General Fighting Game Thread #48 Turbo - !quote 16 ^_^

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Im down to host a SF4 Cag Night [PS3] ( sorry 360 users, i dont have a 360) after my semester ends ( may 22)

what do u guys think is a good day to have a SF4 night?
 
[quote name='KingBroly']360 version's online is broken after the patch right now. Nothing works. At all.[/QUOTE]

Yup, seems like everyone is affected including me :p

PS3 works great though.
 
I wouldn't know :(

I've also decided that if the whole MvC2 TE stick thing is true, I am selling my Chun-Li pad to help pay for one of them.
 
Would someone be willing to PM me what will be in the BlazBlue Premium Edition? Pretty please? I really need to make a decision and budget my game spending, so I wanna know if it's worth it.
 
I had some thoughts about SFIV to post here, but I made it into a CAG blog instead.
It's about how Capcom implied that SFIV would be the game to bring CASUAL players back to fighting games... and how that was a DAMN LIE!!!!!

feel free to post ur thoughts, the link is in my sig! :)
 
Good blog post, but here're my qualm with the arguments.

You're operating from the standpoint that Street Fighter IV was supposedly simplified to appeal to the masses. I disagree. Street Fighter IV was supposed to be an easy and intuitive gateway back into the fighting game genre. And this was accomplished by appealing to various levels of play.

The focus attack deceptively complex, as you suggest, and the parry is deceptively simple in concept, but you're forgetting that the ease of execution of these on a technical level leans towards SF4. The timing is more forgiving and the risk is not as severe.

This is not to say that Focus Attacks can't be used in a manner that is time sensitive and risky (just watching any Poongko video can squash that theory), but the point is that people can still use Focus Attacks on a very basic level. Parries cannot be used on a very basic level at all.

EX moves make sense and were never complex. You press one button, it does the normal move. Pressing two will do a more powerful one. It's logical, and most beginners are able to understand that. EX moves weren't an issue in SF3... it was using them well and in the right situations, which remains an issue in SF4.

The EX cancel doesn't have to be used (and is really more a part of advanced Focus Attack usage anyways).

The Revenge Meter is a nice touch. It's really the beginner's super meter, able to change the tide of a battle is a single move and they don't have to do anything except get beat up in order to earn it. More advanced players will focus cancel to get Rage and be able to combo into Ultras, but for the most part the Ultras can't be comboed directly into (except after a level 2+ Focus Attack)... and Capcom did this on purpose, so that you would have to bide your time and wait for your opponent to make a mistake, not just whip out a move and win the game.

SF4 affirms that old mantra of "easy to pick up, but hard to master." It's learning curve is steep, but can still be enjoyed without learning anything at all. Everyone can enjoy SF4 on their own level, and THAT's what separates it from the many other fighters (where it becomes button mashing vs. expert juggles).

The game simplified things in the sense that ONE move changes the entire gameplay mechanic. The Focus Attack is a single powerful move, armor properties, induces stun, a form of parry, a combo cancel, a bait move, and a mind game all in one. It's very flexible and complex for advanced level play, but seems simple at first glance- exactly like SF4.
 
UFC 2009 Undisputed - Demo Impressions

+ UFC fans should appreicate the sim-approach.
+ Great menu and loading. Menu of the Year winner right here.
- Only the fighters have amazing character models, even the referee isn't even on par, and I don't really see a reason why the crowd couldn't have 10x higher-res than they currently have since it doesn't seem like a demanding game to begin with.
 
Haha I appreciate the feedback! I'll just respond to a couple of points:[quote name='GuardianE']The focus attack deceptively complex, as you suggest, and the parry is deceptively simple in concept, but you're forgetting that the ease of execution of these on a technical level leans towards SF4. The timing is more forgiving and the risk is not as severe.

This is not to say that Focus Attacks can't be used in a manner that is time sensitive and risky (just watching any Poongko video can squash that theory), but the point is that people can still use Focus Attacks on a very basic level. Parries cannot be used on a very basic level at all.[/quote]Yeah I agree that the parry definitely has a much higher risk factor. The gap between trying it and mastering it is huge, much huger than that of the Focus Attack. What I meant was that it is much more intuitive concept than the Focus Attack. Let me put it this way... the Focus Attack is certainly "easier," but the parry is "simpler".


