JESUS is Overrated

[quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='btw1217']He did supernatural acts such as healing, defying laws of gravity, creating something of out nothing, and foretelling the future among other things. No one else has been able to do that. [/quote]

:roll:

I've got this bridge I can sell you...[/quote]

Ah yes, but he didn't need a bridge. :)

Oh, and how much for it shipped? Mint complete? J/k. :wink: This is all in good taste, I'm not trying to attack you or anything. That's where Christianity went wrong. Around the crusades... Zealots reaking havoc.
 
[quote name='btw1217']... David Blaine is just a magician, there goes defying gravity...[/quote]
You just offended our Blainist CAG's! :evil:
 
[quote name='btw1217'][quote name='Dr Mario Kart']its not often so directly stated, but ive occasionally had it said to my face. non-believers go to hell.[/quote]

That's why Christianity is shunned as much as it is. No one wants to hear that. It's definately not the way to go about talking to someone about your religion. Those are the radical Christians and should not reflect Christianity and Christians as a whole.[/quote]

I dont hold it against them though. If I really believed that such a terrible fate existed, I would sure want to save my fellows from said fate.
 
[quote name='btw1217'][quote name='Dr Mario Kart']its not often so directly stated, but ive occasionally had it said to my face. non-believers go to hell.[/quote]

That's why Christianity is shunned as much as it is. No one wants to hear that. It's definately not the way to go about talking to someone about your religion. Those are the radical Christians and should not reflect Christianity and Christians as a whole.[/quote]


That principle should be applied to everything. Both extremes usually suck, find someone with a brain and use them as a benchmark.
 
The two things you never want to argue about come up so frequently on this board...

Well.. In my view, it's non sense. Jesus is like the Santa for adults. Santa brings kids toys and joys, Jesus brings the aged and dying peace and comfort.

I know this has been touched upon, but since I'm sharing my views, I'll talk about it too. Throughout its history, humanity has used gods to account for the unexplainable. Every culture had a god of sunshine, or rain or every other phenomena their tiny minds couldn't comprehend. As the ages passed we found out that light originates from a burning mass of helium and hydrogen. Rain comes from that massive inferno heating lakes and oceans making water accend to the atmosphere and then cool and percipitate to the ground. However, no matter how hard humanity looks, they can't find an answer for the begining or the end. Since its a well known fact people fear the unknown, they kept those God and Jesus fellas around to keep the ignorant masses content and in check.

It's just so hard to take religion seriously when most of what they have fought so fervorently for has changed. Jesus black? Women as equals? The world round? OUTER SPACE?! One look at the Crusades, Inquisition, and Witch Trials should show you religion is just a tool of those seeking power. I really liked the "you don't agree with us, so to 'save your soul' (read- shut you up) we'll just kill you" attitude.
We found out God isn't sitting on a cloud. This planet isn't the center of the universe, infact, we're in the ass-end, backwater part of our solar system. The planet is round and circles around the sun, not vice versa and flat. The ideals they would kill people for disbelieving have not withstood the test of time... I'm just wondering when the rest will give way.

Yet another point brought up was the fact that most religions are propogated by force. If you sit a young child down and tell them something, they, for the most part, will believe you. If they ever question the teachings they get beaten. This is fact, my mom went to a Catholic school where they would beat you just for the hell of it. She once asked how Caine came back with a wife if Adam and Eve were the only people made... the nun removed her dress and underwear and spanked her with a ruler infront of the whole class... In the name of a loving god? No thanks...

Finally, I just want to clear up a few grammatical issues that really bother me. When you say a god, don't capitalize it. God is his name, but if you reference more than one or not a specific one, its gods/a god. (Like naming your puppy Dog vs. having many dogs.)
Him and He are pronouns, damnit, and should be used as such. Do not capitalize him or he, unless God's name is His and Jesus is really named He. IIRC the real name of God is Jehova... says so in the Bible... I think.

Besides... if there really was a god, Ule Bol wouldn't be making movies.
 
[quote name='rallen']God, Country, and Corps... That's my beliefs in three words.

