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[quote name='pimpster4183']ok.. just a couple thoughts, what was up with the camera angle from the hard cam?
and Danielson is really really small compared to WWE guys.[/QUOTE]


I liked the hard cam. I guess WWE figured it would give NXT an 'indy feel', which it --did-- feel like. :)

And yep, even compared to Jericho, who's actually around 5'10", Danielson looked small. Perhaps he'll get one-inch pad inserts in his boots? Kinda like how Raven (I think it's Raven) has one boot that has an extra inch-or-so due to one leg being longer than the other or injury or something.
 
I loved Jericho and Danielson. Perfect debut by him. Lost of course, but he looked like a pile of golden eggs. I liked Otunga a lot too, despite having a 5 second match with a muppet and a botched spinebuster.

Wade Barrett was cool, too. He made me chuckle a couple times.

That suicide dive counter into the announce table was sick and the crowd was eating that match up!
 
I worry about Tarver - they had no idea what to do with Elijah Burke, and this guy is very similar in look/gimmick - just replace 4-up with 1.9.

Otunga is definitely the most WWE-esque looking and talking though.
 
[quote name='JJSP']So...which one of the new guys to this thread is really Zen? : )[/QUOTE]

Wow great question, I miss the horse avatar.

I missed NXT...but it seems like a hit with you guys so i guess i can expect a great show.
 
[quote name='diddy310']I was thinking Michael Rappaport at the beginning of Higher Learning.[/QUOTE]

Never saw it. 45 minutes of any John Singleton movie is more than enough for a lifetime, IMO.

Enjoyed Danielson and Jericho for what it was. I like the tension they're building b/w Danielson and Miz, and that they're not trying to lie to us about his background.

I don't like Cole as a commentator, but him being a naysaying asshole makes him more tolerable - at least now I have a reason to hate him other than him being awful at his job.

That dude with CM Punk doesn't deserve a shot at life, let alone wrestling. Hands down one of the worst looks I've ever seen in my life - possibly worse than Art Barr as WCW's "Juicer."
 
Yeah, Diddmeister and BoSox, I agree: Otunga has 'the look'. I wonder where they'll place him down the road. :whistle2:k

And regarding Tarver: They should rehire that 'Ken Doane' guy from the Spirit Squad who turned into a boxer (during the period when I turned away from pro wrestling) and pair him up with Tarver. Then WWE should steal Consequences Creed and form a faction: 'Rocky Roads'.

... :oops:

And I originally-thought that 'New Jersey party boy' guy had an 'African Prince' gimmick. Damn, that's frightening.
 
I get the feeling Darren Young (Punk's guy) is being set up of a nice angle. Have him job mercilessly the first few weeks. Eventually Punk will tell him that the only way that he'll have a chance in the WWE is to join the Straight Edge Alliance. One shaved head later and we have someone decent.
 
Just thinking... is the "south beach party boy" supposed to be a dig on Orlando Jordan? He had that same haircut at one point as well.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']And less of a tan. Dude seriously looks like he's in blackface.[/QUOTE]

I guess I wasn't the only one that thought that.
 
What an awesome show - it wasn't quite as different-looking as I was hoping, but I did love the new camera angles they used for some stuff. Like the diagonal-ish one for the dive and a shot of the CODE OF HONOR spot by Danielson at the beginning of his match. I still can't get over how Danielson not only debuted against Jericho on WWE TV, but also the World Heavyweight Champion AND got in a hope spot against him. It wasn't the perfect match - some of the execution was off, beyond that dive which really played into the story well, and that in-match cutaway was just TNA-riffic. If you're gonna do that shit, then do a split screen - cutting away to have Striker interview Evil Sal Sincere 2010 (who is awesome on FCW commentary) took away from the match and didn't add anything to Wade Barrett. The Liontamer at the end was perfect and made Danielson seem tougher as that version of the move is almost never used, looks far deadlier, and is far less embarrassing to be beaten by then the regular Boston Crab.

This show just flew by - no filler stuff, and I adored the "in-depth" promos that actually established the characters in a minute or so - just like the quickies they show before UFC fights. Otunga's was easily the best one for establishing a personality, but unfortunately, nothing but his immediate look really shined outside of that vignette. He's not quite WWE TV-ready in the ring, which is fine for this show. Just stick him in tags for a while and have him look all cocky. Tarver's vignette was the best one as far as setting up a guy's offense...and then not really doing anything to showcase it during his match. However, using Christian on both this show and Raw is something I can get behind - have him do his weekly long-ish match here, and give him a solid mid-card role on Raw. That's a pretty good spot for him, and he winds up really teaching guys stuff during these matches, he's got a WWE job for life as a trainer.

