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[quote name='GizmoGC']So then we just toss out the 3.5 Million PS3s sold because not a single onecan be used as a Blu-Ray player?[/QUOTE]

I said do one or the other. It makes more sense than HD-DVDs method of including the PS3.

[quote name='GizmoGC']I would say mine with 25 movies would prove that to be wrong. However it looks like most, even Sony, tout that they have more Blu-Ray players sold, indicating that they are, in fact, counting the PS3 as a 100% Blu-Ray player. There will never be any way to really solve this issue, so just take both camps PR B.S. as you want. [/QUOTE]

Well, I think being consistent is really the only way to do it. But, if that doesn't favor your numbers, than use whichever method you want until you get numbers that satisfy you.

[quote name='GizmoGC']Its not like HD DVD is calling the format war over like Fox did 1 week after announcing a few titles :lol:[/QUOTE]

I'm not going to try and figure out who is the 'lesser of two evils'. To me, its pointless to swallow any of their BS, even if it is 'less BS' than the 'other side'.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Well, I think being consistent is really the only way to do it. But, if that doesn't favor your numbers, than use whichever method you want until you get numbers that satisfy you.[/QUOTE]

My numbers really through off the attach rate ratio.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']IIRC, the only time Sony counted a pack-in was Casino Royale in the UK.
But yes, both camps have so much PR B.S. its hard to take anything as being truth.[/QUOTE]

Correction, the only time we were notified of Sony counting a pack-in was Casino Royale.

If BDA is claiming victory in early 2007, and HD is spinning PS3 sales to favor their numbers, you can definitely bet they are going to use everything they can to favor their format. That is really to be expected. They are trying to sell their format, and what's more appealing than movie sales. The HD/BDA camps would be stupid NOT to include their pack ins, in my opinion.
 
[quote name='dpatel']That price point is definitely appealing, but the PS3, a major factor, is not being included (well, it is when talking about attach rates). To me, at this point it time, it makes little sense to invest in a standalone blu-ray player, and I imagine I'm not alone in this view.[/quote] well the PS3 is less meaningful that a stand alone player for the simple fact that people buy a stand alone player JUST to play movies. many people buy the PS3 JUST to play games. not all do, but many. that's why the attach rate for the PS3 is the number of PS3s sold per movie. instead of movies per PS3. go ask 10 random ppl on the street what a PS3 is; i'd be willing to bet 7 will tell you "no idea", 3 will tell you "video game console".

another example, they could have easily gone w/ "HD DVD Stand-alone players outpace S-a BR players by 500% from April-June"

2 months ago HD DVD players were 100k, BR players were 90k

now HD DVD players are 150k, BR players are 100k

stand alone HD DVD players have been selling at a 500% faster rate than BR players the last 2 months. why? because they've steadily been approaching that magic $200 mark.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Correction, the only time we were notified of Sony counting a pack-in was Casino Royale.

If BDA is claiming victory in early 2007, and HD is spinning PS3 sales to favor their numbers, you can definitely bet they are going to use everything they can to favor their format. That is really to be expected. They are trying to sell their format, and what's more appealing than movie sales. The HD/BDA camps would be stupid NOT to include their pack ins, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

I don't think they can though. If there not sold, how can all the little charts and graphs we get track them :lol:
 
[quote name='propeller_head']well the PS3 is less meaningful that a stand alone player for the simple fact that people buy a stand alone player JUST to play movies. many people buy the PS3 JUST to play games. not all do, but many. that's why the attach rate for the PS3 is the number of PS3s sold per movie. instead of movies per PS3. go ask 10 random ppl on the street what a PS3 is; i'd be willing to bet 7 will tell you "no idea", 3 will tell you "video game console".

another example, they could have easily gone w/ "HD DVD Stand-alone players outpace S-a BR players by 500% from April-June"

2 months ago HD DVD players were 100k, BR players were 90k

now HD DVD players are 150k, BR players are 100k

stand alone HD DVD players have been selling at a 500% faster rate than BR players the last 2 months. why? because they've steadily been approaching that magic $200 mark.[/QUOTE]

I see what you're saying, but, at the same time, you can go ask 10 random potential BD owners what player they would buy if they had to choose today. I am sure the majority would say the PS3.

[quote name='GizmoGC']I don't think they can though. If there not sold, how can all the little charts and graphs we get track them :lol:[/QUOTE]

Well, whatever player is having the 'bundle deal' can easily be tracked.
 
[quote name='dpatel']I see what you're saying, but, at the same time, you can go ask 10 random potential BD owners what player they would buy if they had to choose today. I am sure the majority would say the PS3.[/QUOTE]

If they said anything other then a PS3 I would just feel sorry for them. They spent how much on a potential useless player in 4 months?
 
I regret getting into this "war" too early. The players with the exception of the PS3 are all not up to par, they're glitchy, they're big, they're ugly, and they lack features of todays standard DVD players. They're pathetic. Next-gen movies shouldn't be just a small jump in picture quality, they players should have had more features, and have been more stable than there all are. They should have been just as good as high end current DVD players are, why do we have to regress back to the old style of big clunky unit from the original days of DVD?

I feel like we're the beta testers for what is to come, and we're paying out the ass for it. Some of my favorite movies I won't even pick up because of the bad quality transfers. A mix of both HD DVD and Blu-ray titles like Terminator 2, Total Recall, 40 Year Old Virgin, The Breakfast Club, The Punisher, Excalibur, Animal House, Talladega Nights, Christmas Vacation, Dazed and Confused, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Accepted, The Italian Job, 12 Monkeys, The Fifth Element, Jay and Silent Bob Strikeback, Employee of the Month, American Psycho, and Crash.

My Xbox 360 HD DVD player was giving me problems so I had to take it back today, and I really don't feel like spending another $300 for a standalone that's huge, and I have to make space for in my entertainment center. The PS3 was so ridiculously expensive, and has zero games, but at least it's the best player out of all the high-def players thus far IMO. Now, Sony appears to have no new releases coming on their format all the way through summer.

Neither side is giving us anything to be excited about. They're treating us like what we are, a niche market. It's sad that we all salivate at each crap catalog release they throw at us. Movies we would only buy on DVD for $4.99 in a bargin bin, we now paying $40 like suckers only to find the transfers are just marginally better than their DVD counterparts, and that broadcast HD is now seeming better than what it was supposed to blow it away.

I'm mean look at the tier lists, how many movies are in the top two tiers, and how many are in the bottom two? It's fucked up. Every release should be in the damn top two for what we're paying, and what we were promised. "The look and sound of perfect," "Expierence it on Blu-ray." What BS.

