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[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, she has red hair which is the real key. She was never really described in that much detail in the books beyond having firey read hair. All the rest comes down to costumes.
Dillane could be very good as Stanis. He was great as Jefferson in the John Adams miniseries.[/QUOTE]
Right and they would have to put a wig really on any actress they cast anyway. Even an actress with red hair likely still wouldnt have the right color.
Dillane could be very good as Stanis. He was great as Jefferson in the John Adams miniseries.[/QUOTE]
Right and they would have to put a wig really on any actress they cast anyway. Even an actress with red hair likely still wouldnt have the right color.
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Good to know that a couple of you think that the actors for Stannis and Melisandre seem to meet the right "look" for the characters as you know them.
I think the hair color issue could probably be handled by reddening up her hair, don't you think?
I think the hair color issue could probably be handled by reddening up her hair, don't you think?
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[quote name='bvharris']Looks good to me. That article described it as the final major casting for season 2, though unless I've missed something we're still short a couple of Tullys and a couple of Boltons (and a few others).[/QUOTE]
Plus the Greyjoys, Reeds, and Ygritte. Probably Jeyne Westerling too.
Plus the Greyjoys, Reeds, and Ygritte. Probably Jeyne Westerling too.
[quote name='yankeessuck']Plus the Greyjoys, Reeds, and Ygritte. Probably Jeyne Westerling too.[/QUOTE]
Well they've already cast (and renamed) Asha. Balon is not really a major part, since he appears for a hot second, and they won't need the other Greyjoys until later (it wouldn't surprise me if the Iron Islands portions are trimmed significantly either).
They'll definitely need to cast the Reeds, though I assume they'll be child actors we haven't heard of.
Ygritte could easily be pushed to Season 3, since she's only at the very end of book 2.
Jeyne Westerling doesn't appear at all until book 3.
Well they've already cast (and renamed) Asha. Balon is not really a major part, since he appears for a hot second, and they won't need the other Greyjoys until later (it wouldn't surprise me if the Iron Islands portions are trimmed significantly either).
They'll definitely need to cast the Reeds, though I assume they'll be child actors we haven't heard of.
Ygritte could easily be pushed to Season 3, since she's only at the very end of book 2.
Jeyne Westerling doesn't appear at all until book 3.
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[quote name='bvharris']Well they've already cast (and renamed) Asha. Balon is not really a major part, since he appears for a hot second, and they won't need the other Greyjoys until later (it wouldn't surprise me if the Iron Islands portions are trimmed significantly either).
They'll definitely need to cast the Reeds, though I assume they'll be child actors we haven't heard of.
Ygritte could easily be pushed to Season 3, since she's only at the very end of book 2.
Jeyne Westerling doesn't appear at all until book 3.[/QUOTE]
Aeron Greyjoy is in book 2 but I suppose its possible he could get totally cut out of the series or introduced later. Was Victarion in book 2? Dont really need to cast him yet either way. I'm in favor of your trimming idea but if they dont do that I would like to see Aeron.
I think Ygritte stays because its a good way to end that specific story. I dont really see how they could push that. In fact they could even push some of it into season 2
Jeyne Westerling I think is likely to make it into book 2 because they are adding scenes for Robb.
They'll definitely need to cast the Reeds, though I assume they'll be child actors we haven't heard of.
Ygritte could easily be pushed to Season 3, since she's only at the very end of book 2.
Jeyne Westerling doesn't appear at all until book 3.[/QUOTE]
Aeron Greyjoy is in book 2 but I suppose its possible he could get totally cut out of the series or introduced later. Was Victarion in book 2? Dont really need to cast him yet either way. I'm in favor of your trimming idea but if they dont do that I would like to see Aeron.
I think Ygritte stays because its a good way to end that specific story. I dont really see how they could push that. In fact they could even push some of it into season 2
Jeyne Westerling I think is likely to make it into book 2 because they are adding scenes for Robb.
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There is also always the possibility they will take 1-2 seasons per book now. The books are longer, and also with the fact that GRRM is taking 5+ years to write a book. They could end up at season 5, and no book 6 being released They have a problem.
