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[quote name='GizmoGC']I'll pass, thanks though. I really have not see you contribute much. Do you actually own either or both formats?[/QUOTE]

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I'm not big into the whole pissing match aspect of HD movies but I'm sick of seeing you attacking other people, turning around and doing the same thing they are doing especially when you seem to be the only person from the HD-DVD camp in this thread.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']If that was true Fox would actually be releasing movies. For some reason they canceled all of them. Now with the HD-A2 getting in more peoples homes, that actually will mean more software sales.[/QUOTE]

There are a number of possibilities for Fox's "postponement" of BR releases, including (1) wanting to be more prominent in the market (IOW, fear of competition from currently scheduled BR releases), and also (2) AACS decryption (their last releases on BR came out the same week as AACS was cracked). There's another possibility of (3) HD-format trepidation. Consider that the Pirates movies, easily among the most popular/prominent movies on either format, moved under 50K copies (and, to wit, that the Matrix series moved under 15K!). Simply put, they may simply be holding off because neither format's making any profit at the moment.

There are some murmurings of replication issues, and that b/c newer movies are given precedence on the replication racks, and thus older movies pushed back, that Fox balked at that. I don't know the truth to that, however.

Ultimately, while you may gloat about Fox's postponement/quasi-abandonment of BR, let me ask you this: which Fox movies do you own for HD-DVD? :lol:
 
Gizmogc your comments are your opinion, but Spiderman 3 is the one of the biggest movies of all time and will probably be the biggest this summer. And as for Pirates 1 & 2, I know the sales aren't good, what I was saying is if come christmas time the players are both close in price movies like Spiderman 3 and Pirates 3 could be the deciding factor for people. And as far as attach rate goes, I think this argument has been beat to death. Not every PS3 is used as a BR player, I know it's hard for HD fanboys to understand that. It is impossible to put a exact figure on BR players just for that reason.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']No.

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Wow, I didn't know that there was such option for CAG. How do you search top posters? Also, I didn't think I'd be at top.

On topic: I agree with guyver2077 about HD DVD needing more support. We do have slimer pickings but we got quality vs quantity. I think the reason Blu-Ray's early films got such bad PQ reviews is because Sony knew that they would sell no matter what, they knew that they had exclusive titles that Blu-Ray owners would have no choice. They never saw HD DVD as a true competitor until now. They were months behind HD DVD on PQ and SQ now they are racing to get BR-J or whatever it called out the door to catch up again.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Wow, I didn't know that there was such option for CAG. How do you search top posters? Also, I didn't think I'd be at top.

On topic: I agree with guyver2077 about HD DVD needing more support. We do have slimer pickings but we got quality vs quantity. I think the reason Blu-Ray's early films got such bad PQ reviews is because Sony knew that they would sell no matter what, they knew that they had exclusive titles that Blu-Ray owners would have no choice. They never saw HD DVD as a true competitor until now. They were months behind HD DVD on PQ and SQ now they are racing to get BR-J or whatever it called out the door to catch up again.[/QUOTE]
Heh...speaking of, if you open the members list and sort by number of posts...this is an amusing result :

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[quote name='WhipSmartBanky']Heh...speaking of, if you open the members list and sort by number of posts...this is an amusing result :

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lol


theres gotta be some irony im missing here...
 
[quote name='Sporadic']No.

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I'm not big into the whole pissing match aspect of HD movies but I'm sick of seeing you attacking other people, turning around and doing the same thing they are doing especially when you seem to be the only person from the HD-DVD camp in this thread.[/QUOTE]

Good, at least you own a format.

I'm not attacking anyone here.

Well no NEW model Blu-Ray players will be. I reckon there will be plenty of people willing to sell their crippled 'thanks to the BDA 'player for a new model that will actually play movies. If you want Blu-Ray, get a PS3. Its safe.
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Not sure how that actually means that Im attacking any single person until you then posted you're lame ass response attacking me.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']There are a number of possibilities for Fox's "postponement" of BR releases, including (1) wanting to be more prominent in the market (IOW, fear of competition from currently scheduled BR releases), and also (2) AACS decryption (their last releases on BR came out the same week as AACS was cracked). There's another possibility of (3) HD-format trepidation. Consider that the Pirates movies, easily among the most popular/prominent movies on either format, moved under 50K copies (and, to wit, that the Matrix series moved under 15K!). Simply put, they may simply be holding off because neither format's making any profit at the moment.

