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[quote name='mykevermin']Y'know, I bristle at this. Not because I disagree, and not because the competition has brought HDTV sets and HD/BR players dropped in price at an unexpected rate (and they aren't done yet), but because Paramount going HD is not "competition." In fact, IMO, it is the precise *opposite* of competition.

Now, you can point out that I support BR and disregard anything I have to say, and that's fine. If that's you, go ahead and skip on to the next post now.

*elevator music*

Alright, now that that's out of the way, the reason I say it is not competition is because Paramount's decision to go HD DVD exclusive was not dictated by the consumer. The decision was made by the HD DVD association (whatever their actual group name is). The consumers were saying "Blu-Ray all the way" via their choices, so, on by itself, being HD-exclusive is akin to saying "we want to make 67% less profit than the format-neutral groups, or 50% less (half of 67%) than BR-exclusive groups." The same argument can be made of BR-exclusive groups as well: "we want to make 33% less profit than format neutral groups." Just to be fair.

So, a massive financial incentive was given to Paramount. To paraphrase the now HD-exclusive Godfather :)lol:), it was an offer they couldn't refuse. Up front, $150 million is a hell of a lot more money than they would earn from 67% of the Hidef video market at this point. At $20 a movie, they'd have to sell 7.5 million discs to make that kind of cash (not counting all the costs of producing said 7.5m discs). 7.5 million discs? To put that in perspective, that's 2.5 times the number of *total* hidef discs (irrespective of format) sold thus far. Again, this offer to Paramount was something they'd be damned foolish to turn down.

In the end, though, I do bristle that this can be considered "competition," at least in the laissez-faire sense; it goes against the grain of the consumers dictating what the market looks like. The consumer had no say in this decision, simply put.

Full disclosure for those who don't follow the "format war" thread: I own a PS3, and am a de facto BR supporter. Feel free to reread my post and interpret as a braying fanatic BR fanboy if you so choose. After that, I encourage you to join the format war thread, as I'd like to continue the conversation over there: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132555&page=36[/quote]

WHATS YOUR KIND DOIN 'ROUND HERE
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Y'know, I bristle at this. Not because I disagree, and not because the competition has brought HDTV sets and HD/BR players dropped in price at an unexpected rate (and they aren't done yet), but because Paramount going HD is not "competition." In fact, IMO, it is the precise *opposite* of competition.

Now, you can point out that I support BR and disregard anything I have to say, and that's fine. If that's you, go ahead and skip on to the next post now.

*elevator music*

Alright, now that that's out of the way, the reason I say it is not competition is because Paramount's decision to go HD DVD exclusive was not dictated by the consumer. The decision was made by the HD DVD association (whatever their actual group name is). The consumers were saying "Blu-Ray all the way" via their choices, so, on by itself, being HD-exclusive is akin to saying "we want to make 67% less profit than the format-neutral groups, or 50% less (half of 67%) than BR-exclusive groups." The same argument can be made of BR-exclusive groups as well: "we want to make 33% less profit than format neutral groups." Just to be fair.

So, a massive financial incentive was given to Paramount. To paraphrase the now HD-exclusive Godfather :)lol:), it was an offer they couldn't refuse. Up front, $150 million is a hell of a lot more money than they would earn from 67% of the Hidef video market at this point. At $20 a movie, they'd have to sell 7.5 million discs to make that kind of cash (not counting all the costs of producing said 7.5m discs). 7.5 million discs? To put that in perspective, that's 2.5 times the number of *total* hidef discs (irrespective of format) sold thus far. Again, this offer to Paramount was something they'd be damned foolish to turn down.

In the end, though, I do bristle that this can be considered "competition," at least in the laissez-faire sense; it goes against the grain of the consumers dictating what the market looks like. The consumer had no say in this decision, simply put.

Full disclosure for those who don't follow the "format war" thread: I own a PS3, and am a de facto BR supporter. Feel free to reread my post and interpret as a braying fanatic BR fanboy if you so choose. After that, I encourage you to join the format war thread, as I'd like to continue the conversation over there: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132555&page=36[/QUOTE]

As of right now, that $150 Million offer is a rumor. It was mentioned, but not in any press releases.

As for 'consumer choice', is that what Sony did when it stuck Blu-Ray inside of it? I don't think so.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']WHATS YOUR KIND DOIN 'ROUND HERE[/QUOTE]

When did you become John Wayne? :lol:

[quote name='GizmoGC']As of right now, that $150 Million offer is a rumor. It was mentioned, but not in any press releases.