I know not everything is bad, but for what we're paying and what we're promsied, not enough is good.
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali']I regret getting into this "war" too early. The players with the exception of the PS3 are all not up to par, they're glitchy, they're big, they're ugly, and they lack features of todays standard DVD players. They're pathetic. Next-gen movies shouldn't be just a small jump in picture quality, they players should have had more features, and have been more stable than there all are. They should have been just as good as high end current DVD players are, why do we have to regress back to the old style of big clunky unit from the original days of DVD?

I feel like we're the beta testers for what is to come, and we're paying out the ass for it. Some of my favorite movies I won't even pick up because of the bad quality transfers. A mix of both HD DVD and Blu-ray titles like Terminator 2, Total Recall, 40 Year Old Virgin, The Breakfast Club, The Punisher, Excalibur, Animal House, Talladega Nights, Christmas Vacation, Dazed and Confused, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Accepted, The Italian Job, 12 Monkeys, The Fifth Element, Jay and Silent Bob Strikeback, Employee of the Month, American Psycho, and Crash.

My Xbox 360 HD DVD player was giving me problems so I had to take it back today, and I really don't feel like spending another $300 for a standalone that's huge, and I have to make space for in my entertainment center. The PS3 was so ridiculously expensive, and has zero games, but at least it's the best player out of all the high-def players thus far IMO. Now, Sony appears to have no new releases coming on their format all the way through summer.

Neither side is giving us anything to be excited about. They're treating us like what we are, a niche market. It's sad that we all salivate at each crap catalog release they throw at us. Movies we would only buy on DVD for $4.99 in a bargin bin, we now paying $40 like suckers only to find the transfers are just marginally better than their DVD counterparts, and that broadcast HD is now seeming better than what it was supposed to blow it away.

I'm mean look at the tier lists, how many movies are in the top two tiers, and how many are in the bottom two? It's fucked up. Every release should be in the damn top two for what we're paying, and what we were promised. "The look and sound of perfect," "Expierence it on Blu-ray." What BS.[/quote]

I agree with teh PQ part but that is really starting to change recently as most of the new Blu-ray Movies that have come out I heard look a lot better. And anyone not salivating at 300 on July 31st is just stupid. And yes, I am also mad that Blu-ray cancelled most of it's big catalog titles like The Rock and Con-Air, but ohh well.
 
[quote name='dpatel']That price point is definitely appealing, but the PS3, a major factor, is not being included (well, it is when talking about attach rates). To me, at this point it time, it makes little sense to invest in a standalone blu-ray player, and I imagine I'm not alone in this view.[/quote] well the PS3 is less meaningful that a stand alone player for the simple fact that people buy a stand alone player just to play movies. many people buy the PS3 just to play games. not all do, but many. that's why the attach rate for the PS3 is the number of PS3s sold per movie. instead of movies per PS3. go ask 10 random ppl on the street what a PS3 is; i'd be willing to bet 7 will tell you "no idea", 3 will tell you "video game console".

another example, they could have easily gone w/ "HD DVD Stand-alone players outpace S-a BR players by 500% from April-June"

2 months ago HD DVD players were 100k, BR players were 90k

now HD DVD players are 150k, BR players are 100k

stand alone HD DVD players have been selling at a 500% faster rate than BR players the last 2 months. why? because they've steadily been approaching that magic $200 mark.
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali']I regret getting into this "war" too early. The players with the exception of the PS3 are all not up to par, they're glitchy, they're big, they're ugly, and they lack features of todays standard DVD players. They're pathetic. Next-gen movies shouldn't be just a small jump in picture quality, they players should have had more features, and have been more stable than there all are. They should have been just as good as high end current DVD players are, why do we have to regress back to the old style of big clunky unit from the original days of DVD?

I feel like we're the beta testers for what is to come, and we're paying out the ass for it. Some of my favorite movies I won't even pick up because of the bad quality transfers. A mix of both HD DVD and Blu-ray titles like Terminator 2, Total Recall, 40 Year Old Virgin, The Breakfast Club, The Punisher, Excalibur, Animal House, Talladega Nights, Christmas Vacation, Dazed and Confused, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Accepted, The Italian Job, 12 Monkeys, The Fifth Element, Jay and Silent Bob Strikeback, Employee of the Month, American Psycho, and Crash.

My Xbox 360 HD DVD player was giving me problems so I had to take it back today, and I really don't feel like spending another $300 for a standalone that's huge, and I have to make space for in my entertainment center. The PS3 was so ridiculously expensive, and has zero games, but at least it's the best player out of all the high-def players thus far IMO. Now, Sony appears to have no new releases coming on their format all the way through summer.

Neither side is giving us anything to be excited about. They're treating us like what we are, a niche market. It's sad that we all salivate at each crap catalog release they throw at us. Movies we would only buy on DVD for $4.99 in a bargin bin, we now paying $40 like suckers only to find the transfers are just marginally better than their DVD counterparts, and that broadcast HD is now seeming better than what it was supposed to blow it away.

I'm mean look at the tier lists, how many movies are in the top two tiers, and how many are in the bottom two? It's fucked up. Every release should be in the damn top two for what we're paying, and what we were promised. "The look and sound of perfect," "Expierence it on Blu-ray." What BS.

I know not everything is bad, but for what we're paying and what we're promsied, not enough is good.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree, but this is the price we pay as early adopters. This is true for all products, and I definitely expected this when I bought my PS3. Everyone who buys a console on Day 1 is lacking many features and games that will come in the future, and they are paying more for the console, than someone who buys that same console 2-3 years down the line (when it will have more features and games).

I'm just a sucker for new technology, and while I'm not happy with the current state of either formats, I'm still content with my decision to adopt early.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']well the PS3 is less meaningful that a stand alone player for the simple fact that people buy a stand alone player just to play movies. many people buy the PS3 just to play games. not all do, but many. that's why the attach rate for the PS3 is the number of PS3s sold per movie. instead of movies per PS3. go ask 10 random ppl on the street what a PS3 is; i'd be willing to bet 7 will tell you "no idea", 3 will tell you "video game console".[/quote]

I see what you're saying, but, at the same time, you can go ask 10 random potential BD owners what player they would buy if they had to choose today. I am sure the majority would say the PS3.

But yea, 3 million + standalone BD players would be way more meaningful than 3mill+ PS3s sold. Still, just because not all PS3s are being used for BD playback doesn't discount the fact that it does rank among the top players in terms of sales and quality.

