JESUS is Overrated

[quote name='mykevermin'][quote name='rockhero'][quote name='rallen']God, Country, and Corps... That's my beliefs in three words.

For all those non-beleivers, I pose a question. How did we get here? Was it an accident that this planet was created and life was put on it? Ok, too 'out there'?

Think about your games. Some divine power must have imbited the Earth with enough raw materials so that we all can have an HD TV, Xbox with Halo in it. Pretty amazing, huh? Think off all the raw materials it takes to make one of those.

Just 200 years ago, people would have given a Kingdom to travel instantly in the world or have today consoles. Now we can take a jet anywhere we want, or switch on the power to our machine and be transported in a different way.

All are God's love.[/quote]

You should read A Brief History of Time or Cosmos.

Did you know that scientists have been able to create a soup of raw materials (hydrogen, nitrogen, etc.) and run electricity through it (simulating lightning) and eventually you get a slew of nucleotides and animo acids?

Even moreso, scientists have observed these amino acids forming into simple proteins AND control reaction as enzymes do today? Also nucleotides have been observed forming into nucleic acids AND self-replicating.

It's true that we are more than just proteins and nucleic acids, but these are the basic building block of life. Scientists have been able to generate them from raw materials with very little intervention in like the 50 years we've been studying about this stuff. The universe had billions of years. Is it really THAT tough to accept the possibility that we might just be the product of chance?[/quote]

While you make a very compelling point, this does not answer the fact that games such as "Primal" and "Black and Bruised" did not, in fact come from chance; they came from the workshop of the all powerful (and evil) Satan.

myke.
...maybe Drake of the 99 Dragons did too. I'll have to look that up.[/quote]

Yeah, Rex Mundi is a geek - along with rumors he's now on the internets! :shock:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/02/17/vatican.satinism.ap/
 
[quote name='the3rdkey']I can only deduce from this thread that hell is going to be full of gamers.
Mwhahahahaa :shock:[/quote]

actually, someone in the penny arcade forum a while back started a thread where he opened by saying that he has noticed a strong non-religious backing to the gaming community. I didnt join the discussion.

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[quote name='mykevermin']
...ever see those auto license plate frames: "In case of rapture, this car will be unmanned"? What kind of narcissistic nonsense is that?[/quote]

Yeah, that's one of the problems I believe that most "Christians" (notice how I put quotation marks) have. While I think it's admirable that you're not afraid to publicly confess your belief, I don't think you should treat it as an award or something. Most "Christians" just want to flaunt their religion around as though they've accomplished something. That's not what tru Christianity is about. I don't think Jesus would drive a car with that liscense plate.
 
[quote name='camoor']What I love is that Jesus was a long-haired Jewish Arab Gnostic Hippie, and in America today there is a large segment of the population that read the bible literally (they are teaching creationism in some schools), have no love for muslims (muslims being mostly arab), jews (just watch "Passion"), and cannot find compassion for someone with a different sexual orientation or tolerate a different moral viewpoint (the Ancient Romans had the same attitude...).

It's as if the religious right's interpretation of Jesus's life and words cannot be questioned, or as Our Leader says about Jesus
if they [IE the non-fundamentalists] don’t know, it’s going to be hard to explain
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As landoverbaptist.com declares,

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myke.
 
Good is not defined by religion or lack there of. I work with some athiest people at the college who are great people and there is a woman (student) I know at the college who believes highly in Jesus who is a total asshole. My best friend is Muslim and I've known him since high school. He is one of the nicest people I know. Last year we got on the subject of religion and asked me was I particularly religious. I told him I had some beliefs but I was not devout or anything. He accepted my beliefs like a friend would. I accept and respect his.
 
[quote name='btw1217'] I don't think Jesus would drive a car with that liscense plate.[/quote]

But if he drove a car you know it would be a civic hybrid ;)
 
I wish somebody would lock this thread so I could go back to playing Shadow Hearts. I'm never going to get anything accomplished now. :cry:
 
[quote name='crystalklear64'][quote name='btw1217'] I don't think Jesus would drive a car with that liscense plate.[/quote]

But if he drove a car you know it would be a civic hybrid ;)[/quote]

Hey DR.MK, find me a picture of Jesus riding a moped.
 
[quote name='crystalklear64'][quote name='btw1217'] I don't think Jesus would drive a car with that liscense plate.[/quote]

But if he drove a car you know it would be a civic hybrid ;)[/quote]

The mental image of that is awesome. :lol:
 
[quote name='crystalklear64'][quote name='btw1217'] I don't think Jesus would drive a car with that liscense plate.[/quote]

But if he drove a car you know it would be a civic hybrid ;)[/quote]

Why would Jesus drive a civic when he builds hot rods? ;)
 
[quote name='btw1217']I wish somebody would lock this thread so I could go back to playing Shadow Hearts. I'm never going to get anything accomplished now. :cry:[/quote]

:lol:

If it is locked, it'll be here in the morning. Everything has been fairly amicable here though. Nothing really to warrant a big fat lock.
 
[quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='crystalklear64'][quote name='btw1217'] I don't think Jesus would drive a car with that liscense plate.[/quote]

But if he drove a car you know it would be a civic hybrid ;)[/quote]

Hey DR.MK, find me a picture of Jesus riding a moped.[/quote]

Jesus could have driven many cars if we read the bible.

One theory is that Jesus would tool around in an old Plymouth because the Bible says,
"God drove Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden in a Fury."

But in Psalm 83, the Almighty clearly owns a Pontiac and a Geo. The passage urges the Lord to,
"pursue your enemies with your Tempest and terrify them with your Storm." - Psalm 83:15

Perhaps, God favors Dodge pickup trucks, because Moses' followers are warned not to go up a mountain
"until the Ram's horn sounds a long blast." - Exodus 19:13

Some scholars insist that Jesus drove a Honda, but didn't like to talk about it.
As proof, they cite a verse in St. John's Gospel where Christ tells the crowd,
"For I did not speak of my own Accord..." - John 12:49

Meanwhile, Moses rode an old British motorcycle, as evidenced by a Bible passage declaring that
"the roar of Moses' Triumph is heard in the hills."


Joshua drove a Triumph sports car with a hole in its muffler:
"Joshua's Triumph was heard throughout the land."

And, following the Master's lead, the Apostles car-pooled in a Honda
"The Apostles were in one Accord." !!!! - Acts 5:12
 
[quote name='Mr.Answer']This is kinda weird, a thread that may be seen as offensive to religious folk is allowed to go on and on and one, yet a thread about the problems of the CAG server is quickly edited and deleted.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52061&highlight=

that link won't make sense to but a few people (cheapyD, Backlash and if memory serves about 4 others before the thread was locked, edited, and all replies deleted)[/quote]

Isnt crapping on CAG ABOUT CAG kinda like if we went into a church and started Jesus crapping? Reporting a problem in a manner that helps and is productive the term "2 dollar whore" doesnt tend to show up in civil, logical, helpful discussion.
 
I thought somebody would've taken this on, but here goes:

You can't. I want you to prove to me that electrons exist. That matter is fundamentally made up of atoms. Prove the quantum foam. you have faith in those, right?
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I personally can't, but others have. We have things called electron microscopes that can see atoms. We can manipulate atoms and change them. We can see them. I "have faith" in scientific principles because they are proven, and even though I couldn't prove them, there are people that are alive who can. And not because they "have faith" in them, because they work.

Yes, some people have seen evidence of the accuracy for the Atomic Theory. One hundred and fifty years ago, phsycists were damn sure that a substence called the ether filled all empty space in the universe. They had evidence of that too.

Christianity WAS a cult. That was the whole point, Jews and Romans both tried to stamp it out. It was a movement that grew from one man.
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So was Nazism.

I don't see how that is a valid critique. Are you arguing that christianity was as evil as Nazism, or that it was structured as such? Why are you even rebutting, I agreed? I'll move on to the next.

I'm seeing the correlation between modern cults and early christianity, except in modern cults you voluntarity ostracize yourself, in christianity, you enter the community to do good works.
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The early Christians "voluntary ostracized" themselves, probably moreso than today's cults. I'm sure that in their minds, they do good work also.

An unproved supposition. They were secretive certainly because they were fed to lions. I would be secretive too. But importantly, what is the thing that invalidates the beliefs of those cults? Inconsistency. How many will be around in twenty or fifty years? And also, who are we to say they are wrong?

The other things are in there to prove the validity of the messages. I dont know about the walking on water thing, or the creating food from loaves of bread and fish, I just don't know. Believe or not the miracles as you will. Isn't the message what's important?
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Yup, it's a good message. Be good to people. But why do we have to attribute this stuff to religion? Why can't we do it with our own power, and not credit it to something else? And really, if you want to disregard the "facts" that your religion subscribes to, then what other legs does it have to stand on? "The religion for being a good person." I mean yeah, that's a cool thing, but it further shows that we wouldn't need a religion (or division) for that. We should all just be good dudes.

Being good to other people is uncharted territory for most people. Our very nature I would say moves against it. Christianity is a roadmap.

Why are you railing against a roadmap for good? If you agree in the message why are you not a spiritual and religious person?
 
[quote name='crystalklear64'][quote name='btw1217'] I don't think Jesus would drive a car with that liscense plate.[/quote]

But if he drove a car you know it would be a civic hybrid ;)[/quote]

Jesus would drive a car powered by a disc of pure machismo that is harnessed from the incredible magnetism of Eric Estrada.

...i am so alone...

