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13, Apr, 2007 / SEC)

SAMSUNG Electronics to Release Duo Hd Player

Seoul, Korea – April 13, 2007 : Samsung Electronics Co., LTD., a leader in consumer electronics and digital media technologies, and the first company to introduce a Blu-ray disc player will introduce a dual format High-Definition (HD) optical disc player in time for the holidays.

Samsung’s Duo HD player (BD-UP5000) will fully support both HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc formats and their interactive technologies, HDi and BD-Java. With the Duo HD consumers can enjoy additional studio content such as trailers, director’s comments, more elaborate interactive menus and behind the scene footage. The new Duo HD joins Samsung’s next generation DVD line-up which includes Samsung’s second generation Blu-ray player available at retail this month. Together, these two models offer the consumer a strong line of High-Definition players to match Samsung’s award winning, and best selling, line of HDTVs.

"We welcome Samsung's Duo HD player as another solution in the marketplace that will help reduce consumer confusion and buyer hesitancy towards HD media," said Ron Sanders, President of Warner Home Video. "This is an innovative product that can move us closer to mainstream consumer adoption of HD technologies."

“We are very pleased to announce the upcoming release of our Duo HD player. Consumers are hungry for more HD content but are currently confused about competing formats. Samsung’s Duo HD player will allow consumers access to every HD movie title available regardless of the authoring format. Samsung is committed to making life simpler through technology and will market next generation DVD products which will satisfy the consumer and market requirement. This is a big win for the consumer.

As a member of the DVD Forum and contributor to the DVD Industry, we recognize that both HD-DVD and BD formats have merits. As such, we have decided to market a dual format player. Samsung is flexible to market a stand-alone HD-DVD player whenever consumers demand it. Our main concern is not technology but consumer choice” said Dongsoo Jun, Executive Vice President of the Digital AV Division at Samsung Electronics.
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This will be great since it will be able to play HD DVDs perfect (unlike the crippled LG) and should have Blu-Java implemented by them. If this is under the $800 range I will be selling the worthless PS3 for this.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Members of the AVS HD DVD forum made yesterday 'Buy an HD DVD at Amazon day'. The Blu-Ray camp did as well soon after...but it didn't help. HD DVD Crushed Blu-Ray yesterday in sales, which is still trickeling over today. Planet Earth on HD DVD currently holds the #5 spot, and is the #1 selling "next gen" disc beating Casino Royale but 2 spots (as per how high on the charts it got). Pretty impressive for $70 educational boxset vs. a $25 popcorn movie. Even before the sale the HD DVD version was outselling the Blu-Ray buy 5-20 spots.[/QUOTE]

:lol: I saw that on the forums. Kinda sad that they decide to organize a specific day to support a format. Hopefully they all bought something they wanted and didn't just waste their money.
 
[quote name='dpatel']:lol: I saw that on the forums. Kinda sad that they decide to organize a specific day to support a format. Hopefully they all bought something they wanted and didn't just waste their money.[/QUOTE]

Wasn't just a random day, it was the HD-DVD 1 Year Anniversary.
I did not participate simply because I can buy most titles at Fry's for the same if not cheaper price the day it comes out.
 
Shouldn't matter what day it is. I think it's just stupid to 'plan' to buy something. Makes no sense to me, but if they're happy, more power to them.
 
Gizmo, you failed to point out that Planet Earth is not yet released on any format. Why is it shocking that it beat out the best-selling HD-format release thus far, and one that's been out for 4-5 weeks now?
 
I really hope the combo player does not take off. The last thing we need is two competing movie formats. It just seems like a waste of money for people to have to support both formats. I can't see the combo player being $800 either. Current combo players go for about $1,100 I believe. I imagine when that comes out, it will still be about the price of both HD-DVD + Blu-ray players combined.
 
Also, anyone 'in the know' want to comment on this post I found referring to MS backing HD-DVD:
MS of course knows, as most others that HD-DVD vs blu-ray is a lost cause. There is no way in hell to compete when everybody and their mother is supporting the "enemy".

However, if MS can keep HD-DVD around long enough until they are making the Xbox 3 (or 720 or whatever they are going to call it), they will save money.

