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[quote name='dpatel']You know, there is always the option of just not buying a player at all.[/QUOTE]

Now, thats just stupid. There are movies I love on both formats, why would I limit myself to only one? I can see why you would, as you already have a PS3 and was forced into it. I, on the other hand, chose to get a PS3 for Blu-ray movies and several different HD DVD players for HD DVD movies.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Now, thats just stupid. There are movies I love on both formats, why would I limit myself to only one? I can see why you would, as you already have a PS3 and was forced into it. I, on the other hand, chose to get a PS3 for Blu-ray movies and several different HD DVD players for HD DVD movies.[/QUOTE]

Yea, it does suck to be missing out on some great movies owning only one format. With the amount of multiplatform movies out there, I can't really justify the price for a HD-DVD player just yet. I actually would prefer only one format to win this gen and for combo players to fail, which is another reason for me only sticking to one format.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']No. It has games, but you and many others have taken this "I totally wouldn't do her, she has sharp knees" approach to the PS3. You, quite frankly, *don't want* the PS3 to have good games. It's the same mentality that seems to regard multiplatform titles as a boon to the 360, but irrelevant for the PS3. It doesn't matter that the PS3 has Oblivion/RS:Vegas/THPG/GHIII, but it's awesome that the 360 has them!

Heavenly Sword is incredible, like it or not. Tekken online is fucking phenomenal. Stranglehold will have an HD version of "Hard Boiled," which is, IMHO, vastly superior to any achievement points. Eye of Judgment is coming this fall, along with Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Hot Shots Golf, Folklore, Unreal Tournament III, Singstar, Rock Band (with wireless!), Haze, Time Crisis 4, and Timeshift (to name a few) all before Christmas of this year.

So, give it up. All 3 systems have ample amazing games, so you can give up your "she has sharp knees" bullshit, because at this point, you're looking for the system to have no games rather than waiting for the inevitable good games to arrive in droves.

Start with a clear mind, and stop trying to bend arguments around conclusions you've already drawn. You're too easily proven wrong.[/QUOTE]

:lol:
Check my gamertag for those 'awesome' games that the PS3 has as does the 360. I played Oblivion for 20 minutes, never played R6, played Tony Hawk for 30 minutes, and played GHII for a few days. As for the games coming up....yawn. Whatever makes you feel better about you're purchase.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']:lol:
Check my gamertag for those 'awesome' games that the PS3 has as does the 360. I played Oblivion for 20 minutes, never played R6, played Tony Hawk for 30 minutes, and played GHII for a few days. As for the games coming up....yawn. Whatever makes you feel better about you're purchase.[/QUOTE]

:lol: I did look at your gamertag. I found something interesting: your gamerscore is more than 5 times higher than mine, yet you said something of interest a page or so back:

[quote name='GizmoGC']I'm far from a gamer.[/QUOTE]

Your gamerscore is 17000+, yet you aren't a gamer. :rofl:
 
[quote name='dpatel']Yea, it does suck to be missing out on some great movies owning only one format. With the amount of multiplatform movies out there, I can't really justify the price for a HD-DVD player just yet. I actually would prefer only one format to win this gen and for combo players to fail, which is another reason for me only sticking to one format.[/QUOTE]

We are almost in the same boat about something.

I can't justify the price of a Blu-Ray player because I believe that combo players will become the standard and why waste money on another player that isn't a combo player when I can put that money towards movies (and IMPORTS :bouncy: i have a massive hard-on for imports)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']:lol: I did look at your gamertag. I found something interesting: your gamerscore is more than 5 times higher than mine, yet you said something of interest a page or so back:



Your gamerscore is 17000+, yet you aren't a gamer. :rofl:[/QUOTE]

Yes, Ive had a 360 since launch. So 17k points is about a game a month (though I am a XBL and achievement whore). I am a total gamer!!!
 
[quote name='Sporadic']We are almost in the same boat about something.

I can't justify the price of a Blu-Ray player because I believe that combo players will become the standard and why waste money on another player when I can put it towards movies (and IMPORTS :bouncy: i have a massive hard-on for imports)[/QUOTE]

Yea, there aren't any movies I can't live without (on either format), so I'm fine missing out on HD-DVDs for now. Personally, I think the majority of movies on both Hi-Def formats aren't too great.