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[quote name='supadupacheap'][quote name='Mr.Answer']This is kinda weird, a thread that may be seen as offensive to religious folk is allowed to go on and on and one, yet a thread about the problems of the CAG server is quickly edited and deleted.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52061&highlight=

that link won't make sense to but a few people (cheapyD, Backlash and if memory serves about 4 others before the thread was locked, edited, and all replies deleted)[/quote]

Isnt crapping on CAG ABOUT CAG kinda like if we went into a church and started Jesus crapping? Reporting a problem in a manner that helps and is productive the term "2 dollar whore" doesnt tend to show up in civil, logical, helpful discussion.[/quote]

That kinda leads to my point, seems many here are doing that to Jesus, yet nothing happens. Someone mentions the problems the server is having and delete of posts occurs.
 
[quote name='Mr.Answer'][quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='crystalklear64'][quote name='btw1217'] I don't think Jesus would drive a car with that liscense plate.[/quote]

But if he drove a car you know it would be a civic hybrid ;)[/quote]

Hey DR.MK, find me a picture of Jesus riding a moped.[/quote]

Jesus could have driven many cars if we read the bible.

One theory is that Jesus would tool around in an old Plymouth because the Bible says,
"God drove Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden in a Fury."

But in Psalm 83, the Almighty clearly owns a Pontiac and a Geo. The passage urges the Lord to,
"pursue your enemies with your Tempest and terrify them with your Storm." - Psalm 83:15

Perhaps, God favors Dodge pickup trucks, because Moses' followers are warned not to go up a mountain
"until the Ram's horn sounds a long blast." - Exodus 19:13

Some scholars insist that Jesus drove a Honda, but didn't like to talk about it.
As proof, they cite a verse in St. John's Gospel where Christ tells the crowd,
"For I did not speak of my own Accord..." - John 12:49

Meanwhile, Moses rode an old British motorcycle, as evidenced by a Bible passage declaring that
"the roar of Moses' Triumph is heard in the hills."


Joshua drove a Triumph sports car with a hole in its muffler:
"Joshua's Triumph was heard throughout the land."

And, following the Master's lead, the Apostles car-pooled in a Honda
"The Apostles were in one Accord." !!!! - Acts 5:12[/quote]

OMG yes!!! :lol:
 
[quote name='fanskad']Being good to other people is uncharted territory for most people. Our very nature I would say moves against it. Christianity is a roadmap.

Why are you railing against a roadmap for good? If you agree in the message why are you not a spiritual and religious person?[/quote]

You're still missing the point. Being spiritual/religious and being a good person are not one and the same.
 
[quote name='Mr.Answer']This is kinda weird, a thread that may be seen as offensive to religious folk is allowed to go on and on and one, yet a thread about the problems of the CAG server is quickly edited and deleted.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52061&highlight=

that link won't make sense to but a few people (cheapyD, Backlash and if memory serves about 4 others before the thread was locked, edited, and all replies deleted)[/quote]

that thread isnt locked, and this thread is allowed because its very civil, and itll remain open as long as it remains an intelligent discussion
 
[quote name='Mr.Answer'][quote name='supadupacheap'][quote name='Mr.Answer']This is kinda weird, a thread that may be seen as offensive to religious folk is allowed to go on and on and one, yet a thread about the problems of the CAG server is quickly edited and deleted.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52061&highlight=

that link won't make sense to but a few people (cheapyD, Backlash and if memory serves about 4 others before the thread was locked, edited, and all replies deleted)[/quote]

Isnt crapping on CAG ABOUT CAG kinda like if we went into a church and started Jesus crapping? Reporting a problem in a manner that helps and is productive the term "2 dollar whore" doesnt tend to show up in civil, logical, helpful discussion.[/quote]

That kinda leads to my point, seems many here are doing that to Jesus, yet nothing happens. Someone mentions the problems the server is having and delete of posts occurs.[/quote]

Yes but despite popular opinion Cheapy is not, in fact, God. :lol:
 
[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Mr.Answer']This is kinda weird, a thread that may be seen as offensive to religious folk is allowed to go on and on and one, yet a thread about the problems of the CAG server is quickly edited and deleted.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52061&highlight=

that link won't make sense to but a few people (cheapyD, Backlash and if memory serves about 4 others before the thread was locked, edited, and all replies deleted)[/quote]

that thread isnt locked, and this thread is allowed because its very civil, and itll remain open as long as it remains an intelligent discussion[/quote]

Thank you punq! You are wise in your benevolence.
 
