HD-DVD over Blu-Ray if given the choice since I'm still somewhat loyal and still kinda anti-Sony, but I like movies and my HDTV far too much to essentially starve it. Besides, now I can have the best of both worlds.[/QUOTE]
Ditto. I'm not buying blu-ray. Sony's ambition to control everything scares the bejeebus out of me. When UV-ray comes out they'll want a retinal scan to double check w/ their database before you can play your movie. :p
 
[quote name='TURBO']Ditto. I'm not buying blu-ray. Sony's ambition to control everything scares the bejeebus out of me.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I hear ya man. Sometimes I really feel like Microsoft is best suited to handle everything instead. Because they have done such a great job with everything else they've done. And they're responsive to consumer needs. That's the ticket. The work they're doing to corner the digital download market before it really begins, and the sheer lack of limitations on XBLM content, really reassure me. Like a burlap massage.

[quote name='captainfrizo']I'm still somewhat loyal and still kinda anti-Sony, but I like movies and my HDTV far too much to essentially starve it. Besides, now I can have the best of both worlds.[/QUOTE]

How "anti" are you when you admit you're going to go purple? Show some scruples, hombre.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Oh, I hear ya man. Sometimes I really feel like Microsoft is best suited to handle everything instead. Because they have done such a great job with everything else they've done. And they're responsive to consumer needs. That's the ticket. The work they're doing to corner the digital download market before it really begins, and the sheer lack of limitations on XBLM content, really reassure me. Like a burlap massage.[/QUOTE]
I'm going to say this once. I do not get into flame wars on the internet; it's jejune. If you disagree with me, you can do it in a respectful & constructive way; otherwise do not expect a response.

As for MS, that is irrelevant to me (& a tu quoque argument). Digital downloads will never usurp physical media imo. Not until, at least, you can turn your digital download into physical media. For rentals, OnDemand already fulfills the market. MS is also not a very large holder in the HD DVD forum from what I understand, whereas Sony is the majority holder. MS is also not in the media business, whereas Sony owns music & movie studios.

I'm talking about a physical media format. Products outside that are irrelevant to my decision.
 
[quote name='TURBO']I'm going to say this once. I do not get into flame wars on the internet; it's jejune. If you disagree with me, you can do it in a respectful & constructive way; otherwise do not expect a response.[/quote]

Should I feel blessed that I got one this time, then? Don't give me your effete "too good for you" pap, and spare the thesaurus. Don't take it personal, and we'll get along fine. Probably never walk on the beach at sunset holding hands; but, hey, not everyone wins the lottery.

I'm talking about a physical media format. Products outside that are irrelevant to my decision.
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Well, looks like you'll be stuck with upscaling DVDs for the next 7-8 years then, no?
 
That avatar Myke.. it cracks me up.


Since no one in the PS3 rebate area answered let me ask this to anyone here. To my understanding the Blu Ray MIR for the 5 free ended in October, and a new one began. Since we are near 1/31/07 (when this one ends) I am curious about something.

When the old offer ended, was there overlap in purchase dates, so the buyers basically could have opted for either of the forms, given they were within the purchase window..... or was it a clear cut date? For instance purchased before 10/31/07 you must use that rebate, after you must use the new rebate?

I have yet to send mine in yet, and may hold off until 1/31/07 if there was overlap last time around.

*edit,

No overlap last time around. FYI
 
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