[quote name='propeller_head']another example, they could have easily gone w/ "HD DVD Stand-alone players outpace S-a BR players by 500% from April-June"

2 months ago HD DVD players were 100k, BR players were 90k

now HD DVD players are 150k, BR players are 100k

stand alone HD DVD players have been selling at a 500% faster rate than BR players the last 2 months. why? because they've steadily been approaching that magic $200 mark.[/QUOTE]

I'm assuming you are not including PS3 sales. Like I said before, to me, and many others, the PS3 seems like the most logical choice for a BD player, at this time. Maybe when standlone BD prices drop, we'll see those sales pick up, but, for now, the PS3 is taking away from standalone BD player sales, and with good reason. So, while BD standalone players may be getting killed by HD-DVD standalone players, we are completely ignoring the PS3. But, like you already said, we don't know how many of those are being used as players. This same problem occurs when it comes to attach rate, so really, if you want an accurate figure as to how the two formats are fairing, I'd say the best measure would be overall movie sales. Last I checked, the two seemed to be about even, but I'm not sure.
 
Actually the sales figures are going toward BR. BR keeps outselling HD every month since the beginning of the year. Seeing that that's when the PS3 hit, I'd say the PS3 is more than likely the preferred BR player.
 
[quote name='dpatel']I see what you're saying, but, at the same time, you can go ask 10 random potential BD owners what player they would buy if they had to choose today. I am sure the majority would say the PS3.

But yea, 3 million + standalone BD players would be way more meaningful than 3mill+ PS3s sold. Still, just because not all PS3s are being used for BD playback doesn't discount the fact that it does rank among the top players in terms of sales and quality.



I'm assuming you are not including PS3 sales. Like I said before, to me, and many others, the PS3 seems like the most logical choice for a BD player, at this time. Maybe when standlone BD prices drop, we'll see those sales pick up, but, for now, the PS3 is taking away from standalone BD player sales, and with good reason. So, while BD standalone players may be getting killed by HD-DVD standalone players, we are completely ignoring the PS3. But, like you already said, we don't know how many of those are being used as players. This same problem occurs when it comes to attach rate, so really, if you want an accurate figure as to how the two formats are fairing, I'd say the best measure would be overall movie sales. Last I checked, the two seemed to be about even, but I'm not sure.[/quote]
well a potential BR customer is also a potential HD DVD customer too. if they havent already spent $600-1,000 on a player they probably wont anytime in the near future and are waiting for a more reasonable price. i dont really see sales of players jumping in the already informed yet financially cautious demographic until there are sub $400 dual format players. maybe samsungs will be by dec. BR is still leading HD DVD in movie sales by i think 7-8%, its been back and forth by about a % since april. not a huge margin but a margin nonetheless. either way, the impulse buys by the masses are still a ways a way. players need to hit at least sub $200 MSRP and movies have to be had for under $25 in B&M stores.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']well a potential BR customer is also a potential HD DVD customer too. if they havent already spent $600-1,000 on a player they probably wont anytime in the near future and are waiting for a more reasonable price.[/QUOTE]

Of course, but I was saying, hypothetically, if you were to ask someone who was dead set on getting BD, what player they would want. The most logical choice, at this time, would be the PS3.

[quote name='millrat1030']I keep seeing figures saying BR makes up 70% of hi def discs sales, where is this coming from?[/QUOTE]

I remember that figure released for the first quarter of 2007. It was released from the BDA camp, so I have no idea how accurate it is.
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali']I regret getting into this "war" too early. The players with the exception of the PS3 are all not up to par, they're glitchy, they're big, they're ugly, and they lack features of todays standard DVD players. They're pathetic. Next-gen movies shouldn't be just a small jump in picture quality, they players should have had more features, and have been more stable than there all are. They should have been just as good as high end current DVD players are, why do we have to regress back to the old style of big clunky unit from the original days of DVD?

I feel like we're the beta testers for what is to come, and we're paying out the ass for it. Some of my favorite movies I won't even pick up because of the bad quality transfers. A mix of both HD DVD and Blu-ray titles like Terminator 2, Total Recall, 40 Year Old Virgin, The Breakfast Club, The Punisher, Excalibur, Animal House, Talladega Nights, Christmas Vacation, Dazed and Confused, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Accepted, The Italian Job, 12 Monkeys, The Fifth Element, Jay and Silent Bob Strikeback, Employee of the Month, American Psycho, and Crash.

My Xbox 360 HD DVD player was giving me problems so I had to take it back today, and I really don't feel like spending another $300 for a standalone that's huge, and I have to make space for in my entertainment center. The PS3 was so ridiculously expensive, and has zero games, but at least it's the best player out of all the high-def players thus far IMO. Now, Sony appears to have no new releases coming on their format all the way through summer.

Neither side is giving us anything to be excited about. They're treating us like what we are, a niche market. It's sad that we all salivate at each crap catalog release they throw at us. Movies we would only buy on DVD for $4.99 in a bargin bin, we now paying $40 like suckers only to find the transfers are just marginally better than their DVD counterparts, and that broadcast HD is now seeming better than what it was supposed to blow it away.

I'm mean look at the tier lists, how many movies are in the top two tiers, and how many are in the bottom two? It's fucked up. Every release should be in the damn top two for what we're paying, and what we were promised. "The look and sound of perfect," "Expierence it on Blu-ray." What BS.

I know not everything is bad, but for what we're paying and what we're promsied, not enough is good.[/QUOTE]

Part of me agrees with you, but then the other part of me snapped to and realized you complain about everything you buy after awhile. And no offense intended, but seriously you should maybe consider stop being an early adopter of technology man as you always seem disappointed. Personally I like what I've done here. I went dual format for under $800 (which was my goal) and I enjoy the movies I bought. Now I take a different approach than most here maybe. I don't rebuy movies too often (I've allotted no more than 10 for each format) and I certainly don't care much for catalog releases unless it's something I've always wanted to own but didn't (and with my existing DVD collection that's a pretty small number of titles). I do however really enjoy and don't regret the buying decisions I have made in this format war thus far.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=251

9 out of 10 HD discs sold in Australia from January through March were Blu-Ray. Now, the overall number of discs sold is really low (6,000), but that means only 600 HD DVD movies were sold in Australia in that time compared to 5,400 BR movies.[/QUOTE]

:applause:
Sony just WON the Format War. HD DVD but now give up. :lol:

I think if everyone from CAG added all their Blu-Ray movies they own up we would have more then every in Australia!