As for 'consumer choice', is that what Sony did when it stuck Blu-Ray inside of it? I don't think so.[/QUOTE]

I don't think Paramount was offered a round of milkshakes to go HD DVD exclusive. The same rumors that preceded this official announcement mentioned that amount ($50m for Paramount, $100m for Dreamworks). In the format war thread, you're more than happy to engage in conjecture about BR "payola," so let's not get so defensive when the shoe is on the other foot.

As for the PS3, that's a poor comparison. I do think, however, that, had the rumors of Microsoft buying out Capcom come to fruition, then it would have been the same kind of scenario. Imagine if Sony bought out, say, Rockstar, and how the gamer community would react (outrage, followed by a mass exodus to the PS3). That's more akin to what I'm getting at.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']
Neither format will win and Dual Players will be the norm in the coming months.[/QUOTE]
Bingo. There's really no use in whining about two formats. Just get a player that supports both formats, or use your PS3 and get an HD DVD add-on for your 360. Yeah, it kind of sucks having to deal with both, but we've all been doing it with video games for years. You'll survive.
 
[quote name='defiance_17']Bingo. There's really no use in whining about two formats. Just get a player that supports both formats, or use your PS3 and get an HD DVD add-on for your 360. Yeah, it kind of sucks having to deal with both, but we've all been doing it with video games for years. You'll survive.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I don't really care who wins eventually, it just sucks for now until I can afford a PS3.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']When did you become John Wayne? :lol:



I don't think Paramount was offered a round of milkshakes to go HD DVD exclusive. The same rumors that preceded this official announcement mentioned that amount ($50m for Paramount, $100m for Dreamworks). In the format war thread, you're more than happy to engage in conjecture about BR "payola," so let's not get so defensive when the shoe is on the other foot.

As for the PS3, that's a poor comparison. I do think, however, that, had the rumors of Microsoft buying out Capcom come to fruition, then it would have been the same kind of scenario. Imagine if Sony bought out, say, Rockstar, and how the gamer community would react (outrage, followed by a mass exodus to the PS3). That's more akin to what I'm getting at.[/QUOTE]

I imagine they bought them Rasberry Slurpees...but...

The $150mm payout is still a rumor. Amir over at AVS who works for MS made claim to this being a rumor and send Bill at TDB an e-mail telling him to remove it as there is no proof any patout was done.

Now, if there was...Way to go HD DVD. Good for them. The BDA already paid Blockbuster and Target some money to be exclusive in some way, and the HD group did the same thing. If the BDA is going to be dirty so should the HD Group.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Yeah, I don't really care who wins eventually, it just sucks for now until I can afford a PS3.[/QUOTE]
I can easily wait another year or two. There are only a couple of BD exclusives out now that I want (Pirates, Casino Royale), and my current TV doesn't even offer 1080p. I only have eight HD DVDs, and two of them were "free" (the Matrix Trilogy price mistake at CC). The point: There's very little out now worth the $25-$35 tags.
 
[quote name='defiance_17']I can easily wait another year or two. There are only a couple of BD exclusives out now that I want (Pirates, Casino Royale), and my current TV doesn't even offer 1080p. I only have eight HD DVDs, and two of them were "free" (the Matrix Trilogy price mistake at CC). The point: There's very little out now worth the $25-$35 tags.[/QUOTE]

Oh, agreed. I don't have an HDTV either...yet. Probably a graduation present next year. But that's at least two years worth of movies that I might rebuy at some point.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Which is why I put my response in that thread, genius.[/QUOTE]

Good. Now stay there. Feel free to start a Blu-Ray thread in the PS3 forum if you like. This thread is not for Pro-BR supporters.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Good. Now stay there. Feel free to start a Blu-Ray thread in the PS3 forum if you like. This thread is not for Pro-BR supporters.[/QUOTE]

When you become a mod, you can dictate where and when I post.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']When you become a mod, you can dictate where and when I post.[/QUOTE]

Ok, Ok. Gotcha. Let me go thread crap in the PS3 forum on some of their crappy news for that crappy system you actually bought to play games on :lol:

And...done. Thanks Myke, its been fun.
 
OH NO, ONE COMPANY POSSIBLY SPENT MONEY TO GAIN AN ADVANTAGE!

fuck, what will they think of next?!