There are some murmurings of replication issues, and that b/c newer movies are given precedence on the replication racks, and thus older movies pushed back, that Fox balked at that. I don't know the truth to that, however.

Ultimately, while you may gloat about Fox's postponement/quasi-abandonment of BR, let me ask you this: which Fox movies do you own for HD-DVD? :lol:[/QUOTE]

1. They should have thought about that before their CES orgasm.
2. While understandable, they are fools if they thought something could not be decrypted. Regardless, who the hell wants to download a 25-50GB movie?
3. Again, they should have never had the CES orgasm saying how great the format was and how they through full support towards the BDA. I said the same thing when HD DVD has its lull for 3 months earlier this year. They made good on their promise, Fox, however, has not.

As for Disc replication, I find that excuse to be crap. If they had enough copies to make a 15 minute 'Spider-Man' preview disc then they should have had enough to make 'Dude, Wheres your Car?'.

Obviously I own 0 Fox movies on HD DVD, yet I do own several on Blu-Ray. If I had a choice, I'd prefer them in red cases.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Why?

This "war" is the reason player prices are plummeting at an unheard of rate and why the studios (well a few studios) are trying their damnest to get as many titles out as possible. This "war" is a plus for consumers not a negative.

What's wrong with both formats living? At the rate we are moving at, in two/three years, duel-format players should be the standard anyways.[/QUOTE]

Initially, the war is good, but I don't see it being any good after this xmas. Prices will have hit a pretty good price (not as low as they should be, but pretty damn low considering both formats just launched in 06).

I don't want dual format players to be the standard. It just seems like a waste of money to me. Sure, by that time, cost difference will be minimal, but dual formats will always use more cost, time, and resources when compared to a single format player.

[quote name='GizmoGC']Hell if you want to go by %'s, The Matrix sold 5-6 tmes better then Blu-Ray in comparison to actual players in homes. But Blu-Ray fanboy's won't take that into account because they sold more copies! Who cares if attach rates are .33% of 1 movie while HD DVD is currently holding a nice 5 to 1 ratio (and growing thanks to the 10x increase in the past 2 weeks from the $100 off promotion).[/QUOTE]

Are you still bringing this argument up? If you're going to constantly bring it up, at least explain to me what this DRASTIC difference in attach rates (.33% vs 5-6) hasn't cause BD to fail already. To me, those numbers alone are a big enough difference to signal to studios that they should have jumped ship a long time ago.

Maybe you can explain to me why BD has such strong studio support despite its dismal attach rate.

[quote name='GizmoGC']If that was true Fox would actually be releasing movies. For some reason they canceled all of them. Now with the HD-A2 getting in more peoples homes, that actually will mean more software sales.[/QUOTE]

Actually, if that were true, Fox's best move would be to jump to HD-DVD, and stop wasting time with BD and their .33% attach rate.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Maybe you can explain to me why BD has such strong studio support despite its dismal attach rate.

Actually, if that were true, Fox's best move would be to jump to HD-DVD, and stop wasting time with BD and their .33% attach rate.[/quote]

BD has such strong studio support because they bought out the studios way before HD DVD could get in on it. They played it smart and are holding them to "contracts" that indicate that if they stay exclusive to BD, they get a bonus each month/year or whatever.

Fox should jump to HD DVD...at the rate we're going, some studios seem really confused on what to do. Fox seems to be one of them. It seems that they are really unsure of BD but that doesn't necesarily mean that they are sure of HD. They know that they make money selling DVD's but jumping to High-Def for them seems too far of a jump...That's my guess.
 
I think the reason studios have postponed titles is simple numbers. There just isn't enough sales to put older titles out there yet. New releases can't even bring in big sales yet. HD keeps coming out with titles, but there mostly Universal. BR has several studios fighting for those sales. HD does have an advantage there, if you want Universal titles. By years end when this war really gets going, studios that support BR will start releasing more and more classics. My question is why some of these old movies come to HD or BR? Is there really a need to see Dude Where's my Car in HD? Don't get me wrong there are some sci-fi titles such as the Star Wars trilogy and maybe a handful of action titles that I think would be great to see in hi def. I just don't see the need to re-purchase movies that really don't offer any wow factor for hi def. Once again just an opinion.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']1. They should have thought about that before their CES orgasm.
2. While understandable, they are fools if they thought something could not be decrypted. Regardless, who the hell wants to download a 25-50GB movie?
3. Again, they should have never had the CES orgasm saying how great the format was and how they through full support towards the BDA. I said the same thing when HD DVD has its lull for 3 months earlier this year. They made good on their promise, Fox, however, has not.