So 5,400 discs...in 3 months....1,800 a month, or if an average month has 30 days that would be 60 a day!
 
This is pretty funny...

Apparently some people on Amazon are buying the HD DVD version of Planet Earth not knowing that it won't play in their K-Mart DVD Player. Apparently the $20 price increase, different color cases, and everything else just confused them.

By Tewfik Benredjeb "Tewfik" (Minneapolis) - See all my reviews
I had to return the HD DVD because i don't have a HD DVD Player.I reordered Planet earth's DVD with no problem.I received my credit.The service was fast and good.Thank you.This was my 1st order thru Amazon.com and it would'nt be the last.

By Justin M. Griffin - See all my reviews
I am mainly writing this out of disgust for the stupidity of some people. This is an excellent program with some of the best HD visuals you will see currently on the market. For those of you stupid enough to not understand that you must have an HD player to play an HD DVD...well... go back to your caves and get a clue! It has noting to do with the show so why would you give an excellent program a bad review because you are to stupid to buy the right format...hey I got a bunch of VHS tapes if you wanna try those on your DVD player...

By Elaine E. Paasch - See all my reviews
Real rating is a minus 30! I was unable to access the DVD on ANY player! I took it to Best Buy, and they said it will not work in any player they have in stock and are unable to program any player to play the DVD. It was a total waste of money and a horrible experience with Amazon because they will not help in any way to correct the problem.

By Charles A. Jacques "Tony" (S.C.) - See all my reviews
I Purchased the HD DVD to finf out that it would not work in my DVD Player. I could not return It because it was opened but not used. How are you supose to know it a thing works if you don't open it. So your return is not worth a dime! I ored the regular DVD and Found that all one needs is DVD one. The outher four DVD Has the same things as on the first DVD.

By Dwight F. Entwistle (satellite beach, florida United States) - See all my reviews
I ORDERED THIS ITEM WITH GREAT ENTHUSIASM. MUCH TO MY SURPRISE, MY DVD PLAYER COULD NOT PLAY AND IT AND I WAS ADVISED TO CONTACT THE MANUFACTURER FOR "FIRMWARE OR SOFTWARE" UPDATES. THE MANUFACTURER WAS OF NO HELP AT ALL BECAUSE, AS IT TURNED OUT, THEY DO NOT MAKE THE NECESSARY HARDWARE. SO FAR, I HAVE HAD TO BUY A NEW "BLUE LASER" DVD PLAYER AT A COST OF $500 (AND AT THAT I AM BETTING ON HD DVD AS OPPOSED TO BLU RAY) PLUS A $138 REMOTE TO PLAY THE HD DVD WITH MY EXIXTING HD TV AND MY CURRENT $600 AV RECEIVER SO I WON'T HAVE TO SPENT $800 OR MORE FOR A MORE ADVANCED AV RECEIVER. OF COURSE I COULD HAVE RETURNED THE PLANET EARTH DVD SET AND GOTTEN A REGULAR RED LASER SET FOR POSTAGE COST, BUT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE "NEWEST" TECHNOLOGY. WHAT'S NEXT? ALL THIS IS JUST VENTING! THANKS FOR LISTENING. POINT: I DO FEEL YOU SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED A CAVEAT SOMETHING LIKE "THIS HD DVD SET WILL NOT PLAY ON YOUR CURRENT DVD PLAYER. PERIOD!!" YOU WOULD BE CORRECT 99.9+% OF THE TIME.

By T. Shelton - See all my reviews
I thought since I have a high def TV that this would work but apparently you have to have a high def DVD player to play this dvd. I couldn't use or play this so I had to return it. I will be buying the regular dvd though.

By Francesca Matterhorn "skeptic" (WA) - See all my reviews
Thanks to Amazon's pathetic scheme, I now own an HD DVD format piece of plastic. It was very deceiving of them to have the HD formatted DVD as the first choice in a search on this series. So I'm out almost $80 because I took the plastic off... I now know that an HD DVD is not only a different format, but is being compared to laserdiscs, so don't bother buying this version of Planet Earth or an HD DVD player for that matter.

By Jeffery C. Ottesen "Jeff" (Juneau, AK) - See all my reviews
I've given the Planet Earth DVD 5 stars because the cable broadcast of the work is so compelling. I can only wait to actually see it in High Definition. Alas, that is the rest of this story.

Owning a shiny new HD TV (Sony Bravia) and a tenured DVD player I opted to purchase the HD version of the Planet Earth series. Here is where I made my mistake (and Amazon too!)

I did not understand that only HD DVD players can play a HD DVD. Your ordinary DVD player simply can't read the new technology on the HD DVD. Period.

OK, it does say so, in the very fine print on the back of the DVD case. Why with 10X reading glasses I might have even noticed. But no where on the ordering process on teh Amazon web site is this requirement brought to my attention.

Sure, snicker, you video-philes who are early adopters and know this implicitly. But trust me, I have talked to at least a dozen people who like me didn't have a clue. And not one person I have discussed this with was aware of the DVD shortcoming with HD DVD format.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']:applause:
Sony just WON the Format War. HD DVD but now give up. :lol:

I think if everyone from CAG added all their Blu-Ray movies they own up we would have more then every in Australia!

So 5,400 discs...in 3 months....1,800 a month, or if an average month has 30 days that would be 60 a day![/QUOTE]

As I *said*, it was a low amount. That same laughable 60 discs per day becomes 6.67 discs per day for HD DVD. Now that's :lol: worthy.
 
I wonder how many HD DVD sales are actually just people buying it thinking it's a super DVD?

BD sales figures are even better! ;)
 
:rofl:

Bunch of hick retards...I bought HD DVD because my TV has HD....but it doesn't work on my regular DVD player...WTF!!!!

That's fucking hilarious. Thanks for the laughs GizmoGC
 
I particularly like this double-stupid:

I Purchased the HD DVD to finf out that it would not work in my DVD Player. I could not return It because it was opened but not used. How are you supose to know it a thing works if you don't open it. So your return is not worth a dime! I ored the regular DVD and Found that all one needs is DVD one. The outher four DVD Has the same things as on the first DVD.
Click to expand...

So not only does he not know he needs an HD DVD player, once he got the regular DVD set, he can't tell the difference between the "Mountains" and "Deserts" episodes? Dope.
 
Does Amazon monitor the user reviews at all? I wanna leave a comment there on how stupid these people are. How fucking retarded are these people? There's a fucking sticker on HD-only releases that indicates you need an HD-DVD player to play the damn discs. fucking retards.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']:applause:
Sony just WON the Format War. HD DVD but now give up. :lol:

I think if everyone from CAG added all their Blu-Ray movies they own up we would have more then every in Australia!