Why?

Because by that time the HD-DVD format will be cheap to produce, and they dont have to pay royalties to Sony. (If the BDA would take them at all). Its basically, for the future. What they loose now, they save next-gen by having a cheap and easly to produce storage medium, that they have the rights to produce.
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Sounds resonable to me seeing as how MS has little pull in the movie industry, yet they go for the format with the lesser movie support.

The only problem I see with this is why would MS want to use HD-DVD as a gaming format over blu-ray (assuming blu-ray wins). Sure they save money on royalties, but they alienate anyone looking for a console/blu-ray player combo (by the next gen, there will be much more looking for that, and the price will be much less).
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Gizmo, you failed to point out that Planet Earth is not yet released on any format. Why is it shocking that it beat out the best-selling HD-format release thus far, and one that's been out for 4-5 weeks now?[/QUOTE]

Huh?
It hit rank #5 on Amazon, and the only thing that was close enough was Casino Royale at #7. I'm talking about how high it went up on the ranks, regardless if its a pre-order or an already released title. Casino Royale was #7 a week before it was released. We won't even get into how this is a neutral title and not exclusive like Casino Royale was. Why shouldn't we be surprised at this? This is a product priced 3 times more then Casino Royale and is education. It IS pretty surprising to see it hit #5. Also surprising it has been selling better then the Blu-Ray version as well, considering how many more BR players that have been sold.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Also, anyone 'in the know' want to comment on this post I found referring to MS backing HD-DVD:


Sounds resonable to me seeing as how MS has little pull in the movie industry, yet they go for the format with the lesser movie support.

The only problem I see with this is why would MS want to use HD-DVD as a gaming format over blu-ray (assuming blu-ray wins). Sure they save money on royalties, but they alienate anyone looking for a console/blu-ray player combo (by the next gen, there will be much more looking for that, and the price will be much less).[/QUOTE]

This was posted a few weeks ago I *think* in one of the PS3 Blu-Ray threads.
Pretty smart move if it holds true. While HD is only at 30GB now, it may infact go up in space. So far I have not been really impressed with gaming on Blu-Ray as most of the games are simply 360 ports with additional content...something that the 360 DVD can already do. Nothing much in the way of 'upgrades' that needs that extra 40GB or so of space. Not to turn this into a PS3 vs. 360 thread, but I just have yet to see any game really use all that space on a Blu-Ray disc. It may change later on when developers stop with the ports and bring more original titles to the system, but right now its just a premium they are paying for a Blu-ray disc instead of a simple DVD disc.
 
The combo player is such a bad idea... it's just going to further draw out this 'war'. Ugh.

I hope it's super expensive, and you have to keep your worthless PS3 (even though it's not a worthless BD player) right Giz?
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Huh?
It hit rank #5 on Amazon, and the only thing that was close enough was Casino Royale at #7. I'm talking about how high it went up on the ranks, regardless if its a pre-order or an already released title. Casino Royale was #7 a week before it was released. We won't even get into how this is a neutral title and not exclusive like Casino Royale was. Why shouldn't we be surprised at this? This is a product priced 3 times more then Casino Royale and is education. It IS pretty surprising to see it hit #5. Also surprising it has been selling better then the Blu-Ray version as well, considering how many more BR players that have been sold.[/QUOTE]

But Casino Royale also had more competition for new releases, even itself on DVD as a huge competitor. I could see the argument made that Planet Earth got so high because there is not much coming out right now on DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray that are really big titles. If you go by raw numbers it wont even be close most likely.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']This was posted a few weeks ago I *think* in one of the PS3 Blu-Ray threads.
Pretty smart move if it holds true. While HD is only at 30GB now, it may infact go up in space. .[/QUOTE]

True, but assuming blu-ray does win, then the next xbox will have a huge disadvantage by not being able to play blu-ray movies. I just don't see the advantage at all. And yes, HD will go up in space, but I can't see it surpassing Blu-ray in space. And if it does, I can't see that outweighing the benefit of being able to play blu-ray movies.

