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[quote name='Sarang01']Maybe it takes up less space over TrueHD? Btw dallow you on XBL? I'd like to add you.[/quote]It takes up more space I believe. But there is plenty of space for both, and even to add a raw PCM soundtrack as well.

I sold my 360 sarang to get a new Premium with HDMI.
I kinda went on a spending spree furnishing my new apartment, so I haven't bought it yet. I'll let you know though.
(previously though, I never made a live account, only had like 2 games, guess it's time to start finally)
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/High-Def_Retailing/Target/Target_Doubles_Shelf_Space_for_Blu-ray_HD_DVD_Levels_Unchanged/968
Some things about this article may not be true, A lot of targets (including the one I work at) increaesed blu-ray while decreasing HD-DVD. They went from each having 3 columns of 5 shelfs to blu-ray 4 colums of 5 shelves and HD-DVD 2 columns of 5 shelves. It's not a big deal though, as most of the blu-ray movies just have 2 facing instead of one so we carry the same amount of movies. now, this could be something that could change with the holiday season, but this just happened about a month ago, so it could change again, but that's how it is now. Stupid Target...[/QUOTE]

The BDA gave Target a nice sum of money to have a Blu-ray endcap...not surprised to see Target expand their HDM section to try and sell that $500 crippled machine. :cool:
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']The BDA gave Target a nice sum of money to have a Blu-ray endcap...not surprised to see Target expand their HDM section to try and sell that $500 crippled machine. :cool:[/QUOTE]

That would be the $500 machine that is outselling the $300 crippled Toshiba machine (hey, if your definition of "crippled" is "any format that requires firmware updates to use features," then HD DVD is fair game, puddin'), right?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']That would be the $500 machine that is outselling the $300 crippled Toshiba machine (hey, if your definition of "crippled" is "any format that requires firmware updates to use features," then HD DVD is fair game, puddin'), right?[/QUOTE]

Outselling :lol:

You're still stuck on Sony's graphs, right?

As per 'crippled' meaning it WON'T be playing any 1.1 or 2.0 content. Thats going to be the sad fact very soon. Luckily Target has a 90 days return period for the unhappy customers.

"In light of recent comments made regarding high definition stand-alone video players sales, Toshiba would like to reiterate its continued industry leading sales figures. Based on July data from NPD, Toshiba had a 55% market share year to date in high definition stand alone player sales followed by all Blu-ray companies at a combined 42%; the final 3 percent is held by dual format players.

While the competition may claim leadership based on one month of data, Toshiba has had continued sales leadership in every month since the original HD DVD players launched 17 months ago.
 
Tee-hee. You're so dense, thinking that "year to date" means that Sony was lying when they provided the very same NPD data that shows BR standalones outselling HD standalones for the past 3 months.

If HD standalone marketshare is currently 55% YTD, and it was 70% YTD much earlier in the year, you must deal with the mathematical necessity that BR standalones, at some point, have been outselling HD standalones. Even the HDG statement confirms that.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Tee-hee. You're so dense, thinking that "year to date" means that Sony was lying when they provided the very same NPD data that shows BR standalones outselling HD standalones for the past 3 months.

If HD standalone marketshare is currently 55% YTD, and it was 70% YTD much earlier in the year, you must deal with the mathematical necessity that BR standalones, at some point, have been outselling HD standalones. Even the HDG statement confirms that.[/QUOTE]

No,
I tend to agree with:

While the competition may claim leadership based on one month of data, Toshiba has had continued sales leadership in every month since the original HD DVD players launched 17 months ago.

If we even try and use the BDA's graphs, then today Blu-ray should be outselling HD DVD 15:1. Atleast, thats how the scale was going up :lol:
 
Now you're just trolling, trying to talk about things not even on the chart.

And, laughably, begrudgingly and indirectly admitting that you were wrong that BR had not outsold HD standalones. That's about as much as I'll get out of you for a "you were right," I suppose.
 
This topic warrants 183 pages worth of replies? Just get the LG Dual Format player when it comes out. Discussion over. Or you could just stick with plain old boring regular DVD's, and not have to pay hundreds of dollars for the ability to see the dandruff in Russell Crowes hair.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']This topic warrants 183 pages worth of replies? Just get the LG Dual Format player when it comes out. Discussion over. Or you could just stick with plain old boring regular DVD's, and not have to pay hundreds of dollars for the ability to see the dandruff in Russell Crowes hair.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, lets all pay $1000 for a Dual Format player that can't utilize HDi when you can get a PS3 and a A2 for $800 with 10 free movies+.