[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Mr.Answer']This is kinda weird, a thread that may be seen as offensive to religious folk is allowed to go on and on and one, yet a thread about the problems of the CAG server is quickly edited and deleted.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52061&highlight=

that link won't make sense to but a few people (cheapyD, Backlash and if memory serves about 4 others before the thread was locked, edited, and all replies deleted)[/quote]

that thread isnt locked, and this thread is allowed because its very civil, and itll remain open as long as it remains an intelligent discussion[/quote]


It isn't locked but changes were made to the original post, funny cause I can't produce evidence, but the OP knows what happened, CheapyD knows what happened, I witnessed what happened. I can't wait to see the flaming now, but that won't change what happened.
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']
Yes but despite popular opinion Cheapy is not, in fact, God. :lol:[/quote]

You liar! My life and devotion have not been spent in vain!
 
[quote name='Mr.Answer']It isn't locked but changes were made to the original post, funny cause I can't produce evidence, but the OP knows what happened, CheapyD knows what happened, I witnessed what happened. I can't wait to see the flaming now, but that won't change what happened.[/quote]

Yeah I saw that too, it was weird.
 
[quote name='btw1217'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']
Yes but despite popular opinion Cheapy is not, in fact, God. :lol:[/quote]

You liar! My life and devotion have not been spent in vain![/quote]

Search your heart. You know it to be true.
 
[quote name='Mr.Answer'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Mr.Answer']This is kinda weird, a thread that may be seen as offensive to religious folk is allowed to go on and on and one, yet a thread about the problems of the CAG server is quickly edited and deleted.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52061&highlight=

that link won't make sense to but a few people (cheapyD, Backlash and if memory serves about 4 others before the thread was locked, edited, and all replies deleted)[/quote]

that thread isnt locked, and this thread is allowed because its very civil, and itll remain open as long as it remains an intelligent discussion[/quote]


It isn't locked but changes were made to the original post, funny cause I can't produce evidence, but the OP knows what happened, CheapyD knows what happened, I witnessed what happened. I can't wait to see the flaming now, but that won't change what happened.[/quote]

i have no clue why what you say happened, but it was a repost if that helps...
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='fanskad']Being good to other people is uncharted territory for most people. Our very nature I would say moves against it. Christianity is a roadmap.

Why are you railing against a roadmap for good? If you agree in the message why are you not a spiritual and religious person?[/quote]

You're still missing the point. Being spiritual/religious and being a good person are not one and the same.[/quote]

Correct. They are not. By your definition. (I had to throw that in there)

I equate spiritualiy with being a good person. Very little else. I see Christianity as a method to reach that spirituality, that higher potential. There are certainly other ways. I do not see religion, any religion, as inherently evil. People make them that way.

Some people need that roadmap. Not to have the thinking done for them, but to know where to start. Which direction to head. Who am I to deny someone the comfort they feel in a loving God?
 
I bet the mods are watching this like hawks waiting for the insulting and shouting to begin.

I hope to disappoint them.

EDIT: spelling
 
Well.. In my view, it's non sense. Jesus is like the Santa for adults. Santa brings kids toys and joys, Jesus brings the aged and dying peace and comfort.

I'm sorry you feel that is a bad thing, peace and comfort are extremely helpful things.

I wasn't saying it was bad, so much as I was trying to point out that its silly... When a child says 'uuk wat Santa gived me' and holds up a train ever so proudly, adults go awe isnt that cute... I'm just kinda curious as to who/what is going to look at the religious believes and go "oh... quaint"... (Aliens would be cool =))

Every culture had a god of sunshine, or rain or every other phenomena their tiny minds couldn't comprehend. As the ages passed we found out that light originates from a burning mass of helium and hydrogen.

Sort of... More to the sun than that... however...

Sorry... Seeing how no one can really explain nuclear fussion on such an insanely large scale, I figured I'd keep it simple. Massive preassure, unimaginable heat= fussion... more or less.

Rain comes from that massive inferno heating lakes and oceans making water accend to the atmosphere and then cool and percipitate to the ground.

Very close, good effort.

I hope you aren't patronizing me. Again, for the sake of being brief... I was.

However, no matter how hard humanity looks, they can't find an answer for the begining or the end. Since its a well known fact people fear the unknown, they kept those God and Jesus fellas around to keep the ignorant masses content and in check.

Perhaps, but does that invalidate the potential of a God? There are many different conceptions of God, not all are the classic Christian one. There are many shades of reality too.

Well, when you hear about a new disease on the radio, and people start dying near you... I'd hope you'd put two and two together and make smores... Err... Find the correlation. While, no, it doesn't disprove God, it doesn't really provide much backing for him.


It's just so hard to take religion seriously when most of what they have fought so fervorently for has changed. Jesus black? Women as equals? The world round? OUTER SPACE?! One look at the Crusades, Inquisition, and Witch Trials should show you religion is just a tool of those seeking power. I really liked the "you don't agree with us, so to 'save your soul' (read- shut you up) we'll just kill you" attitude.