I loved the Josh-Cole dynamic. Josh came off as knowledgeable, which he wasn't able to do on ECW, while Cole was just Michael Cole, which was perfect as Josh laid into him for knowing nothing and just towing the line. These two have way better chemistry than I expected. I'd love it if they just kept Cole on this show and had J.R. replace him on Raw when/if he's able to. Punk having no Earthly idea why he was on this show was great too. I'm gonna love him on this, and can't wait to see them do more with him here, or anything with Regal and the cowboy.

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Quotes -
Miz - Daniel Bryan, I am the Unified Tag Team and US Champion - I am one of the WWE Pros, and my rookie is Daniel Bryan. He has been a star on the minor leagues - people say that you’re ready for WWE. You think you’re ready?
Bryan - Yes, I do.
Miz - You have to expect everything - I want you to go to the ring and show charisma and give people a reason to watch you every Tuesday night. You can even come out to my music.
Bryan - I don’t think so.
Miz - What the WWE Universe doesn’t know is that Daniel Bryan’s personality is as dry as the Mohave Devert.
Bryan - Thanks guys - that’s a tremendous reception especially considering that my WWE Pro is the Miz. To all my fans, I want to say two words - I’M SORRY. Seriously, I wish my pro was Regal, but hey, you get what you get. Miz just told me to intorduce myself - my name is Daniel Bryan, I’ve been wrestling for 10 years and FINALLY I have an opportunity here in the WWE.
Miz - I can tell this is gonna be a lot of fun - I have my work cut out for me as your pro. I’M SORRY!? That’s the charisma?!
Bryan - You better watch what you say, or I’ll submit you right now!
Miz - That’s cute - you may be a submission machine, BUT WHERE’S YOUR CHARISMA? HOW ARE YOU GONNA BECOME A STAR?
Bryan - I thought I’d get on a reality TV show, act like an idiot, and get a faux-hawk! Oh wait, that’s been done before - by you!
Miz - That’s fine - TRY A CATCHPHRASE, LIKE I’M THE MIZ AND I’M AWESOME!
Bryan - Lemme see if I can rack my brain for something as cool as I’M AWESOME! If we were to step in the ring and fight, you have two options - you either TAP OR SNAP! HOW’S THAT WWE UNIVERSE!?
Miz - You think he showed personality? Charisma? Do you think he deserves to be in the same ring as me?! Well, I don’t. You failed!
Bryan - Miz, there will be a time that I‘m gonna slap you back!
Striker - You just got slapped - isn’t that embarrassing?!
Bryan - I don’t consider it embarrassing when I get slapped in the face - I SLAP A LOT HARDER THAN YOU DO!
Punk - I have no idea why I’m on this show and I don’t know who Darren Young. I’ve mentored Luke and Serena, so if he wants to be mentored by me, he’d better be ready to accept straight edge into his life.
Otunga - I’m fasta, stronga! I’ve been to the White House twice! I went to Harvard Law School! I’ve got the charisma of the Rock, the cerebral skills of HHH, and the power of John Cena! I don’t care about what the WWE Universe thinks, because I’m better than them! If you don’t know me, YOU SHOULD!
Cole - You were on a competition like this once.
Josh - Yeah, but I’ve never competed in front of the WWE Universe!
Cole - This is a WrestleMania-like show for the NXT Rookies!
Josh - You’re still being mentored - I read about it on Twitter.
Jericho - I don’t want HER to introduce me - I want you to give me the intro I deserve right now.
Wade - Ladies and Gentlemen, I’m Europe’s number 1 bare-knuckle fighter, and it is an absolute honor to be paired with a man like Chris Jericho! I don’t care where you’ve been - THIS MAN HAS BEEN THERE FIRST AND HE’S WON IT!
Jericho - I just want you to introduce me!
Wade - Have it your way - ladies and gentlemen, YOUR WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION, MR CHRIS JERICHO!
Cole - THE NXT ROOKIES HAVE BEEN FEISTY WITH THE WWE PROS!
Josh - WWE’s Pros have heard of Daniel Bryan - a lot of people have.
Cole - I haven’t.
Josh - You haven’t heard of a lot of stuff.
Cole - Bryan has to show RESPECT to the WWE Pros!
Josh - You’re the announcing version of the Miz.
Josh - BRYAN HAS BEEN A STAR ALL OVER THE WORLD!
Cole - SO BECAUSE HE’S WRESTLED IN A HIGH SCHOOL GYM IN FRONT OF PEOPLE HE‘S BEEN AROUND THE WORLD!? YOU’RE JUST LIKE ALL THOSE BLOGGERS WHO READ THE DIRTSHEETS!
 