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Jeyne Westerling I think is likely to make it into book 2 because they are adding scenes for Robb.[/QUOTE]
I suppose they might want to show some scenes of them meeting, etc. That will be easier for a TV audience than
[quote name='Hell Monkey']There is also always the possibility they will take 1-2 seasons per book now. The books are longer, and also with the fact that GRRM is taking 5+ years to write a book. They could end up at season 5, and no book 6 being released They have a problem.[/QUOTE]
They're definitely not taking 2 seasons for book 2, they've already said. The possibility exists for book 3, and I think everyone hopes they do since it's a lengthy one.
Jeyne Westerling I think is likely to make it into book 2 because they are adding scenes for Robb.[/QUOTE]
I suppose they might want to show some scenes of them meeting, etc. That will be easier for a TV audience than
if he just shows up and says "yo, this is my wife."
[quote name='Hell Monkey']There is also always the possibility they will take 1-2 seasons per book now. The books are longer, and also with the fact that GRRM is taking 5+ years to write a book. They could end up at season 5, and no book 6 being released They have a problem.[/QUOTE]
They're definitely not taking 2 seasons for book 2, they've already said. The possibility exists for book 3, and I think everyone hopes they do since it's a lengthy one.
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[quote name='dmaul1114']Martin apparently has it all mapped out and has told them how it ends. I'd guess if they caught up to him before he finished books 6 or 7 he'd end up just working with them on the screen plays.[/QUOTE]
It would be odd to see the seasons contain the actual events that the books intended to.
It would be odd to see the seasons contain the actual events that the books intended to.
[quote name='Anexanhume']It would be odd to see the seasons contain the actual events that the books intended to.[/QUOTE]
I agree. I really hope it doesn't come to that, I vastly prefer to read first and then see how they translate it to the screen.
It's not unprecedented for HBO shows to take extended breaks between seasons, The Wire took yearlong breaks between seasons 3, 4, and 5. Now granted, almost no one watched The Wire when it was on, so it was likely a much easier decision for HBO in that case. I highly doubt they'd want to do that for GoT if it remains a hit (and if it doesn't, it will have been canceled), but we'll see.
I agree. I really hope it doesn't come to that, I vastly prefer to read first and then see how they translate it to the screen.
It's not unprecedented for HBO shows to take extended breaks between seasons, The Wire took yearlong breaks between seasons 3, 4, and 5. Now granted, almost no one watched The Wire when it was on, so it was likely a much easier decision for HBO in that case. I highly doubt they'd want to do that for GoT if it remains a hit (and if it doesn't, it will have been canceled), but we'll see.
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[quote name='bvharris']They're definitely not taking 2 seasons for book 2, they've already said. The possibility exists for book 3, and I think everyone hopes they do since it's a lengthy one.[/QUOTE]I guess as Book 3 and Book 5 are about the same length, if they go down the multi-season/extended season route with Book 3, they'd likely do the same with Book 5.
I hope that they decide that once they get into Book 2, they go from 10 episodes to 12 or 13 episodes, to make sure they cover everything they need to cover and not cut items out.
I hope that they decide that once they get into Book 2, they go from 10 episodes to 12 or 13 episodes, to make sure they cover everything they need to cover and not cut items out.
[quote name='shrike4242']I guess as Book 3 and Book 5 are about the same length, if they go down the multi-season/extended season route with Book 3, they'd likely do the same with Book 5.
I hope that they decide that once they get into Book 2, they go from 10 episodes to 12 or 13 episodes, to make sure they cover everything they need to cover and not cut items out.[/QUOTE]
Well book 4 and 5 will need to be integrated somehow since they run in parallel. I would hope that combined they would cover at least three seasons.
I hope that they decide that once they get into Book 2, they go from 10 episodes to 12 or 13 episodes, to make sure they cover everything they need to cover and not cut items out.[/QUOTE]
Well book 4 and 5 will need to be integrated somehow since they run in parallel. I would hope that combined they would cover at least three seasons.
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[quote name='bvharris']Well they've already cast (and renamed) Asha. Balon is not really a major part, since he appears for a hot second, and they won't need the other Greyjoys until later (it wouldn't surprise me if the Iron Islands portions are trimmed significantly either). [/QUOTE]
I hope they don't cut Balon. He may not be in the book much, but the first Theon chapter he's pretty important because of what he says at the very end.