If it looks like there won't be a winner determined, I'll probably cave and go for a combo player when they are cheap.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Yes, Ive had a 360 since launch. So 17k points is about a game a month (though I am a XBL and achievement whore). I am a total gamer!!![/QUOTE]

As a matter of fact, yes, yes you are.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Well, you didn't earn those points watchin' movies, did ya?[/QUOTE]

I wish you did earn points by watching movies.. I would have a pretty big high score by now.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Well, then, they'd no longer be able to call it a "gamer"score, gamer.[/QUOTE]

Wait, the 360 has games on it?
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Wait, the 360 has games on it?[/quote]
I just bought a 360 and ask myself the same question...
Anyways, "Gamers don't buy movies" is a stupid statement when 50% of HD-DVD players out there are 360 add-ons. And we all know somone isn't going to buy a 360 and a add-on just to watch HD-DVD, they are going to buy a 360 becasue they are a gamer and then the HD-DVD add-on to watch movies.

BTW, the 10+ hours I have logged on Oblivion, Resistance, Super Stardust HD, and Warhawk contradict your statement that the PS3 has no games. :)

And my 8 blu-ray movies contradict that statement that gamers don't buy movies.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Anyways, "Gamers don't buy movies" is a stupid statement when 50% of HD-DVD players out there are 360 add-ons. And we all know somone isn't going to buy a 360 and a add-on just to watch HD-DVD, they are going to buy a 360 becasue they are a gamer and then the HD-DVD add-on to watch movies.[/QUOTE]

Please re-read the last two pages before you post sweetheart.

It's more than just that and I've explained it too many times.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Please re-read the last two pages before you post sweetheart.

It's more than just that and I've explained it too many times.[/quote]
I did read it and disagree with everything you said :)
And what classifies "gamer?" people who buy ps2 or etc just to play madden, people who buy the wii for wii sports, or the more hardcore who buy it for other games. Because a lot of the Playstation brand is built on last gen in playing Madden in things like that, which carries over to the PS3, whihc is evident by the only 60% knowing about HD-capabilities.

Anyways, I still think that's a dumb statement.
 
If you guys have more than 25 movies in either format, I say you bad taste in movies.
I don't even look at the HD sections anymore, they're all trash.

Sorry guys. :p
 
[quote name='dallow']If you guys have more than 25 movies in either format, I say you bad taste in movies.
I don't even look at the HD sections anymore, they're all trash.

Sorry guys. :p[/QUOTE]

Depends if you're buying all domestically. I need to get "Volcano High" and "Brave Story" one of these days. Frankly I'm mad that "My Sassy Girl" was cancelled for HD DVD in Japan as I was planning on getting it. I LOVE the movie and seeing Jeon Ji-Hyun in HD, definite bonus. Granted it wouldn't be as good as seeing all those chicks on "Sex Is Zero" in HD instead.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Its been announced...but the disc size has not. Who knows. I fully expect to see a 51GB this year. When that happens...of course, it will be no big deal to the Blu-ray camp because its simply a publicity stunt.[/quote]
No chance. TL51 has been approved, which means it goes into final testing. If testing goes swimmingly, it can be ratified at the next meeting of the HD DVD Steering Committe, which IIRC is at the end of October/beginning of November timeframe. If it is not ratified at that meeting, it has to wait till next year. Either way, I don't expect to see a title using it until next year, if ever.
 
[quote name='2Fast']Why oh why can't they release Batman Begins on Blu-Ray? I'll probably pick up an HD-DVD add-on eventually, because I have to have this movie in hi-def.[/quote]
The most likely reason for it being cancelled/postponed would be BD-Video 1.1 being delayed again until next year. All players introduced after November 1 were supposed to be compliant, but the only one announced for release (the Denon) was suddenly postponed to Q1/Q2 2008 timeframe. They haven't officially announced that this is due to the 1.1 spec slipping again, but everybody suspects that.

The reason that matters is because Batman Begins is chock full of interactive features, including a (rather impressive, IMO) PiP commentary, which BD-1.0 can't do. Warner has said that they won't release any of their existing titles without these features. If they've waited this long, doesn't really hurt them to wait a little longer.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Depends if you're buying all domestically. I need to get "Volcano High" and "Brave Story" one of these days. Frankly I'm mad that "My Sassy Girl" was cancelled for HD DVD in Japan as I was planning on getting it. I LOVE the movie and seeing Jeon Ji-Hyun in HD, definite bonus. Granted it wouldn't be as good as seeing all those chicks on "Sex Is Zero" in HD instead.[/quote]There are even less foreign movies I'm interested in HD at the moment.