Seriously, "the consumers were saying Blu-Ray all the way?" Based on an (approximate) 2:1 ratio less than one year into the "war?" The only thing the consumers have said so far is "this is only for the hardcore nerds." Since Blu-Ray sold more players and had a shit attach rate, HD DVD should just give up? Remind me never to employ you in a high-ranking, decision-making position when KaneRobot Industries takes over the world.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Y'know, I bristle at this. Not because I disagree, and not because the competition has brought HDTV sets and HD/BR players dropped in price at an unexpected rate (and they aren't done yet), but because Paramount going HD is not "competition." In fact, IMO, it is the precise *opposite* of competition.

Now, you can point out that I support BR and disregard anything I have to say, and that's fine. If that's you, go ahead and skip on to the next post now.

*elevator music*

Alright, now that that's out of the way, the reason I say it is not competition is because Paramount's decision to go HD DVD exclusive was not dictated by the consumer. The decision was made by the HD DVD association (whatever their actual group name is). The consumers were saying "Blu-Ray all the way" via their choices, so, on by itself, being HD-exclusive is akin to saying "we want to make 67% less profit than the format-neutral groups, or 50% less (half of 67%) than BR-exclusive groups." The same argument can be made of BR-exclusive groups as well: "we want to make 33% less profit than format neutral groups." Just to be fair.

So, a massive financial incentive was given to Paramount. To paraphrase the now HD-exclusive Godfather :)lol:), it was an offer they couldn't refuse. Up front, $150 million is a hell of a lot more money than they would earn from 67% of the Hidef video market at this point. At $20 a movie, they'd have to sell 7.5 million discs to make that kind of cash (not counting all the costs of producing said 7.5m discs). 7.5 million discs? To put that in perspective, that's 2.5 times the number of *total* hidef discs (irrespective of format) sold thus far. Again, this offer to Paramount was something they'd be damned foolish to turn down.

In the end, though, I do bristle that this can be considered "competition," at least in the laissez-faire sense; it goes against the grain of the consumers dictating what the market looks like. The consumer had no say in this decision, simply put.

Full disclosure for those who don't follow the "format war" thread: I own a PS3, and am a de facto BR supporter. Feel free to reread my post and interpret as a braying fanatic BR fanboy if you so choose. After that, I encourage you to join the format war thread, as I'd like to continue the conversation over there: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132555&page=36[/QUOTE]

I've never said anything about Paramount going exclusive being good for competition.

In fact, my competition comment had nothing to do with just about any of that except for the fact that Maynard thinks the fact that HD-DVD is still kicking is bad for the consumer.

I've posted all over the place that I would have rather of had a Blu exclusive studio go neutral then Paramount going exclusive.

I've posted all over that Paramount did this mainly for the money

[quote name='Sporadic at AVS about why Paramount jumped']Money.

They get cheaper manufacturing cost and a giant check from Toshiba? Why wouldn't they jump ship?[/QUOTE]

If you believe that just anything about this war has been "decided by the consumer", I would call you a goddamn fool.

The consumer did not pick for Fox or Disney or Universal or Paramount or any of the studios to go exclusive, bonuses and the almighty dollar did. The consumer did not vote for Blu-Ray to be added to the PS3 (fuck 40% of owners don't even know they have the damn thing), Sony's greed did.

Now don't get me wrong, I would love for the consumer to decide what's best without being slathered in propaganda or coercion (Project Hydra) but it's just not going to happen.

What we are seeing is multi-billion dollar companies (Sony specifically) having a pissing contest. Nobody's going to back down, nobody's going to play fair.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']
What we are seeing is multi-billion dollar companies (Sony specifically) having a pissing contest. Nobody's going to back down, nobody's going to play fair.[/QUOTE]

But said pissing contest is going to look fantastic in high definition.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']OH NO, ONE COMPANY POSSIBLY SPENT MONEY TO GAIN AN ADVANTAGE!

fuck, what will they think of next?!

Seriously, "the consumers were saying Blu-Ray all the way?" Based on an (approximate) 2:1 ratio less than one year into the "war?" The only thing the consumers have said so far is "this is only for the hardcore nerds." Since Blu-Ray sold more players and had a shit attach rate, HD DVD should just give up? Remind me never to employ you in a high-ranking, decision-making position when KaneRobot Industries takes over the world.[/QUOTE]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3262357&postcount=1793
 
Well I think this is great news. Becuase I can now watch Transformers in HD and it will only cost me an additional 180 bucks. Maybe even less by the time the movie comes out. I already own a 360 so the add on at this point seems like a good deal.

