propeller_head
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[quote name='mykevermin']Let me first say that, after glancing at the size of this post, it's frankly absurd of you to call anyone longwinded.
You first claim that imports, if counted, would account for a substantial increase in HD DVD sales. You now claim that the sales numbers are low because HD DVD was not available in AU until recently. I baked you a cake, propeller_head. You can have it, or you can eat it. You can't do both, I'm afraid.
It's not ironic at all, considering that the Toshiba PR was related to its doings in the US, which I am familiar with and better able to wrangle. I'm not a
ing Australian, so forgive me for not being familiar with the doings of every ing nation with regard to HD DVD sales. If, you are correct, that HD DVD has only been available for 1 month in total in the time frame discussed, then we're dealing with 20 vs 60 daily sales of movies, then it's a different story, and more trend lines have to be observed. However, your ambiguity of the Australian HD DVD launch leads me to think you're spinning it (failing to admit that players and videos were available before March 1st) to look good for you and yours. That's fine and dandy, I suppose, if not insidious.
So, to be crystal clear, not a single HD DVD player, not a single HD DVD movie, was available in Australia until the VERY end of Feb? I'll be sure to look that up to ensure you are correct.
Because we're still *in* the seconding quarter. Now, given the conjecture and speculation *you* are accustomed to, I'm sure you could draw up sales comparisons for 4th quarter 2007 without any assistance from the empirical world whatsoever, and publish it tomorrow. However, given data gathering and analysis times, such releases don't happen the day after a quarter ends for those who like to handle actual sales.
Many companies report quarterly earnings several months after the fact (many are reporting their 1st quarter earnings as I type this). It's the same thing - data gathering, data analysis, distilling the results and writing up PR fluff pieces. Doesn't happen overnight, charlie.
Let's deal with that for a moment: If I place an order on Amazon.com for the US, will they even ship to Australia? I know for a fact that I can't order anything from Amazon.co.jp, and that sucks because it would make my life far easier and cheaper than having to hit up NCSX everytime I want to import a game. As a frequent importer of games, and if Amazon doesn't ship from the US to Australia (or even at US prices), then that $8-10 difference in HD DVD prices will disappear awfullying fast when working through importing middlemen.
No, you answered it in this post I quoted after pressing you to explain. You attempted to explain why HD DVD is selling poorly, and you did an admirable, if incomplete, job of that. You did not in the slightest, however, explain the folly of importing I asked about (nor did you decide to speculate on how many HD DVD films have been imported; leading me to have discovered that even the biggest conjecturer finds a stopping point: in your case, guesswork is good enough to prove a point, but you stop when it actually involves numbers, or, dare I say the word, finding sources to support your claims).
Enthusiasts. I don't think anyone spending a grand on a video player could be qualified as "savvy."
Again, you're making a somewhat valid point, but after having made another assertion entirely. You tried to cover up the remarkably low # of HD DVD sales by claiming imports would balance things out (or change the sales ratio substantially); now you're actually engaging with the shitty sales of HD DVD and claiming it's the short time frame/low title availability of the market). So, either HD DVD videos *are* selling well, or they *aren't* selling well. I refuse to let you try to stand on both sides of the argument (though I should, since anyone occupying such territory is bound to display their foolishness to the crowd).[/quote] the post may look large, but its only because i cut up your quote. everything i said had was concise, no fluff.
and the fact that the hd dvd sales were lower because there was only a player available 1 of the 3 months included in the PR story is significant, youre blind if you cant see that.
if anything that exacerbates the import effect because having it available for such a small amount of time also means there were less movies available for purchase and less people w/ players to even purchase movies.
if you dont believe the HD-E1 was the first player (barring 1 laptop) to come out before the very end of feb, observe
http://www.theage.com.au/news/reviews/review-toshiba-hde1-hddvd-player/2007/02/25/1172338459184.html
and
http://blogs.theage.com.au/fastforward/archives/2007/06/hd_dvd_missing.html
and it has nothing to do w/ being in the 2nd quarter. they could have released this same report in april. but they didnt, because the obviously skewed circumstances are still fresh in peoples (& reporters') minds. you think they only get the data once every 3 months? they used jan-mar for the very simple reason that those 3 months provided the conditions for the most diametrically opposed sales figures. and some people (like you) fell for it hook, line & sinker.
yes amazon ships to australia,
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/104-5705773-3311964?ie=UTF8&nodeId=596190
i told you this before. it took me all but 5 mins to do a price comparison
[quote name='propeller_head']well if you spent 5 mins looking it up you would find that even buying combo discs (which apparenty dont exist in Au). even w/ S&H charges. its still about $10USD cheaper to buy/import just 3 (not on sale) HD DVDs to Au vs getting them at Aus largest distributer. i used The departed, babel, & children of men in my quick comparison. xe.com amazon.com ezydvd.com.au
shipping is probably faster/easier from japan but i cant read japanese.
if it were non-combo discs its an additional savings of $5-8 more per disc[/quote]
well just because you cant/wont afford to spend a grand on a dvd player doesnt mean other ppl cant or wont. remember these are AV-philes (your words). people who have money usually have it by avoiding spending excess, as i explained to you when you decided to come back at me by telling me my tv must be shitty (did you like the part about how it was better than yours
). however, theres no point in spending EXTRA money when you dont have to. if you have only ONE choice for a player, youre limited. now before you say "well they could import the player" remember Au has different plugs than europe, japan and the US.
im not covering up anything, im making true, meaningful & significant observations about the flawed logic used to draw a conclusion on the obviously molded story which is major fluff; just like your arguments.