For all those non-beleivers, I pose a question. How did we get here? Was it an accident that this planet was created and life was put on it? Ok, too 'out there'?

Think about your games. Some divine power must have imbited the Earth with enough raw materials so that we all can have an HD TV, Xbox with Halo in it. Pretty amazing, huh? Think off all the raw materials it takes to make one of those.

Just 200 years ago, people would have given a Kingdom to travel instantly in the world or have today consoles. Now we can take a jet anywhere we want, or switch on the power to our machine and be transposted in a different way.

All are God's love.[/quote]

God, Country, Corps.

That put a smile on my face. Thanks!

EDIT: Just re-read that, and it sounded like I was making fun. I actually smiled because of something my grandfather said to me once. I wasn't making fun.
 
[quote name='rallen']God, Country, and Corps... That's my beliefs in three words.

For all those non-beleivers, I pose a question. How did we get here? Was it an accident that this planet was created and life was put on it? Ok, too 'out there'?

Think about your games. Some divine power must have imbited the Earth with enough raw materials so that we all can have an HD TV, Xbox with Halo in it. Pretty amazing, huh? Think off all the raw materials it takes to make one of those.

Just 200 years ago, people would have given a Kingdom to travel instantly in the world or have today consoles. Now we can take a jet anywhere we want, or switch on the power to our machine and be transported in a different way.

All are God's love.[/quote]

I think you're confusing "god's love" with human ingenuity.
 
There is a lot of hate and vague generalisations in this thread. I hope some of the people here who really harbor a grudge against Christianity and/or religion in general will learn how to disagree with something without hating it. I think the general attitude here stems from the fact that most of you are probably young. Hey, I am too, being only twenty myself. Still, youth is not an excuse for ignorance and hate. Another problem might be that your parents forced Religion down your throats when you were young without explaining why they believe what they believe and giving you a chance to form your own opinions. I hope everyone here finds the peace they are looking for.

P.S.

I am an inquirer of Eastern Orthodox Christianity. Feel free to flame me based on my faith in the Lord Jesus. I will consider it a kindness and as fragrant oil upon my head. Take care.
 
[quote name='Javil'][quote name='btw1217']... David Blaine is just a magician, there goes defying gravity...[/quote]
You just offended our Blainist CAG's! :evil:[/quote]

lol, doh! #-o
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='rallen']God, Country, and Corps... That's my beliefs in three words.

For all those non-beleivers, I pose a question. How did we get here? Was it an accident that this planet was created and life was put on it? Ok, too 'out there'?

Think about your games. Some divine power must have imbited the Earth with enough raw materials so that we all can have an HD TV, Xbox with Halo in it. Pretty amazing, huh? Think off all the raw materials it takes to make one of those.

Just 200 years ago, people would have given a Kingdom to travel instantly in the world or have today consoles. Now we can take a jet anywhere we want, or switch on the power to our machine and be transported in a different way.

All are God's love.[/quote]

I think you're confusing "god's love" with human ingenuity.[/quote]

But if you were to believe God created man, wouldn't He be responsible for our ingenuity?
 
[quote name='Kayden']The two things you never want to argue about come up so frequently on this board...

Well.. In my view, it's non sense. Jesus is like the Santa for adults. Santa brings kids toys and joys, Jesus brings the aged and dying peace and comfort.

I know this has been touched upon, but since I'm sharing my views, I'll talk about it too. Throughout its history, humanity has used gods to account for the unexplainable. Every culture had a god of sunshine, or rain or every other phenomena their tiny minds couldn't comprehend. As the ages passed we found out that light originates from a burning mass of helium and hydrogen. Rain comes from that massive inferno heating lakes and oceans making water accend to the atmosphere and then cool and percipitate to the ground. However, no matter how hard humanity looks, they can't find an answer for the begining or the end. Since its a well known fact people fear the unknown, they kept those God and Jesus fellas around to keep the ignorant masses content and in check.