[quote name='gizmogc']So far I have not been really impressed with gaming on Blu-Ray as most of the games are simply 360 ports with additional content...something that the 360 DVD can already do. Nothing much in the way of 'upgrades' that needs that extra 40GB or so of space. Not to turn this into a PS3 vs. 360 thread, but I just have yet to see any game really use all that space on a Blu-Ray disc. It may change later on when developers stop with the ports and bring more original titles to the system, but right now its just a premium they are paying for a Blu-ray disc instead of a simple DVD disc.[/QUOTE]

You do realize this has nothing to do with blu-ray itself right?

And, blu-ray is being used just fine. Did you really expect a huge jump from dvd. I'm surprised at how many people buy into blu-ray hype. Blu-ray's advantages simply lie in the development process, in that it gives developers more room to breathe, that is all. It doesn't automatically make a game significantly better. Anyone with development knowledge would know this.
 
[quote name='dallow']The combo player is such a bad idea... it's just going to further draw out this 'war'. Ugh.

I hope it's super expensive, and you have to keep your worthless PS3 (even though it's not a worthless BD player) right Giz?[/QUOTE]

You seem to think the war will be over in the near future. Its not. Both the HD camp and BR camp plan on being around for a long, long time. This combo player can either help the HD camp, or do no harm. If enough people own combo players, why should studios produce on expensive Blu-Ray equipment when they can on easy to use and cheap HD equipment? Seems they would love to swithc to HD if this was the case. I'm all 100% for this war. It means cheap players and great looking discs. If it was not for HD, the BR camp would have no reason to introduce 50GB disc, no reason for the frequent sales, no reason to keep bringing cheaper and cheaper players out, and would have no reason to do great transfers. We would still be looking at discs like Fifth Element or House of Flying Daggers. Same goes for the HD camp. We would not have a second generation player at $400 with 5 free movies.

Dallow, don't worry about what I buy and what I do. As soon as I can buy a decent BR player I will be dumping the PS3. To me, personally, its a worthless gaming console with 360 ports. Now you may think its the best thing in the world, but *I* personally find it to be a very poor gaming console with bad online structure and tacked on Wii controls. Thats MY opinion. What you feel about your PS3 may be different.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']But Casino Royale also had more competition for new releases, even itself on DVD as a huge competitor. I could see the argument made that Planet Earth got so high because there is not much coming out right now on DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray that are really big titles. If you go by raw numbers it wont even be close most likely.[/QUOTE]

I really don't see the point of fixating on small spikes in sales, to be honest. Casino was the first BD to hit 100,000! Great.. Planet Earth ranked higher than Caisno Royale. Great... This doesn't mean much in the grand scale of things. They are both being demolished by DVD, and either format 'winning' over the other means little. It is really better to look at what the future of each format holds, and, to me, right now, blu-ray seems to have the edge.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']But Casino Royale also had more competition for new releases, even itself on DVD as a huge competitor. I could see the argument made that Planet Earth got so high because there is not much coming out right now on DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray that are really big titles. If you go by raw numbers it wont even be close most likely.[/QUOTE]

What came out that week that was huge competition? IIRC, it wasn't anything due to Casino Royale coming out and not wanting to put anything out that day. Casino Royale BR was also a Day and Date release with the DVD counterpart. Those usually yeild higher sales numbers as its something we have a choice of picking up right then and there and not having to wait 2-4 months to buy the HD version later (Black Christmas and School of Scoundrels comes to mind on the HD side and Pirates of the Carribean DMC on the Blu-Ray side). Planet Earth is also available on DVD with a $30 or so discount. We can't compare DVD to BR/HD...its two totally different markets. BR/HD sales are a drop in the bucket compared to DVD.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']You seem to think the war will be over in the near future. Its not. Both the HD camp and BR camp plan on being around for a long, long time. This combo player can either help the HD camp, or do no harm. If enough people own combo players, why should studios produce on expensive Blu-Ray equipment when they can on easy to use and cheap HD equipment? Seems they would love to swithc to HD if this was the case. I'm all 100% for this war. It means cheap players and great looking discs. If it was not for HD, the BR camp would have no reason to introduce 50GB disc, no reason for the frequent sales, no reason to keep bringing cheaper and cheaper players out, and would have no reason to do great transfers. We would still be looking at discs like Fifth Element or House of Flying Daggers. Same goes for the HD camp. We would not have a second generation player at $400 with 5 free movies.[/QUOTE]

