Hurricane Katrina

We just got a ton of rain and some wind.. funny though, it's been windy and rainy all day.. just stepped outside and i've never seen a clearer sky.
 
Someone on another forum proposed a wonderful solution to the whole New Orleans crisis. They turn it into a gigantic tourist attraction. Rebuild at the new sea-level a venice-type place, and let tourists explore the bottom in subs or scuba-gear or something.
 
[quote name='Mouse']Someone on another forum proposed a wonderful solution to the whole New Orleans crisis. They turn it into a gigantic tourist attraction. Rebuild at the new sea-level a venice-type place, and let tourists explore the bottom in subs or scuba-gear or something.[/QUOTE]

That'd be a great recovery idea, but wouldn't it be better to prioritize on the necessities like food,shelter,clothing and water. I'd rather spend more space in the airplanes full of food and the req. to keep ppl alive and healthy. I understand the kind intentions but ppl first :D.
 
[quote name='Mouse']Someone on another forum proposed a wonderful solution to the whole New Orleans crisis. They turn it into a gigantic tourist attraction. Rebuild at the new sea-level a venice-type place, and let tourists explore the bottom in subs or scuba-gear or something.[/QUOTE]


Yeah theat would be great. Let people from all over the world go scuba diving in New Orleans. they can swim by corpses, pet wonderful snakes, and wrestle crocodiles. :roll:
 
[quote name='adrianchan56']That'd be a great recovery idea, but wouldn't it be better to prioritize on the necessities like food,shelter,clothing and water. I'd rather spend more space in the airplanes full of food and the req. to keep ppl alive and healthy. I understand the kind intentions but ppl first :D.[/QUOTE]


they should only save the who wanted to leave but couldnt, if people want to commit suicide we should let them.

And no i am not a asshole i was smart enough to get out.
 
I don't know if any one of guys have seen the movie The Day After. It is a movie dealing with nuclear holocaust and what happens when the infrastructure breaks down after all the destruction. Other than the radiation, a lot of the unrest in New Orleans is the same. Looting, gunfire, people huddled in a sports arena....this is totally unreal.
 
[quote name='Mouse']Someone on another forum proposed a wonderful solution to the whole New Orleans crisis. They turn it into a gigantic tourist attraction. Rebuild at the new sea-level a venice-type place, and let tourists explore the bottom in subs or scuba-gear or something.[/QUOTE]

Too bad the water is quickly becoming a pool of toxic waste...
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050831/ap_on_re_us/katrina_how_big

Devastating as Katrina was, it would have been far worse but for a puff of dry air that came out of the Midwest, weakening the hurricane just before it reached land and pushing it slightly to the east.

The gust transformed a Category 5 monster into a less-threatening Category 4 storm, and pushed Katrina off its Big Easy-bound trajectory, sparing New Orleans a direct hit — though not horrendous harm.

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New Orleans got very lucky by the slight shift at the end (being hit by the west side of a storm is much "better" than being hit by the east, its a shame the Mississippi coast hasnt got the news footage that New Orleans has, they are leveled (with the strange exception of the Beau Rivage casino, which amazingly lost ONE window, incredible), it was very hard to watch footage of destroyed areas which have grown dear to me in memories, experiences, families, friends, etc... my wife and I were actually planning a day trip to Biloxi this past saturday, before we found out about this... we only live 45 minutes from Biloxi... as for my home, I lost a good bit of the privacy fence surrounding my pool, tons of tree limbs, a couple small trees downed, some roof damage, as well as the typical power outtage (had a power tease last night as it came on for about 3 hours, lost it, had it return for a little while then lose it again...) One of the longest days Ive had to live through, but I was out there monday night picking up some debris, I had to, there was so much
My thoughts go out to all those affected by this, with the exception of those who found an excuse to loot (non food) items from local businesses, that part disgusted me
 
[quote name='Mouse']Someone on another forum proposed a wonderful solution to the whole New Orleans crisis. They turn it into a gigantic tourist attraction. Rebuild at the new sea-level a venice-type place, and let tourists explore the bottom in subs or scuba-gear or something.[/QUOTE]

Not as good of an idea as it seems. For starters, Venice itself was actually sinking throughout the mid-late 1900's. They've begun stopping it recently though. Also, Venice has more than it's fair share of flooding, floods threaten the city about every time high tide comes in. Usually it's nothing more than a dozen cm or so and flods some streets and such, but I could only guess what would happen if a 20 ft storm surge occured.
 