I hope they don't cut Balon. He may not be in the book much, but the first Theon chapter he's pretty important because of what he says at the very end.
[quote name='bvharris']Well book 4 and 5 will need to be integrated somehow since they run in parallel. I would hope that combined they would cover at least three seasons.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they'll have to integrate those two books for sure, but I think they can do it across 2 seasons. There's a good bit they can cut and trim from book 4 especially (i.e. the Dorne and Iron Island sections).
Yeah, they'll have to integrate those two books for sure, but I think they can do it across 2 seasons. There's a good bit they can cut and trim from book 4 especially (i.e. the Dorne and Iron Island sections).
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George said in an interview that Books 4 and 5 will be reorganized for the show. If only he could hire an extra assistant to reorganize the actual books and republish them...
That would be nice. I'm sure they will for the inevitable fancy box set like LotR had multiple times over.
That would be nice. I'm sure they will for the inevitable fancy box set like LotR had multiple times over.
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[quote name='Magus8472']Outside of Balon and "Yara" Greyjoy, I'd think a lot of the as-yet-uncast Clash of Kings characters are highly likely to be combined and/or pushed back into season 3. Season 2 is already going to have a glut of characters as is.[/QUOTE]
So is it official that Vargo Hoat, Craster, etc. have been shitcanned as characters? I sure hope not. Craster himself is not necessary I guess, but what happens in the chapters he appears in is pretty
ing huge.
So is it official that Vargo Hoat, Craster, etc. have been shitcanned as characters? I sure hope not. Craster himself is not necessary I guess, but what happens in the chapters he appears in is pretty
ing huge.[quote name='crunchb3rry']So is it official that Vargo Hoat, Craster, etc. have been shitcanned as characters? I sure hope not. Craster himself is not necessary I guess, but what happens in the chapters he appears in is pretty ing huge.[/QUOTE]
If they cut Craster, the Night's Watch isn't going to have a lot to do on their ranging until the latter half of the season.
ing huge.[/QUOTE]If they cut Craster, the Night's Watch isn't going to have a lot to do on their ranging until the latter half of the season.
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This was info from the panel that was run at Comic Con yesterday with GRRM and a number of the actors from GoT:
[quote name='ComiCon panel info']George R.R. Martin teased and quizzed the Game of Thrones cast in a panel at Comic-Con yesterday. The cast shared their greatest GoT challenges and favorite scenes, the creators hinted at what's ahead, and Martin revealed the moment he won't watch on television.
Martin sported a spiffy pair of flame-covered suspenders as he moderated a playful and relatively spoiler-free panel with cast members Nikolaj Coster-Waldau (Jaime Lannister), Kit Harington (Jon Snow), Lena Headey (Cersei Lannister), Peter Dinklage (Tyrion Lannister), Jason Momoa (Khal Drogo), and Emilia Clarke (Daenerys Targaryen), as well as show creators David Benioff and D.B. Weiss.
Martin kicked off the panel by asking Benioff and Weiss how they got involved with the project. Benioff admitted that when their agent sent them the books, he had never heard of A Song of Fire and Ice, but he was hooked from the moment Jaime pushed Bran out the window. "It's like crack on paper," he said. As they worked on adapting the series for screen, they were approached by several people convinced they had found a way to make a two-and-a-half-hour Game of Thrones feature film (a revelation that earned audible scoffs from panelists and the audience alike), but he and Weiss always envisioned it as an HBO series, and consider themselves lucky that Martin agreed.
Among the panelists, Momoa stole the show, walking on stage in sunglasses and quickly pulling them down to reveal his Khal Drogo eye makeup. When Martin asked Momoa, who stars in the latest Conan film, who would win in a fight between Drogo and Conan, Momoa didn't hesitate: "Between you and me, Drogo would kick Conan's ass" and proceeded to yell a Dothraki war cry into the microphone.