Why would anyone but people who have only 56K have 10 replies for a page? Change it to 50 like everyone else.
 
[quote name='dallow']It takes up more space I believe. But there is plenty of space for both, and even to add a raw PCM soundtrack as well.

I sold my 360 sarang to get a new Premium with HDMI.
I kinda went on a spending spree furnishing my new apartment, so I haven't bought it yet. I'll let you know though.
(previously though, I never made a live account, only had like 2 games, guess it's time to start finally)
[/QUOTE]

Aight man, be nice to have another on my friend list who likes J-RPG's and doesn't foam at the mouth for FPS's.
Could I suggest you pick up a Japanese one with these features instead? It'll save you money buying that so you can pick up Asian versions of Western games instead as well as the exclusive Japanese stuff.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Aight man, be nice to have another on my friend list who likes J-RPG's and doesn't foam at the mouth for FPS's.
Could I suggest you pick up a Japanese one with these features instead? It'll save you money buying that so you can pick up Asian versions of Western games instead as well as the exclusive Japanese stuff.[/quote]Where would be the place to pick one up?

Exclusive Japanese stuff on 360?
Hehe, I kinda chuckled. (jk)
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Depends if you're buying all domestically. I need to get "Volcano High" and "Brave Story" one of these days. Frankly I'm mad that "My Sassy Girl" was cancelled for HD DVD in Japan as I was planning on getting it. I LOVE the movie and seeing Jeon Ji-Hyun in HD, definite bonus. Granted it wouldn't be as good as seeing all those chicks on "Sex Is Zero" in HD instead.[/quote]I Googled that Jeon Ji-Hyun actress and now I wanna see her movies. I've only reallly seen one extended movie/TV series from that area of the world (South Korea, actually) with Lee Da Hae and I found the whole thing quite enchanting. I'm gonna try and track down these movies you're talking about. Any suggestions?
 
[quote name='dallow']Where would be the place to pick one up?

Exclusive Japanese stuff on 360?
Hehe, I kinda chuckled. (jk)[/QUOTE]

Yes there is that stuff. "Diario", "Absolute: Blazing Infinity", "Idolm@ster", "A-Train HX", "Aquazone", "Spectral Force 3: Innocent Rage", "The Coveni 200X".

As for Korean stuff Steve I highly recommend "A Tale Of Two Sisters", "Delightful Girl Choon-Hyang" and "One Percent Of Anything". If you like "My Sassy Girl" I'd suggest "Windstruck" which is like a prequel to it. Oh yeah also "Only You" and I like "Densha Otoko".
Some I've suggested are movies, other's are drama's.
edit: Btw "Windstruck" is the only other movie I know of with Jeon Ji-Hyun off the top of my head. Sorry. Those other show's are good as well and Han Chae Young isn't bad. Kim Hyun Jung is quite good in "One Percent Of Anything" which features the man who plays the grandfather in "The Host".
 
[quote name='dallow']I know about a couple of those, but not all.
A new A-Train huh? Man, gotta look it up. Guilty pleasure.[/QUOTE]

Yeah if you're a Strat RPG fan like me you'd be interested in the Nippon Ichi stuff. Anyway most likely Play-Asia will carry Japanese 360's with HDMI, hopefully Elite's like that too. Sadly I doubt some of the old gamerpic's will be on there though. I LOVE having the RRXX gamerpic's on mine.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I was in Sam's today, and noticed they had BR players and videos for sale. HD DVD was nowhere to be found. I hope Wal-Mart is next.[/QUOTE]

Yet my Sams Club has only HD DVD players and HD DVD movies :lol:
Same can be said for Costco as well (With A2 players and 2 different HD DVD movies with only 1 Blu-ray player). Different store, different demographics.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Yet my Sams Club has only HD DVD players and HD DVD movies :lol: [/QUOTE]

Yeah, weren't there pictures of an HD-DVD display set up in Sam's Club awhile back? I could have swore I seen them a few months ago.
 
Ok..I call fourth the Audiophiles here... (Dallow seems to be in the know)

Looking to FINALLY get a sound system for my apartment.