As for Disc replication, I find that excuse to be crap. If they had enough copies to make a 15 minute 'Spider-Man' preview disc then they should have had enough to make 'Dude, Wheres your Car?'.

Obviously I own 0 Fox movies on HD DVD, yet I do own several on Blu-Ray. If I had a choice, I'd prefer them in red cases.[/QUOTE]

Boy, you'd be the world's greatest after-the-fact analyst, wouldn't you?

Apparently you have forgotten that hindsight is 20/20, even for someone as blind as yourself. ;)

If anything else, the proximity between CES and their 'postponement' of titles (~4 weeks) leads credence to reason #2, that they are witholding support until better encryption comes about. It does so by more or less reducing the probability of reasons #1 and #3 from being likely scenarios. Of course, in your mind, they're just 'dumb,' since they weren't able to predict the future, whereas in your mind, you've successfully predicted the past. Kudos.

I can't figure you out; you own a PS3, yet you loathe not only the PS3, but also its game selection and BR movies as well? Why in the world would you own one, then?

EDIT: Let me also point out that Fox is correct to be wary of cracked BR encryption code. We're not going to be living in a world of 250GB disks forever, and by the time either format becomes the de facto norm, we'll be in an era of TB drives, which are much more friendly to holding BR video files. Think of your 120+GB hard drive on your computer now. How many DVD images can it hold? How long does it take to rip and burn a DVD? 25 minutes? That's the direction we're headed, because it's the direction we're always headed with computer technology. The relative lack of BR-equipped PCs should make decryption moot, far more than any lack of HD space. Of course, that won't be the case in just a few years. Unless you think that we'll be using DVD drives in our PCs in a few years. I have an iBook with a CD-ROM that would like to disagree with you, though.
 
eventually dual players will probably be the norm... that way my current hd or br disks do not go to waste...

Anyways there will always be a way to decrypt movies no matter what format.....

I probably would not spend the time downloading br rips... but i can easily make them myself.

It just turns out that the ps3 is opening the way to br piracy...to be fair the same can be said about the hd addon..

I have both and love messing with both,.. ive been able to successfully backup br and hd movies to my hard drive without any probs...

Heck piracy on dvd must be insane..

I think the earlier they release hd movies, the better their chances are of not losing more money on piracy... The longer they wait the worse i think
 
Nothing is totally safe from piracy... but I thought that most companies felt that blu ray was the safer option.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']Nothing is totally safe from piracy... but I thought that most companies felt that blu ray was the safer option.[/quote]
Nah, they both use the same type of protections I believe.
 
Even though both formats have been 'cracked', they are still much more harder and inconvenient to pirate when compared to DVD. There are far more households out there with the ability to download and burn DVDs vs the amount of households able to do the same with BR/HD. So, while the two formats aren't immune to piracy, they still do have that advantage.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Wow, I didn't know that there was such option for CAG. How do you search top posters? Also, I didn't think I'd be at top.

On topic: I agree with guyver2077 about HD DVD needing more support. We do have slimer pickings but we got quality vs quantity. I think the reason Blu-Ray's early films got such bad PQ reviews is because Sony knew that they would sell no matter what, they knew that they had exclusive titles that Blu-Ray owners would have no choice. They never saw HD DVD as a true competitor until now. They were months behind HD DVD on PQ and SQ now they are racing to get BR-J or whatever it called out the door to catch up again.[/QUOTE]

When you think about the numbers though that theory is, and take no offense here, a little short. HD outsold BD til about last December. And the whole bashing on BD was all about PQ vs HD. If anything they are now in the position you describe. Their lazy releases early on were probably all just bidding time for the PS3 launch (at least those from Sony) until they could get more players on the market that way. I think they saw HD DVD as a big competitor, but also knew they had a small ace in the hole so to speak.