Initial competition is definitely good, but I don't see why you would want studios to support HD just so they can save money. The money isn't really being passed on to consumers (movies are generally the same price), so I could care less which is cheaper for them. If they were really against the expensive blu-ray equipment, they would not have support BD in the first place. From what I understand, all studios supporting BD have already made the initial investment into blu-ray equipment, which is the most expensive part, so really they don't save too much by releasing HD-DVD movies at this point (unless you are in the adult industry and don't get subsidized for using BD).

[quote name='gizmogc']Dallow, don't worry about what I buy and what I do. As soon as I can buy a decent BR player I will be dumping the PS3. To me, personally, its a worthless gaming console with 360 ports. Now you may think its the best thing in the world, but *I* personally find it to be a very poor gaming console with bad online structure and tacked on Wii controls. Thats MY opinion. What you feel about your PS3 may be different.[/QUOTE]

So, you are going to dump the cheaper, PS3, with gaming capabilities, for a more expensive BR player, with no gaming capabilities? Maybe you should rethink that one. I realize you don't like the PS3's gaming capabilities, and that's fine, but what you are saying is you would rather spend more, for the same movie playing capabilities, and zero gaming capabilities. You don't gain anything by doing this. I just don't see the logic.
 
[quote name='dpatel']I really don't see the point of fixating on small spikes in sales, to be honest. Casino was the first BD to hit 100,000! Great.. Planet Earth ranked higher than Caisno Royale. Great... This doesn't mean much in the grand scale of things. They are both being demolished by DVD, and either format 'winning' over the other means little. It is really better to look at what the future of each format holds, and, to me, right now, blu-ray seems to have the edge.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Blu-Ray and HD DVD mean nothing compared to DVD. While we enjoy seeing them shoot up to the Top #10, it does not really mean either format has won. Blu-Ray has the advantage, and probably always will. Every PS3 sold includes a Blu-Ray capable machine...even if that owner never buys a single disc for it, it still has potential.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']I agree. Blu-Ray and HD DVD mean nothing compared to DVD. While we enjoy seeing them shoot up to the Top #10, it does not really mean either format has won. Blu-Ray has the advantage, and probably always will. Every PS3 sold includes a Blu-Ray capable machine...even if that owner never buys a single disc for it, it still has potential.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. But with every PS3 game on a BD disc, gamers will still be supporting the format, just probably not as significantly as movie buyers. But, seeing as how HD is still a very small market, the best they can do is just get as many players out there as they can, and wait for people to adopt the format.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Initial competition is definitely good, but I don't see why you would want studios to support HD just so they can save money. The money isn't really being passed on to consumers (movies are generally the same price), so I could care less which is cheaper for them. If they were really against the expensive blu-ray equipment, they would not have support BD in the first place. From what I understand, all studios supporting BD have already made the initial investment into blu-ray equipment, which is the most expensive part, so really they don't save too much by releasing HD-DVD movies at this point (unless you are in the adult industry and don't get subsidized for using BD).[/QUOTE]

Regardless of money spent on equipment, they still have to buy discs. If they could buy 10 HD DVD discs instead of 1 BR disc, it would save money.
I'm all for this war, I love getting great deals.

So, you are going to dump the cheaper, PS3, with gaming capabilities, for a more expensive BR player, with no gaming capabilities? Maybe you should rethink that one.
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Gaming capabilities mean nothing if I won't every play a game on it. As stated, I will sell it when a CHEAPER Blu-Ray player comes out (possibly a Combo). PS3 will be able to hold its price for a while due to the fact I believe Sony is fairly ignorant and will not have a price drop on this in the next year or two. Blu-Ray players can already be had for half their orginal MSRP a few months after release. If the Samsung comes out and I can grab it for $600 or less, goodbye PS3 (and A2)!
 
