Heroes Volume 3: Villains

[quote name='Bezerker']
I'd make an argument about the comics being released after Isaac's death....[/QUOTE]

I've not seen why people have issue with that. I'd assume most comics are done several issues in advance, so it seems reasonable that he'd have a few more already at the publisher at the time of his death.

Unless I'm forgetting something about him having writer's block and being behind from Season 1....
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I've not seen why people have issue with that. I'd assume most comics are done several issues in advance, so it seems reasonable that he'd have a few more already at the publisher at the time of his death.

Unless I'm forgetting something about him having writer's block and being behind from Season 1....[/quote]

I don't have a problem with them having several issues of the comic made in advance, but to where it lines up with the current storyline, that I do have a problem. The timeline has been changed two or three times now. Didn't he originally draw the picture of Peter blowing up New York so that was suppose to happen. And than the incidents in Season 2 which changed and now all the stuff in the current Season. Even the African guy who basically had the same power drew paintings of the future and realised some of them changed and were no longer correct.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']Just how much time is supposed to have past between season 1 and 3?[/QUOTE]

I believe one year has passed.
 
So one year passes and they're still finding new issues of the comic? Either Hiro is way behind on his reading, or Mendez hid some of his stuff pretty well.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']Since everyone in the OTT are weeks behind apparently, i'll repost this here.

How is Arthur still alive without his powers? He had to steal Adam's just to get out of bed.[/quote]

That made me think of another plot hole.
Wouldn't the first eclipse have turned Adam into dust?
 
maybe less than a year since season 2 picks up 4 months after season 1, but still... to have isaac make at least 10 or more comics before his death?
 
I think the first generation (Adam, Arthur, Angela, Haitian, etc.) had their power way before the eclipse, because it can't explain how these people formed Primatech and got their hands on the formula unless they had their abilities. The eclipse itself manifests the power for the second generation (Nathan, Peter, Sylar, etc.).

This then raises the question: are there new people with powers now?
 
[quote name='Over easy']I think the first generation (Adam, Arthur, Angela, Haitian, etc.) had their power way before the eclipse, because it can't explain how these people formed Primatech and got their hands on the formula unless they had their abilities. The eclipse itself manifests the power for the second generation (Nathan, Peter, Sylar, etc.).

This then raises the question: are there new people with powers now?[/quote]
Well, of course they did. Adam was alive all the way back in Japan. Just saying that it seems like the eclipse turns off powers for those with them already - thus Adam would have been dust way before Arthur stole his powers.
 
The entire Eclipse thing just confused me. Arthur seemed to have no idea what it'd do, despite having been alive (and presumably with powers) and seeing numerous eclipses, including the one in the first episode. You'd think if the eclipse really had power, he would've seen it during any one of those.

The Isaac comics just feel shoe-horned in. Issue 14 was the one Hiro found when he first arrived in New York at the time of it's nuking. Issue 31 was the last one released, meaning Isaac had a lot done when he died. Isaac was originally cool with Sylar killing him because he "knew" how Sylar would be stopped, yet he obviously inked some more comics with Sylar in them. So, why was he so cool with it? And are we choosing to just ignore the comic Hiro took with him to the future that was supposedly the last issue?

Worth noting - Heroes wiki contains a lot of info regarding these comics - http://heroeswiki.com/9th_Wonders!
 
[quote name='Pookymeister']That made me think of another plot hole.
Wouldn't the first eclipse have turned Adam into dust?[/QUOTE]

I figure when Adam's power is turned off, he would start aging normally.

Edit: Never mind, I get what you mean now. Maybe there's a difference between having the powers 'deactivated' by the eclipse and having them removed altogether by Arthur.
 
[quote name='PR Mega X']I figure when Adam's power is turned off, he would start aging normally.

Edit: Never mind, I get what you mean now. Maybe there's a difference between having the powers 'deactivated' by the eclipse and having them removed altogether by Arthur.[/quote]

Technically there should have been no difference, the reason why he turned to dust is that his body was so old and his powers weren't holding him together, just like how Daphne's bones gave out. Its just another thing that proves you shouldn't try to put too much logic into this show.