And yes, HD certainly needs more support. Unlike whomever posted earlier I hate the thought of re-buying HD movies I already own. I don't even like the idea of paying $20-30 bucks for a movie I can buy for $5-10 in regular DVD. This is also a huge turnoff to the yet turned buying public, when they walk into a store and see Liar, Liar for $25 in HD, but then walk by the sale bin to see it in there for $8. Most people can't justify the near 400% price difference. And this is not by any means just a HD DVD problem either. It's both, however, Bd is ahead in this area and easy for me to tell when I'm selling an HD player to somebody and his wife tells me that it seems like "HD DVD has more older movies than the blue discs" (yeah she called it that). Some of that is due to HD only having a couple exclusive studios, but even Universal, Weinstien, et. al. (and Warner even)is skipping and delaying alot of what should be the new release titles.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']And yes, HD certainly needs more support. Unlike whomever posted earlier I hate the thought of re-buying HD movies I already own. I don't even like the idea of paying $20-30 bucks for a movie I can buy for $5-10 in regular DVD. This is also a huge turnoff to the yet turned buying public, when they walk into a store and see Liar, Liar for $25 in HD, but then walk by the sale bin to see it in there for $8. Most people can't justify the near 400% price difference. [/QUOTE]That only applies to older titles. I purchased Night at the Museum for $24.99 on Bluray disc. My mom purchased is the other day from Wal-Mart on DVD for $19.99. I'd rather pay $5 more for a full HD version now than wait for it to be cheaper and rebuy it.
 
[quote name='anomynous']Purple Rain gets dual TrueHD release

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...Dual_Blu-ray,_HD_DVD_Dolby_TrueHD_Release/680


very nice, and I actually like this movie, and I don't know why[/QUOTE]

I'd say it's because it's Prince, and he's fucking awesome. Besides, the music from this film was some of his best (and that's saying something). Glad to see it's coming out on Blu-Ray as well.

Which leads me to a question: why is Batman Begins, a Warner Bros franchise, on HD DVD only? Is Universal invested in it in some way?

In other news: http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=234

Fox Announces Titles for Japan

Posted June 4, 2007 by Josh

20th Century Fox Normally, we would not report on titles announced in Japan unless they were unique to that region, but with the current drought of Blu-ray titles from Fox, any announcement from them is huge. It appears that all BD+ issues have been worked out, and Fox will release 'The Sentinel' on July 6th followed by 'Night at the Museum' and 'Species' on August 3rd in Japan. Hopefully, new titles for the US will be announced soon as well.

Some of you will notice that 'Species' is up on the release list for Fox when Sony released the disc in the US. Fox acquired the rights to release MGM movies on Blu-ray after Sony had released a few titles from the catalog (including 'The Terminator' and 'The Last Waltz').
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Good news? Fox is back on board.
Bad news? These films have already been released in the states, so it's not evidence that Fox is going back to full speed with BR releases, and it's also not in the US for the moment.
 
Anyone know if the JPN import of "Paprika" has English subs?

Also either dual format will win or studios will go neutral and HD DVD will eventually win. The reason? Toshiba and Sony's fault. Toshiba's player prices are too cheap for other CE's to make a profit on them and Sony has price cut their players too low. Best situation for non-aligned CE's with BR hardware is to release a dual format player under the idea of value. If this doesn't work and HD DVD has taken off quite soon most exclusive studio's will go neutral.
Basically unless sales of BR really take off this Christmas I believe HD DVD will pull ahead in attach rates #'s even if not BR player #'s because of the PS3. If this happens it's dual format with a win down the road for BR or somewhat of a win if Universal decides to stay exclusive. Like I said though if it's not embraced most of the exclusives will go neutral.
 
how does the PS3 fair as a Blu-Ray player? I have an HDMI input on my TV, but only supports as high as 1080i.

I am considering turning into a dual-format supporter in the next couple months.
 
[quote name='asianxcore']how does the PS3 fair as a Blu-Ray player? I have an HDMI input on my TV, but only supports as high as 1080i.

I am considering turning into a dual-format supporter in the next couple months.[/quote]

Everyone seems to agree it's the best BD player out there at the moment.
 
Anyone else hoping that both survive, and that dual players become more standard? I've invested equal amounts of money in both formats, and honestly they're both great.
 
[quote name='dallow']Oooh, Children of Men coming to BD possibly?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=857666

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Except Blu-Ray has region locks.

-edit Actually that may fall under Region 1 so I could be wrong.

[quote name='Chris in Cali']Anyone else hoping that both survive, and that dual players become more standard? I've invested equal amounts of money in both formats, and honestly they're both great.[/QUOTE]

I do even though I don't own any Blu-Rays or a player yet.
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali']Anyone else hoping that both survive, and that dual players become more standard? I've invested equal amounts of money in both formats, and honestly they're both great.[/QUOTE]

Sadly, I think this will happen. The war is not ending any time soon, and combo players are coming A LOT sooner than I was hoping.