I am watching sheperd smith on the fox news channel (I'm pretty bored) and I saw some people being rescued. It sucks how the levees broke after everyone assumed NO was gonna be spared. They just showed a bunch of people just wandering aim-lessly on a highway in 90 degree heat. Of course everyone there was too poor to get out in the first place. They have been there for the last two days without food and water. I can only hope they can get these people some help.
 
They are telling people in NO to...

1. Don't go in the water.
2. Don't leave your house.
3. Go to the Super Dome.

How are you supposed to go to the Super Dome when the city is flooded and they don't want anyone to leave their homes?

They are going to try to bus everyone out of the city to Houston, because no one will be able to go back to their homes for months.
 
[quote name='zman73']New Orleans got very lucky by the slight shift at the end (being hit by the west side of a storm is much "better" than being hit by the east, its a shame the Mississippi coast hasnt got the news footage that New Orleans has, they are leveled (with the strange exception of the Beau Rivage casino, which amazingly lost ONE window, incredible), it was very hard to watch footage of destroyed areas which have grown dear to me in memories, experiences, families, friends, etc... my wife and I were actually planning a day trip to Biloxi this past saturday, before we found out about this... we only live 45 minutes from Biloxi... as for my home, I lost a good bit of the privacy fence surrounding my pool, tons of tree limbs, a couple small trees downed, some roof damage, as well as the typical power outtage (had a power tease last night as it came on for about 3 hours, lost it, had it return for a little while then lose it again...) One of the longest days Ive had to live through, but I was out there monday night picking up some debris, I had to, there was so much
My thoughts go out to all those affected by this, with the exception of those who found an excuse to loot (non food) items from local businesses, that part disgusted me[/QUOTE]

The problem is new orleans really isnt even that bad compared to alot of other parts of the area. The place where my family is from is completely destroyed. St Bernard Parish Completly Destroyed, both are 100% covered in water and not water like new orleans real water meaning 15-20 feet deep. Grand Isle Is basicly missing and probley wont be inhabitable ever thanks to land erosion.
 
Someone probably posted this, but I didn't see it:

'Thousands dead' in New Orleans

Hurricane Katrina is thought to have killed hundreds, probably thousands of people in New Orleans, the city's mayor, Ray Nagin, has said.
Mr Nagin said there were significant numbers of corpses in the waters of the flood-stricken city, while many more people may be dead in their homes.

There would be a total evacuation of the city, he said, warning it could be months before residents could return.

Army engineers are still trying to plug breached flood defences with sandbags.

Meanwhile US President George W Bush has arrived in Washington to take charge of the recovery effort, cutting short a holiday in Texas.

With conditions still deteriorating, the government has declared a public health emergency along the whole of the Gulf coast, to speed up the delivery of food, water and fuel to the region.


Map of central New Orleans
Speaking in Washington, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said 1,700 truckloads of essential supplies were on their way there.

Medical shelters are being set up offering 10,000 beds, while the US military is providing dozens of rescue helicopters and boats.

The Pentagon has ordered 10,000 extra national guardsmen to Louisiana and Mississippi.

Disease problem

Mayor Nagin said he had no choice but to remove the 50,000 to 100,000 people left in the city when the hurricane struck.

"We have to. The city will not be functional for two to three months," he said.

He said dead bodies in the water would soon create a serious disease problem.

Survivors could be taken out at a rate of up to 15,000 a day.

Counting the dead remains a secondary priority until they are rescued, officials say.

Mr Bush flew low over the affected states to survey the damage, on his way to Washington from his ranch in Crawford, Texas.

"It's totally wiped out," spokesman Scott McClellan quoted him as saying.

"It's devastating. It's got to be doubly devastating on the ground."

In Mississippi, officials have warned the death toll is likely to climb above the current 110.

Harrison County bore the brunt of Hurricane Katrina as it slammed into Biloxi and Gulfport before heading inland.

Rising water

New Orleans has been plagued by looting, floods and increasingly desperate people, two days after the hurricane.

About a million people evacuated from the area before the hurricane struck, but tens of thousands of others are trapped in the city.

The authorities are planning to evacuate up to 20,000 people from the city's Superdome stadium where sanitary conditions are said to be appalling.