It's just so hard to take religion seriously when most of what they have fought so fervorently for has changed. Jesus black? Women as equals? The world round? OUTER SPACE?! One look at the Crusades, Inquisition, and Witch Trials should show you religion is just a tool of those seeking power. I really liked the "you don't agree with us, so to 'save your soul' (read- shut you up) we'll just kill you" attitude.
We found out God isn't sitting on a cloud. This planet isn't the center of the universe, infact, we're in the ass-end, backwater part of our solar system. The planet is round and circles around the sun, not vice versa and flat. The ideals they would kill people for disbelieving have not withstood the test of time... I'm just wondering when the rest will give way.

Yet another point brought up was the fact that most religions are propogated by force. If you sit a young child down and tell them something, they, for the most part, will believe you. If they ever question the teachings they get beaten. This is fact, my mom went to a Catholic school where they would beat you just for the hell of it. She once asked how Caine came back with a wife if Adam and Eve were the only people made... the nun removed her dress and underwear and spanked her with a ruler infront of the whole class... In the name of a loving god? No thanks...

Finally, I just want to clear up a few grammatical issues that really bother me. When you say a god, don't capitalize it. God is his name, but if you reference more than one or not a specific one, its gods/a god. (Like naming your puppy Dog vs. having many dogs.)
Him and He are pronouns, damnit, and should be used as such. Do not capitalize him or he, unless God's name is His and Jesus is really named He. IIRC the real name of God is Jehova... says so in the Bible... I think.

Besides... if there really was a god, Ule Bol wouldn't be making movies.[/quote]

:notworth:
 
[quote name='Kayden']IIRC the real name of God is Jehova... says so in the Bible... I think.
[/quote]

In the Hebrew Old Testament the consonants יהוה (YHWH). Scholars aren't sure what vowels go there or if this is even real spelling because the Jewish people believed even saying the real name of "God" would cause them to die.
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']

I think you're confusing "god's love" with human ingenuity.[/quote]

We coudn't have conceived these things without:

a) The raw materials
b) Divine inspiration

Without God we wouldn't be here, or have the things we do. We should all be very thankful.
 
[quote name='fanskad'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='rallen']God, Country, and Corps... That's my beliefs in three words.

For all those non-beleivers, I pose a question. How did we get here? Was it an accident that this planet was created and life was put on it? Ok, too 'out there'?

Think about your games. Some divine power must have imbited the Earth with enough raw materials so that we all can have an HD TV, Xbox with Halo in it. Pretty amazing, huh? Think off all the raw materials it takes to make one of those.

Just 200 years ago, people would have given a Kingdom to travel instantly in the world or have today consoles. Now we can take a jet anywhere we want, or switch on the power to our machine and be transported in a different way.

All are God's love.[/quote]

I think you're confusing "god's love" with human ingenuity.[/quote]

But if you were to believe God created man, wouldn't He be responsible for our ingenuity?[/quote]

No. Even if I did believe that, it's only the starting point, not what brought us to where we are today.
 
[quote name='jah_warrior28'][quote name='Kayden']IIRC the real name of God is Jehova... says so in the Bible... I think.
[/quote]

In the Hebrew Old Testament the consonants יהוה (YHWH). Scholars aren't sure what vowels go there or if this is even real spelling because the Jewish people believed even saying the real name of "God" would cause them to die.[/quote]

You learn something new everyday, isn't CAG amazing!!?!
 
[quote name='Kayden']
Him and He are pronouns, damnit, and should be used as such. Do not capitalize him or he, unless God's name is His and Jesus is really named He. IIRC the real name of God is Jehova... says so in the Bible... I think.

Besides... if there really was a god, Ule Bol wouldn't be making movies.[/quote]

Well, "Him" and "He" are capatalized in the Bible when being used as pronouns for "God" or "Jesus", so that's why they're capatalized everywhere else in religious discussions. Also yeah, Jehova, Yahweh, and a few others.

And as for the Ule Bol comment, that's a hard belief to fight. :)
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']
I think you're confusing "god's love" with human ingenuity.[/quote]

I love the way you think. I dont love every THING you think, but I love how well you express why you came to your conclusions. Id really like to buy you a beer, or a porn star, whichever youd prefer.