[quote name='dpatel']Exactly. But with every PS3 game on a BD disc, gamers will still be supporting the format, just probably not as significantly as movie buyers. But, seeing as how HD is still a very small market, the best they can do is just get as many players out there as they can, and wait for people to adopt the format.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I understand by buying a PS3 game you are infact supporting the format. Sadly a good chunk of PS3 owners know nothing about Blu-Ray other then 'its better and can hold more stuff'. They are happily using there Composite cables hooked up to a 27" K-Mart brand SDTV. Its sad, but check out GameFaqs for confirmation on this :lol:
 
Somewhat off-topic...How is 'Night at the Musuem'? I see its coming out next week on BR and wasn't sure if its a rental or a buy.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Regardless of money spent on equipment, they still have to buy discs. If they could buy 10 HD DVD discs instead of 1 BR disc, it would save money.
I'm all for this war, I love getting great deals.)[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure that all 3 formats are around the same price, if we are strictly talking about disc cost. BR maybe slightly more than HD which may be slightly more than DVD, but I am almost certain we are talking mere pennies.

Gaming capabilities mean nothing if I won't every play a game on it. As stated, I will sell it when a CHEAPER Blu-Ray player comes out (possibly a Combo). PS3 will be able to hold its price for a while due to the fact I believe Sony is fairly ignorant and will not have a price drop on this in the next year or two. Blu-Ray players can already be had for half their orginal MSRP a few months after release. If the Samsung comes out and I can grab it for $600 or less, goodbye PS3 (and A2)!
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If you find a way to sell your ps3 (for a loss) and buy another BD player and at least break even, i'll retract my statement. But, PS3s are selling for less than retail now, and their resell value won't go up any time soon. You'll probably get about $570something for one, so you'd need to find a BD player that is about $500 just to break even. Even if you do break even, I really don't see the logic. Sure gaming capabilities don't mean anything if you don't use them, but are they really hurting you?
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Yes, I understand by buying a PS3 game you are infact supporting the format. Sadly a good chunk of PS3 owners know nothing about Blu-Ray other then 'its better and can hold more stuff'. They are happily using there Composite cables hooked up to a 27" K-Mart brand SDTV. Its sad, but check out GameFaqs for confirmation on this :lol:[/QUOTE]

I'm not surprised. I guess HD in general needs to be clarified for people. I see people with HDTVs still stuck watching SD programming (while thinking they are watching HD). Also have seen people watching HD/BD movies on SD tvs.
 
[quote name='dpatel']If you find a way to sell your ps3 (for a loss) and buy another BD player and at least break even, i'll retract my statement. But, PS3s are selling for less than retail now, and their resell value won't go up any time soon. You'll probably get about $570something for one, so you'd need to find a BD player that is about $500 just to break even. Even if you do break even, I really don't see the logic. Sure gaming capabilities don't mean anything if you don't use them, but are they really hurting you?[/QUOTE]


Considering I paid $450 or so for it, $570 would net a profit. Like I said, if I can get a Combo for $600 or less its worth it to me.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Considering I paid $450 or so for it, $570 would net a profit. Like I said, if I can get a Combo for $600 or less its worth it to me.[/QUOTE]

$450? Really? Not bad. Although, I could've sworn that I heard you complain about the $600 you spent on it multiple times in the past. I'm sure I could find it if I were to search, but I can't be bothered.
 
heck the only reason i even order some br movies is because i got the ps3 for $350.. i would have not purchased it at retail cost..

it is basicly collecting dust. i still prefer my movies on hd but have the ps3 for backup just for those must have titles not on hd
 
[quote name='dpatel']$450? Really? Not bad. Although, I could've sworn that I heard you complain about the $600 you spent on it multiple times in the past. I'm sure I could find it if I were to search, but I can't be bothered.[/QUOTE]

MSRP is $600. Use trade-in fodder thanks to GameRush to knock down the price to roughly $450.
Edit: I should say thats for the one I kept. I had two PS3s and sold the other on Craigslist.
 