You first claim that imports, if counted, would account for a substantial increase in HD DVD sales. You now claim that the sales numbers are low because HD DVD was not available in AU until recently. I baked you a cake, propeller_head. You can have it, or you can eat it. You can't do both, I'm afraid.
It's not ironic at all, considering that the Toshiba PR was related to its doings in the US, which I am familiar with and better able to wrangle. I'm not a
ing Australian, so forgive me for not being familiar with the doings of every ing nation with regard to HD DVD sales. If, you are correct, that HD DVD has only been available for 1 month in total in the time frame discussed, then we're dealing with 20 vs 60 daily sales of movies, then it's a different story, and more trend lines have to be observed. However, your ambiguity of the Australian HD DVD launch leads me to think you're spinning it (failing to admit that players and videos were available before March 1st) to look good for you and yours. That's fine and dandy, I suppose, if not insidious.So, to be crystal clear, not a single HD DVD player, not a single HD DVD movie, was available in Australia until the VERY end of Feb? I'll be sure to look that up to ensure you are correct.
Because we're still *in* the second
ing quarter. Now, given the conjecture and speculation *you* are accustomed to, I'm sure you could draw up sales comparisons for 4th quarter 2007 without any assistance from the empirical world whatsoever, and publish it tomorrow. However, given data gathering and analysis times, such releases don't happen the day after a quarter ends for those who like to handle actual sales.Many companies report quarterly earnings several months after the fact (many are reporting their 1st quarter earnings as I type this). It's the same thing - data gathering, data analysis, distilling the results and writing up PR fluff pieces. Doesn't happen overnight, charlie.
Let's deal with that for a moment: If I place an order on Amazon.com for the US, will they even ship to Australia? I know for a fact that I can't order anything from Amazon.co.jp, and that sucks because it would make my life far easier and cheaper than having to hit up NCSX everytime I want to import a game. As a frequent importer of games, and if Amazon doesn't ship from the US to Australia (or even at US prices), then that $8-10 difference in HD DVD prices will disappear awfully
ing fast when working through importing middlemen.No, you answered it in this post I quoted after pressing you to explain. You attempted to explain why HD DVD is selling poorly, and you did an admirable, if incomplete, job of that. You did not in the slightest, however, explain the folly of importing I asked about (nor did you decide to speculate on how many HD DVD films have been imported; leading me to have discovered that even the biggest conjecturer finds a stopping point: in your case, guesswork is good enough to prove a point, but you stop when it actually involves numbers, or, dare I say the word, finding sources to support your claims).
Enthusiasts. I don't think anyone spending a grand on a video player could be qualified as "savvy."
Again, you're making a somewhat valid point, but after having made another assertion entirely. You tried to cover up the remarkably low # of HD DVD sales by claiming imports would balance things out (or change the sales ratio substantially); now you're actually engaging with the shitty sales of HD DVD and claiming it's the short time frame/low title availability of the market). So, either HD DVD videos *are* selling well, or they *aren't* selling well. I refuse to let you try to stand on both sides of the argument (though I should, since anyone occupying such territory is bound to display their foolishness to the crowd).[/quote] the post may look large, but its only because i cut up your quote. everything i said had was concise, no fluff.
and the fact that the hd dvd sales were lower because there was only a player available 1 of the 3 months included in the PR story is significant, youre blind if you cant see that.
if anything that exacerbates the import effect because having it available for such a small amount of time also means there were less movies available for purchase and less people w/ players to even purchase movies.
if you dont believe the HD-E1 was the first player (barring 1 laptop) to come out before the very end of feb, observe
http://www.theage.com.au/news/reviews/review-toshiba-hde1-hddvd-player/2007/02/25/1172338459184.html
and
http://blogs.theage.com.au/fastforward/archives/2007/06/hd_dvd_missing.html
and it has nothing to do w/ being in the 2nd quarter. they could have released this same report in april. but they didnt, because the obviously skewed circumstances are still fresh in peoples (& reporters') minds. you think they only get the data once every 3 months? they used jan-mar for the very simple reason that those 3 months provided the conditions for the most diametrically opposed sales figures. and some people (like you) fell for it hook, line & sinker.
yes amazon ships to australia,
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/104-5705773-3311964?ie=UTF8&nodeId=596190
i told you this before. it took me all but 5 mins to do a price comparison
[quote name='propeller_head']well if you spent 5 mins looking it up you would find that even buying combo discs (which apparenty dont exist in Au). even w/ S&H charges. its still about $10USD cheaper to buy/import just 3 (not on sale) HD DVDs to Au vs getting them at Aus largest distributer. i used The departed, babel, & children of men in my quick comparison. xe.com amazon.com ezydvd.com.au
shipping is probably faster/easier from japan but i cant read japanese.
if it were non-combo discs its an additional savings of $5-8 more per disc[/quote]
well just because you cant/wont afford to spend a grand on a dvd player doesnt mean other ppl cant or wont. remember these are AV-philes (your words). people who have money usually have it by avoiding spending excess, as i explained to you when you decided to come back at me by telling me my tv must be shitty (did you like the part about how it was better than yours
). however, theres no point in spending EXTRA money when you dont have to. if you have only ONE choice for a player, youre limited. now before you say "well they could import the player" remember Au has different plugs than europe, japan and the US.im not covering up anything, im making true, meaningful & significant observations about the flawed logic used to draw a conclusion on the obviously molded story which is major fluff; just like your arguments.
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