So 5,400 discs...in 3 months....1,800 a month, or if an average month has 30 days that would be 60 a day![/QUOTE]

I just have to :lol:

[quote name='GizmoGC']Members of the AVS HD DVD forum made yesterday 'Buy an HD DVD at Amazon day'. The Blu-Ray camp did as well soon after...but it didn't help. HD DVD Crushed Blu-Ray yesterday in sales, which is still trickeling over today. Planet Earth on HD DVD currently holds the #5 spot, and is the #1 selling "next gen" disc beating Casino Royale but 2 spots (as per how high on the charts it got). Pretty impressive for $70 educational boxset vs. a $25 popcorn movie. Even before the sale the HD DVD version was outselling the Blu-Ray buy 5-20 spots.[/QUOTE]

When HD-DVD beats BD by an insignificant amount, they are crushing BD, when it's the other way around, it's not important.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=251

9 out of 10 HD discs sold in Australia from January through March were Blu-Ray. Now, the overall number of discs sold is really low (6,000), but that means only 600 HD DVD movies were sold in Australia in that time compared to 5,400 BR movies.[/QUOTE]

Pretty insignificant, and probably skewed numbers, seeing as how it is from the BDA camp. It is interesting, and weird, to see a territory behind one format so early though. In all other territories, the two formats seem about even. But, this is really too insignificant to even matter, although, if the trend does stay this way, it will be very beneficial to BD.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Pretty insignificant, and probably skewed numbers, seeing as how it is from the BDA camp. It is interesting, and weird, to see a territory behind one format so early though. In all other territories, the two formats seem about even. But, this is really too insignificant to even matter, although, if the trend does stay this way, it will be very beneficial to BD.[/quote]

This is not a shock to me, as most of the HD players bought in Austrailia are most likely PS3's.
 
Yea, but I imagine that HD-DVD has just as many players priced the same as everywhere else (relative to their local economy), yet Australia seems to be gravitating more towards BD. The PS3 is available worldwide (and has been in Japan and NA much longer than Australia), yet BD and HD are about even everywhere else. Just seems strange to me.
 
:lol:

That is really the only thing that makes sense. To me, neither format has too much going for it right now that would cause such a difference in sales, so I am curious as to why Australia seems to be gravitating towards BD.
 
[quote name='dpatel']:lol:

That is really the only thing that makes sense. To me, neither format has too much going for it right now that would cause such a difference in sales, so I am curious as to why Australia seems to be gravitating towards BD.[/quote]


Well, I agree with you, However Pirates are a popular franchise and the main thing Blu-ray has going for it is the PS3.
 
Yea, but Pirates is popular worldwide, and the PS3 is also available worldwide, but only Australia seems to have these lob sided results.
 
[quote name='dpatel']:lol:

That is really the only thing that makes sense. To me, neither format has too much going for it right now that would cause such a difference in sales, so I am curious as to why Australia seems to be gravitating towards BD.[/quote] because there arent many HD DVDs for sale there. there arent many BDs for sale either for that matter. its like how the US looked last june except reversed. a friend of mine who's a dentist down under, lives in melbourne & is pretty into hi-fi said the only place he can even find them for sale is at EzyDVD. and by looking online they only carry 17 HD DVDs and 46 BR movies/shows/etc.. if that's their online selection i have to wonder whats available at the actual store. also even the HD DVD add on for the 360 wasnt available for purchase until a month ago, and even then no1s been carrying it. so all that really exists for players is the overpriced PS3, or the outdated overpriced HD-E1. not hard to figure out why sales are so low.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Europe and Austrailia are Sony land. ;-)[/quote]
i was under the impression europe was a tie. it went BR heavily after the PS3 launch but then evened out. most european studios are also releasing on HD DVD. there have been a couple BR releases but the large majority have been HD DVD.


something else the Au numbers seem to be overlooking is, importing. HD DVD has no region coding; and since the available titles are so meak in Au many ppl who spent the bucks on a player are importing movies from japan or Eu.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']because there arent many HD DVDs for sale there. there arent many BDs for sale either for that matter. its like how the US looked last june except reversed. a friend of mine who's a dentist down under, lives in melbourne & is pretty into hi-fi said the only place he can even find them for sale is at EzyDVD. and by looking online they only carry 17 HD DVDs and 46 BR movies/shows/etc.. if that's their online selection i have to wonder whats available at the actual store. also even the HD DVD add on for the 360 wasnt available for purchase until a month ago, and even then no1s been carrying it. so all that really exists for players is the overpriced PS3, or the outdated overpriced HD-E1. not hard to figure out why sales are so low.[/QUOTE]

Ah ok. I didn't know this. That makes much more sense.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']something else the Au numbers seem to be overlooking is, importing. HD DVD has no region coding; and since the available titles are so meak in Au many ppl who spent the bucks on a player are importing movies from japan or Eu.[/QUOTE]

Source please?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Source please?[/quote]
what do you mean source? its common sense. take the US for example, there are tons of HD DVDs available. more than anywhere else, yet ppl still import. now take tons available and change that to, a little over a dozen. and change available for reasonable price and change that to jacked up retail. what do you think is gunna happen? im not going by any NPD study, but it is fairly obvious & i do know ppl who live there and do it who think it's perfectly normal. dont beleive me, go find an Au AV forum and read around.
 
Well, I think I'm moving towards being a Blu-ray only guy. It's funny because I started out supporting HD DVD 100%, and I hate Sony's business practices. I owned an HD DVD player first, and never thought about going Blu-Ray, ever. Then I saw all these movies that I wanted, and couldn't have.... so I had to go format neutral. Then my Xbox 360 HD DVD player was giving me problems, so I had to return it. Now, I hate to say it but Blu-Ray releases are seeing slightly better quality transfers lately than HD DVD for the movies I like, and overall I feel Blu-ray is a better option than HD DVD.