I knew after watching Transformers that I would buy what ever format had that movie. I loved it that much.

I'm also with the camp that belives the combo player will eventually win. So I hope this "war" drags on for a very long time. I'm sorry to the PS3 owners I have a feeling that they will have to sooner or later have to buy a combo player down the line. It looks like Sony's all in one box solution isn't going to happen when it comes to HD movies.
 
[quote name='FLSHADOW74']Here's the link to a better article over at Video Business.
http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6470298.html?nid=2705[/QUOTE]


Now only Warner Bros. is the only studio going dual format....

I hadn't noticed how the camps had solidified like that... mainly because most HD movies on my list are pretty short... (Blade Runner, the Alien movies... Raiders, and of course the poorly named "Star Wars Trilogy"... heh).

Platform agnosticism is no big deal for me, because I really didn't invest that much in HD DVD thanks to Microsoft's add-on, and the PS3 is still a game system more than a movie player...) So no matter who wins... I'm not going to sob over it. ;)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Alright, now that that's out of the way, the reason I say it is not competition is because Paramount's decision to go HD DVD exclusive was not dictated by the consumer. The decision was made by the HD DVD association (whatever their actual group name is). The consumers were saying "Blu-Ray all the way" via their choices, so, on by itself, being HD-exclusive is akin to saying "we want to make 67% less profit than the format-neutral groups, or 50% less (half of 67%) than BR-exclusive groups." The same argument can be made of BR-exclusive groups as well: "we want to make 33% less profit than format neutral groups." Just to be fair.[/quote]

Ok I had a hard time making it past that paragraph. Your first mistake was assuming that anything has been "fair" in this war.

If all studios were neutral, so consumers could indeed choose the best format, then you could bring up fair.

Unfortunately both sides have been buying exclusive deals with studios, stores and many other company's from the get go.

You say that the HD DVD association made the decision for Paramount to be exclusive? Are you serious? I don't even know where to begin.
First of all though, why is it ok for Sony and the BDA to do this kind of stuff but it's not ok if HD DVD does it? What's up with this huge double standard?

You know as well as I do that both sides have been doing this. Arguably BDA has done it far more. So why get so upset about the other side doing it?

BD gets beaten at their own favorite game and all their defenders come and cry foul. How quaint.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']

BD gets beaten at their own favorite game and all their defenders come and cry foul. How quaint.[/QUOTE]

Admittedly, the whining is atrocious (on both sides, as I've seen it), but saying that HD DVD is just now "fighting with gloves off" or, "beating BD at their own game" is overlooking the consortium in general (like BDA, made up of big studios who are no more loyal to HD than the Blu-ray studios, besides Sony, to their respective format.) There is no "white knight" in this fight (and I don't think you're implying that, but for those who might... let me explain...)

Paramount, as was said before, was originally an HD DVD only member when the formats were being hashed out at trade shows... then for whatever reason, they became dual format supporter for what, not quite a year? Now they're back where they started in this format war... It's really not a coup for HD DVD, as much as a PR win for the format... We'll see how much leg this gives to the format this holiday season, I suppose... I don't think Paramount's Blu-Ray offerings were altogether must-haves, but to each his own, I suppose. Not many movies in either format are true "must-haves" as of yet... since some of the bigger blockbusters of the past (of which there are 703039823 different DVD "editions") still remain off the HD roadmap... With Spielberg and Lucas sitting this round out, as far as I can tell.

Both sides have had the gloves off for quite some time... and we're only now seeing reporting of it more frequently since the formats (both of them) are taking off... albeit still wandering the realm of "early adopter" and "geek" formats. :)

It's still fun to watch, you gotta admit. :) And if you're not emotionally invested in either format, the dedication some people have as fans is entertaining to a fault. :)
 
My own opinion is that Paramount originally went neutral because of incentives given by the BDA. Most likely these incentives had to do with covering manufacture costs (as I truly believe Disney and possibly Fox have the same deal).

Something probably happened such as their incentive time ran out, and BDA was no longer offering their extended hand, so Paramount just simply reverted back to the cheaper format to develop for.

I honestly think it is mostly simple as that.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']My own opinion is that Paramount originally went neutral because of incentives given by the BDA. Most likely these incentives had to do with covering manufacture costs (as I truly believe Disney and possibly Fox have the same deal).