[quote name='GuardianE']EX moves make sense and were never complex. You press one button, it does the normal move. Pressing two will do a more powerful one. It's logical, and most beginners are able to understand that. EX moves weren't an issue in SF3... it was using them well and in the right situations, which remains an issue in SF4.[/quote]Yeah I agree. With the EX moves, I was merely making a point about how Capcom seems to have a weird, unspoken grudge against Street Fighter III. It's like SFIII was their childhood friend that was no longer cool to hang around with when high school came around, so Capcom sold him out to be in with the cool kids. The implication with the PR hype was like "don't worry, SFIV won't be like THOSE games," but then they go ahead and rip a key gameplay element straight from one of their bastard children and hope no one notices.

And what's up with SFIV taking place BETWEEN 2 and 3? It's a slap in the face I say!!!

[quote name='GuardianE']The Revenge Meter is a nice touch. It's really the beginner's super meter, able to change the tide of a battle is a single move and they don't have to do anything except get beat up in order to earn it. More advanced players will focus cancel to get Rage and be able to combo into Ultras, but for the most part the Ultras can't be comboed directly into (except after a level 2+ Focus Attack)... and Capcom did this on purpose, so that you would have to bide your time and wait for your opponent to make a mistake, not just whip out a move and win the game.[/quote]Yeah I pretty much agree with you, personally. I was just pointing out the irony of adding a SECOND super meter in a game that was supposedly gonna bring back the casual crowd... it just gives you more stuff to explain once you finally convince your buddy to try the game out!
 
Simpler and easier aren't always the same thing, as you said. :D

SF4 was definitely going for easier. More forgiving inputs, making them register easier, and the easier to use focus attack. Capcom was going for something that was less demanding on a technical level, and opened up the players to formulating strategies. SF3 was very demanding on both a technical and strategic level, and that's where they lost their peripheral fans (that and no one liked SF3 characters).

I think Capcom was going for a blend. Capturing a new generation with less daunting timing/precision, while maintaining the interest of hardcore fighters through complexity/versatility. Those easier inputs will work wonders when your buddy tries out the game for the first time. Sometimes it's hard to remember that many gamers don't automatically have the muscle memory in their hands fireball=down to forward+punch.;)
 
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[quote name='hankmecrankme']Played a bunch of T5DR tonight. Getting back into it. I spent like 4 million Tekken bucks too.[/QUOTE]



Man... I wanna get back into it.... f I see you online later I'll fight yu on lag fest 2000
 
That Tier list might mean even less than nothing, since SRK is speculating that stealth balance changes were made to SF4 with the new Championship Mode. Any validity to this?
 
I hated SF3 but love SF2 and SF4... different strokes.

Also, I definitely agree with that tier list.. 100%, finally an accurate one. However, I also heard there were game play changes made.. something about one of Fei's old combos no longer connecting? LOL @ nerfing Fei even more.
 
Good god, I must've lost about 20 times, each at the 2nd round of Champ Mode. I ranked up from losses alone. :cry:

Although I did win one a few minutes ago, then turned it off. This just makes me realize how much more practice I need. Dictator mainly, since I just kinda forgot how to use him effectively.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']Good god, I must've lost about 20 times, each at the 2nd round of Champ Mode. I ranked up from losses alone. :cry:

Although I did win one a few minutes ago, then turned it off. This just makes me realize how much more practice I need. Dictator mainly, since I just kinda forgot how to use him effectively.[/QUOTE]

I think it's cuz like 80% of the people playing right now are experts haha. It'll probably drop down in the next few days.
 
The championship I finally won had this jump-happy Ryu, so I kept taking advantage of that with air throws. After 6 air throws, he still didn't learn, until the last moments of round 3.
 
From when I first tried the tournament mode...

SWEET!

Just entered my first tournament and WON!