Neither format is doing paticularly well, and if HD movies is going to become a real factor, then one format needs to win. Blu-ray really is the better product with larger storage, and the PS3 being (IMO) the best HD player on the market. It's just is a more complete product. So now, I think I'll be buying Universal movies on good old DVD and watch them on my upscaling player, and get my other movies on Blu-ray. I hated seeing Blu-rays for $19.99, and HD DVD combos for $39.99 in stores, the combos need to stop. Unless HD DVD somehow turns things around, or the quality improves and the prices go down I'm done with it. I'm still keeping all eight HD DVDs that I've purchased just in case when Hot Fuzz comes out that I have a massive craving to see it in HD and get a player impulsively.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']what do you mean source? its common sense. take the US for example, there are tons of HD DVDs available. more than anywhere else, yet ppl still import. now take tons available and change that to, a little over a dozen. and change available for reasonable price and change that to jacked up retail. what do you think is gunna happen? im not going by any NPD study, but it is fairly obvious & i do know ppl who live there and do it who think it's perfectly normal. dont beleive me, go find an Au AV forum and read around.[/QUOTE]

I'm just saying it's mere conjecture to assume a large number of people are importing. Keep in mind that you're dealing with a self-selecting sample on web forums - these aren't your everyday HD video buyers (those who will adopt when they hit $200 for players); they are AV-philes, and of course they'll import. I'm sure if you ask CAGs if they import (EDIT: import video games, I mean), and compare that % to the % of game-system owners who import, you'll find a *vastly* different percentage that shows just what a minority of gamers we here at CAG are. The same can be said of HD-philes in Australia, particularly when they are averaging under 7 copies of films sold per day. That's a self-selecting population if there ever was one.

In addition, one must consider how self-defeating it is to import, at least in the sense that, by conjecturing, as you have done, that we're seeing 600 movies sold in 3 months because all HD DVD buyers are importing, they're still harming themselves. Who wants to release a video in Australia? Put it out in Japan/Korea/China instead! They'll buy it anywhere! And, then, you realize the folly of buying outside your market - when HD DVD no longer is sold in Australia because they can't sell more than 7 copies per day, the folly of the "overabundant importer" will be fully realized.

Of course, that's ONLY if you're right about how large importing is. I still think that you're making a foolishly general estimate about importers via conversations among a handful of Australians on a message board dedicated to HD video. Turning anecdotes into data, if you will, which is a more substantial magic trick than David Copperfield could pull off.

[quote name='Chris in Cali']HD DVD combos for $39.99[/QUOTE]

What godforsaken store is trying to sell videos for $40? I haven't bought any BR movie for over $20 (except Planet Earth, of course, and Casino Royale) - I flat-out refuse to buy them at Best Buy, where I have seen a few as high at $30. I don't think I've ever seen any for $35-40. That's fucking insane.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']


What godforsaken store is trying to sell videos for $40? I haven't bought any BR movie for over $20 (except Planet Earth, of course, and Casino Royale) - I flat-out refuse to buy them at Best Buy, where I have seen a few as high at $30. I don't think I've ever seen any for $35-40. That's fucking insane.[/QUOTE]


Best Buy and Circuit City have a few titles for $35-40 for combo discs.


OT, but damn Rescue Me looks good on blu-ray.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm just saying it's mere conjecture to assume a large number of people are importing. Keep in mind that you're dealing with a self-selecting sample on web forums - these aren't your everyday HD video buyers (those who will adopt when they hit $200 for players); they are AV-philes, and of course they'll import. I'm sure if you ask CAGs if they import (EDIT: import video games, I mean), and compare that % to the % of game-system owners who import, you'll find a *vastly* different percentage that shows just what a minority of gamers we here at CAG are. The same can be said of HD-philes in Australia, particularly when they are averaging under 7 copies of films sold per day. That's a self-selecting population if there ever was one.

In addition, one must consider how self-defeating it is to import, at least in the sense that, by conjecturing, as you have done, that we're seeing 600 movies sold in 3 months because all HD DVD buyers are importing, they're still harming themselves. Who wants to release a video in Australia? Put it out in Japan/Korea/China instead! They'll buy it anywhere! And, then, you realize the folly of buying outside your market - when HD DVD no longer is sold in Australia because they can't sell more than 7 copies per day, the folly of the "overabundant importer" will be fully realized.

Of course, that's ONLY if you're right about how large importing is. I still think that you're making a foolishly general estimate about importers via conversations among a handful of Australians on a message board dedicated to HD video. Turning anecdotes into data, if you will, which is a more substantial magic trick than David Copperfield could pull off.[/quote]
well if you spent 5 mins looking it up you would find that even buying combo discs (which apparenty dont exist in Au). even w/ S&H charges. its still about $10USD cheaper to buy/import just 3 (not on sale) HD DVDs to Au vs getting them at Aus largest distributer. i used The departed, babel, & children of men in my quick comparison. xe.com amazon.com ezydvd.com.au
shipping is probably faster/easier from japan but i cant read japanese.

and of course theyre AV enthusiasts. every1 in Au w/ a HD player at this point is. the toshiba HD-E1 player (which is essentially a HD-A1 player) costs USD $820 there, the PS3 $840. there arent many discs available (on both formats) simply because there isnt a large enough install base to justify the shelf space. that doesnt mean it will always be that way.

i swear, all your posts you drone on endlessly w/ fluff for no reason when you could simply sum it all up in a couple sentences. you could have just said "People on forums tend to be more up to date & savvy, only people savvy would import, those ppl dont mean anything when the masses adopt." thats basically everything you said. except you didnt take into account that when masses adopt markets change. and theres a reason there are so few discs out now; and that reason would inherently not exist when the masses adopt.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm just saying it's mere conjecture to assume a large number of people are importing. Keep in mind that you're dealing with a self-selecting sample on web forums - these aren't your everyday HD video buyers (those who will adopt when they hit $200 for players); they are AV-philes, and of course they'll import. I'm sure if you ask CAGs if they import (EDIT: import video games, I mean), and compare that % to the % of game-system owners who import, you'll find a *vastly* different percentage that shows just what a minority of gamers we here at CAG are. The same can be said of HD-philes in Australia, particularly when they are averaging under 7 copies of films sold per day. That's a self-selecting population if there ever was one.

In addition, one must consider how self-defeating it is to import, at least in the sense that, by conjecturing, as you have done, that we're seeing 600 movies sold in 3 months because all HD DVD buyers are importing, they're still harming themselves. Who wants to release a video in Australia? Put it out in Japan/Korea/China instead! They'll buy it anywhere! And, then, you realize the folly of buying outside your market - when HD DVD no longer is sold in Australia because they can't sell more than 7 copies per day, the folly of the "overabundant importer" will be fully realized.