Ive been looking at the Sony Bravia Theaters (yeah, yeah, SONY!), and they seem pretty good.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/prod...ems on sale-_-Sony BRAVIA Home Theater System
How is this one? Will this take advantage of some/all of the audio that HD DVD/Blu-ray can do? I really don't know the exact difference between DD+, PCM, Lossless, TrueHD...etc.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Yeah, weren't there pictures of an HD-DVD display set up in Sam's Club awhile back? I could have swore I seen them a few months ago.[/QUOTE]

I don't recall those. My Wal-Mart does have a nice 4 page 'HD DVD' brochure...made by Wal-Mart. No Blu-ray one to be found...:cool:
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Ok..I call fourth the Audiophiles here... (Dallow seems to be in the know)

Looking to FINALLY get a sound system for my apartment.

Ive been looking at the Sony Bravia Theaters (yeah, yeah, SONY!), and they seem pretty good.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/prod...ems on sale-_-Sony BRAVIA Home Theater System
How is this one? Will this take advantage of some/all of the audio that HD DVD/Blu-ray can do? I really don't know the exact difference between DD+, PCM, Lossless, TrueHD...etc.[/QUOTE]


That is a decent HTiB, but I wouldn't go that route.

Best Buy has a deal where you can get the Klipsch Quintet 3, Yamaha 661, and Klipsch 10" 420 watt sub for either $800-$900 (you do not have to buy a DVD player to get the discount like the signs instore say). It will blow the Sony out of the water. Many HTiB's (especially Sony's) use proprietary speaker wire connections so you will be limited to those speakers it comes with always. Also they are very lacking when it comes to inputs in the back (the Sony only has one optical in). I was going to get links for the other stuff but bb.com is down right now.


That Sony does not support lossless audio (but either does the Yamaha receiver). A good receiver that supports lossless audio is still going to be quite expensive, so I recommend putting that money into better speakers for now. Just buy a TrueHD audio receiver when it become cheaper.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']That is a decent HTiB, but I wouldn't go that route.

Best Buy has a deal where you can get the Klpisch Quintet 3, Yamaha 661, and Klipsch 10" 420 watt sub for either $800-$900. Get that with the two years no interest and it will blow the Sony out of the water. Many HTiB's (especially Sony's) use proprietary speaker wire connections so you will be limited to those speakers it comes with always. Also they are very lacking when it comes to inputs in the back.


That Sony does not support lossless audio (but either does the Yamaha receiver). A good receiver that supports lossless audio is still going to be quite expensive, so I recommend putting that money into better speakers for now. Just buy a TrueHD audio receiver when it become cheaper.[/QUOTE]

I'm not looking to go all out for a Home Theater right now. I won't even consider it for a few years to be honest. Just looking for a decent, average HTIAB setup that will take advantage of some of HD/BR audio specs.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']I'm not looking to go all out for a Home Theater right now. I won't even consider it for a few years to be honest. Just looking for a decent, average HTIAB setup that will take advantage of some of HD/BR audio specs.[/QUOTE]


None exist atm for HD/BR lossless audio as far as I know. The first one will be the Sony HTiB that comes with a built in Blu ray player.

That Sony you linked is a really good HTiB though.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']None exist atm for HD/BR lossless audio as far as I know. The first one will be the Sony HTiB that comes with a built in Blu ray player.

That Sony you linked is a really good HTiB though.[/QUOTE]

So the one I linked...what is the best audio it will play (DD+, PCM etc.)? Sorry, like I said, I am a total newb at the audio stuff.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']So the one I linked...what is the best audio it will play (DD+, PCM etc.)? Sorry, like I said, I am a total newb at the audio stuff.[/QUOTE]

From sonystyle.com

Dolby® Digital EX Decoding

* no

Dolby® Pro Logic® Decoding

* yes

Dolby® Pro Logic® II Decoding

* yes

dts®-ES Decoding

* no
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']So the one I linked...what is the best audio it will play (DD+, PCM etc.)? Sorry, like I said, I am a total newb at the audio stuff.[/QUOTE]

From sonystyle.com

Dolby® Digital EX Decoding

* no

Dolby® Pro Logic® Decoding

* yes

Dolby® Pro Logic® II Decoding

* yes

dts®-ES Decoding

* no


So it supports DTS, Dolby Digital, Dolby Pro Logic, Dolby Pro Logic II.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']From sonystyle.com

Dolby® Digital EX Decoding

* no

Dolby® Pro Logic® Decoding

* yes

Dolby® Pro Logic® II Decoding

* yes

dts®-ES Decoding

* no[/QUOTE]

Hmmm...So its not really taking advantage of many of the audio offers that HD/BR have? Too many decisions, lol.
 