As Balrog (Boxer), I beat Zangief, Akuma, and Ken. Didn't lose a single match -- this bodes will for the tournament I'll be entering tomorrow. Practicing in such situations, even if online, helps w/ my psychological preparation and calming down.
 
o man so I rolled into the EVO forum on srk... lol at the drama!

[quote name='GuardianE']That Tier list might mean even less than nothing, since SRK is speculating that stealth balance changes were made to SF4 with the new Championship Mode. Any validity to this?[/QUOTE]


yes, I kno Zangief's lariat hits low only on startup, and Fei Long's chicken kick was nerfed to remove his infinite.

both of these were confirmed by Mr. Wizard, and apparently there are other undiscovered tweaks at the moment.

[quote name='Inf^Shini']Back to FGT. If you absorb a hit with FA and it's time over, will they count the health starting from the gray bar or not?[/QUOTE]


I would assume the gray area of your life bar counts when you get a time over.

the reason being, I have used focus armor and beaten enemies with grey health on my bar, yet still managed to receive a perfect for the round.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']Man... I wanna get back into it.... f I see you online later I'll fight yu on lag fest 2000[/QUOTE]

I'd definitely play, but I'm at a friend's house and I didn't bring my PS3 either I can go get it later, or use his.

THE KING OF LAG FEST TOURNAMENT 5!!
 
[quote name='BlueSwim']After almost 3 months to the day, Capcom has shipped my TE stick. Yes, I did shout "YEAH!!!" at the top of my lungs when I found out.:lol::lol::lol:[/QUOTE]freakin egg man... u kno how much money u coulda made in 3 months?!?!

and u saved like what $15?? was it worth it?!?!

lol. u cant put a price on SKILLZ btw...
 
[quote name='dizzlle01']i randomly played suko_32 today in championship mode.[/QUOTE]

Yup GG. Kept me on my toes and I couldn't let my guard down!
 
[quote name='Furashu']nice blueswim[/quote]
Thank you! Can'twaitcan'twaitcan'twait:bouncy:
[quote name='JEKKI']freakin egg man... u kno how much money u coulda made in 3 months?!?!

and u saved like what $15?? was it worth it?!?!

lol. u cant put a price on SKILLZ btw...[/quote]
:lol::lol::lol: I got the skills AND the SKILLZ to pay the bills.
 
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making my way to the internet gotta play street fighter

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gotta get a joystick, but I'm broke so I shop at capcom

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I want you!

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I miss you!

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and now I want you!

if I can save me 15 bucks, then that would be oh jus my luck,

but u kno I would pay u all full price, if I could jus, play you... TONITE!
 
infini_shini you there? something happen?

in the mean time if anyone wants to fight me on SFIV, just say so. I'm finally having fun with SFIV since I'm almost entirely comfortable with Dan now.
 
I'm out of town but I'm interested in trying out the Championship Update.

Interesting that Seth got bumped down a couple notches and Abel stayed relatively the same.

Hopefully if there are any changes to Seth, it won't be ones that will annoy me.
 
I decided to try out Rufus last night, and he's really fun. I ended up getting slaughtered by my friend's Dhalsim though, which was really frustrating.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']infini_shini you there? something happen?

in the mean time if anyone wants to fight me on SFIV, just say so. I'm finally having fun with SFIV since I'm almost entirely comfortable with Dan now.[/quote]
Sorry man, things were goin' on and I had to drop it completely to help out. By the time I got back you logged off already and I was bummed.

We need to pick it up where we left off though, I was having fun :p
 
I"m pissed! so i made it to 2100 gp last night in championship mode. and this morning it said there was an error and bumped me down to 1300!

championship mode seems way too laggy now compared to before. I'm missing simple AA attacks like boxer's cr. hp.

it's great 'cuz the competition's tougher, but when i can't do simple combos due to lag spikes... it gets really frustrating after awhile.
 
I'm not downloading porn!!! I turn it off whenever I play SF!!

but yah championship mode wtf where the heck did all these good players come from?!?!?!

I'm like 50/50 on it :cry:
 
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