Joe Rogan Confronts Carlos Mencia for Stealing Jokes, Sucking

[quote name='CocheseUGA']His birth certificate says Mencia. Fathers have next to zero parental rights here, you think they have more in Honduras?[/QUOTE]I think there's a naming convention in place regardless of bastardry.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Man....straight out of the RIAA handbook. How to look like an ass: page 124.



Yeah words are not tangible bucko. You cant go to the polic and say..."Hey that guy spoke my catch phrase arrest him now good sir."

Though it can be done but its very very hard to prove that someone stole something you can not physically touch, see, or smell.

Try again.[/QUOTE]"Bluh, bluh, bluh, that's not what I meant at all!"
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Wait, so he changed his name from Ned to Carlos to sound more "beaner?" What a douche.[/QUOTE]
If your name was Ned wouldn't you? Really though why all the hate for him having a Stage Name anyways. It's pretty much standard in the entertainment industry these days.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Man....straight out of the RIAA handbook. How to look like an ass: page 124.



Yeah words are not tangible bucko. You cant go to the polic and say..."Hey that guy spoke my catch phrase arrest him now good sir."

Though it can be done but its very very hard to prove that someone stole something you can not physically touch, see, or smell.

Try again.[/quote]
You missed jmcc's point. You're trying to say it's ok to steal a joke, or a song, because they hold relatively low value. Theft is theft, no matter the value.
 
[quote name='jmcc']"Bluh, bluh, bluh, that's not what I meant at all!"[/quote]

Yep.

[quote name='SpeedyG']If your name was Ned wouldn't you? Really though why all the hate for him having a Stage Name anyways. It's pretty much standard in the entertainment industry these days.[/quote]

Thats the thing...I truely dont understand why everyone goes all ape shit over him and dane cook....all the while liking a equally shitty comic.

"What Menica...Cook those guys suck....excuse me the Sarah Silverman show is on."

What is real name is Carlos.....hmmm he's kinda like the millions of others celb that have stage names.

Bottom line...this ridicous argument about how Cook and Mencia are such is boring as hell. Almost like the cool thing to do now is to expose them as H0x0rs.

[quote name='thespillcanvas']You missed jmcc's point. You're trying to say it's ok to steal a joke, or a song, because they hold relatively low value. Theft is theft, no matter the value.[/quote]

No i didnt miss the point. Again I dont think anyone here is saying stealing is right....i am saying what are you going to do about it? And more importantly why does everyone go after COOK/MENICA like they are the only two comics in all of history to do so.
 
[quote name='jmcc']I think there's a naming convention in place regardless of bastardry.[/QUOTE]

The idea of giving the father's last name is custom, not law. We could have given our daughters the last name of Jeebus if we wanted to.

I think the thing comes from people who don't like him or are jealous of him. No one says anything about his brother's name being Joseph Mencia.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Milli Vanilli being exposed was pretty fucking awesome, the way I remember it. So, yeah.[/QUOTE]

Word.

I have to say, stagename or not, I just find Mencia absolutely fucking stupid and annoying. I'm glad Rogan ripped him apart like that simply because I think Mencia should not be allowed to tell jokes, stolen or not.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']No i didnt miss the point. Again I dont think anyone here is saying stealing is right....i am saying what are you going to do about it? And more importantly why does everyone go after COOK/MENICA like they are the only two comics in all of history to do so.[/QUOTE]You. You're saying that. "Let's disregard a crime because we can't do anything about it" is crappy reasoning, and if you actually believe it, I want to rob you of your things.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']The idea of giving the father's last name is custom, not law. We could have given our daughters the last name of Jeebus if we wanted to.

I think the thing comes from people who don't like him or are jealous of him. No one says anything about his brother's name being Joseph Mencia.[/QUOTE]I'm jealous of him, sure. I wish I could do absolutely no work of my own an fall into a Comedy Central show, too.
 
[quote name='jmcc']You. You're saying that. "Let's disregard a crime because we can't do anything about it" is crappy reasoning, and if you actually believe it, I want to rob you of your things.[/quote]


Yeah....thats not what i said at all but i see where this is going.