Oh man this is the first time I have been excited to check out anything wwe has produced in well ever! Are the full episodes coming to hulu for sure?
 
I'm with Chronis on Young. Punk should play completely uninterested in helping him until he helps himself by pledging himself to the SES. I'm okay with Young playing the Lodi to Punk's Raven here.
 
That's about the only way dude is salvageable. And I think even that is a long shot.

EDIT: A few websites are reporting that Danielson was "injured" during his match w/ Jericho. FFS. It looked like it hurt like god*damn* anything, and he could have bruised/cracked a rib - but come the fuck on, these jackoffs are diagnosing him from their tvs.
 
You know Jay we appreciate these "show is great" reviews... but can you in the future keep any buttocks shots to being strictly Divas/Knockouts only. Thanks.
 
I only watched the Bryan Danielson parts but from what I watched, I hated it. NXT is some type of half shoot, half work and it doesn't work. You have certain people (including The Miz) saying that Danielson is one of the best and that he's been working around the world for 10 years and then you have Cole and everybody else calling him a rookie every 5 seconds and saying that he has no personality. What is the point of that? Are you trying to get him over or not?

If he went toe to toe with Jericho and he is a rookie with no personality, doesn't that only hurt Jericho instead of giving Danielson the rub?

Also if that Benoit-esque suicide dive was planned, that was one of the dumber spots I've seen in awhile. There is no safe way to do that and he's lucky he didn't break a rib or two.

PS - Daniel Bryan is the stupidest name ever. A million times worse than Desmond Wolfe.
 
It sounds like I'll have to try and watch NXT for at least a while. The new ECW was pretty promising for the first few weeks too.

That video of London and Danielson is a riot.
 
Smackdown MITB spoilers

Dolph Ziggler over Truth and Morrison to qualify.

Kane over McIntyre to qualify .

Shelton Benjamin over CM Punk to qualify. Mysterio gave Shelton the win.
 
I actually saw that Cena/Daniels (I keep calling him Daniels... so i'm just gonna call Daniels Curryman) match earlier today, since it's under the related videos for the 10 Moves of Danielson vid. A pretty good showing for a jobber versus guy on a roll match on a D Show. Anyway, I know they won't do it, but I think it would even build his character more if they mentioned that he did wrestle Cena years ago. Give no specifics or anything, but just let it out. It would only add to his credibility of being around for years and being a decent wrestler, but it would still keep that rookie feel to him, since he spent all the time since then in the indy feds, while Cena has become the biggest star in the biggest wrestling company.
 
[quote name='lords of pain']Posted in: WWE
WWE plays up Michael Cole's anti-Internet character following NXT
By Brian Cantor
Feb 24, 2010 - 12:08:28 AM

Those tuned into Tuesday's premiere of WWE NXT, notably the main-event segment, undoubtedly noticed that WWE built the commentary between a "mark vs. smark" dynamic between announcers Michael Cole and Josh Matthews.

While Matthews played ally to the "Internet fans," touting ISniel Bryan's worldwide and domestic independent experience, Michael Cole repeatedly dismissed Bryan's history of performing at "high schools" as irrelevant. He N aligned with The Miz's character when it came to demanding Bryan show respect for the WWE Pros and added that he had never really heard anything about the wrestler prior to the debut of NXT.


Some fans reacted with outrage, feeling as if Cole's comments represented a deliberate disrespect for diehard wrestling fans and what talent like Daniel Bryan have accomplished outside of the WWE ring. But it was obvious to most, however, that Cole was simply playing a character to further get the NXT dynamic over with the broader audience.

In case anyone still doubted whether Cole was simply playing a role, the WWE Universe Twitter posted the following Tuesday night: "Michael Cole has requested his @WWEUniverse profile be removed from our site, not wanting to associate with "online fans" any longer."[/quote]

Though I like that they're actually acknowledging the IWC and their support of Danielson, I can't help but think they're going to alienate a big number of fans that are tuning in. Maybe they're hoping we'll all shit on NXT, spread the word about how they're trashing us on TV, and that we'll "rally the troops" and tune in. Cole reminds me a lot of how Lawler was when he was shitting all over ECW years ago, which I guess works since it paints Matthews as the face commentator who went through Tough Enough himself. I just don't think Cole needs any help getting heat from the IWC.
 
NXT- Where to begin... I was so hyped for this show. I thought it was an excellent concept. But wow, what piss-poor execution. The most entertaining guy on the show, Tarver, lost. David Otunga's video package was very good, but then we saw him botch his finisher in a shitty squash match. Michael Cole was horrible, and I usually... don't mind him.