P.S And the fact your taste in women in top notch only makes me love you more. You ARE my ambasador of quan. :p
 
[quote name='supadupacheap'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']
I think you're confusing "god's love" with human ingenuity.[/quote]

I love the way you think. I dont love every THING you think, but I love how well you express why you came to your conclusions. Id really like to buy you a beer, or a porn star, whichever youd prefer.

P.S And the fact your taste in women in top notch only makes me love you more. You ARE my ambasador of quan. :p[/quote]

Eh, thanks?
 
[quote name='someone']stuff[/quote]

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It was kinda strange to come home from Lenten services tonight to this thread, but oh well. Everyone makes their own choice, many here just need to shake the dust off of themselves and move on.
 
[quote name='evilmax17'] But the good intentions get mashed together with things like "I will be resurected" and "He walked on water". [/quote]


I read somewhere once that the original hebrew texts could have been mistranslated. They originally said he walked NEAR the water... why someone would find that impressive... I don't know.
 
I thought somebody would've taken this on, but here goes:

You can't. I want you to prove to me that electrons exist. That matter is fundamentally made up of atoms. Prove the quantum foam. you have faith in those, right?
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I personally can't, but others have. We have things called electron microscopes that can see atoms. We can manipulate atoms and change them. We can see them. I "have faith" in scientific principles because they are proven, and even though I couldn't prove them, there are people that are alive who can. And not because they "have faith" in them, because they work.

Christianity WAS a cult. That was the whole point, Jews and Romans both tried to stamp it out. It was a movement that grew from one man.
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So was Nazism.

I'm seeing the correlation between modern cults and early christianity, except in modern cults you voluntarity ostracize yourself, in christianity, you enter the community to do good works.
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The early Christians "voluntary ostracized" themselves, probably moreso than today's cults. I'm sure that in their minds, they do good work also.

The other things are in there to prove the validity of the messages. I dont know about the walking on water thing, or the creating food from loaves of bread and fish, I just don't know. Believe or not the miracles as you will. Isn't the message what's important?
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Yup, it's a good message. Be good to people. But why do we have to attribute this stuff to religion? Why can't we do it with our own power, and not credit it to something else? And really, if you want to disregard the "facts" that your religion subscribes to, then what other legs does it have to stand on? "The religion for being a good person." I mean yeah, that's a cool thing, but it further shows that we wouldn't need a religion (or division) for that. We should all just be good dudes.
 
[quote name='redgopher']Go Satan!*








*In the event of the Apocalyse, I'm just kidding.[/quote]


LOL, That is so funny. Sounds like it should be a quote on Family Guy.
 
[quote name='btw1217'][quote name='Kayden']
Him and He are pronouns, damnit, and should be used as such. Do not capitalize him or he, unless God's name is His and Jesus is really named He. IIRC the real name of God is Jehova... says so in the Bible... I think.

Besides... if there really was a god, Ule Bol wouldn't be making movies.[/quote]

Well, "Him" and "He" are capatalized in the Bible when being used as pronouns for "God" or "Jesus", so that's why they're capatalized everywhere else in religious discussions. Also yeah, Jehova, Yahweh, and a few others.

And as for the Ule Bol comment, that's a hard belief to fight. :)[/quote]

Yahweh... Where have I come across that name? It was in some game... and I thought that was kinda an odd name... :whistle2:k
 
Why do people love the idea of "us against the world"? It seems like any excuse someone can find to pigeonhole themselves into a group or sect, they do it. Faith should be between you and whatever god,allah,diety you believe in. It shouldnt be deeper or more pure if 1 person believes the same thing or a million. Of course, this only holds true if you believe (as most people claim) that faith is an individual thing.
 
Dr. MK, your random pic commentary is great. I'm reading this thread in class, and I almost laughed out loud at the "OH SNAP" bear falling out of the tree. :lol:
 
[quote name='rallen']God, Country, and Corps... That's my beliefs in three words.

For all those non-beleivers, I pose a question. How did we get here? Was it an accident that this planet was created and life was put on it? Ok, too 'out there'?