I will just end it here. I'm sorry it sucks to have differnt opinions than each other.

Have a great day jmcc.
 
To all the people calling Rogan a bitch:

Mencia interrupted some other comedian's set because Rogan introduced the comedian as a friend of Menstealia instead of Mencia. A hilarious fitting nickname for Ned. After Menstealia got on stage, he proceeded to call Joe Rogan out and invite him on stage... the result is the video.

So you see, Rogan is not the asshole here. Menstealia took the time of another comedian (hehehe what he does best) because he can't take Rogan spreading the truth about his slimy ass.

I don't understand how anyone can back Mencia/Holness/Ned/Lame in this situation or the stealing thing. The dude is not influenced, he straight up jacks jokes from other guys. To understand how lame he is, all people should need to know is the George Lopez incident.

But, of course they say stealing is OK in comedy since everyone does it. They say people make jokes their own and put their spin on it. No, comedians do not steal jokes from each other, they're influenced by each other. The difference is Menstealia does not put his own spin on it, for Christ's sake he doesn't even know who the hell he is, Carlos, Ned, Mexican, German, Stage Name, etc.

If you want to see how not to steal a joke and make it your own then watch The Aristocrats. Just make sure Menstealia isn't in the room when you hit play.

Go Joe.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Yeah....thats not what i said at all but i see where this is going.

I will just end it here. I'm sorry it sucks to have differnt opinions than each other.

Have a great day jmcc.[/QUOTE]That's the best course of action you can take. Good work.
 
So how is this Ari guy living? Well off? How about the other guys Mencia has stolen jokes from? Probably not nearly as well off as Mencia. That's the problem. These guys work hard to maintain a living by writing these jokes. You might hear them at a nightclub and a few days later you forget who they are since they don't have the backing of a corporation. Mencia steals it, goes on his show or does his bits and they throw thousands at him. The rich get richer, stealing from the poor.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']So how is this Ari guy living? Well off? How about the other guys Mencia has stolen jokes from? Probably not nearly as well off as Mencia. That's the problem. These guys work hard to maintain a living by writing these jokes. You might hear them at a nightclub and a few days later you forget who they are since they don't have the backing of a corporation. Mencia steals it, goes on his show or does his bits and they throw thousands at him. The rich get richer, stealing from the poor.[/quote]

QFT. Man, that's a amazing way to look at it. Normally I see all the angles, but I missed that one. Good eye!
 
[quote name='slimpip']To all the people calling Rogan a bitch:

You are correct.[/QUOTE]

Fixed.

Go back to sniffing Randy Couture's jock-strap, Joe. Along the way, be sure to engange in INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD WARZ with kids, then go around bragging about how you "totally kicked this one kid's ass." For someone that should have enough money to be happy and content with life, he sure acts like a fucking childish retard.

Not that I'd care if ol' Carlos vanished tomorrow - that piece of shit needs to be stopped from stinking up stages across America. We need a royalty law for comedians who steal jokes - we could be rid of leeches like this guy and Dane Cook in no time, and the world would be a better place for it.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']So how is this Ari guy living? Well off? How about the other guys Mencia has stolen jokes from? Probably not nearly as well off as Mencia. That's the problem. These guys work hard to maintain a living by writing these jokes. You might hear them at a nightclub and a few days later you forget who they are since they don't have the backing of a corporation. Mencia steals it, goes on his show or does his bits and they throw thousands at him. The rich get richer, stealing from the poor.[/QUOTE]

If the jokes are funny, but your delivery sucks, then you go nowhere. Mencia has (what I used to think was) a good delivery.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']If the jokes are funny, but your delivery sucks, then you go nowhere. Mencia has (what I used to think was) a good delivery.[/quote]

Mencia delivered it almost the exact same way as Ari except a little more retarded.
 
[quote name='SpazX']Mencia delivered it almost the exact same way as Ari except a little more retarded.[/quote]Retarded sells. Take Forrest Gump for instance. Or that Andy kid that was on MTV. Now that (guy?) pissed me off.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']:applause::applause::applause::applause:


See i truely dont understand what fuck the big deal is. Yeah it sucks to have someone steal something from you.....but guess what shit gets stolen all the time.