Four people believed to be elderly or infirm died there overnight, according to reports.

Surges of flood water have submerged more areas of the city after failed attempts to plug breaches in the barriers which are supposed to protect it.

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The pumps which usually assist are no longer working because of the rising levels.

The BBC's Alastair Leithead in New Orleans says there is panic as vital supplies run out. Heavily armed police have been trying to impose a form of martial law to stem looting.

While some looters are stealing non-essential goods, others are simply trying to find food and water.

Survivors are being found all the time.

In Mississippi, two children who lost their parents were taken to safety. In New Orleans, people are still being winched from roofs.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4201480.stm
 
[quote name='opportunity777']I want to know why someone would try to tough out the hurricane, and not evacuate the city.[/QUOTE]

Some people couldn't afford to leave, there's many reasons other than stubborness.
 
[quote name='opportunity777']I want to know why someone would try to tough out the hurricane, and not evacuate the city.[/QUOTE]


Because they are stupid

He asked about why woul they tough it out not why people stayed.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/hurricanes_and_tropical_storms

Mayor: Katrina May Have Killed Thousands


AP - 38 minutes ago
NEW ORLEANS - Hurricane Katrina probably killed thousands of people in New Orleans, the mayor said Wednesday — an estimate that, if accurate, would make the storm the nation's deadliest natural disaster since at least the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. "We know there is a significant number of dead bodies in the water," and other people dead in attics, Mayor Ray Nagin said. Asked how many, he said: "Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands."
 
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050901/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina

NEW ORLEANS - With thousands feared dead and the city's remaining residents told to evacuate for weeks, conditions deteriorated further in submerged New Orleans as looting spiraled out of control.

Mayor Ray Nagin ordered virtually the entire police force to abandon search-and-rescue efforts and stop thieves who were becoming increasingly hostile.

"They are starting to get closer to heavily populated areas — hotels, hospitals, and we're going to stop it right now," Nagin said Wednesday.

Tempers also were starting to flare. Police said a man in Hattiesburg, Miss., fatally shot his sister in the head over a bag of ice. Dozens of carjackings were reported, including a nursing home bus and a truck carrying medical supplies for a hospital. Some police officers said they had been shot at.

More....
 
Hope you and your families are safe and doing well. I would hope that more coverage is shown of all areas and not just of New Orleans.

This morning a reporter in Mississippi showed what was left of a church. He picked up a collection box and pointed out that it had been pried open. It's amazing the limits people go to in this world. Even heard that gunmen held up a truck delivering food and medicine to a hospital. Bad enough in dealing with the destruction, but having to deal with people like this is crazy.
 
[quote name='Dogpatch']Bad enough in dealing with the destruction, but having to deal with people like this is crazy.[/QUOTE]

The worst of times will always bring out the worst in people. Without law and order, society decays into a cesspool of chaos. I'd hate to imagine what would happen on the East Coast if everyone were suddenly left to fend for themselves. :cry:
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_Storm

Small parts of the article...

Oil Storm was a docudrama portraying a future oil-shortage crisis in the United States. It originally aired on FX Networks on June 5, 2005, at 8 PM EST. The program was an attempt to depict what would happen if the highly oil-dependent country was suddenly faced with gasoline costing upwards of $7 and 8 per gallon (as opposed to the national average of around $2 per gallon when the show first aired)......

The movie deals with the impact that a fictional Category 4 (not a Category 5, the highest actual category) hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico would have if it hit New Orleans, destroyed large numbers of offshore oil rigs in the Gulf, and crippled the primary nerve center of the Gulf Coast petroleum industry at Port Fourchon, Louisiana. It shows how the effects of that disaster could reasonably ripple throughout the United States, even in areas far removed from landfall.....

On August 29th, 2005, at 7 AM CDT, it was reported on CNN that Hurricane Katrina directly hit Port Fourchon, another fictional event in the movie come true in real life......

More interesting info...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_of_hurricane_risk_for_New_Orleans
 
[quote name='MaxBiaggi2']The worst of times will always bring out the worst in people. Without law and order, society decays into a cesspool of chaos. I'd hate to imagine what would happen on the East Coast if everyone were suddenly left to fend for themselves. :cry:[/QUOTE]

Reminds me of Thomas Hobb's theory on government and society.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_Storm

Small parts of the article...