To echo Thongsy, the issue isnt that he did extra comics before he died, its just that you have two other people who can see the future (three, if Sylar ever got Isaac's stolen power back), but none of them saw any of the events happening in the comics. The premise of having to sit and watch Matt, Hiro, and Ando chase down a fucking bicycle delivery boy in New York city (because there arent many of those), just make me groan even more.
 
This show is an 11/10 on the unintentional comedy scale. The writers have ZERO idea what they are doing and in a comic based universe there is nothing more important than continuity and there is absolutely none to speak of - at all.

We had to pause and rewind when Peter picked up the machine gun because we were laughing so hard - HE'S A NURSE!!!! :rofl:
 
Maybe Peter got his powers back, used the ability to read minds, and quickly learned how to use the gun from one of the other soldiers?

Or maybe Peter stopped time, traveled to the past, got trained in the army for years, and then came back to the present time to learn how to use a gun?
 
[quote name='javeryh']This show is an 11/10 on the unintentional comedy scale. The writers have ZERO idea what they are doing and in a comic based universe there is nothing more important than continuity and there is absolutely none to speak of - at all.

We had to pause and rewind when Peter picked up the machine gun because we were laughing so hard - HE'S A NURSE!!!! :rofl:[/QUOTE]

I just assumed as Rambo's son he would know how to use a machine gun ;)
 
I just watched it on Netflix. The only thing I liked about the episode was the whole Haitian versus his brother foreshadowing Nathan versus Peter. Haitian palming dude's heads for some mind destroying was badass too. I almost forgot he can fuck with people's heads/memories with all the excitement usually surrounding his anti-power Haitian Radiation thing.
 
[quote name='Thongsy']I don't have a problem with them having several issues of the comic made in advance, but to where it lines up with the current storyline, that I do have a problem. The timeline has been changed two or three times now. Didn't he originally draw the picture of Peter blowing up New York so that was suppose to happen. And than the incidents in Season 2 which changed and now all the stuff in the current Season. Even the African guy who basically had the same power drew paintings of the future and realised some of them changed and were no longer correct.[/QUOTE]

That's a fair point.

Guess the power just gives them glimpses of possible futures--i.e. they seem multiple timelines and what they see isn't 100% destined to occur.

But you're right that such logic would make it difficult for the comics to match up with the current plot. I hadn't thought of that as I stopped trying to pay to much attention to the plot in Heroes in the middle of season 1, and especially in season 2 on with all the time travel stuff. Just too many loop holes with that for the plot to ever make 100% logical sense.
 
I watched a couple streams online and clicked ahead when I got annoyed by the writing and acting.

I like how HRG watched Elle and Sylar sex it up before he tried to snipe them. I always wondered what snipers did to pass the time.

Why didn't anyone make an attempt to kill Arthur when they realized their powers were gone? It makes me think no one assumed the solar eclipse was just temporary, and that's a bit irritating. I would have gathered people and gone to try to kill Arthur.

Seth Green's little bit of acting was better than everything Hayden Pandabear's ever done on the show. Well, other than be hot. She does that well.

And Parkman comes off as incredibly creepy, possessive, and overbearing. I have no idea how Daphne's dad didn't see Porkman in his rear-view mirror. Daphne's story, minus Porkman's interference, was probably the most interesting out of the last two episodes. Probably because it was short and to the point.
 
[quote name='CouRageouS']The only thing I liked about the episode was the whole Haitian versus his brother foreshadowing Nathan versus Peter.[/QUOTE]

I don't think that's anywhere near subtle enough to classify as foreshadowing.
 
[quote name='DustBoogie']Whoa.

Of all the episodes this season to be able to watch live, I think I picked a good one.[/QUOTE]

Seriously -- that was a fantastic episode :) Although I'm still not entirely sure what the deal is with the 'light', overall I was very pleased.
 
Yeah, that was an outstanding episode, probably the best of the year.

Glad the Hiro as a 10 year old story line is over, and Sylar is back to his old self.