Drogo fans will also be in for a treat when the first season comes out on DVD. Benioff and Weiss explained that deleted scenes are unlikely since very little ended up on the cutting room floor. But in addition to extras created by the production team (and artwork from storyboard artist Will Simpson), the DVD set will include the cast members' first auditions, so we can see their first interpretations of the characters. Benioff singled out Momoa's audition, which includes a special dance Momoa decided to perform for the casting directors to prove his worth as Khal Drogo.
Martin asked Headey if it was difficult going from playing a heroic character on Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles to the villainous Queen Cersei. Headey repeatedly expressed great affection for Cersei (and says she's gotten flack from fans for humanizing the character), but said it's fun to play a character who isn't trying to be morally good. "I'm not looking to please people. But then people come up and say, ‘Oh I hate you.' It's shocking." When Martin asked Dinklage if playing such a beloved character affected his acting approach, Dinklage noted that everyone on the panel had "big shoes to fill." He paused. "Yeah, it was terrifying."
Martin teased Harington about the Jon Snow posters sure to be hanging on girls' walls – and joked that he always hoped that a Twilight-style "Team Jon" and "Team Robb" would emerge from the show. He then asked how Harington would feel about replacing his canine co-stars with puppet wolves. "The thing about puppet wolves," Harington said, "is they do what they're told. I love Cooper – [the dog who plays] Ghost – but he doesn't do what he's told. He just wanted the meat from my hand."
For Momoa, the prospect of acting in the made-up Dothraki language was daunting, especially one that, in his words, sounds like a cross between "Jabba the Hutt and Fozzie Bear." But after a lot of pizza and a lot of Guinness, he was game.
One fan asked the actors to name which scene was their favorite to film. Coster-Waldau was quick to joke, "Isaac was really annoying, so pushing him. No! No! That's a joke. I really liked my last scene with Catelyn." Headey chose a scene not from the book, the first scene between Cersei and Robert, which she felt revealed a lot about their relationship. Momoa had earlier expounded at length on Drogo's tongue-extricating fight scene, which he helped craft (apparently, he dreamed about ripping someone's throat out), and Martin said he quite enjoyed. Dinklage cited his trial as a personal favorite, "because it was a long day and there were a lot of extras. So I felt like a master of ceremonies for a lot of bored extras." For Clarke, the choice was easy: the final scene of the season. "Then getting to see it properly on screen was amazing," she said. "When I saw those dragons – I got shivers."
Coster-Waldau had the most amusing answer for a fan who wanted to know how the actors would end the series: "There's a big battle and it fades to black. It comes up with a sign that says, "Twenty years later." There's a cottage. Jaime and Cersei come out, and he says, "Finally, my love. Finally."
So what can fans expect for the coming seasons? "It's time to meet the red priestess," Benioff said. "And it's time to see those wolves and dragons grow up."
Weiss added, "It's a season of exploration."
The challenge, the creators said, is if and when they get to Season Three, since A Storm of Swords won't fit neatly into a single season. Benioff is especially concerned with reaching an event in A Storm of Swords that he would refer to only by the initials "R.W." "If we get to R.W.," he said, "we'll know we've done something. If we can get to R.W., then I can retire."
As for the future of the book series, one fan asked Martin if he was afraid of pulling a Lost. "I am concerned about the ending," he admitted. "I still have two books to go and I'm juggling a lot of balls, and there is that fear that some of those balls will land on my head. But I'm just going to keep juggling as fast as I can." He reiterated what he's told fans before: expect a bittersweet ending.
And does he ever mourn those characters he's killed? Martin firmly believes that the knowledge that a character could die at any moment is important to a reader's emotional investment in the characters, but that hasn't made those deaths any easier. "Actually," he said, "I mourn all the characters as I kill them." He reminded the audience that he spends a lot of time crawling around inside his point-of-view characters' heads. "I've lived with some of these characters for 20 years, and it's hard when I have to kill them, and I tell myself it's not me killing the characters; it's the other characters."
He describes a certain death that occurs two thirds of the way through A Storm of Swords as "the hardest thing I've ever written." In fact, he put off writing that particular scene until after he had written the rest of the book. "It was as wrenching to write as I'm sure it was for many of you to read."