Personally, I don't see the point. I'd rather have my current format (blu-ray) lose, than be stuck with a two format war. Just seems like a waste to me. Sure they are both great formats, they are also extremely similar, and don't differ enough to where it is worth this dual-format nonsense.
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali']Anyone else hoping that both survive, and that dual players become more standard? I've invested equal amounts of money in both formats, and honestly they're both great.[/QUOTE]


Personally, I don't care if both survive, but I don't think its likely. The only benefit that blu ray hasn't really been used. [disc space]
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Good news? Fox is back on board.
Bad news? These films have already been released in the states, so it's not evidence that Fox is going back to full speed with BR releases, and it's also not in the US for the moment.[/QUOTE]

Good, I've been waiting for about 6-8 of the titles they announced out of the 30 or so that were delayed. However even if they announce stuff today, it won't be out at the earliest until the end of July given that stores would need to go through the proper procedure of pre-ordering etc.
 
[quote name='asianxcore']how does the PS3 fair as a Blu-Ray player? I have an HDMI input on my TV, but only supports as high as 1080i.

I am considering turning into a dual-format supporter in the next couple months.[/QUOTE]

PS3 is the best, and safest Blu-Ray player right now on the market. I would not consider getting anything else unless it comes out after October 31st, as thats when the promised BD-J will be finalized.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Good, I've been waiting for about 6-8 of the titles they announced out of the 30 or so that were delayed. However even if they announce stuff today, it won't be out at the earliest until the end of July given that stores would need to go through the proper procedure of pre-ordering etc.[/QUOTE]

Well, it's a step in the right direction, but they still haven't announced anything for the US yet. We'll wait and see.

On that note, I'm currently throwing a ticker-tape parade in my living room right now to celebrate that you wrote something nice about the PS3/Blu-Ray.
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali']Anyone else hoping that both survive, and that dual players become more standard? I've invested equal amounts of money in both formats, and honestly they're both great.[/quote]
yes, the longer theyre both around the more they compete. the more they compete the cheaper movies and players get & the better the encodes get.
 
The problem with Hd-DVD and Blu Ray is due to the fact that Best Buy is trying to make too much money off of them... 34.99 for almost every title, Circuit City act like neither format exists (at least in my CC). If amazon can get blu ray titles (i'm sayin blu ray cause that what I buy) down to 19.84, or less than 34.99, then best buy can do the same.
 
Anyone feel that BD/HD DVDs will get similar re-issues for deluxe editions, special editions, new masters, etc that we've seen from DVDs?
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']PS3 is the best, and safest Blu-Ray player right now on the market. I would not consider getting anything else unless it comes out after October 31st, as thats when the promised BD-J will be finalized.[/QUOTE]

October of this year?
 
[quote name='dallow']Anyone feel that BD/HD DVDs will get similar re-issues for deluxe editions, special editions, new masters, etc that we've seen from DVDs?[/quote] definitely. especially on many of the MPEG-2 BR titles.
 
[quote name='asianxcore']October of this year?[/QUOTE]

Yes, thats the deadline. The code was not finished when Blu-Ray launched last year so they have an entire year to 'work it out'. In the mean time, all the other standalone players may make nice door stoppers. Who knows if they will be able to handle the update, if any is issued to them. Stick with a PS3, its safe.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Well, it's a step in the right direction, but they still haven't announced anything for the US yet. We'll wait and see.

On that note, I'm currently throwing a ticker-tape parade in my living room right now to celebrate that you wrote something nice about the PS3/Blu-Ray.[/QUOTE]

I say nice things about Blu-Rays all the title. I own 25 or so titles and about 50 HD DVD. I support both formats and bitched when we did not get any new HD DVD titles for 3 damn months. The PS3, while a nice Blu-Ray player, is still a crappy gaming machine IMO. I have no interest in year old ports of 360 games or a re-release of an Xbox game from 3 years ago. As a Blu-Ray player its great, as a gaming console it sucks. The only time I have ever touched the controller is to play the Ninja Gaiden demo and to do the firmware updates. I fully plan on selling my PS3 when a BD-J compatible Blu-Ray/HD DVD combo player arrives. Take whatever you want out of context from the above, but those are my opinions, much like the opinions of other people that feel HD DVD is crap, Universal should release on Blu-Ray, Blu-Ray is superior etc. etc. etc.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Take whatever you want out of context from the above, but those are my opinions, much like the opinions of other people that feel HD DVD is crap, Universal should release on Blu-Ray, Blu-Ray is superior etc. etc. etc.[/QUOTE]

I think he knows what opinions are, he doesn't need examples of other people's opinions (like mine). I get the feeling you have a problem with me saying there should only be one format. Maybe I am looking too into your post, though. If I am, I apologize. There was really little reason for an example of an opinion, I'm pretty sure everyone here knows what an opinion is.