Its in every industary on the planet its not like comedy is the golden child of the world in which nothing bad should every happen. .[/QUOTE]

But the worst offense you can do as a comedian is steal someone's jokes. Its hard as hell to write comedy. I'm talking insanely hard to write comedy. So once you do steal stuff, then you lose all respect with other comedians.

I applaud Joe Rogan.
 
I've actually been watching Joe Rogan for well over twelve years and he's funny as hell. I don't care for Fear Factor or any of that crap but his stand-up is top notch. And I despise Carlos Mencia. So, overall I find this whole thing amusing.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']So how is this Ari guy living? Well off? How about the other guys Mencia has stolen jokes from? Probably not nearly as well off as Mencia. That's the problem. These guys work hard to maintain a living by writing these jokes. You might hear them at a nightclub and a few days later you forget who they are since they don't have the backing of a corporation. Mencia steals it, goes on his show or does his bits and they throw thousands at him. The rich get richer, stealing from the poor.[/QUOTE]
Actually, it's even worse than that for the original comedian, because now that Carlos has performed the joke on his show, or some other media form to which he would have greater access due to his fame, the joke now becomes "his".

Sure, Ari can bitch and piss, but he's lost the joke now and needs to go back to work and come up with something else. Meanwhile, Ned gets to coast along, propped up on other people's labour.

Ask any comedians about life in the 80s when Robin Williams would come to their local comedy club and the next time he was on Carson these small-potatoes comedians would hear their own material coming back at them.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Yeah words are not tangible bucko. You cant go to the polic and say..."Hey that guy spoke my catch phrase arrest him now good sir."

Though it can be done but its very very hard to prove that someone stole something you can not physically touch, see, or smell.[/QUOTE]

Just because it's hard to "bring justice" to situation like this doesn't mean it's not...
pla·gia·rism
–noun
.....the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.
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[quote name='CitizenB']But the worst offense you can do as a comedian is steal someone's jokes. Its hard as hell to write comedy. I'm talking insanely hard to write comedy. So once you do steal stuff, then you lose all respect with other comedians. [/QUOTE]

The main problem is that other comedians are, usually, just as poor and hungry as you are. Their respect matters not at all.

However, TV executives, talk show hosts, comedy club managers, the people who matter treat it as a sibling spat and generally choose the thief, since he'll have a better routine of (stolen) jokes, over the victim.

[quote name='valor19']I've actually been watching Joe Rogan for well over twelve years and he's funny as hell.[/QUOTE]
QFT. Rogan's stand up is excellent.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']Retarded sells. Take Forrest Gump for instance. Or that Andy kid that was on MTV. Now that (guy?) pissed me off.[/quote]

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Cochese seemed (thought my interpretation may be wrong) to be saying that Mencia was more successful due to his own talent, but my point was that it's not the case. His talent has nothing to do with his success, it's simply his marketability.
 
[quote name='mr ryles']I hate joe rogan going out and making such an effort to do this as much as I hate carlos mencia.[/quote]

QFT.

I believe that was Myke's intent in posting this: to show the entertaining results of two douche bags going at each other. I do believe Rogan won that battle, though.
 
I think I would be pretty irritated too if I was an audience member there. If they have beef, that is fine. But if I paid money to be entertained and laugh, and enjoy my evening, I wouldn't go to watch two people yell and curse at each other. Yes, it can be entertaining, but it's not what you paid for.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing that Rogan wants to stand up for himself and other comedians, but it's still a bummer to have your night ruined because of it. I hope the audience got their money back.

But it'd still be cool to say you were there.
 
He stole BAD jokes. To top it off, he delivers them in a retarded fashion. IMO all the comedians in that video suck, then again I still like Dane Cook(havent heard anything since Retaliation though).
 
A 'PC-defiant' hack riding in the wake of Chappelle, and an overgrown frat boy. To steal the tagline from AvP....
 