In fact, it's the one thing he's not looking forward to seeing on the show. "I think when they show it, I'm going to arrange to be out of the country to some place that doesn't have television yet."[/quote]
[quote name='ComiCon panel info']George R.R. Martin teased and quizzed the Game of Thrones cast in a panel at Comic-Con yesterday. The cast shared their greatest GoT challenges and favorite scenes, the creators hinted at what's ahead, and Martin revealed the moment he won't watch on television.
Martin sported a spiffy pair of flame-covered suspenders as he moderated a playful and relatively spoiler-free panel with cast members Nikolaj Coster-Waldau (Jaime Lannister), Kit Harington (Jon Snow), Lena Headey (Cersei Lannister), Peter Dinklage (Tyrion Lannister), Jason Momoa (Khal Drogo), and Emilia Clarke (Daenerys Targaryen), as well as show creators David Benioff and D.B. Weiss.
Martin kicked off the panel by asking Benioff and Weiss how they got involved with the project. Benioff admitted that when their agent sent them the books, he had never heard of A Song of Fire and Ice, but he was hooked from the moment Jaime pushed Bran out the window. "It's like crack on paper," he said. As they worked on adapting the series for screen, they were approached by several people convinced they had found a way to make a two-and-a-half-hour Game of Thrones feature film (a revelation that earned audible scoffs from panelists and the audience alike), but he and Weiss always envisioned it as an HBO series, and consider themselves lucky that Martin agreed.
Among the panelists, Momoa stole the show, walking on stage in sunglasses and quickly pulling them down to reveal his Khal Drogo eye makeup. When Martin asked Momoa, who stars in the latest Conan film, who would win in a fight between Drogo and Conan, Momoa didn't hesitate: "Between you and me, Drogo would kick Conan's ass" and proceeded to yell a Dothraki war cry into the microphone.
Drogo fans will also be in for a treat when the first season comes out on DVD. Benioff and Weiss explained that deleted scenes are unlikely since very little ended up on the cutting room floor. But in addition to extras created by the production team (and artwork from storyboard artist Will Simpson), the DVD set will include the cast members' first auditions, so we can see their first interpretations of the characters. Benioff singled out Momoa's audition, which includes a special dance Momoa decided to perform for the casting directors to prove his worth as Khal Drogo.
Martin asked Headey if it was difficult going from playing a heroic character on Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles to the villainous Queen Cersei. Headey repeatedly expressed great affection for Cersei (and says she's gotten flack from fans for humanizing the character), but said it's fun to play a character who isn't trying to be morally good. "I'm not looking to please people. But then people come up and say, ‘Oh I hate you.' It's shocking." When Martin asked Dinklage if playing such a beloved character affected his acting approach, Dinklage noted that everyone on the panel had "big shoes to fill." He paused. "Yeah, it was terrifying."
Martin teased Harington about the Jon Snow posters sure to be hanging on girls' walls – and joked that he always hoped that a Twilight-style "Team Jon" and "Team Robb" would emerge from the show. He then asked how Harington would feel about replacing his canine co-stars with puppet wolves. "The thing about puppet wolves," Harington said, "is they do what they're told. I love Cooper – [the dog who plays] Ghost – but he doesn't do what he's told. He just wanted the meat from my hand."
For Momoa, the prospect of acting in the made-up Dothraki language was daunting, especially one that, in his words, sounds like a cross between "Jabba the Hutt and Fozzie Bear." But after a lot of pizza and a lot of Guinness, he was game.
One fan asked the actors to name which scene was their favorite to film. Coster-Waldau was quick to joke, "Isaac was really annoying, so pushing him. No! No! That's a joke. I really liked my last scene with Catelyn." Headey chose a scene not from the book, the first scene between Cersei and Robert, which she felt revealed a lot about their relationship. Momoa had earlier expounded at length on Drogo's tongue-extricating fight scene, which he helped craft (apparently, he dreamed about ripping someone's throat out), and Martin said he quite enjoyed. Dinklage cited his trial as a personal favorite, "because it was a long day and there were a lot of extras. So I felt like a master of ceremonies for a lot of bored extras." For Clarke, the choice was easy: the final scene of the season. "Then getting to see it properly on screen was amazing," she said. "When I saw those dragons – I got shivers."