You can't eliminate all the good of something because people are fallible. We've always made mistakes. Every culture in the world thinks that they live in that one critical moment, when the nature of, well, Nature itself is revealed to them. Nobody has yet. None of that invalidates God.

Again, it doesn't do much for his reputation, either. "As it is on Earth, so too, shall it be in Heaven" ring a bell? Doesn't that mean if the Church says its true I support them? So.... taken at face value, God supports the rape and enslavement of untold billions.

We found out God isn't sitting on a cloud. This planet isn't the center of the universe, infact, we're in the ass-end, backwater part of our solar system. The planet is round and circles around the sun, not vice versa and flat. The ideals they would kill people for disbelieving have not withstood the test of time... I'm just wondering when the rest will give way.

I don't particularly agree with the "ass-end" part, but I concede your point. But just because you know that science will be overturned in the future does not mean that you can't believe in something greater. That you can't devote your life to good works.

Its been a while since I looked at a map of the galaxy (which is what I ment, sorry), but were pretty far out on one of the spiral arms... Which is good, because the super condensed area of stars would give us unbearable radiation... not to meantion the high probablity of colliding with another solar system.

I believe that the universe operates under a set of natural laws. Gravity, Electromagnetism, Atomic forces etc... And that these laws were created by some form of sentience. You can concieve of this God however you like, I see it in the classical christian sense. We are His children, but he wants us to grow up. He gave us independant thought because He wants us to use it, to question the why and how, to discover this marvelous universe He created for us. I think the evils perpetrated in God's name are the product of Man.

However... all the goodness done by us is the product of God? I wish I was perfect too, even when I fuck up it isn't my fault.

Does that jive with your difficulties believeing in God?

You have your beliefs and I really don't want to waste time trying to 'prove' you wrong seeing how its A) impossible and B) I'm tired and lazy. Don't worry, I'm not going to rape your wife and burn you at the stake... :whistle2:#
 
[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Mr.Answer'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Mr.Answer']This is kinda weird, a thread that may be seen as offensive to religious folk is allowed to go on and on and one, yet a thread about the problems of the CAG server is quickly edited and deleted.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52061&highlight=

that link won't make sense to but a few people (cheapyD, Backlash and if memory serves about 4 others before the thread was locked, edited, and all replies deleted)[/quote]

that thread isnt locked, and this thread is allowed because its very civil, and itll remain open as long as it remains an intelligent discussion[/quote]


It isn't locked but changes were made to the original post, funny cause I can't produce evidence, but the OP knows what happened, CheapyD knows what happened, I witnessed what happened. I can't wait to see the flaming now, but that won't change what happened.[/quote]

i have no clue why what you say happened, but it was a repost if that helps...[/quote]

Not a repost, fella posted his words, then his Original post got changed, (followed by a few posts about "What is this spam" and then original poster came back and said what is this? then asked to be locked.. then back to what you see now. I 'witnessed' this live this morning.
 
[quote name='fanskad']I bet the mods are watching this like hawks waiting for the insulting and shouting to begin.

I hope to dissapoint them.[/quote]

im hoping for the exact opposite.

i HATE how people get all up in arms whenever relegion is discussed.

while religion is totally alien to me, whats even more illogical is how people cant accept and discuss differences in a civil manner.

if anyone comes in here with nothing but flames ill nuke their posts (like i just nuked one of mario karts, and will continue to do if he keeps posting off topic crap)
 
[quote name='Mr.Answer'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Mr.Answer'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Mr.Answer']This is kinda weird, a thread that may be seen as offensive to religious folk is allowed to go on and on and one, yet a thread about the problems of the CAG server is quickly edited and deleted.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52061&highlight=

that link won't make sense to but a few people (cheapyD, Backlash and if memory serves about 4 others before the thread was locked, edited, and all replies deleted)[/quote]

that thread isnt locked, and this thread is allowed because its very civil, and itll remain open as long as it remains an intelligent discussion[/quote]


It isn't locked but changes were made to the original post, funny cause I can't produce evidence, but the OP knows what happened, CheapyD knows what happened, I witnessed what happened. I can't wait to see the flaming now, but that won't change what happened.[/quote]

i have no clue why what you say happened, but it was a repost if that helps...[/quote]

Not a repost, fella posted his words, then his Original post got changed, (followed by a few posts about "What is this spam" and then original poster came back and said what is this? then asked to be locked.. then back to what you see now. I 'witnessed' this live this morning.[/quote]

that makes no sence at all, what did he post about then that got changed?
 
[quote name='fanskad'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='fanskad']Being good to other people is uncharted territory for most people. Our very nature I would say moves against it. Christianity is a roadmap.

Why are you railing against a roadmap for good? If you agree in the message why are you not a spiritual and religious person?[/quote]

You're still missing the point. Being spiritual/religious and being a good person are not one and the same.[/quote]

Correct. They are not. By your definition. (I had to throw that in there)

I equate spiritualiy with being a good person. Very little else. I see Christianity as a method to reach that spirituality, that higher potential. There are certainly other ways. I do not see religion, any religion, as inherently evil. People make them that way.