Something probably happened such as their incentive time ran out, and BDA was no longer offering their extended hand, so Paramount just simply reverted back to the cheaper format to develop for.

I honestly think it is mostly simple as that.[/QUOTE]

True, they all do... as part of the "group" they belong. It's how they subsidize the adoption, and spread among the group the amortized costs of getting up to snuff (so to speak) on the new format. Paramount and those under its umbrella simply hedged their bets early on, previous to that they announced an HD DVD only membership.. now they feel they can go back to their original agreement with the HD DVD group, most likely led by Toshiba's running the costs down for HD DVD players (thus far being the most prominent player.)

You're right... it's business. It's not necessarily Boy Scout style business, but then again, what is these days? :) At least it's not gotten as bad as payola. ;)
 
Just FYI, don't know if it was covered yet.....

NYT is reporting:

But money talks: Paramount and DreamWorks Animation together will receive about $150 million in financial incentives for their commitment to HD DVD, according to two Viacom executives with knowledge of the deal but who asked not to be identified.

They also say the deal is for 18 months of exclusivity.
 
Very nice of you to report that, given your previous incredulity, a few posts up, about that very idea being the case.

As for me "selecting" whom to chastise for their support, so far as I can tell, only two studio shifts happened in the past 9 months, since I became a BR owner: this deal, and Fox's stepping away from BR (which also just changed yesterday - oy vey). The remainder of those exclusivity deals happened outside of my interest or involvement, so I can't, simply put, speak to them.
 
I think what I'm afraid of the most is not spending 180.00 on a player. That's really no big deal. It's investing in the movies. I'm the same way with Blu-ray. I only have 3 movies which I've spent next to nothing on.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']I think what I'm afraid of the most is not spending 180.00 on a player. That's really no big deal. It's investing in the movies. I'm the same way with Blu-ray. I only have 3 movies which I've spent next to nothing on.[/quote]
You don't have to worry. In that respect, this isn't like Beta vs. VHS, where the formats are physically incompatible. Instead (from a physical standpoint) it's like DVD-A and SACD, where they're entirely compatible and just a different manner of reading data. Now, even though BOTH of those formats failed miserably (far worse than if both HiDef formats failed today), pretty much every DVD player over $80 can read both formats. If one side or the other wins, I guarantee you several companies will want your money when your player finally dies. By the time anything actually happens, the cost to integrate both standards instead of only one will be extremely small, so many companies will do it for the marketing advantage.

Any investment you make in movies (on either format) will not be wasted.
 
[quote name='terribledeli']Hot damn, that's fantastic.[/QUOTE]
Yes, Hayden turning 18 is fantastic.

I meant to say after $10 rebate
 
[quote name='seanr1221']Geko, I was thinking, for what you are saying to happen, wouldn't the two formats have to merge?[/quote]
No. The same laser can be used to read both discs simply by reaiming and refocusing the pickup head. Combo players are already available (the awful LG) and announced (the Samsung that should be pretty decent), and no matter what direction the war goes, combo players won't be going away. Just like combo DVD-A/SACD players are EVERYWHERE despite the fact that almost no one wants them. Basically every manufacturer except Sony--who of course only supports SACD--makes dual-format players for hi rez audio. The same will be true for HiDef video whether:

1) Blu-Ray wins
2) HD DVD wins
3) Both stick around
4) Both fail

And granted, combo players are expensive right now because they're bleeding edge, but none of those four things is going to fully flesh out in the next 12-18 months, so prices are going to come down drastically and a dual-format player will carry a modest premium over a single-format one. It'll be an added feature just like upscaling or divx playback is now.
 
[quote name='Mechafenris']Michael Bay's apparently none too pleased that Transformers won't be on Blu-Ray...

http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/michael-bay-responds-to-paramounts-abandonment-of-blu-ray-no-t/[/quote]
And he's so upset that his movies won't be on Blu-Ray that he's currently in production on a film for UNIVERSAL. Transformers was Bay's last part in a multi-film deal for Dreamworks, his relationship with which was reportedly souring. Yesterday's annoucement gave him the opportunity to make him look all hard like he's taking a stand for Blu-Ray and walking away from Dreamworks, even though he was going to do it anyway.
 