Then, we saw Jericho vs. Danielson only get 6 minutes... It was a subpar match with the only good parts being the table spot and old school Liontamer. And, after touting Danielson as a "submission master", he tapped like a bitch (immediately) to a hold that no one ever taps to, and Jericho never even worked his back aside from the table spot. I usually love every WWE show, but that was easily the worst wrestling show I've seen in months. Bring back ECW.
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']Tap or Snap. I like it. That'd look good on a t-shirt, and it beats the shit out of "I'm gonna knock your brains in".[/QUOTE]


It was already on an Angle shirt.
 
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[quote name='JJSP']Though I like that they're actually acknowledging the IWC and their support of Danielson, I can't help but think they're going to alienate a big number of fans that are tuning in. Maybe they're hoping we'll all shit on NXT, spread the word about how they're trashing us on TV, and that we'll "rally the troops" and tune in. Cole reminds me a lot of how Lawler was when he was shitting all over ECW years ago, which I guess works since it paints Matthews as the face commentator who went through Tough Enough himself. I just don't think Cole needs any help getting heat from the IWC.[/QUOTE]

Ehh...if 'online fans' lack the backbone to be the butt of the joke of a *heel*, and would actually stop watching a program as a result, they're even bigger marks than I ever could have possibly pegged them for.

He's taking the piss of you - good, it's his job.
 
I don't get the outrage... the IWC has bemoaned the lack of face/heel commetary teams for years, yet are pissed off when it's brought back?

If anything, Cole is a bit too milquetoast for it. Problem is, you need a 'company' guy for the spot, and Cole's really the only one they have.

For what it's worth, I enjoyed both NXT and the commentary dynamic. I'm curious as to the long-term viabilty of it, but it should be pretty good for at least a bit.
 
I thought Danielson had some really corny lines last night on the mic. I mean, it is wrestling, so a certain amount of corn is expected. But he brought at least two bushels. I'll cut him some slack since it was his first time on a real wrestling show.
 
[quote name='007']I don't get the outrage... the IWC has bemoaned the lack of face/heel commetary teams for years, yet are pissed off when it's brought back?[/QUOTE]

I think there's something more to it than that, though. Who are heel commentators supposed to heel; the in-ring product (the wrestlers) or the viewers? I'm a grown-up, so I can totally take it in stride if Michael Cole is digging at me (I'm an "internet fan" insomuch as I know a lot about the gossip-y goings on - e.g., I know Kaz played Suicide and know who Danielson is going into NXT, so I guess that satisfies that). I know it's a product, I know what suspension of disbelief is.

But Cole seemed to conflate mocking Danielson with mocking the viewership, and I can somewhat see how it would turn people off. Yes, that's quite silly - if they're heeling fans, they need to give them the payoff in the future, either in a big victory for Danielson (whether winning NXT or something else that's given a story arc and isn't, say, a spontaneous match with Sheamus where he gets a rollup pin).

I seem to recall Jake Roberts - no, it wasn't him, I'm confusing this for what he said in "Beyond the Mat" about identifying one fan and just working them with your eyes (strangely, he makes it sound more sensible and less perverted). Whoever it was, it was a dude who was a heel in his career mostly. They said that when you work the crowd you can't isolate individuals, you have to paint them all with a broad brush (e.g., Miz's easy swipe at the Indy crowd on Monday by digging at the Colts' Super Bowl loss). But if you single out a fan, the rest of the crowd is less interested, and that fan, depending on what a jerk you are, won't come back the next time you're in town.

Rick Rude did that well. He would lambast the crowd at large ("Cincinnati Sweathogs"), and never to my knowledge singled out individuals ("hey, you - yeah, you, fatty arbuckle, take a look at what a real man looks like!"). And it worked for him. So when you heel a crowd there has to be enough substance for people to get pissed off about it, but not feel slighted as an individual. Think about Chris Rock's bit from a few years back when he was talking about the sexual content of r&b songs (awwwww skeet skeet skeet skeet motherfucker!) and how people at clubs would dance to it, distanced from the subject matter (he ain't talkin' bout me!). Same idea.

So Cole needs to be careful. I think he doesn't need to draw attention to the internet fans itself. They live vicariously through Punk's success, through Danielson's entree to WWE, through Colt Cabana's brutal misuse, etc. If he plays the role of heel announcer, he'll be effective enough panning the people doing the work in the ring. And that, as an announcer, is what he ought to be doing in the first place.

I'm not sure how I could reconcile his Raw and NXT personae thought. Play-by-play to heel just doesn't work with me. Seems contrived.
 