Some people need that roadmap. Not to have the thinking done for them, but to know where to start. Which direction to head. Who am I to deny someone the comfort they feel in a loving God?[/quote]

When you put it like that, I can agree with you for the most part. Maybe I just believe that people shouldn't need a "roadmap" to be good.
 
[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Mr.Answer'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Mr.Answer'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Mr.Answer']This is kinda weird, a thread that may be seen as offensive to religious folk is allowed to go on and on and one, yet a thread about the problems of the CAG server is quickly edited and deleted.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52061&highlight=

that link won't make sense to but a few people (cheapyD, Backlash and if memory serves about 4 others before the thread was locked, edited, and all replies deleted)[/quote]

that thread isnt locked, and this thread is allowed because its very civil, and itll remain open as long as it remains an intelligent discussion[/quote]


It isn't locked but changes were made to the original post, funny cause I can't produce evidence, but the OP knows what happened, CheapyD knows what happened, I witnessed what happened. I can't wait to see the flaming now, but that won't change what happened.[/quote]

i have no clue why what you say happened, but it was a repost if that helps...[/quote]

Not a repost, fella posted his words, then his Original post got changed, (followed by a few posts about "What is this spam" and then original poster came back and said what is this? then asked to be locked.. then back to what you see now. I 'witnessed' this live this morning.[/quote]

that makes no sence at all, what did he post about then that got changed?[/quote]

what is listed as his original post (with no replies) was his original post. There were several replies, and then replies to the 'not OP edit of the original post' and then several replies. Then it was deleted. I assumed the edit was CheapyD having some fun at a complainer, but then the delete made me wonder.
 
[quote name='punqsux']that makes no sence at all, what did he post about then that got changed?[/quote]

Yeah I know. He originally posted exactly what is there now, but 10 minutes or so after he posted that, his post was editted to say something like:

$10 gold watches!
$20 Ipods!

FREE NINTENDO DS!
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The next post was the OP saying "WTF? I didn't post that!"

Then i asked "wtf", and I think Mr. Answer did too. Then I think the topic went back to how it originally was, with no responses.

It was confusing.
 
[quote name='Mr.Answer']
what is listed as his original post (with no replies) was his original post. There were several replies, and then replies to the 'not OP edit of the original post' and then several replies. Then it was deleted. I assumed the edit was CheapyD having some fun at a complainer, but then the delete made me wonder.[/quote]

i doubt it was cheapy...cheapy would have posted "repost. locked."

ill bring it up to him, and find out whats going on...because the whole thing sound bizarre to me...but it was still a repost.
 
[quote name='crystalklear64']Eh not to be rude, but could you discuss your issues with another thread in PMs, or a different thread?[/quote]

I post here because I am trying to find the continuity in modding I guess. One post that I witness was basically edited and deleted because it posted about CAG and its 'assy (Note cheapyD's term) server problems and yet another thread has (in many circles) much more offensive posts that is left unchecked.
 
[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Mr.Answer']
what is listed as his original post (with no replies) was his original post. There were several replies, and then replies to the 'not OP edit of the original post' and then several replies. Then it was deleted. I assumed the edit was CheapyD having some fun at a complainer, but then the delete made me wonder.[/quote]

i doubt it was cheapy...cheapy would have posted "repost. locked."

ill bring it up to him, and find out whats going on...because the whole thing sound bizarre to me...but it was still a repost.[/quote]

Do mods have the 'power' to delete threads? I know they can (thankfully)lock them? But can they edit and delete? or is that only in the domain of defender and Cheapy?
 
[quote name='"Kayden"']Well.. In my view, it's non sense. Jesus is like the Santa for adults. Santa brings kids toys and joys, Jesus brings the aged and dying peace and comfort.

I'm sorry you feel that is a bad thing, peace and comfort are extremely helpful things.

I wasn't saying it was bad, so much as I was trying to point out that its silly... When a child says 'uuk wat Santa gived me' and holds up a train ever so proudly, adults go awe isnt that cute... I'm just kinda curious as to who/what is going to look at the religious believes and go "oh... quaint"... (Aliens would be cool =))

I don't think that is the case. Rather, I don't think it's quaint. I think belief is a tremendouly powerful thing. I should have challenged you analogy earlier, I apologize.

Every culture had a god of sunshine, or rain or every other phenomena their tiny minds couldn't comprehend. As the ages passed we found out that light originates from a burning mass of helium and hydrogen.

Sort of... More to the sun than that... however...

Sorry... Seeing how no one can really explain nuclear fussion on such an insanely large scale, I figured I'd keep it simple. Massive preassure, unimaginable heat= fussion... more or less.