Coster-Waldau had the most amusing answer for a fan who wanted to know how the actors would end the series: "There's a big battle and it fades to black. It comes up with a sign that says, "Twenty years later." There's a cottage. Jaime and Cersei come out, and he says, "Finally, my love. Finally."
So what can fans expect for the coming seasons? "It's time to meet the red priestess," Benioff said. "And it's time to see those wolves and dragons grow up."
Weiss added, "It's a season of exploration."
The challenge, the creators said, is if and when they get to Season Three, since A Storm of Swords won't fit neatly into a single season. Benioff is especially concerned with reaching an event in A Storm of Swords that he would refer to only by the initials "R.W." "If we get to R.W.," he said, "we'll know we've done something. If we can get to R.W., then I can retire."
As for the future of the book series, one fan asked Martin if he was afraid of pulling a Lost. "I am concerned about the ending," he admitted. "I still have two books to go and I'm juggling a lot of balls, and there is that fear that some of those balls will land on my head. But I'm just going to keep juggling as fast as I can." He reiterated what he's told fans before: expect a bittersweet ending.
And does he ever mourn those characters he's killed? Martin firmly believes that the knowledge that a character could die at any moment is important to a reader's emotional investment in the characters, but that hasn't made those deaths any easier. "Actually," he said, "I mourn all the characters as I kill them." He reminded the audience that he spends a lot of time crawling around inside his point-of-view characters' heads. "I've lived with some of these characters for 20 years, and it's hard when I have to kill them, and I tell myself it's not me killing the characters; it's the other characters."
He describes a certain death that occurs two thirds of the way through A Storm of Swords as "the hardest thing I've ever written." In fact, he put off writing that particular scene until after he had written the rest of the book. "It was as wrenching to write as I'm sure it was for many of you to read."
In fact, it's the one thing he's not looking forward to seeing on the show. "I think when they show it, I'm going to arrange to be out of the country to some place that doesn't have television yet."[/quote]
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Great read. I'll admit I'm not looking forward to seeing the R.W. either.
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Cat's kind of out of the bagel given the scene they are talking about in ASoS, but it's strangely comforting knowing it was as hard for George to write it as it was for me to read it. It's the only time I've had to re-read something with disbelief as a cause. I don't know that having read it will make watching it any easier.
BTW, we've kept this thread very lively. If we keep it up, this thread will still be around when it's time to create a season 2 thread.
BTW, we've kept this thread very lively. If we keep it up, this thread will still be around when it's time to create a season 2 thread.
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Can't wait for R.W. Shit's gonna be on CNN after that happens. Wolf Blitzer: "Breaking news, some ed up shit happened on a TV show that is about as ed up as real ed up shit happening in the real world. Shit's all ed up. I can't even talk. I quit."
ed up shit happened on a TV show that is about as ed up as real ed up shit happening in the real world. Shit's all ed up. I can't even talk. I quit."
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That's going to be a hard episode to watch.
[quote name='crunchb3rry']Can't wait for R.W. Shit's gonna be on CNN after that happens. Wolf Blitzer: "Breaking news, some ed up shit happened on a TV show that is about as ed up as real ed up shit happening in the real world. Shit's all ed up. I can't even talk. I quit."[/QUOTE]
Hopefully by that point a lot of the people who've gotten into the series will have read the books, so there won't be as much silly outrage as when Ned lost his head.
ed up shit happened on a TV show that is about as ed up as real ed up shit happening in the real world. Shit's all ed up. I can't even talk. I quit."[/QUOTE]Hopefully by that point a lot of the people who've gotten into the series will have read the books, so there won't be as much silly outrage as when Ned lost his head.
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That's why George was so blown away. People got pissed and he was like "I wrote that book over a decade ago." but also said he's glad people were pissed because he hoped readers actually cared about the characters more than characters in most books.
Lol, here we go again. For the last time, people were pissed it was Sean Bean, not Ned Stark. I started watching the show for HIM, not Ned Stark. The story grew on me, which is why I'll continue to watch, but don't think for a second that it was the character that is missed (at least by me). Had he played the king, or anyone else that died, I would have been pissed. Had he played anyone who lived, I wouldn't have batted an eyelash.