I know you're a big Nippon-ophile though hehe.
 
[quote name='dallow']There are even less foreign movies I'm interested in HD at the moment.

I know you're a big Nippon-ophile though hehe.[/QUOTE]

Actually all but one of the movies I mentioned are Korean.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Actually all but one of the movies I mentioned are Korean.[/quote]If I said "close enough", would you strangle me? jk jk
Forgive me ignorance, I mostly watch older movies, domestic and foreign.
 
More great news for Blu-ray today!
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s..._to_Close_Out_2007__with_Underdog_Blu-ray/969

In what Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment says will be its last-announced 2007 Blu-ray release, the studio has confirmed that the family adventure 'Underdog' will hit high-def this December.

Though it didn't exactly hit theaters with "...the speed of lightning and a roar of thunder," the live-action remake of the classic '60s cartoon serial will make a fairly speedy trip to video, debuting on Blu-ray day-and-date with the standard-def DVD on December 18.
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This is a glance at their Holiday titles for the most important Q4 for either format
10/16 - The Invisible (Buena Vista)
10/23 - Meet The Robinsons
11/06 - Pixar Shorts
11/06 - Cars
11/06 - Ratatouille
11/20 - Badder Santa (Buena Vista)
11/20 - Santa Clause 3
12/04 - Pirates World's End
12/11 - High School Musical 2
12/18 - Underdog

Nice! Its pretty sad when a small studio like Starz (Anchor Bay) is releasing just as many titles as that big studio Disney.

It can't be replication problems because Blu-ray just lost Paramount and Dreamworks. There should be plenty of time to get these discs pressed, even with the high yield rates.
 
[quote name='dallow']I already knew these dates for the Pixar movies.

11/06 is going to be very expensive for me.[/QUOTE]

The only movie I am buying from Disney this year is Badder Santa. Cars will have that awesome 'fake' PiP like The Descent. Now you see why they really need 50GB discs, right? Not for extras, better visuals, audio...nope. I really love this unfinished format :roll:
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']The only movie I am buying from Disney this year is Badder Santa. Cars will have that awesome 'fake' PiP like The Descent. Now you see why they really need 50GB discs, right? Not for extras, better visuals, audio...nope. I really love this unfinished format :roll:[/quote]
Is it why HD DVD needs 51GB discs?

Is it true the PiP in the HD DVD titles have really unbalanced volumes?
Like when the PiP audio kicks in it's really high, and when it goes back to the movie, it's extra low?

That's one of the HD DVD guys said over at AVS anyway.

This is really a stupid argument anyway. You're still seeing the extras.

And as I've said before, I'll never watch it.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Any word on the original "High School Musical" coming to Blu-Ray this year?[/QUOTE]

No...the second one is...:whistle2:#
 
[quote name='dallow']Is it why HD DVD needs 51GB discs?

Is it true the PiP in the HD DVD titles have really unbalanced volumes?
Like when the PiP audio kicks in it's really high, and when it goes back to the movie, it's extra low?

That's one of the HD DVD guys said over at AVS anyway.

This is really a stupid argument anyway. You're still seeing the extras.

And as I've said before, I'll never watch it.[/QUOTE]

Nahh, neither format needs 50/51GB discs at this point. Having both the HD DVD and DVD on one side will be great though. Something Blu-ray simply can't do. Its just sad that the 'superior' Blu-ray still can't handle PiP and has to fake it. Now we know WHY they needed 50GB so fast.

As for the audio...never experienced it. Maybe it was his setup? I watched through most of 300 using PiP and it played the movie just fine. It did, however, lower the movie volume while someone was speaking (much like any Commentary for a movie).
 
Blu-Ray movies can suck my cock. They're all like 35 bucks and shit. Where the fuck are we? Japan? Where movies and music are so overpriced it's cheaper to import from America? Not even PS3 games rose that much in price from PS2 games, and the games primarily rose due to "increased development costs." The 360 is evidence of this, as it still uses DVDs and games generally cost the same as PS3 games. I don't see where movie companies get off charging so much more for Blu-Ray discs.
 