Oil Storm was a docudrama portraying a future oil-shortage crisis in the United States. It originally aired on FX Networks on June 5, 2005, at 8 PM EST. The program was an attempt to depict what would happen if the highly oil-dependent country was suddenly faced with gasoline costing upwards of $7 and 8 per gallon (as opposed to the national average of around $2 per gallon when the show first aired)......

The movie deals with the impact that a fictional Category 4 (not a Category 5, the highest actual category) hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico would have if it hit New Orleans, destroyed large numbers of offshore oil rigs in the Gulf, and crippled the primary nerve center of the Gulf Coast petroleum industry at Port Fourchon, Louisiana. It shows how the effects of that disaster could reasonably ripple throughout the United States, even in areas far removed from landfall.....

On August 29th, 2005, at 7 AM CDT, it was reported on CNN that Hurricane Katrina directly hit Port Fourchon, another fictional event in the movie come true in real life......

More interesting info...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_of_hurricane_risk_for_New_Orleans[/QUOTE]
Alright, the coincidence factor of that being on months before it happened is about a million on the werid shit-o-meter. :shock:
 
Just heard on CNN, they're out of resources at the convention center and the buses that were supposed to get people out of new orleans won't be sufficient. That's from the mayor who's saying "this is a desperate s.o.s". They're allowing people to march out of new orleans.

Congress is also supposed to come into session to pass 10 billion dollars for the disaster.
 
[quote name='shrike4242']Alright, the coincidence factor of that being on months before it happened is about a million on the werid shit-o-meter. :shock:[/QUOTE]

That's what I thought.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']
Congress is also supposed to come into session to pass 10 billion dollars for the disaster.[/QUOTE]

Just read about that, and supposedly it's going to take several years to repair all the damage.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Why is the government so inept that, days after the fact, they still can't even airlift food into the area? Something is better than nothing.[/QUOTE]

The scope of this is beyond anything that anyone has seen. Even if they air lift food, they will probably come under sniper fire. People want out more than anything.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']The scope of this is beyond anything that anyone has seen. Even if they air lift food, they will probably come under sniper fire. People want out more than anything.[/QUOTE]

But there are certain areas, like the dome where many people took shelter, that they could have sent food to. And they have been able to land without sniper shots in many cases. They are sending national guard in, if they can land them they should be able to land food.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']But there are certain areas, like the dome where many people took shelter, that they could have sent food to. And they have been able to land without sniper shots in many cases. They are sending national guard in, if they can land them they should be able to land food.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but food to feed 25,000+ people for several days? That is a massive undertaking. I understand even a little food helps but they still have to deal with the stink, lawlessness, and disease.
 
4:15 P.M. - (AP): Police say storm victims are being raped and beaten inside the New Orleans Convention Center.

About 15,200 people who had taken shelter at the convention center to await buses grew increasingly hostile.

Police Chief Eddie Compass says he sent in 88 officers to quell the situation at the building, but they were quickly beaten back by an angry mob.

Compass says, "We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten."

He says tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon.

In hopes of defusing the unrest at the convention center, Mayor Ray Nagin gave the refugees permission to march across a bridge to the city's unflooded west bank for whatever relief they can find. But the bedlam appeared to make leaving difficult.
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http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html
 
Wasn't sure whether to post this in the looting thread or in here, but this is a bit disturbing. Study these and tell me what's wrong:

blackloot.jpg

whitefind.jpg
 
[quote name='Leavinhope']This is also sickening.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9160710[/QUOTE]
God, I haven't been paying attention much to the hurricane, but that sounds awful. I don't understand why the rest of states aren't sending a bunch of National Guard or food/water. It makes no sense.
 
[quote name='zewone']God, I haven't been paying attention much to the hurricane, but that sounds awful. I don't understand why the rest of states aren't sending a bunch of National Guard or food/water. It makes no sense.[/QUOTE]
Not to sound cynical...but its probably because it's happening in the US. Anytime they talk about helping the poor, its sending money to some other country. We send millions to countries that get in trouble. But when something happens here, it doesn't affect foreign relations, so there's no incentive.
 
[quote name='zewone']God, I haven't been paying attention much to the hurricane, but that sounds awful. I don't understand why the rest of states aren't sending a bunch of National Guard or food/water. It makes no sense.[/QUOTE]

The governor said they're getting 12,000 with assurances of 40,000 and more if needed. Even with the war, why it took so long is another thing.
 
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