Think about your games. Some divine power must have imbited the Earth with enough raw materials so that we all can have an HD TV, Xbox with Halo in it. Pretty amazing, huh? Think off all the raw materials it takes to make one of those.

Just 200 years ago, people would have given a Kingdom to travel instantly in the world or have today consoles. Now we can take a jet anywhere we want, or switch on the power to our machine and be transported in a different way.

All are God's love.[/quote]

You should read A Brief History of Time or Cosmos.

Did you know that scientists have been able to create a soup of raw materials (hydrogen, nitrogen, etc.) and run electricity through it (simulating lightning) and eventually you get a slew of nucleotides and animo acids?

Even moreso, scientists have observed these amino acids forming into simple proteins AND control reaction as enzymes do today? Also nucleotides have been observed forming into nucleic acids AND self-replicating.

It's true that we are more than just proteins and nucleic acids, but these are the basic building block of life. Scientists have been able to generate them from raw materials with very little intervention in like the 50 years we've been studying about this stuff. The universe had billions of years. Is it really THAT tough to accept the possibility that we might just be the product of chance?
 
[quote name='suko_32']I knew this thread was going to explode. Just imagine this on GameFaqs.[/quote]

On Gamefaqs there would be nothing civil about this. Just a bunch of 1's and misspelled profanities. :roll:
 
[quote name='rockhero'][quote name='rallen']God, Country, and Corps... That's my beliefs in three words.

For all those non-beleivers, I pose a question. How did we get here? Was it an accident that this planet was created and life was put on it? Ok, too 'out there'?

Think about your games. Some divine power must have imbited the Earth with enough raw materials so that we all can have an HD TV, Xbox with Halo in it. Pretty amazing, huh? Think off all the raw materials it takes to make one of those.

Just 200 years ago, people would have given a Kingdom to travel instantly in the world or have today consoles. Now we can take a jet anywhere we want, or switch on the power to our machine and be transported in a different way.

All are God's love.[/quote]

You should read A Brief History of Time or Cosmos.

Did you know that scientists have been able to create a soup of raw materials (hydrogen, nitrogen, etc.) and run electricity through it (simulating lightning) and eventually you get a slew of nucleotides and animo acids?

Even moreso, scientists have observed these amino acids forming into simple proteins AND control reaction as enzymes do today? Also nucleotides have been observed forming into nucleic acids AND self-replicating.

It's true that we are more than just proteins and nucleic acids, but these are the basic building block of life. Scientists have been able to generate them from raw materials with very little intervention in like the 50 years we've been studying about this stuff. The universe had billions of years. Is it really THAT tough to accept the possibility that we might just be the product of chance?[/quote]

It is for anyone who has a fear of being inadequate and your exhistance being an accidental and pointless endeavor. If you promiss a kid a cookie if he cleans his room and then you don't give it to him, he throws a fit... Imagine the tantrum the religious lot would throw if they ... well... weren't fuckin' dead... :lol:
 
[quote name='Javil']Dr. MK, your random pic commentary is great. I'm reading this thread in class, and I almost laughed out loud at the "OH SNAP" bear falling out of the tree. :lol:[/quote]

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and for the record, I think the thread is going well. most civilized.
 
[quote name='rallen'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']

I think you're confusing "god's love" with human ingenuity.[/quote]

We coudn't have conceived these things without:

a) The raw materials
b) Divine inspiration

Without God we wouldn't be here, or have the things we do. We should all be very thankful.[/quote]

I'm thankful for genocide, and I'm thankful for racism, and I'm thankful for homophobia, and I'm thankful for child abuse, and I'm thankful for CAG hoarders. I'm thankful for a lot.

If divine inspiration can be used as a blanket phrase to account for human understanding, then it only stands true that all things, negative and positive alike, are directly the result of your god. Even the people who died in the corps!

So, rather than using god as a theological cork to plug up your explanatory holes, perhaps you could now explain how so much suffering and negativity can come from the inspiration of an allegedly perfect being.