[quote name='gunm']I believe that was Myke's intent in posting this: to show the entertaining results of two douche bags going at each other. I do believe Rogan won that battle, though.[/QUOTE]

I dunno much about Rogan, as I said, 'cept for Fear Factor and UFC. I rarely watch the latter and despise the former. Is he a douchebag? Maybe, maybe not. I just figured that with all the accusations flying about Mencia, he had it coming to him, whether or not I care for the person delivering the message.

It's interesting to see people defending Mencia (save for soodmeg's desperate need for anger management - the poor bastich just goes *apeshit* when someone disagrees with him, and then off the deep end if the disagreer actually makes valid points). If Mencia's hands were clean, or this was a common practice amongst comedians, you'd see this sort of thing happen more often than not, I imagine. Is there some jealousy aspect because of Mencia's success? You bet; as I said, nobody's going after lousy comedians who steal jokes, because they're failing with them. That's bad enough.

As for Mencia, you reap what you sow, IMO. There are great comedians who have not been accused of this, and there are popular comedians who write their own material. Nobody's ever going to accuse Michael Richards or Carrot Top of stealing their material. :lol:


Except Gallagher, perhaps, but who cares about that guy?

Nobody rips on Lisa Lampanelli, Dave Attell, or John Pinette for stealing jokes. You may or may not like them (I, for one, can't stand Lampanelli), but nobody's publicly shitting on them. Likewise, nobody publicly shit on Chappelle. Was he inspired by Richard Pryor or Redd Foxx? You bet. Did he rip off their jokes? Certainly not. Did some of his skits pay homage to them? Sure, but inspiration and plagiarism are two distinct issues, even if the line separating them is really fuzzy.
 
I'm glad Joe did this. Although, after finding out that he believes the moon landing was faked - me respect level dropped a ton. Still, that has nothing to do with what he is fighting for here so for that...I got his back.
 
That's why Bill Cosby rules. Using your own life as the source of your comedy eliminates this.

I know Rogan more from News Radio than anything else.
 
[quote name='mr ryles']I hate joe rogan going out and making such an effort to do this as much as I hate carlos mencia.[/QUOTE]

It's already been said that Carlos called Rogan on stage during another comedian's spot. So, instead of hating Rogan, you can hate Holness doubly for doing the deed.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Nobody rips on Lisa Lampanelli, Dave Attell, or John Pinette for stealing jokes. You may or may not like them (I, for one, can't stand Lampanelli), but nobody's publicly shitting on them. Likewise, nobody publicly shit on Chappelle. Was he inspired by Richard Pryor or Redd Foxx? You bet. Did he rip off their jokes? Certainly not. Did some of his skits pay homage to them? Sure, but inspiration and plagiarism are two distinct issues, even if the line separating them is really fuzzy.[/QUOTE]

Bottom line. /thread.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I dunno much about Rogan, as I said, 'cept for Fear Factor and UFC. I rarely watch the latter and despise the former. Is he a douchebag? Maybe, maybe not.

Nobody rips on Lisa Lampanelli, Dave Attell, or John Pinette for stealing jokes. You may or may not like them (I, for one, can't stand Lampanelli), but nobody's publicly shitting on them. Likewise, nobody publicly shit on Chappelle. Was he inspired by Richard Pryor or Redd Foxx? You bet. Did he rip off their jokes? Certainly not. Did some of his skits pay homage to them? Sure, but inspiration and plagiarism are two distinct issues, even if the line separating them is really fuzzy.[/quote]
First, wasn't Rogan on the revived Man Show? If so, it was fucking awful. It was alright, tolerable at best with Kibble on the show, but with Rogan and the blonde dickweed, it was complete trash. I think that and Fear Factor made me dislike Rogan a lot.

Secondly, I think Dave Attel is kind of aquitted due to Insomniac, which I found very interesting, and it was on the whole rather improptu and spontanious, which made Attel funny.

Lisa Lampanelli's stale. Old people jokes weren't funny on Billy Shatner's roast. :roll:
 
[quote name='Hex']First, wasn't Rogan on the revived Man Show? If so, it was fucking awful.[/QUOTE]

Never watched an episode to know that it was revived in the first place. Commericals always made it look like someone saw an old "NO MAAM" episode of Married With Children and decided to pitch it as its own show.
 