Of course, that's ONLY if you're right about how large importing is. I still think that you're making a foolishly general estimate about importers via conversations among a handful of Australians on a message board dedicated to HD video. Turning anecdotes into data, if you will, which is a more substantial magic trick than David Copperfield could pull off.[/quote]
well if you spent 5 mins looking it up you would find that even buying combo discs (which apparenty dont exist in Au). even w/ S&H charges. its still about $10USD cheaper to buy/import just 3 (not on sale) HD DVDs to Au vs getting them at Aus largest distributer. i used The departed, babel, & children of men in my quick comparison. xe.com amazon.com ezydvd.com.au
shipping is probably faster/easier from japan but i cant read japanese.

and of course theyre AV enthusiasts. every1 in Au w/ a HD player at this point is. the toshiba HD-E1 player (which is essentially a HD-A1 player) costs USD $820 there, the PS3 $840. there arent many discs available (on both formats) simply because there isnt a large enough install base to justify the shelf space. that doesnt mean it will always be that way.

i swear, all your posts you drone on endlessly w/ fluff for no reason when you could simply sum it all up in a couple sentences. you could have just said "People on forums tend to be more up to date & savvy, only people savvy would import, those ppl dont mean anything when the masses adopt." thats basically everything you said. except you didnt take into account that when masses adopt markets change. and theres a reason there are so few discs out now; and that reason would inherently not exist when the masses adopt.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm just saying it's mere conjecture to assume a large number of people are importing. Keep in mind that you're dealing with a self-selecting sample on web forums - these aren't your everyday HD video buyers (those who will adopt when they hit $200 for players); they are AV-philes, and of course they'll import. I'm sure if you ask CAGs if they import (EDIT: import video games, I mean), and compare that % to the % of game-system owners who import, you'll find a *vastly* different percentage that shows just what a minority of gamers we here at CAG are. The same can be said of HD-philes in Australia, particularly when they are averaging under 7 copies of films sold per day. That's a self-selecting population if there ever was one.

In addition, one must consider how self-defeating it is to import, at least in the sense that, by conjecturing, as you have done, that we're seeing 600 movies sold in 3 months because all HD DVD buyers are importing, they're still harming themselves. Who wants to release a video in Australia? Put it out in Japan/Korea/China instead! They'll buy it anywhere! And, then, you realize the folly of buying outside your market - when HD DVD no longer is sold in Australia because they can't sell more than 7 copies per day, the folly of the "overabundant importer" will be fully realized.

Of course, that's ONLY if you're right about how large importing is. I still think that you're making a foolishly general estimate about importers via conversations among a handful of Australians on a message board dedicated to HD video. Turning anecdotes into data, if you will, which is a more substantial magic trick than David Copperfield could pull off.[/quote]
well if you spent 5 mins looking it up you would find that even buying combo discs (which apparenty dont exist in Au). even w/ S&H charges. its still about $10USD cheaper to buy/import just 3 (not on sale) HD DVDs to Au vs getting them at Aus largest distributer. i used The departed, babel, & children of men in my quick comparison. xe.com amazon.com ezydvd.com.au
shipping is probably faster/easier from japan but i cant read japanese.
if it were non-combo discs its an additional savings of $5-8 more per disc

and of course theyre AV enthusiasts. every1 in Au w/ a HD player at this point is. the toshiba HD-E1 player (which is essentially a HD-A1 player) costs USD $820 there, the PS3 $840. there arent many discs available (on both formats) simply because there isnt a large enough install base to justify the shelf space. that doesnt mean it will always be that way.

i swear, all your posts you drone on endlessly w/ fluff for no reason when you could simply sum it all up in a couple sentences. you could have just said "People on forums tend to be more up to date & savvy, only people savvy would import, those ppl dont mean anything when the masses adopt." thats basically everything you said. except you didnt take into account that when masses adopt markets change. and theres a reason there are so few discs out now; and that reason would inherently not exist when the masses adopt.
 
Of course, you're assuming that HD DVD is going to last long enough in Australia to get to the mass market - again, you're ignoring that they're selling fewer than 7 videos per day.

So, you like to speculate, let's speculate. 600 HD DVD discs have been sold in 3 months in Australia. Your pure guesswork is that, by failing to take into account importing among HD DVD owners, analysts are missing part of those sales. So, again, let's speculate numbers. 600 videos sold without imports. Including imports, we're talking about how many total? 700? 900? 6 million? Give me some more guesswork.

Good on you for pointing out that I'm longwinded. Boy, you sure are clever and the first to say that. :roll: How about you deal with my points instead? How about dealing with (1) HD DVD selling like syphilis in Australia (instead of excusing it away with unverifiable conjecture on your part), and (2) the folly of assuming that imports won't harm the domestic market (if people are importing Big Movie Part 3 in bulk from elsewhere, why the hell would that film's distributor want to put it out in Australia)?

Besides, I didn't say people on forums are savvy. I said they are self-selecting early adherents and fans. You can't generalize based on that at all, at least, if you are a savvy thinker. It's like going to an Australian white power web forum and coming to the conclusion that Australians are all racist. Of course they aren't, but it's nevertheless unsurprising to find that those on that particular forum are.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Of course, you're assuming that HD DVD is going to last long enough in Australia to get to the mass market - again, you're ignoring that they're selling fewer than 7 videos per day.[/quote]
yea and of course youre ignoring that not 1 HD DVD player was even available for sale much of that Jan-Mar time-frame. or that very few videos have actually been for sale there. i find it ironic that you spent an insane amount of time trying to tear apart the rather tame toshiba stand alone PR yet you go out of your way to try and make 6k disc sales over the first 3 months (a time where BR was about the ONLY format available to buy)

the 360s add on drive wasnt for sale. and the HD-E1 didnt even get released until the very end of Feb. so you have 1 month where a player was even available and an extremely small amount of movies availabe at maybe 2 or 3 retailers in the entire country. vs. 4 BR players available since 2k6, region coded and a larger (albeit still paltry) library. now lets take that 5,400 and divide by 3 months. 1,800. 1,800 vs. 600. thats 20 vs 60 per day. not 6.

So, you like to speculate, let's speculate. 600 HD DVD discs have been sold in 3 months in Australia. Your pure guesswork is that, by failing to take into account importing among HD DVD owners, analysts are missing part of those sales. So, again, let's speculate numbers. 600 videos sold without imports. Including imports, we're talking about how many total? 700? 900? 6 million? Give me some more guesswork.
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ok assuming the numbers are accurate (its kind of hard to tell since blu-ray.com's source is blu-ray.com and they dont cite a source besides saying sony said so). you still have to ignore all the previously mentioned conditions to believe its meaningful. why exactly do you supposed they're using jan-mar sales when its already june?

considering there are now, in june; 17 movies available. and these numbers are from jan-mar when the only HD DVD player for sale didnt even show up till the end of feb; take a guess at how many HD DVD movies were actually for sale. now imagine some1 paying almost a grand for a player & they can import movies cheaper with a much larger selection. what do you think is gunna happen?