Found this:

From these figures taken from 3 different replication sources, we can see that Blu-ray media replication does not cost significantly more than HD DVD. In fact, we found that Blu-ray is actually cheaper per GB in many situations! It is also interesting to note that at this point, most HD DVD-ROM movies are DL, while most BD-ROM movies are SL, which would make HD DVD more expensive to replicate in most situations.
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http://wesleytech.com/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-replication-costs-revealed/111/

Looks like Blu-ray costs almost the same as HD-DVD as far as cost per disc is concerned. So, I can't see too many studios jumping to HD-DVD once combo players are released. The major exense is the initial investment, and that has already been made.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Found this:


http://wesleytech.com/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-replication-costs-revealed/111/

Looks like Blu-ray costs almost the same as HD-DVD as far as cost per disc is concerned. So, I can't see too many studios jumping to HD-DVD once combo players are released. The major exense is the initial investment, and that has already been made.[/QUOTE]

Interesting. Thats atleast for the current 30GB HD and 50GB BR disc. Costs may infact go up if either format gets a higher disc, as both have been 'rumored/confirmed' to. How many studios have yet to really jump on a format? I don't see any of the HD exclusive ones going over to BR due to buying the equipment, but BR exclusive can fairly easy as there is huge 'expense' as it was to join BR. This is gonna be a great year for HD!
 
we just need some studios to jump ship... jesus christ jump already.

we cant live off universal forever.

eventually i think combo players will be the norm( few years down)
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Interesting. Thats atleast for the current 30GB HD and 50GB BR disc. Costs may infact go up if either format gets a higher disc, as both have been 'rumored/confirmed' to. How many studios have yet to really jump on a format? I don't see any of the HD exclusive ones going over to BR due to buying the equipment, but BR exclusive can fairly easy as there is huge 'expense' as it was to join BR. This is gonna be a great year for HD![/QUOTE]

Well, I know there were a lot of studios jumping from HD to BR before the war even began, but I don't think anything major recently. Any advantages of going from BR to HD though? I know you say it can happen, and it could, I just don't see the advantages of it. Going to a format with lesser studio support, less hardware, less software, doesn't make much sense to me.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']eventually i think combo players will be the norm( few years down)[/QUOTE]

Sadly, I think you may be right. combo players are being introduced A LOT sooner than I expected. I really hope they don't catch on. It would just be a huge waste of money for everyone. Why didn't the two formats unify before all of this!! argh!
 
[quote name='dpatel']Sadly, I think you may be right. combo players are being introduced A LOT sooner than I expected. I really hope they don't catch on. It would just be a huge waste of money for everyone. Why didn't the two formats unify before all of this!! argh![/QUOTE]

I as not really expecting Combo players so soon (since the format war really means nothing in terms of sales), but the LG player just plain sucked. I'm glad to see Samsung coming out with one and look forward to its reviews.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Sadly, I think you may be right. combo players are being introduced A LOT sooner than I expected. I really hope they don't catch on. It would just be a huge waste of money for everyone. Why didn't the two formats unify before all of this!! argh![/quote]

i could be wrong but we can blame stupid sony for trying to be in control of the formats again...

combo players- That way companies dont have to re-release movies on a specific format... but who knows...

why wouldnt let's say Buena Vista release movies for hd? They would sell extremely well. Hd has a loyal base that will buy it up real quick.

Heck i wonder how much batman begins made on the hd format?


And ofcourse i hate the fact that the average ignorant consumer automaticly think br is the next hot shit.. i guess we can blaim marketing for that
 
[quote name='dpatel']Well, I know there were a lot of studios jumping from HD to BR before the war even began, but I don't think anything major recently. Any advantages of going from BR to HD though? I know you say it can happen, and it could, I just don't see the advantages of it. Going to a format with lesser studio support, less hardware, less software, doesn't make much sense to me.[/QUOTE]

Jumping ship is stupid. Neutral is where it would be. I don't see Fox doing this but Disney/LG might. No reason to only sell to a 60% audience when you can get the other 40% too. Too soon to tell.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']i could be wrong but we can blame stupid sony for trying to be in control of the formats again...[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure both sides were pretty determined to let their format be in control. If it was just 'stupid sony', we would've seen a unified format already, seeing as how Sony is just on one side. But, HD was just as adament about making their format succeed, so no agreement was put in place.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']i could be wrong but we can blame stupid sony for trying to be in control of the formats again...