But, as far as my Universal going to BD statement, I still stand beside it. There are really a few outcomes of this 'war':
1) Blu-ray wins
2) HD-DVD wins
3) Both survive and we have a dual format war
4) Neither survive and DVD reigns supreme (Doubtful, but still possible)

To me, it seems smartest that at least one format win, instead of option 3 or 4 coming true. To me, I can't see the long term benefits of two formats competing. Initially, the war is great for prices and to push both formats to pull out the goods, but there comes a point where prices won't go down any farther.

Anyway, I am just curious as to what outcome you would want to see for this war. To me, it seems like you disagreed with me wanting one format, so I am assuming you want a dual format gen. But, please fill me in as to how you want this 'war' to end.

[quote name='GizmoGC']I support both formats and bitched when we did not get any new HD DVD titles for 3 damn months.[/QUOTE]

..actually, I remember a lot of BD attach rates being posted by you :)
 
I don't think that #4 is probable at all. I told myself as much in 1998, when I clung for dear life onto my VHS collection and swore that I'd never succumb to the market pressure to buy DVD.

Then I got a PS2 several years later.

Well, as soon as that happened, it was on like neckbone. I can't watch VHS films anymore because they're so awful looking.

Currently, I feel the same way about BR and DVD, though not as strong. BR looks phenomenal, and DVD looks just average. It's not as stunning as it was in 2001 or whenever the hell I got a PS2.

Look in your Sunday circulars, man. HD sets are right there around $400-600. They ain't 46" 1080p LCD dudes, but they are hitting the price stride. People will jump, and the holiday season of 2007 and 2008 will show that (HD set sales were huge this past holiday as well). So, eventually people will want something to show off their hot-shit TV; whether they find a new use for the PS3 they already own, or whether they see a $200 HD DVD player and jump on that like white on rice, or whether they do something else entirely, *eventually* all formats will come to an end.

Short story long, DVD will be around for a long fuckin' time, but beating out BR and HD? Not at all probable, IMO. Not at all.
 
[quote name='dpatel']I think he knows what opinions are, he doesn't need examples of other people's opinions (like mine). I get the feeling you have a problem with me saying there should only be one format. Maybe I am looking too into your post, though. If I am, I apologize. There was really little reason for an example of an opinion, I'm pretty sure everyone here knows what an opinion is.

But, as far as my Universal going to BD statement, I still stand beside it. There are really a few outcomes of this 'war':
1) Blu-ray wins
2) HD-DVD wins
3) Both survive and we have a dual format war
4) Neither survive and DVD reigns supreme (Doubtful, but still possible)

To me, it seems smartest that at least one format win, instead of option 3 or 4 coming true. To me, I can't see the long term benefits of two formats competing. Initially, the war is great for prices and to push both formats to pull out the goods, but there comes a point where prices won't go down any farther.

Anyway, I am just curious as to what outcome you would want to see for this war. To me, it seems like you disagreed with me wanting one format, so I am assuming you want a dual format gen. But, please fill me in as to how you want this 'war' to end.[/QUOTE]

I personally could careless if the format war ends or does not end. I have a player for each format and will not 'upgrade' my discs from a 'failing' format to the 'surviving' format if there is one (unless its a SE of the title). Both formats have their positives and negatives, and I simply prefer HD DVD because they have a more consistent PQ and I seem to be buying more Universal/Weinstein movies then Fox/Sony/Disney. I see how Blu-Ray could be an 'advantage' (50GB discs), but so far the extra 20GB has not impressed me at all. Why both Pirates needed 2 discs is beyond me, I would think with a 50GB it could hold all the content, but I guess not. I already have fucking disc rot on my 4 month old copy of 'The Prestige' something I thought could never happen because of the super-duper awesome coating on it. Guess the BDA was wrong. I'm also, no secret, not a fan of Sony, due to their more quality control with the PSX/PS2.