Good on you for pointing out that I'm longwinded. Boy, you sure are clever and the first to say that. How about you deal with my points instead? How about dealing with (1) HD DVD selling like syphilis in Australia (instead of excusing it away with unverifiable conjecture on your part), and (2) the folly of assuming that imports won't harm the domestic market (if people are importing Big Movie Part 3 in bulk from elsewhere, why the hell would that film's distributor want to put it out in Australia)?
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i did, and your points werent really points so much as fluff (btw, long-winded). just like i said. points are supposed to be poignant.

Besides, I didn't say people on forums are savvy. I said they are self-selecting early adherents and fans. You can't generalize based on that at all, at least, if you are a savvy thinker. It's like going to an Australian white power web forum and coming to the conclusion that Australians are all racist. Of course they aren't, but it's nevertheless unsurprising to find that those on that particular forum are.
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you said they were AV-philes. people who are enthusiastic and deeply interested/involved w/ AV. if you dont want to call that savvy what would you call it? they're not exactly people working at burger king spending a grand on a movie player.

and if your trying to draw a conclusion of the mass populous & future marketability based on6k disc sales over the 1st 3 months; your argument is already self-defeating; w/o any of the previous conditions ive pointed out.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']yea and of course youre ignoring that not 1 HD DVD player was even available for sale much of that Jan-Mar time-frame. or that very few videos have actually been for sale there. i find it ironic that you spent an insane amount of time trying to tear apart the rather tame toshiba stand alone PR yet you go out of your way to try and make 6k disc sales over the first 3 months (a time where BR was about the ONLY format available to buy)[/quote]

Let me first say that, after glancing at the size of this post, it's frankly absurd of you to call anyone longwinded.

You first claim that imports, if counted, would account for a substantial increase in HD DVD sales. You now claim that the sales numbers are low because HD DVD was not available in AU until recently. I baked you a cake, propeller_head. You can have it, or you can eat it. You can't do both, I'm afraid.

It's not ironic at all, considering that the Toshiba PR was related to its doings in the US, which I am familiar with and better able to wrangle. I'm not a fucking Australian, so forgive me for not being familiar with the doings of every fucking nation with regard to HD DVD sales. If, you are correct, that HD DVD has only been available for 1 month in total in the time frame discussed, then we're dealing with 20 vs 60 daily sales of movies, then it's a different story, and more trend lines have to be observed. However, your ambiguity of the Australian HD DVD launch leads me to think you're spinning it (failing to admit that players and videos were available before March 1st) to look good for you and yours. That's fine and dandy, I suppose, if not insidious.

the 360s add on drive wasnt for sale. and the HD-E1 didnt even get released until the very end of Feb. so you have 1 month where a player was even available and an extremely small amount of movies availabe at maybe 2 or 3 retailers in the entire country. vs. 4 BR players available since 2k6, region coded and a larger (albeit still paltry) library. now lets take that 5,400 and divide by 3 months. 1,800. 1,800 vs. 600. thats 20 vs 60 per day. not 6.
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So, to be crystal clear, not a single HD DVD player, not a single HD DVD movie, was available in Australia until the VERY end of Feb? I'll be sure to look that up to ensure you are correct.

ok assuming the numbers are accurate (its kind of hard to tell since blu-ray.com's source is blu-ray.com and they dont cite a source besides saying sony said so). you still have to ignore all the previously mentioned conditions to believe its meaningful. why exactly do you supposed they're using jan-mar sales when its already june?
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Because we're still *in* the second fucking quarter. Now, given the conjecture and speculation *you* are accustomed to, I'm sure you could draw up sales comparisons for 4th quarter 2007 without any assistance from the empirical world whatsoever, and publish it tomorrow. However, given data gathering and analysis times, such releases don't happen the day after a quarter ends for those who like to handle actual sales.

Many companies report quarterly earnings several months after the fact (many are reporting their 1st quarter earnings as I type this). It's the same thing - data gathering, data analysis, distilling the results and writing up PR fluff pieces. Doesn't happen overnight, charlie.

considering there are now, in june; 17 movies available. and these numbers are from jan-mar when the only HD DVD player for sale didnt even show up till the end of feb; take a guess at how many HD DVD movies were actually for sale. now imagine some1 paying almost a grand for a player & they can import movies cheaper with a much larger selection. what do you think is gunna happen?
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Let's deal with that for a moment: If I place an order on Amazon.com for the US, will they even ship to Australia? I know for a fact that I can't order anything from Amazon.co.jp, and that sucks because it would make my life far easier and cheaper than having to hit up NCSX everytime I want to import a game. As a frequent importer of games, and if Amazon doesn't ship from the US to Australia (or even at US prices), then that $8-10 difference in HD DVD prices will disappear awfully fucking fast when working through importing middlemen.

i did, and your points werent really points so much as fluff (btw, long-winded). just like i said. points are supposed to be poignant.
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No, you answered it in this post I quoted after pressing you to explain. You attempted to explain why HD DVD is selling poorly, and you did an admirable, if incomplete, job of that. You did not in the slightest, however, explain the folly of importing I asked about (nor did you decide to speculate on how many HD DVD films have been imported; leading me to have discovered that even the biggest conjecturer finds a stopping point: in your case, guesswork is good enough to prove a point, but you stop when it actually involves numbers, or, dare I say the word, finding sources to support your claims).

you said they were AV-philes. people who are enthusiastic and deeply interested/involved w/ AV. if you dont want to call that savvy what would you call it? they're not exactly people working at burger king spending a grand on a movie player.
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Enthusiasts. I don't think anyone spending a grand on a video player could be qualified as "savvy."

and if your trying to draw a conclusion of the mass populous & future marketability based on6k disc sales over the 1st 3 months; your argument is already self-defeating; w/o any of the previous conditions ive pointed out.
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Again, you're making a somewhat valid point, but after having made another assertion entirely. You tried to cover up the remarkably low # of HD DVD sales by claiming imports would balance things out (or change the sales ratio substantially); now you're actually engaging with the shitty sales of HD DVD and claiming it's the short time frame/low title availability of the market). So, either HD DVD videos *are* selling well, or they *aren't* selling well. I refuse to let you try to stand on both sides of the argument (though I should, since anyone occupying such territory is bound to display their foolishness to the crowd).
 
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