[quote name='Halo05']It sounds like I'll have to try and watch NXT for at least a while. The new ECW was pretty promising for the first few weeks too[/QUOTE]

Huh? ECW was terrible when it first started back up.
 
Then there's whatever he and King were trying to do during the Kane/McIntyre match. Seemed like they were trying to put down Striker's observation of McIntyre's strategy, as a knock against Striker. It came off as them shitting on McIntyre for the entire match.
 
After watching NXT, I was very impressed with the show except one aspect, Daniel Bryan. With having so much experience in the business you would think that he wouldn't botch his moves as much and at least be able to work the mic. Nope.

It's sad that he uses a Kurt Angle catch phrase and sucks at selling moves. I don't know how many time I saw him take a hard hit from Jericho only to have a straight face on. I had high hopes for Danielson in the E, but it looks like he should have gone elsewhere. It looks like they dropped the ball and picked the wrong athlete. Desmond Wolfe (Nigel McGuiness) is by far superior to Danielson in every aspect.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Huh? ECW was terrible when it first started back up.[/QUOTE]

At least guys from ECW were around. Sabu, RVD, and the like. Once it turned into a WWE training ground, I lost interest.
 
How come nobody has mentioned team Christian Slater?

And Wade Barrett looks like Don Flamenco
 
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Here's the legendary 20/20 expose of pro wrestling -
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The sad part about that was that it was even confirmed that Vince TOLD Schultz to slap Stossel, saying "He's prying too much. Teach him a lesson" after Hogan caught onto Stossel after he showed Hogan a razor blade and asked him about the blade jobs.

Schultz followed orders and was fired because he only did what the boss said and Vince turned on him.
 
[quote name='007']I don't get the outrage... the IWC has bemoaned the lack of face/heel commetary teams for years, yet are pissed off when it's brought back?
[/QUOTE]

It's one thing to be a heel commentator, it's another thing to bury the wrestler and piss on part of the crowd in some type of weird half shoot.

The best heel commentators knew this. They would always be on the side of the bad guy and wave away any wrongdoings but they would also begrudgingly acknowledge the opponents' skill. They were over the top in their criticism. Jerry Lawler could blur that line because he was also an active wrestler but Michael Cole?

The whole thing was just done poorly and could have been a whole lot better if they were more careful with their vocabulary.
 
Michael Cole is, and always has been, a shitty commentator. If he can't do anything else right, why would any of you expect him to do a good job playing the heel?
 
The problem is that Cole is playing the role of "company man." It's very confusing for the person playing the role to be both the heel and the representative of the company they work for. Unless the point is to make the company the heel. Cole is speaking for WWE, not himself. Heenan never did that, nor did Ventura or the other greats I'm forgetting (Lawler prior to the Attitude era).

See Angela Braly, CEO of Wellpoint, testifying before Congress today. Same kind of thing - is WWE trying to say *they* are the heel here? That's what's confusing.
 
Along with his burial of Danielson, Cole's bullshit was made worse by the fact that he's always blindly supported the babyfaces. It doesn't matter what they've done in the past; if a guy was currently a face, Cole would slurp him. Then, last night, he completely shit all over the face while praising the heel.
 
All I gotta type is this.

The best wrestlers don't force their character upon you. The best wrestlers allow their character to grow upon you to the point where you're excited to boo/cheer...not expect to boo/cheer

This Daniels guy....I don't care to see him again. EVER. My interest is so far gone that it's hilarious.
 
[quote name='strongpimphand']The best wrestlers don't force their character upon you.[/QUOTE]
That's why I hated the face Rock, the WHAT!? Stone Cold and D-X.

I can't imagine that this is the case with American Dragon...
 
[quote name='strongpimphand']This Daniels guy....I don't care to see him again. EVER. My interest is so far gone that it's hilarious.[/QUOTE]

taste is taste and you're certainly entitled to that - but allow me to pry and ask why this is the case?

(granted, I feel the same way about that Al Jolson lookin' motherfucker that CM Punk is saddlebagged with.)
 
Gotta admit, I'm really surprised about all of the Danielson hate. I thought he came off pretty good last night. Sure, he was a little sloppy on the mic, but I'm sure he'll get better. Ring-wise, I thought he looked great. To each his own, I guess.
 
I can't believe you guys care so much about how a dude looks. I guess if he isn't a gashead then he has no place in wrestling.

The only time I ever care about looks is when it distracts from the product. A good example of this would be Test's nipples.
 
daniels look sooo nervous yesternight. he was smiling too much and looked like he was heading for a high school gym (go michael cole! - bad guy michael cole is so much cooler than boring raw michael cole) and ended up in a arena instead.
 
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