[quote name='geko29']And he's so upset that his movies won't be on Blu-Ray that he's currently in production on a film for UNIVERSAL. Transformers was Bay's last part in a multi-film deal for Dreamworks, his relationship with which was reportedly souring. Yesterday's annoucement gave him the opportunity to make him look all hard like he's taking a stand for Blu-Ray and walking away from Dreamworks, even though he was going to do it anyway.[/QUOTE]

Well he is making them quite a pile with Transformers... so this is most likely a negotiation tactic for whatever reason.

But regardless of how it's spun, a big director weighs in quite fast after the announcement is news.... In spite of how it may be perceived by the faithful.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']What a fucking diva...as long as Paramount has access to alll of the models and rights to TF, they can always find another director that can do as well as him, if not better.[/QUOTE]

He's like every other director, Scott, Spielberg, Dante... but the fact that he decided to publicly say something about it while the success of Transformers is still warm says this war's just starting.
 
Maybe if they release all his films exclusively on HD-DVD he'll stop making films completely.

I wonder if the same thing will work with Uwe Boll, Joel Schumacher and Paul Anderson :whistle2:s
 
I agree with Michael Bay. He probably gets backend money on DVD/BD/HD sales, so if Paramount is giving up possibly 66% of HD sales by getting rid of Blu-Ray, I would be a bit pissed also.

Dual support was NICE....give the consumer a choice between HD and BD.
 
[quote name='doubledown']I agree with Michael Bay. He probably gets backend money on DVD/BD/HD sales, so if Paramount is giving up possibly 66% of HD sales by getting rid of Blu-Ray, I would be a bit pissed also.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to DVD sales.

Let's be super nice and say that Transformers is going to sell on par with 300, they are going to miss out on 200,000 sales and still sell 100,000 copies. Well the grande sized check Paramount got should cover the 200,000 sales they missed out on plus just about everything else they sell because honastly the HD market isn't a cash cow yet.

DVD sales on the other hand are going to be in the millions.

For him to flip his shit over 200,000 copies (which he could have easily made up for by asking for a raise to do Transformers 2 or you know the box office/DVD sales of Transformers 2), he's going to walk away? What a retard.
 
[quote name='cleaver']Let's all celebrate the cheerleader turning 18 today by buying Heroes S1 HD DVD from fye.com for $53 + applicable tax shipped after rebate.
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Coupon code WELCOMECCTEN
Props to liquiddvds from slickdeals[/QUOTE]

Nice. I'm hoping at least it'll be $69.99 in-store next Tuesday.

Reason being, I traded in $52 worth of DVD's out my collection and put it all towards a pre-order of Heroes (HD-DVD)

The less I pay out of my pocket the better :)
 
[quote name='doubledown']I agree with Michael Bay. He probably gets backend money on DVD/BD/HD sales, so if Paramount is giving up possibly 66% of HD sales by getting rid of Blu-Ray, I would be a bit pissed also.

Dual support was NICE....give the consumer a choice between HD and BD.[/quote]

Ok, than if you want the consumer to have a choice, then Disney, Fox, Lionsgate...etc. should go dual as well ;)
 
[quote name='asianxcore']Nice. I'm hoping at least it'll be $69.99 in-store next Tuesday.

Reason being, I traded in $52 worth of DVD's out my collection and put it all towards a pre-order of Heroes (HD-DVD)

The less I pay out of my pocket the better :)[/QUOTE]
If you're talking about FYE I'm sure they will, but why not use the credit online and save 10% and the trip?
 
Alright, the first new movie has been announced by Paramount.

A Mighty Heart - October 16th

Paramount Home Entertainment has announced it will bring the Angelina Jolie drama 'A Mighty Heart' to HD DVD this October.

Starring Jolie as Marianne Pearl, the wife of slain journalist Daniel Pearl, 'A Mighty Heart' earned strong critical buzz and early Oscar talk, but ultimately fizzled at the summer box office, barely scraping up a $15 million domestic gross.

The studio's first newly-announced title following its switch to HD DVD exclusivity, Paramount will hope to rev up the Oscar buzz once again with a October 16 video release, day-and-date on standard-def DVD and HD DVD only.

Specs for the high-def version include 1080p video and uncompressed PCM 5.1 audio.

Extras -- all presented in full HD video -- include two featurettes, a public service announcement and the original theatrical trailer.

Retail will list for $39.98.

We've added full specs for 'A Mighty Heart' to our HD DVD Release Schedule, under October 16.
Click to expand...

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/news...ghty_Heart_to_Beat_on_HD_DVD_this_October/880

Pretty cool.
 
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