George Carlin, while his most recent book is, truly, a stream-of-consciousness piece of junk, has a good discussion in it which compares the treatment of religious leaders and extraterrestrial experts in our mainstream media. If you consider that people such as James Dobson and Jerry Falwell have ample TV time, you'll see his point.

myke.
...ever see those auto license plate frames: "In case of rapture, this car will be unmanned"? What kind of narcissistic nonsense is that?
 
Hey, is there a word for someone that is between aetheist and religous? Also, does anyone else think the word aetheist has a negative connotion associated with it?
 
[quote name='btw1217'][quote name='suko_32']I knew this thread was going to explode. Just imagine this on GameFaqs.[/quote]

On Gamefaqs there would be nothing civil about this. Just a bunch of 1's and misspelled profanities. :roll:[/quote]

Agreed. Despite some differences in opinion, most of what has been posted has made for a good read and has been calm IMO.
 
The two things you never want to argue about come up so frequently on this board...

Isn't is wonderful? :D

Well.. In my view, it's non sense. Jesus is like the Santa for adults. Santa brings kids toys and joys, Jesus brings the aged and dying peace and comfort.

I'm sorry you feel that is a bad thing, peace and comfort are extremely helpful things.

I know this has been touched upon, but since I'm sharing my views, I'll talk about it too. Throughout its history, humanity has used gods to account for the unexplainable.

Yes.

Every culture had a god of sunshine, or rain or every other phenomena their tiny minds couldn't comprehend. As the ages passed we found out that light originates from a burning mass of helium and hydrogen.

Sort of... More to the sun than that... however...

Rain comes from that massive inferno heating lakes and oceans making water accend to the atmosphere and then cool and percipitate to the ground.

Very close, good effort.

However, no matter how hard humanity looks, they can't find an answer for the begining or the end. Since its a well known fact people fear the unknown, they kept those God and Jesus fellas around to keep the ignorant masses content and in check.

Perhaps, but does that invalidate the potential of a God? There are many different conceptions of God, not all are the classic Christian one. There are many shades of reality too.

It's just so hard to take religion seriously when most of what they have fought so fervorently for has changed. Jesus black? Women as equals? The world round? OUTER SPACE?! One look at the Crusades, Inquisition, and Witch Trials should show you religion is just a tool of those seeking power. I really liked the "you don't agree with us, so to 'save your soul' (read- shut you up) we'll just kill you" attitude.

You can't eliminate all the good of something because people are fallible. We've always made mistakes. Every culture in the world thinks that they live in that one critical moment, when the nature of, well, Nature itself is revealed to them. Nobody has yet. None of that invalidates God.

We found out God isn't sitting on a cloud. This planet isn't the center of the universe, infact, we're in the ass-end, backwater part of our solar system. The planet is round and circles around the sun, not vice versa and flat. The ideals they would kill people for disbelieving have not withstood the test of time... I'm just wondering when the rest will give way.

I don't particularly agree with the "ass-end" part, but I concede your point. But just because you know that science will be overturned in the future does not mean that you can't believe in something greater. That you can't devote your life to good works.

Yet another point brought up was the fact that most religions are propogated by force. If you sit a young child down and tell them something, they, for the most part, will believe you. If they ever question the teachings they get beaten. This is fact, my mom went to a Catholic school where they would beat you just for the hell of it. She once asked how Caine came back with a wife if Adam and Eve were the only people made... the nun removed her dress and underwear and spanked her with a ruler infront of the whole class... In the name of a loving god? No thanks...

I will never argue that a codified set of behaviours are a substitute for independent thought. Ever.

Finally, I just want to clear up a few grammatical issues that really bother me. When you say a god, don't capitalize it. God is his name, but if you reference more than one or not a specific one, its gods/a god. (Like naming your puppy Dog vs. having many dogs.)
Him and He are pronouns, damnit, and should be used as such. Do not capitalize him or he, unless God's name is His and Jesus is really named He. IIRC the real name of God is Jehova... says so in the Bible... I think.

He has several names. Jehova is one of them. I wouldn't say that that is His real name.

Besides... if there really was a god, Ule Bol wouldn't be making movies.