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How many times does it have to be said that its not just Sony and its not just Toshiba.


[quote name='guyver2077']

And ofcourse i hate the fact that the average ignorant consumer automaticly think br is the next hot shit.. i guess we can blaim marketing for that[/QUOTE]

Blame HD's lack of good marketing material. We are finally seeing them announcing HD new releases on TV.
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Jumping ship is stupid. Neutral is where it would be. I don't see Fox doing this but Disney/LG might. No reason to only sell to a 60% audience when you can get the other 40% too. Too soon to tell.[/QUOTE]

Even worse, in my opinion. All this neutral crap is stupid. Support a format and end this war.

And, HD-DVD could just as easily go over to BD. The 'expensive equipment' is currently being subsidized by the BDA, so it is not a burden on studios. This will disappear if the format succeeds, but for now, I believe, the expense is irrelevent as studios are subsidized for it (aside from certain studios that the BDA did not approve (certain adult studios)).
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']Blame HD's lack of good marketing material. We are finally seeing them announcing HD new releases on TV.[/QUOTE]

I hear the radio announcement 3-5 times a day (I only listen to the radio in a car)
 
even i was pissed at the lack of marketing on hd's part. They had more than enough time to market the damn format. They should be lucky they have the support that have (mostly from online customers).

And of course you cant expect an unbiased opinion if you ask at a bestbuy...
 
[quote name='gizmogc']I hear the radio announcement 3-5 times a day (I only listen to the radio in a car)[/QUOTE]

It's pretty clear that BD has the advantage when it comes to marketing. Also, I'm not so sure radio would be the best means of advertising a movie format. I could understand them doing it if their TV advertising was fine, but clearly it is not.
 
Really Giz, it's downright illogical to eventually sell your PS3 for a cheaper BD player, only to break even, or even net a loss.

I mean, there might be a game down the line you'll enjoy. Something no one knows about. There might be cheap games a few years from now you'll want to pick up.

Sorry, your plain hatred of the system just boggles me.


Night at the Museum? Hmm, rental.
 
I think the biggest hit to HD DVD has been titles. Most people who own either BR or HD want action and sci fi, not drama. It seems all the good action movies and sci fi are on BR. I also see Universal making BR as well as their HD. Universal announced at CES that they were going to release something like 100 titles on HD this year, where are they? The sales of BR cannot be ignored, just look at Casino Royal. Which is better HD or BR I think is still up to debate, but BR definitely has the advantages with titles and marketing. I'm curious how many BR players will be sold after the Pirates and Spiderman movies hit BR. These are two of the biggest series of all time, if they don't help BR when the war nothing will.
 
[quote name='millrat1030']I think the biggest hit to HD DVD has been titles. Most people who own either BR or HD want action and sci fi, not drama. It seems all the good action movies and sci fi are on BR. I also see Universal making BR as well as their HD. Universal announced at CES that they were going to release something like 100 titles on HD this year, where are they? The sales of BR cannot be ignored, just look at Casino Royal. Which is better HD or BR I think is still up to debate, but BR definitely has the advantages with titles and marketing. I'm curious how many BR players will be sold after the Pirates and Spiderman movies hit BR. These are two of the biggest series of all time, if they don't help BR when the war nothing will.[/QUOTE]

Well considering Universal came out with 3 new HD-DVD titles today alone and will be coming out with at least a couple almost every week for the next couple months (hell they're coming out with 6 movies on May 29th alone), 100 by the end of the year isn't really outside the realm of possibility.

As far as action on sci-fi? Well today we've got Feast and Smokin' Aces, May 22nd is Matrix Trilogy, and already have The 2 Riddick movies, Miami Vice, The Mummy movies, Assault on Precinct 13, I could go on and on about this but you've already made up your mind that apparently blu ray has more action and sci fi so there's really no point in continuing.
 