Moved the plot forward a good bit. Sucks there's only one more episode (which will surely have a cliffhanger) before the winter hiatus.
 
What really pisses me off about this show is that the writers can not even keep things together correctly in one episode. Arthur doesn't have the caytalist(SP?) and Clair does. Then in the past he ends up getting it from Hiro and his powers. Yet it had to be him from the past because in the future he doesnt have them because he tries to take them from hero. Yet if he gets Hiros power from the past then he should have his power in the future. Also trying to track down Clair is pointless because she does not have the caytalist he has it because he took it from Hiro in the past.
 
I guess at some point people forget you have to have some fun and use your fucking imagination when it comes to entertainment.
 
[quote name='sendme']What really pisses me off about this show is that the writers can not even keep things together correctly in one episode. Arthur doesn't have the caytalist(SP?) and Clair does. Then in the past he ends up getting it from Hiro and his powers. Yet it had to be him from the past because in the future he doesnt have them because he tries to take them from hero. Yet if he gets Hiros power from the past then he should have his power in the future. Also trying to track down Clair is pointless because she does not have the caytalist he has it because he took it from Hiro in the past.[/quote]

It was never explicitly said that claire had the catalyst. That was mostly speculation on claire's behalf. I'm willing to believe that by going back in time, the timeline wasn't altered in any way. It also doesn't have to be past-Arthur who grabbed the Catalyst...since Arthur demonstrated Teleporting before (when killing African Isaac), it's possible when he stole Peter's power he got Hiro's as a bonus. He just wanted to steal Hiro's power so Hiro wouldn't have it - not because he wanted it.
 
[quote name='infinitepez']..., it's possible when he stole Peter's power he got Hiro's as a bonus. He just wanted to steal Hiro's power so Hiro wouldn't have it - not because he wanted it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I aways assumed he had every power Peter had at that time. Remember peter was trying to use the blue fire (or was it lightning on him) when he took his powers and then Arthur showed that he had his power.

Future Arthur, with the time travel power he had from Peter (via Hiro) went back and got the catalyst. Seemed pretty clear to me.
 
[quote name='infinitepez']It was never explicitly said that claire had the catalyst. That was mostly speculation on claire's behalf. I'm willing to believe that by going back in time, the timeline wasn't altered in any way. It also doesn't have to be past-Arthur who grabbed the Catalyst...since Arthur demonstrated Teleporting before (when killing African Isaac), it's possible when he stole Peter's power he got Hiro's as a bonus. He just wanted to steal Hiro's power so Hiro wouldn't have it - not because he wanted it.[/QUOTE]

Thats it. I forgot about all that. He did get it from Peter and didn't he show that he had all of Peters powers after he took them? So if he had the Catalyst all the time why was he after clair?
 
[quote name='sendme']Thats it. I forgot about all that. He did get it from Peter and didn't he show that he had all of Peters powers after he took them? So if he had the Catalyst all the time why was he after clair?[/QUOTE]

Man you sure forgot a lot of stuff. Yes he showed he had Peter's power, hell he has been using the teleporting and telekinesis like crazy. Arthur has only had the catalyst for 5 minutes, he just went back in time to where Hiro was, took it from him and went right back to the present day.
 
Man, Arthur died in a crappy way... Then again if Peter or Haitian McCool did kill him, it would've been lamer.
That was weird how the Haitian had to use his will power just to control Dallas. I thought the mind crushing thing required some energy, but nullification?! Dang!
 
Does anyone think it's possible that...

...even though Arthur is not Sylar's father, Angela actually is his mother? The only question that was answered with a lie, as we know thanks to Sylar's new power, was "are you my father?" Maybe he's going to find Angela next to ask her if she's his mother.
 
[quote name='detectiveconan16']Man, Arthur died in a crappy way... Then again if Peter or Haitian McCool did kill him, it would've been lamer.
That was weird how the Haitian had to use his will power just to control Dallas. I thought the mind crushing thing required some energy, but nullification?! Dang![/QUOTE]

Arthur has Adam's/Peter's healing/immortality so apparently he isn't permanently dead unless they decapitate him.
 