[quote name='Jodou']Lol, here we go again. For the last time, people were pissed it was Sean Bean, not Ned Stark. I started watching the show for HIM, not Ned Stark. The story grew on me, which is why I'll continue to watch, but don't think for a second that it was the character that is missed (at least by me). Had he played the king, or anyone else that died, I would have been pissed. Had he played anyone who lived, I wouldn't have batted an eyelash.[/QUOTE]
I promise you that absolutely no one fails to understand the distinction.
What was amusing to people who've read the books was that the death was written well over a decade ago. That made the fresh outrage (particularly at HBO) pretty amusing.
I promise you that absolutely no one fails to understand the distinction.
What was amusing to people who've read the books was that the death was written well over a decade ago. That made the fresh outrage (particularly at HBO) pretty amusing.
[quote name='Clak']Before the show I had never heard of the book series.[/QUOTE]
All the same. I'm not saying people shouldn't be sad that the actor they tuned in to see won't be on the show anymore. Sean Bean is actually my favorite actor as well. It's the people who act like the producers of the show/HBO somehow pulled a fast one that I don't get. I've heard the argument made (not necessarily here) that they shouldn't have featured Sean Bean so heavily in the marketing if he was going to die, and that this was somehow misleading. Which is ridiculous. Eddard is very much the central character of the first book/season, which is what this marketing was for. I promise you Sean Bean knew full well that the character died before he took the role. In fact I bet it's the only reason he did take it.
Trust me when I say that if Ned Stark didn't die, the rest of the series would be pretty boring.
All the same. I'm not saying people shouldn't be sad that the actor they tuned in to see won't be on the show anymore. Sean Bean is actually my favorite actor as well. It's the people who act like the producers of the show/HBO somehow pulled a fast one that I don't get. I've heard the argument made (not necessarily here) that they shouldn't have featured Sean Bean so heavily in the marketing if he was going to die, and that this was somehow misleading. Which is ridiculous. Eddard is very much the central character of the first book/season, which is what this marketing was for. I promise you Sean Bean knew full well that the character died before he took the role. In fact I bet it's the only reason he did take it.
Trust me when I say that if Ned Stark didn't die, the rest of the series would be pretty boring.
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Do you mean the opening scene in the woods or the opening titles? Because the opening titles are awesome.
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Various remarks have been thrown around regarding the life of this show, with one HBO exec saying that they'll keep doing the show as long as George is writing books, and then another 'clarifying' that they'll keep doing it so long as everyone is 'happy'.
Supposedly the show's creator don't want to go past 10 episodes for the writing burden that would cause, but we'll see for season 3.
http://www.aoltv.com/2011/07/29/game-of-thrones-hbo-george-martin-future/
Supposedly the show's creator don't want to go past 10 episodes for the writing burden that would cause, but we'll see for season 3.
http://www.aoltv.com/2011/07/29/game-of-thrones-hbo-george-martin-future/
I felt like 10 episodes was just right for season one. They hit all the important points, and it flowed very well. There is a LOT more material in later books, and while they can certainly cut things, I still think it will be tough for them to fit them into 10 episodes.
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That first scene is a little off and if you haven't read the books, you're thinking "Um...what the hell is going on?" Even after watching the show, I found it tedious to get through. However, I think GRRM included it because it relates to major events in the last 2 books. As long as you liked the opening credits, that's fine. I don't know how anyone could hate them.
[quote name='bvharris']I felt like 10 episodes was just right for season one. They hit all the important points, and it flowed very well. There is a LOT more material in later books, and while they can certainly cut things, I still think it will be tough for them to fit them into 10 episodes.[/QUOTE]
I've about to finish Clash of Kings and there is a lot they can condense/cut. For example...
[quote name='bvharris']I felt like 10 episodes was just right for season one. They hit all the important points, and it flowed very well. There is a LOT more material in later books, and while they can certainly cut things, I still think it will be tough for them to fit them into 10 episodes.[/QUOTE]
I've about to finish Clash of Kings and there is a lot they can condense/cut. For example...
A lot of the early Arya chapters before Yoren dies is pretty pointless like when they find the little girl. I think they were approached by soldiers twice before the big attack, they could probably just combine those 2 into one or just have that one big fight. The pre-Reed children Bran chapters could be condensed, too. It was mostly about the Hornwood/Bolton quarrel.