I understand, brevity.

Rain comes from that massive inferno heating lakes and oceans making water accend to the atmosphere and then cool and percipitate to the ground.

Very close, good effort.

I hope you aren't patronizing me. Again, for the sake of being brief... I was.

A little, but I'm allowed to, aren't i? :)

However, no matter how hard humanity looks, they can't find an answer for the begining or the end. Since its a well known fact people fear the unknown, they kept those God and Jesus fellas around to keep the ignorant masses content and in check.

Perhaps, but does that invalidate the potential of a God? There are many different conceptions of God, not all are the classic Christian one. There are many shades of reality too.

Well, when you hear about a new disease on the radio, and people start dying near you... I'd hope you'd put two and two together and make smores... Err... Find the correlation. While, no, it doesn't disprove God, it doesn't really provide much backing for him.

Ah, here is the crux of it. I don't concede that God is a human conception. I postulate that we are His. We are a fevere dream. Not so much as *poof* "Welcome to the Universe!" but more as a guiding hand that shaped evolution. Why do science and religion have to be mutually exclusive?

It's just so hard to take religion seriously when most of what they have fought so fervorently for has changed. Jesus black? Women as equals? The world round? OUTER SPACE?! One look at the Crusades, Inquisition, and Witch Trials should show you religion is just a tool of those seeking power. I really liked the "you don't agree with us, so to 'save your soul' (read- shut you up) we'll just kill you" attitude.

You can't eliminate all the good of something because people are fallible. We've always made mistakes. Every culture in the world thinks that they live in that one critical moment, when the nature of, well, Nature itself is revealed to them. Nobody has yet. None of that invalidates God.

Again, it doesn't do much for his reputation, either. "As it is on Earth, so too, shall it be in Heaven" ring a bell? Doesn't that mean if the Church says its true I support them? So.... taken at face value, God supports the rape and enslavement of untold billions.

You're using the phrase one church uses to retain corporeal power to, and to prove their divine authority to invalidate the very power that they wield while disproving their divine link. I don't believe that everything the pope says God holds true. I don't follow "Dogma's Logic"

We found out God isn't sitting on a cloud. This planet isn't the center of the universe, infact, we're in the ass-end, backwater part of our solar system. The planet is round and circles around the sun, not vice versa and flat. The ideals they would kill people for disbelieving have not withstood the test of time... I'm just wondering when the rest will give way.

I don't particularly agree with the "ass-end" part, but I concede your point. But just because you know that science will be overturned in the future does not mean that you can't believe in something greater. That you can't devote your life to good works.

Its been a while since I looked at a map of the galaxy (which is what I ment, sorry), but were pretty far out on one of the spiral arms... Which is good, because the super condensed area of stars would give us unbearable radiation... not to meantion the high probablity of colliding with another solar system.

Perhaps more proof of God. Would he create us near those celestial dangers you so accurately describe?

I believe that the universe operates under a set of natural laws. Gravity, Electromagnetism, Atomic forces etc... And that these laws were created by some form of sentience. You can concieve of this God however you like, I see it in the classical christian sense. We are His children, but he wants us to grow up. He gave us independant thought because He wants us to use it, to question the why and how, to discover this marvelous universe He created for us. I think the evils perpetrated in God's name are the product of Man.

However... all the goodness done by us is the product of God? I wish I was perfect too, even when I shaq-fu up it isn't my fault.

Not at all! God is showing us the way. Good and Evil are our own conceptions. We can follow or ignore.

Does that jive with your difficulties believeing in God?

You have your beliefs and I really don't want to waste time trying to 'prove' you wrong seeing how its A) impossible and B) I'm tired and lazy. Don't worry, I'm not going to rape your wife and burn you at the stake... :whistle2:#

No, but I might. :twisted:
 
[quote name='javeryh']Either that or I'm missing something... The whole Korn thing got me thinking and I just don't get it. How can someone all of a sudden wake up and decide that following Jesus (or any religion) is more important that whatever is going on in their lives at that point in time. I can understand wanting to be a better person and all that stuff but why does it mean that you have to do something so drastic. Can't you just follow your religion and go about your everyday life just trying to be better at whatever you think you were missing?[/quote]

If people did that then how would churches make any money :lol: :roll:

Clergy have to eat too dammit! :)
 
[quote name='Mr.Answer']

Do mods have the 'power' to delete threads? I know they can (thankfully)lock them? But can they edit and delete? or is that only in the domain of defender and Cheapy?[/quote]

yes mods can edit and delete threads.
i apologize for posting all of this in here but its the first ive heard of it and it sounds weird to me, because the only person that could have edited the OP's post was the OP or a mod.
 