[quote name='detectiveconan16']Man, Arthur died in a crappy way... Then again if Peter or Haitian McCool did kill him, it would've been lamer.[/QUOTE]
No no its Haitian LeCool, he speaks French.

I only caught the end so I'm confused about why all these crazy things happened during the last 15 minutes. I did see Hiro being a cartoon (flagpoll, really?) and the handmade bullet time. I like that theory above that maybe Sylar is going after Angela to see if she's his mother. Maybe he's some test tube super baby.
 
Im still trying to figure out why at the end of Eclipse 1, Sylar and Elle are about to kiss (kissing?) and Bennett plans to shoot them. But then at the start of Eclipse 2, Sylar and Elle appear to have had intimate relations while Bennett still hasnt shot them. What did he do, watch them get it on?

But someone addressed that. And I forget, does the Haitian's power not work on Sylar or was the Haitian working on Father Petrelli so he couldnt stop Sylar as well.
 
[quote name='ananag112']How did 10 year old Hiro become regular Hiro again? I missed that part.

And this was definitely the best episode of the season.[/quote]
He confronted his mothers, which is a healer.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, that was an outstanding episode, probably the best of the year.

Glad the Hiro as a 10 year old story line is over, and Sylar is back to his old self.

Moved the plot forward a good bit. Sucks there's only one more episode (which will surely have a cliffhanger) before the winter hiatus.[/quote]

I have to concur.

Emo Sylar sucked hard. I'm glad he is back to being a badass. I'm sure Noah helped him find the way by kicking his ass twice.

Did anybody check out Noah's wife? That makeup did a good job of taking off almost 20 years.
 
[quote name='Stryffe2004']Arthur has Adam's/Peter's healing/immortality so apparently he isn't permanently dead unless they decapitate him.[/QUOTE]

Yep, I'd assume he'd come back to life if the bullet is removed. Unless the Haitian stopping his powers at the time of "death" keeps him from coming back. But that wouldn't make sense as Sylar died during the eclipse with out powers and still healed when the eclipse was over and his powers returned.
 
[quote name='Arakias']Im still trying to figure out why at the end of Eclipse 1, Sylar and Elle are about to kiss (kissing?) and Bennett plans to shoot them. But then at the start of Eclipse 2, Sylar and Elle appear to have had intimate relations while Bennett still hasnt shot them. What did he do, watch them get it on?

But someone addressed that. And I forget, does the Haitian's power not work on Sylar or was the Haitian working on Father Petrelli so he couldnt stop Sylar as well.[/QUOTE]

Haitian was using all his power to hold Arthur's back. So he couldn't do anything when Sylar came in.

The Haitian should have stayed hidden as long as possible. There was no need to show himself.

Mild spoiler for next week
Sylar is going after Primatech, which means Angela.
 
so.. how did the haitian and peter get back to america so fast?

and how useless was that whole eclipse, where essentially nothing happened?

Well, it's good to know everyone's back to normal-- err, except Peter and Hiro. Do we really expect Ando to have a superpower now?... I don't know what the cliffhanger is, but it will probably suck.
 
Didn't Peter get his power back though after Arthur died? I thought I saw the light go into him.

Also, Ando will now join the army thing to get his powers? That seems to be the direction this is heading.

Also, maybe we will see the badass Hiro with the sword? Maybe Hiro will learn how to use the sword a lot better in the past and come back to the future and be all ninja like.
 
I think we should soon seen Kaito's power now that Hiro is trapped in the past.

And please, no Ando with powers. Just keep him regular.
 
[quote name='Arakias']Im still trying to figure out why at the end of Eclipse 1, Sylar and Elle are about to kiss (kissing?) and Bennett plans to shoot them. But then at the start of Eclipse 2, Sylar and Elle appear to have had intimate relations while Bennett still hasnt shot them. What did he do, watch them get it on?[/quote]

Bennet's gotta be a super company man, which means he doesn't get enough free time. Which means he doesn't have enough time to watch pr0n. Ah working for Primatech sure is hard.
 
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