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[quote name='icedrake523']That first scene is a little off and if you haven't read the books, you're thinking "Um...what the hell is going on?" Even after watching the show, I found it tedious to get through. However, I think GRRM included it because it relates to major events in the last 2 books. As long as you liked the opening credits, that's fine. I don't know how anyone could hate them.
I've about to finish Clash of Kings and there is a lot they can condense/cut. For example...
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Completely agree with your choices
I've about to finish Clash of Kings and there is a lot they can condense/cut. For example...
A lot of the early Arya chapters before Yoren dies is pretty pointless like when they find the little girl. I think they were approached by soldiers twice before the big attack, they could probably just combine those 2 into one or just have that one big fight. The pre-Reed children Bran chapters could be condensed, too. It was mostly about the Hornwood/Bolton quarrel.
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They can skip over those events and maybe recount them with a character's dialogue if necessary.
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This show is amazing so far. I'm only 6 episodes in but it's easily my favorite series since Lost Season 1.
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The show has won the TV critic's association award for best new program, beating out the walking dead and HBO's own Boardwalk Empire, which was higher rated. It lost outstanding drama, best program and best actor in a drama to mad men, Friday night lights and mad men.
I have to say that with watching the show, reading the books, and then re-watching the show, they really prettied up some of the characters. I mean Tyrion should look pretty ugly from the book descriptions, but he looks alright in the show, no different colored eyes or beard or anything.
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The original board game has been out of print but they have a second edition coming out with improvements from previous expansions and some new changes and it's expected by 4th quarter 2011. Want!
The original board game has been out of print but they have a second edition coming out with improvements from previous expansions and some new changes and it's expected by 4th quarter 2011. Want!
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Some discussions about the S2 filming and the cast:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ss-discuss-game-of-thrones-season-2-more.html
One point the writers bring up in this article is that they say Storm of Swords won't be a single season, though of course, HBO hasn't greenlit a S3 yet.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ss-discuss-game-of-thrones-season-2-more.html
One point the writers bring up in this article is that they say Storm of Swords won't be a single season, though of course, HBO hasn't greenlit a S3 yet.
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[quote name='shrike4242']Some discussions about the S2 filming and the cast:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ss-discuss-game-of-thrones-season-2-more.html
One point the writers bring up in this article is that they say Storm of Swords won't be a single season, though of course, HBO hasn't greenlit a S3 yet.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, there's been some discussion about where they end season 3 is all of ASoS isn't convered (seems rather obvious). The problem becomes how to end season 4 and 5 and accommodate those three books across two seasons.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ss-discuss-game-of-thrones-season-2-more.html
One point the writers bring up in this article is that they say Storm of Swords won't be a single season, though of course, HBO hasn't greenlit a S3 yet.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, there's been some discussion about where they end season 3 is all of ASoS isn't convered (seems rather obvious). The problem becomes how to end season 4 and 5 and accommodate those three books across two seasons.
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[quote name='Anexanhume']Yeah, there's been some discussion about where they end season 3 is all of ASoS isn't convered (seems rather obvious). The problem becomes how to end season 4 and 5 and accommodate those three books across two seasons.[/QUOTE]
The 4th and 5th books combined dont have as more important material as the 3rd so they could cut those down as much as they want.
The 4th and 5th books combined dont have as more important material as the 3rd so they could cut those down as much as they want.
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[quote name='Jodou']Lol, Walking Dead was a contender? More like placing a fat chick next to Jessica Alba.[/QUOTE]
Walking Dead wasn't that bad. Bummer the show didn't win more, but being beat by Friday Night Lights isn't so bad. I knew I'd love GoT from having already read the books countless times over the past decade. But Friday Night Lights surprised the hell out of me. Hope they have a Blu set coming out for that soon.
Walking Dead wasn't that bad. Bummer the show didn't win more, but being beat by Friday Night Lights isn't so bad. I knew I'd love GoT from having already read the books countless times over the past decade. But Friday Night Lights surprised the hell out of me. Hope they have a Blu set coming out for that soon.
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