[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Mr.Answer']

Do mods have the 'power' to delete threads? I know they can (thankfully)lock them? But can they edit and delete? or is that only in the domain of defender and Cheapy?[/quote]

yes mods can edit and delete threads.
i apologize for posting all of this in here but its the first ive heard of it and it sounds weird to me, because the only person that could have edited the OP's post was the OP or a mod.[/quote]

And it must not be the OP because all subsequent posts were deleted.
 
Dude, I went to a school full of people whose lives are fully devoted to Jesus Christ. They walked around campus like zombies who lived in a perfect world, immune to what was really going on around them.
But at the same time, when you find God, you find peace, and nothing else matters. I can respect that and I wish I could do it.
 
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However, no matter how hard humanity looks, they can't find an answer for the begining or the end. Since its a well known fact people fear the unknown, they kept those God and Jesus fellas around to keep the ignorant masses content and in check.

Perhaps, but does that invalidate the potential of a God? There are many different conceptions of God, not all are the classic Christian one. There are many shades of reality too.

Well, when you hear about a new disease on the radio, and people start dying near you... I'd hope you'd put two and two together and make smores... Err... Find the correlation. While, no, it doesn't disprove God, it doesn't really provide much backing for him.

Ah, here is the crux of it. I don't concede that God is a human conception. I postulate that we are His. We are a fevere dream. Not so much as *poof* "Welcome to the Universe!" but more as a guiding hand that shaped evolution. Why do science and religion have to be mutually exclusive?

Why are fire and water mutually exclusive? No matter what way they are combined or try to interact, they inevitably destroy each other.
Its like why you don't sleep with your boss... or why you shouldn't Its a conflict of interest. Most religeous scientists are discredited on both sides of the fence.

It's just so hard to take religion seriously when most of what they have fought so fervorently for has changed. Jesus black? Women as equals? The world round? OUTER SPACE?! One look at the Crusades, Inquisition, and Witch Trials should show you religion is just a tool of those seeking power. I really liked the "you don't agree with us, so to 'save your soul' (read- shut you up) we'll just kill you" attitude.

You can't eliminate all the good of something because people are fallible. We've always made mistakes. Every culture in the world thinks that they live in that one critical moment, when the nature of, well, Nature itself is revealed to them. Nobody has yet. None of that invalidates God.

Again, it doesn't do much for his reputation, either. "As it is on Earth, so too, shall it be in Heaven" ring a bell? Doesn't that mean if the Church says its true I support them? So.... taken at face value, God supports the rape and enslavement of untold billions.

You're using the phrase one church uses to retain corporeal power to, and to prove their divine authority to invalidate the very power that they wield while disproving their divine link. I don't believe that everything the pope says God holds true. I don't follow "Dogma's Logic"

You may not, but whoever takes the Bible strictly as-is, should. At not one point have I really tried to single you out as the focus of my ramblings. I'm using things I find to be applicable to most people. Is the Catholic church the only one that uses the Bible? Really, I don't pay that much attention... I know they stole most of thier material from the Jews... but I don't know if anyone else adopted the Bible... Reguardless, Catholicism/Christianity are the most widely spread (infecting :p) religions, both of which, I think, have that manta. So seeing how that accounts for a few hundred million people.... I think my point is still quite applicable.


We found out God isn't sitting on a cloud. This planet isn't the center of the universe, infact, we're in the ass-end, backwater part of our solar system. The planet is round and circles around the sun, not vice versa and flat. The ideals they would kill people for disbelieving have not withstood the test of time... I'm just wondering when the rest will give way.

I don't particularly agree with the "ass-end" part, but I concede your point. But just because you know that science will be overturned in the future does not mean that you can't believe in something greater. That you can't devote your life to good works.

Its been a while since I looked at a map of the galaxy (which is what I ment, sorry), but were pretty far out on one of the spiral arms... Which is good, because the super condensed area of stars would give us unbearable radiation... not to meantion the high probablity of colliding with another solar system.

Perhaps more proof of God. Would he create us near those celestial dangers you so accurately describe?

Maybe the only reason we wound up here is because all live elsewhere was destroyed. I think thats where a lot of the 'we're so great' mentality comes from. We (humans) are so full of ourselves simply for living. Maybe life had taken root elsewhere, but it was unfortunately wiped out due to a meteor, a toxic atmosphere, solar radiation, excessive heat, too little light, or the any of the other infinite permutations that would equal death. Maybe its not "this place is here for us" but more like "this is onf of the few places we haven't been Pwn3d!!!11!" Sure, the conditions may have been made perfect for us, but maybe we became perfect for the conditions.


Does that jive with your difficulties believeing in God?

You have your beliefs and I really don't want to waste time trying to 'prove' you wrong seeing how its A) impossible and B) I'm tired and lazy. Don't worry, I'm not going to rape your wife and burn you at the stake... :whistle2:#

No, but I might. :twisted:

:shock:!
 
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