I really thinks HD DVD could win if they just got off their ass and tried to win. The best thing they can do is only release their titles in the HD combo format. That means no standerd DVD version just the combo, and price it like a regular DVD. It will cost them more up front to produce the discs but in the long run they would gain more support. If they released title like "The Office," or "Battlestar Galactica," only in the combo format people who haven't made the jump to HD or BD will already have some HD DVD's in their collection and will likely go with HD.
 
This war was decided long ago when Sony decided to include BR in the PS3.

REally I think BR is more worried about folks leaving some picture quality on the table by sticking with DVDs and/or favoring the convenience of digital downloading.
 
[quote name='nazrad']I really thinks HD DVD could win if they just got off their ass and tried to win. The best thing they can do is only release their titles in the HD combo format. That means no standerd DVD version just the combo, and price it like a regular DVD. It will cost them more up front to produce the discs but in the long run they would gain more support. If they released title like "The Office," or "Battlestar Galactica," only in the combo format people who haven't made the jump to HD or BD will already have some HD DVD's in their collection and will likely go with HD.[/QUOTE]

I agree but mostly for a different reason. While I can agree with your assertion that they need to quit with the combo discs (especially on older movies, what they were thinking making Army of Darkness a dual format is beyond me...), I think the biggest thing HD-DVD needs to do is throw some more money into it. For example, while Target doesn't carry many discs of HD-DVD or blu ray, they seem to get new releases on blu ray more often than they get new releases of HD-DVD. Go to any Best Buy and you'll see a huge blu ray setup with demos playing, there's almost never a similar HD-DVD setup. They really need to throw some money into marketing their product in order to get back in the game. There's no denying that the PS3 launch hurt them HOWEVER, not to the point that they can't turn it around and get their marketshare back.

[quote name='trip1eX']This war was decided long ago when Sony decided to include BR in the PS3.

REally I think BR is more worried about folks leaving some picture quality on the table by sticking with DVDs and/or favoring the convenience of digital downloading.[/QUOTE]

The PSP has sold 4 times as many units as the PS3 and yet the UMD movie format is basically a complete failure. When the PSP launched UMDs were selling quite well however once more games started coming out sales fell off quickly. The same thing very well could end up happening with the PS3, we simply can't know for sure yet. You make it seem as if its a foregone conclusion that the PS3 will singlehandedly usher in the next era of movie formats but that remains to be seen.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']The PSP has sold 4 times as many units as the PS3 and yet the UMD movie format is basically a complete failure. When the PSP launched UMDs were selling quite well however once more games started coming out sales fell off quickly. The same thing very well could end up happening with the PS3, we simply can't know for sure yet. You make it seem as if its a foregone conclusion that the PS3 will singlehandedly usher in the next era of movie formats but that remains to be seen.[/QUOTE]
I'm not all agreeing with Trip1ex about the war being decided when the PS3 came out. It is still up in the air who will come out on top if any. But I do disagree with comparing the situation to the PSP. The PSP was more of a portable dvd player. And with competition and prices going down with them I think people did not see the point in rebuying movies which they already own and can watch on a portable dvd player, in the car, laptop, etc. I think this is a totally different situation with Blu-Ray and don't see where you can say that the same thing would happen. I know you were speculating and your right it can but to compare it to the PSP, it just doesn't make sense to me.
 
[quote name='DomLando']I'm not all agreeing with Trip1ex about the war being decided when the PS3 came out. It is still up in the air who will come out on top if any. But I do disagree with comparing the situation to the PSP. The PSP was more of a portable dvd player. And with competition and prices going down with them I think people did not see the point in rebuying movies which they already own and can watch on a portable dvd player, in the car, laptop, etc. I think this is a totally different situation with Blu-Ray and don't see where you can say that the same thing would happen. I know you were speculating and your right it can but to compare it to the PSP, it just doesn't make sense to me.[/QUOTE]

Ahh but it does make sense because you're saying people didn't want to rebuy their movies in a new format that's only usable on one product. That's the exact same thing that's going on with the PS3. If people didn't want to rebuy their movies or even buy new movies at a higher price for UMD, why would they want to with blu ray? In fact, given that most people don't even have high definition TVs yet, why would they spend the extra money when they're not even getting any kind of enhancement and are really just paying extra money for no reason at all.
 
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