[quote name='strayfoxx']I pray for the second coming of Mitch Hedberg.[/quote]

2nd'd, 3rd'd, 4thd'd.......
These guys all suck compared to Mitch and I wish they were dead instead.
 
[quote name='slimpip']If you want to see how not to steal a joke and make it your own then watch The Aristocrats.[/QUOTE]
Thats a good movie. Look at how the comedy world and culture works, rent that movie and it'll give you a good example of showing respect. Its not for those show don't like vulgarity. Mencia is just a thief, more power to Joe Rogan for working towards exposing him. I never liked Mencia ever since I heard George Lopez on the local radio station, and they played back to back clips of Mencia stealing his material. Keep in mind this was years ago. I'm not the biggest Lopez fan, but he's a geniune guy and comedy actually has the feel of using his heritage and personal experiences versus usage of stereotypes.

The point of the video shouldn't be so much whether you like Joe Rogan or not, its more about why you shouldn't tune into the "Hispanic Chapelle's Show" and support Carlos Mencia. The reference to Ari is shown here : http://www.redban.com/video/ned2.mov . That video was posted March of last year.

As far as Joe Rogan, to me he is hilarious. He's a guy who doesn't take shit from no one and can back it up. Probably because he's a fucking fight champion. I forget his discipline and I couldn't find any videos of him fighting but the dude is a beast. This is the only thing I got from youtube looking up Joe Rogan and fight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C7vP061iqs
This video here is great. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og3fo0dR7I0. A chick tries to yell at him during an act and it turns into a whole new act itself. He took it far but the chick deserved it cause she felt she she could yell out and didn't expect to be awknowledged. Thats the best part of comedy, I love when spectators get the shit ripped out of them. I've seen it live and its golden.
 
I was doing some googling on the Denis Leary/Bill Hicks thing. I failed to realize that Hicks was alive when "No Cure for Cancer" became popular, so Leary ripped him off before his death:

"I stole his act", said Hicks. "I camouflaged it with punchlines, and to really throw people off, I did it before he did." When a reporter asked Hicks why he had quit smoking, he answered: "I wanted to see if Denis Leary would." Hicks died of cancer in 1994, and Leary's comedy hasn't been as successful since. Variations of a joke have since circulated the comedy scene: "Denis Leary became famous because there is no cure for cancer." Leary appeared on MTV in the early 1990s, in a series of MTV promotional bits where he insulted famous rock-and-rollers. He has lent his name and face to commercials for Nike, Holsten Pils in England, and Quaker State motor oil, among others.
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http://www.nndb.com/people/532/000022466/

Evidently, Joe Rogan's been vocal about theiving comics for years, based on this quote taken from a 10/2003 Playboy 20 Questions interview:

PLAYBOY: You started in stand-up. Which comics do you admire and which do you hate?

ROGAN: The comics I hate are thieves. Nothing's more disgusting than a guy who steals another person's ideas and tries to claim them as his own. Stand-up comedy is supposed to be "Here's the world through my eyes." It's supposed to be your observations, your thoughts and views on life. When you snatch little pieces of other people's lives and try to palm them off as your own, that's more disgusting than anything. Robin Williams is a huge thief. Denis Leary is a huge thief. His whole stand-up career is based on Bill Hicks, a brilliant guy who died years ago.
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http://www.afterophelia.com/denisleary.htm
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Are you going to spend your entire life trying to fight joke theft? NO! You would waste your entire career trying to prevent people from stealing your jokes.


No one can really ever prove that its your joke in the first place.....its a lose lose lose battle.

What do you suggest huh? Whats your all mighty plan to stop people from speaking words into a mic?

You kind of remind me of the RIAA...trying to stop each and every downloader from here to mexico even though its worthless to even try. For ever one person you stop there are 13438939843 million more springing up. With no real way to prove anything more than just two kids screaming "ITS MY JOKE....NO ITS MY JOKE" to go on as evidence.[/quote]

you missed the point. reading the rest of your posts in this thread, that seems to be all you're doing, actually.
 
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