[quote name='Chuplayer']Blu-Ray movies can suck my cock. They're all like 35 bucks and shit. Where the fuck are we? Japan? Where movies and music are so overpriced it's cheaper to import from America? Not even PS3 games rose that much in price from PS2 games, and the games primarily rose due to "increased development costs." The 360 is evidence of this, as it still uses DVDs and games generally cost the same as PS3 games. I don't see where movie companies get off charging so much more for Blu-Ray discs.[/quote]Joke post?
 
[quote name='dallow']Joke post?[/QUOTE]

No, I'm just guessing he's in the UK.

On both formats it's just cheaper to import from America then to buy locally.
 
So don't buy them from Best Buy. We all know better. Buy from Amazon, or buy.com, or WHV, or DVDEmpire, or DeepDiscountDVD, or Pacific DVD.

Or if you MUST buy them at BB, at least get them to price match target.com or walmart.com
 
[quote name='geko29']So don't buy them from Best Buy. We all know better. Buy from Amazon, or buy.com, or WHV, or DVDEmpire, or DeepDiscountDVD, or Pacific DVD.

Or if you MUST buy them at BB, at least get them to price match target.com or walmart.com[/QUOTE]

The problem is BR isn't looking to consistently sell catalog's at $30 MSRP so we can get them at $20 at Amazon.com . Anything higher domestically is a ripoff period. I even feel new releases in HD past $20 are a rip though I'll give a $3 leeway for combo's. For the game prices it's a joke, it's actually to screw us over and charge us more IMO. I don't understand why the game market can't have a standard low price like DVD except $50. Look at some of the low tech stuff, do they sell them at $50 or below? NO! They sell it at $60. Even "F.E.A.R." I was told was an easy port done at the lowest common denominator and look at the price they charge there.
Why haven't PC prices really gone up drastically? I mean the base is so much bigger but the consoles have a pretty nice base considering they only have to program for ONE spec. Yes you can argue royalties but come on, it's still more a cakewalk with the one spec. and shit like Renderware to use.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Seriously there is just no point in buying anything HD B&M yet.

I only buy from online thanks to the price difference.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I feel that. Target use to be reasonable then they went crazy on catalog prices. Costco I wouldn't mind buying HD DVD's from older since I know they'd offer deals.
 
[quote name='dallow']Frys is best for B&M stores.[/QUOTE]

Yes and the ONLY place where you can find HD DVD priced reasonably is B&M for Fry's. Otherwise the only HDM they'll sell for a reasonable to good price online is BR. It's bullshit. They use to be reasonable for HD DVD online I thought. Now they BLATANTLY favor BR there.
 
Yeah, every blu-ray movie practically 20$ at Amazon is a rip-off! Anyways, go to Target where The most expensive movie that they sell is The Departed for 30$.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Depends if you're buying all domestically. I need to get "Volcano High" and "Brave Story" one of these days. Frankly I'm mad that "My Sassy Girl" was cancelled for HD DVD in Japan as I was planning on getting it. I LOVE the movie and seeing Jeon Ji-Hyun in HD, definite bonus. Granted it wouldn't be as good as seeing all those chicks on "Sex Is Zero" in HD instead.[/QUOTE]

i love you dude
 
[quote name='Milkyman']i love you dude[/QUOTE]

Haha. The only detraction is I doubt ANY of those titles have Lossless. I can't understand how most BR titles importwise have Lossless but except for the Studio Canal titles most HD DVD imports don't have it. I mean isn't the mandatory TrueHD coding applied to Toshiba players worldwide? For crying out loud "Volcano High" is released by Toshiba in Japan and it doesn't use TrueHD. X-( Granted seeing it in high def and loud bass would do it for me, mainly as I don't have a choice or the sound to really utilize 5.1.
 