I see that as humor, and wont dispute it. I can funny too.


In seriousness, however, my conception of God is that of a sentience to the universe. It/He is because in the ultimate Decartes, It/He is.

I believe that the universe operates under a set of natural laws. Gravity, Electromagnetism, Atomic forces etc... And that these laws were created by some form of sentience. You can concieve of this God however you like, I see it in the classical christian sense. We are His children, but he wants us to grow up. He gave us independant thought because He wants us to use it, to question the why and how, to discover this marvelous universe He created for us. I think the evils perpetrated in God's name are the product of Man.

Does that jive with your difficulties believeing in God?
 
[quote name='suko_32']Hey, is there a word for someone that is between aetheist and religous? Also, does anyone else think the word aetheist has a negative connation associated with it?[/quote]

there is a large community of people who view atheists as lacking a sense of morality (since if good doesnt come down by gods mandate, why would you do good?).

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[quote name='suko_32']Hey, is there a word for someone that is between aetheist and religous? Also, does anyone else think the word aetheist has a negative connotion associated with it?[/quote]

Agnostic what you're looking for?
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK'][quote name='btw1217'][quote name='suko_32']I knew this thread was going to explode. Just imagine this on GameFaqs.[/quote]

On Gamefaqs there would be nothing civil about this. Just a bunch of 1's and misspelled profanities. :roll:[/quote]

Agreed. Despite some differences in opinion, most of what has been posted has made for a good read and has been calm IMO.[/quote]

Sorry, what I meant is I knew this thread would suddenly have lots of post. Sorry!
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart'][quote name='suko_32']Hey, is there a word for someone that is between aetheist and religous? Also, does anyone else think the word aetheist has a negative connation associated with it?[/quote]

there is a large community of people who view atheists as lacking a sense of morality (since if good doesnt come down by gods mandate, why would you do good?).

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Agnostic maybe?
 
[quote name='rockhero'][quote name='rallen']God, Country, and Corps... That's my beliefs in three words.

For all those non-beleivers, I pose a question. How did we get here? Was it an accident that this planet was created and life was put on it? Ok, too 'out there'?

Think about your games. Some divine power must have imbited the Earth with enough raw materials so that we all can have an HD TV, Xbox with Halo in it. Pretty amazing, huh? Think off all the raw materials it takes to make one of those.

Just 200 years ago, people would have given a Kingdom to travel instantly in the world or have today consoles. Now we can take a jet anywhere we want, or switch on the power to our machine and be transported in a different way.

All are God's love.[/quote]

You should read A Brief History of Time or Cosmos.

Did you know that scientists have been able to create a soup of raw materials (hydrogen, nitrogen, etc.) and run electricity through it (simulating lightning) and eventually you get a slew of nucleotides and animo acids?

Even moreso, scientists have observed these amino acids forming into simple proteins AND control reaction as enzymes do today? Also nucleotides have been observed forming into nucleic acids AND self-replicating.

It's true that we are more than just proteins and nucleic acids, but these are the basic building block of life. Scientists have been able to generate them from raw materials with very little intervention in like the 50 years we've been studying about this stuff. The universe had billions of years. Is it really THAT tough to accept the possibility that we might just be the product of chance?[/quote]

While you make a very compelling point, this does not answer the fact that games such as "Primal" and "Black and Bruised" did not, in fact come from chance; they came from the workshop of the all powerful (and evil) Satan.

myke.
...maybe Drake of the 99 Dragons did too. I'll have to look that up.
 
What I love is that Jesus was a long-haired Jewish Arab Gnostic Hippie, and in America today there is a large segment of the population that read the bible literally (they are teaching creationism in some schools), have no love for muslims (muslims being mostly arab), jews (just watch "Passion"), and cannot find compassion for someone with a different sexual orientation or tolerate a different moral viewpoint (the Ancient Romans had the same attitude...).

It's as if the religious right's interpretation of Jesus's life and words cannot be questioned, or as Our Leader says about Jesus
if they [IE the non-fundamentalists] don’t know, it’s going to be hard to explain
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