In conclusion, I really couldn't give two shits. I care more about the movies then what color cases they come in. So far, I own twice as many HD DVDs, and plan on purchasing many many more (at least 15 so far) over the Summer while I will be getting 1, maybe 2 Blu-Ray movies due to Fox going AWOL, Disney not releasing anything, and Sony not showing anything that great. When I have a choice over Blu-Ray or HD DVD, I get HD DVD. I know I have stated that many times before, but will go ahead and state it again.

Dpatel, my comments were not directed towards you at all. There are many people here, at DVD Talk, AVS etc.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']I personally could careless if the format war ends or does not end. I have a player for each format and will not 'upgrade' my discs from a 'failing' format to the 'surviving' format if there is one (unless its a SE of the title). [/QUOTE]

I realize some people, who have invested in both, don't care, but I still don't see the advantage of both formats winning. It is just screwing over a few million early adopters, and a waste to produce players that can read two formats, when a player that can read one format would work just as well.

These combo players, while they will most likely succeed, won't mean the end of BD/HD standalone players. So every BD/HD player sold until then just means a consumer will have a gimped player in the long run. I realize no matter what the outcome, someone is getting screwed, but this dual format war will pretty much screw over EVERY early adopter. The only people that seem to be in favor of this are like you and aren't really bothered by it.

[quote name='GizmoGC']Both formats have their positives and negatives, and I simply prefer HD DVD because they have a more consistent PQ and I seem to be buying more Universal/Weinstein movies then Fox/Sony/Disney. I see how Blu-Ray could be an 'advantage' (50GB discs), but so far the extra 20GB has not impressed me at all. Why both Pirates needed 2 discs is beyond me, I would think with a 50GB it could hold all the content, but I guess not.[/QUOTE]

Well PQ will can and will improve for either formats as technology progresses. HD-DVD does seem to have the advantage at this time, but I am talking about the long run of this HD/BD war. I can't see the codecs that HD-DVD is using just go to waste if the format were to fail. Whichever format succeeds will most likely get all the movies and the codes of the 'loser' format. the only thing that would not be able to 'transfer' to the winning format would be disc space. While you don't see advantages yet, it is a bit narrow minded to think extra space won't be helpful in the future.

If BD were to win and still remain inferior as far as movie selection (according to your tastes) and PQ is concerned, the I would see your point, but I can't see that happening. At first, the majority of BD movies looked worse than HD-DVD movies, but now it seems to be much less of a problem. I do acknowledge that this problem really isn't excusable, but, like we have seen, it is fixable (moreso than disc space).

[quote name='GizmoGC']In conclusion, I really couldn't give two shits. I care more about the movies then what color cases they come in. So far, I own twice as many HD DVDs, and plan on purchasing many many more (at least 15 so far) over the Summer while I will be getting 1, maybe 2 Blu-Ray movies due to Fox going AWOL, Disney not releasing anything, and Sony not showing anything that great. When I have a choice over Blu-Ray or HD DVD, I get HD DVD. I know I have stated that many times before, but will go ahead and state it again.[/QUOTE]

To me, it seems like all of your complaints are temporary, short term problems. In the long run, these will all be fixed, so I don't see the point of screwing over all early adopters so we can enjoy these 'short term benefits'.

I could care less what color case they come in, I just want them all to be the same color. I see NO advantages of a two format gen, and no one has yet to point any out to me. Sure it drives competition, which is great...to a point. Prices are already at a point where I think we could do away with competition and have one format die. Given the current state, BD winning would be the 'easiest'. When I say 'easiest' I mean it has less studio support, less hardware, less software, and less of a fanbase, so this outcome would lead to the least amount of people being screwed. If HD-DVD wins, so be it, just don't let them both succeed.

[quote name='GizmoGC']Dpatel, my comments were not directed towards you at all. There are many people here, at DVD Talk, AVS etc.[/QUOTE]

Alright. If that's the case, I apologize for calling you out, but I still wanted to hear your thoughts.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Short story long, DVD will be around for a long fuckin' time, but beating out BR and HD? Not at all probable, IMO. Not at all.[/QUOTE]

I agree it is highly unlikely. It is pretty much impossible, actually, but I just added it just in case.

I do see people wanting this to happen, which, in my opinion, is just stupid. The only complaints I see against HD/BD are the high prices, which will inevitably come down.
 
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