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Fox/Disc_Announcements/Fox_Re-Jiggers_Die_Hard_Blu-ray_Plans/970

Fox Home Entertainment has issued updated specs for its Blu-ray debut of the 'Die Hard' franchise, and in a change of plans, it turns out fans will be able to purchase all four films either together as a complete set or as stand-alone releases.
This configuration differs from the one outlined in Fox's earlier annnouncement that it would bring all four films in the blockbuster 'Die Hard' franchise to Blu-ray on November 20. Originally, the latest installment 'Live Free or Die Hard' was to be made available only as a stand-alone release, while the other three 'Die Hard' films would only be made available as part of a 'Die Hard Trilogy' box set.
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Now the studio has released brand new specs for the box set, which has been renamed 'The Die Hard Collection' and is set to include all four films in the franchise. Furthermore, Fox now says it will also make the first three films -- 'Die Hard,' 'Die Hard 2: Die Harder' and 'Die Hard with a Vengeance' -- available as stand-alone Blu-ray releases.
Details for each of the individual films remain the same, with each 'Die Hard' flick enjoying a BD-50 dual-layer disc with 1080p/AVC MPEG-4 video and DTS-HD Lossless Master Audio 5.1 surround tracks.
'Live Free or Die Hard' will boast each of the supplements included on the concurrently-released two-disc standard-def DVD, plus at least one Blu-ray exclusive. Extras on each of the other three flicks will mirror those found on each title's standard-def DVD counterparts.
Retail for each individual 'Die Hard' release will be $39.98, with 'The Die Hard Collection' retailing for $129.98 (a $30 discount versus purchasing each title individually).
You'll find disc details for all four 'Die Hard' releases and the 'Die Hard Collection' box set linked from our Blu-ray Release Schedule, where all are indexed under November 20.
We've also set up a dedicated thread for the next gen debut of the 'Die Hard' flicks in our Forums area -- click the following link to discuss the 'Die Hard' Blu-ray releases.
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Hooray for Fox not being stupid! Now I can go back to be being excited about Die Hard Again! If only they released the unrated version on Blu-ray.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/High-Def_Retailing/Target/Target_Doubles_Shelf_Space_for_Blu-ray_HD_DVD_Levels_Unchanged/968
Some things about this article may not be true, A lot of targets (including the one I work at) increaesed blu-ray while decreasing HD-DVD. They went from each having 3 columns of 5 shelfs to blu-ray 4 colums of 5 shelves and HD-DVD 2 columns of 5 shelves. It's not a big deal though, as most of the blu-ray movies just have 2 facing instead of one so we carry the same amount of movies. now, this could be something that could change with the holiday season, but this just happened about a month ago, so it could change again, but that's how it is now. Stupid Target...

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/MGM/RoboCop_Blu-ray_Gets_New_Transfer,_But_No_Extras/966
Specs are in for MGM Home Entertainment's long-delayed Blu-ray release of 'RoboCop,' and it looks to be a case of good news/bad news for fans of the cult favorite.

As long-time readers of this site will remember, RoboCop was originally scheduled to hit Blu-ray back in the summer of 2006, only to be cancelled days before its release. Although that version of the disc never hit store shelves, early copies had already been sent out to various media outlets, and the reviews that followed were ugly to say the least (our own Peter Bracke gave that disc's transfer painfully low marks).

Over a year later, MGM is finally returning to the scene of the crime, and the good news is that specs released by the studio indicate a brand new high-def transfer for the title's October 9th Blu-ray bow. Apparently minted from a cleaned up version of the film's unrated cut, MGM says the upcoming BD-25 single-layer release will feature 1080p/AVC MPEG-4 video, as well as a new DTS-HD Lossless Master Audio 5.1 Surround track.

However, in a move that's sure to frustrate fans, the set's sole bonus feature will be a theatrical trailer -- this, despite the fact that MGM released a feature-packed two-disc special edition of the film on standard DVD in late August, and even the earlier cancelled Blu-ray featured an audio commentary, a documentary and deleted scenes.

No reason was given for the dropped extras.

As always, you'll find complete disc details for 'RoboCop' linked from our Blu-ray Release Schedule, where it is indexed under November 9.

We've also set up a dedicated thread for MGM's latest in our Forums area -- click the following link to discuss the 'RoboCop' Blu-ray release.
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Better transfer and lossless audio > extras IMO.

And BTW, what's going on? I come in here today and there are no argument's going on. Is the world ending? :D
 
I don't care about extras, but damnit, why does Fox insist on using DTS-HD MA for their lossless tracks.
NO F'ING PLAYER CAN PLAY IT!
 
[quote name='dallow']I don't care about extras, but damnit, why does Fox insist on using DTS-HD MA for their lossless tracks.
NO F'ING PLAYER CAN PLAY IT![/QUOTE]

Maybe it takes up less space over TrueHD? Btw dallow you on XBL? I'd like to add you.
 
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