Gizmo technically those HD DVD players are suppose to decode the TrueHD to PCM and stream it to the A/V receiver so you need not worry. You'll get the Lossless you want.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']How is this one? Will this take advantage of some/all of the audio that HD DVD/Blu-ray can do? I really don't know the exact difference between DD+, PCM, Lossless, TrueHD...etc.[/quote] VERY bad choice, sorry. That HTIB has ZERO HDMI inputs. So it's impossible to get DD+, TrueHD, or PCM sound unmolested from it. What's worse, is there also aren't any optical inputs. There is one coaxial input, so if you buy an external converter box, you can get the crappy DTS or DD downmix/reencode from ONE of your players, while being stuck with even crappier stereo from the other. In addition, Sony speakers are generally not all that hot, though admittedly I haven't heard any of them in a few years. You're also paying for a DVD player that you could care less about.

If you're set on a HTIB and you're looking in that price range, I'd probably look at This Onkyo, which has TWO HDMI inputs. In addition to that, Onkyo electronics and speakers are both generally a few steps above Sony.

Of course, the best choice is to get a receiver and speakers seperately. But that's obviously significantly more expensive and may be out of your budget. If it is, just roll the Onkyo.

[quote name='Sarang01']Gizmo technically those HD DVD players are suppose to decode the TrueHD to PCM and stream it to the A/V receiver so you need not worry. You'll get the Lossless you want.[/quote]
With no HDMI and no 5.1 analog inputs, it's completely impossible to get any sound better than DD or DTS to that receiver.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Dallow what about that onkyo that geko posted? Any good for hd/br?[/quote]It's really good for a Home Theater in a Box setup.
And has HDMI.

However it won't allow for lossless playback.
It'll sound great in an apartment though!
Still 10,000x better than TV speakers.

I don't believe there's a HTiB setup currently with lossless audio available.
You'd have to buy the receiver, and speakers seperately.

I think the cheapest HD audio receiver is a Sony that clocks in at about $350-$399.

However that setup would be nice, and you can upgrade the receiver later when the prices drop.
 
[quote name='dallow']It's really good for a Home Theater in a Box setup.
And has HDMI.

However it won't allow for lossless playback.
It'll sound great in an apartment though!
Still 10,000x better than TV speakers.

I don't believe there's a HTiB setup currently with lossless audio available.
You'd have to buy the receiver, and speakers seperately.[/quote]
Actually it will. Provided the player can decode the sound (which, with the exception of DTS-HD MA, all HD/BR players can do), all you need is HDMI 1.1 to get lossless sound. It's decoded in the player and sent out as multichannel PCM. PCM from Blu-Ray is obviously just sent out, as no decoding is necessary.

What I think you're getting confused on is that in order to have the RECEIVER do the decoding, it has to directly support the codecs, as well as have HDMI 1.3. Your player has to support sending the still-encoded audio as well, which most don't.
 
[quote name='geko29']Actually it will. Provided the player can decode the sound (which, with the exception of DTS-HD MA, all HD/BR players can do), all you need is HDMI 1.1 to get lossless sound. It's decoded in the player and sent out as multichannel PCM. PCM from Blu-Ray is obviously just sent out, as no decoding is necessary.

What I think you're getting confused on is that in order to have the RECEIVER do the decoding, it has to directly support the codecs, as well as have HDMI 1.3. Your player has to support sending the still-encoded audio as well, which most don't.[/quote]Oopsy! Never mind!
Forgot that 1.1 is all you need for LPCM to be sent via HDMI.
I just looked immediately at what that receiver could decode, but forgot that since the players decode it themselves, it doesn't matter.

In that case, it's ALL GOOD.
Go for it Giz.
 
The high-def homevid battle heated up again Tuesday when Rupert Murdoch and Robert Iger gave surprisingly strong endorsements to Sony's Blu-ray format before a crowd of Wall Streeters. News Corp. chief Murdoch leveled the charge that Paramount/DreamWorks Animation received a payout to make the switch to Toshiba's HD DVD format.

Murdoch, speaking at the Goldman Sachs confab in Gotham, became the first top exec to publicly make the accusation that HD DVD backer Toshiba had essentially bought Par's support.

"Paramount switched out the other day. God knows why," Murdoch said.

But then he said, essentially, that he did know why -- a $100 million payout to DreamWorks Animation and a $50 million check to Par.

In August, Par abruptly decided to support only HD DVD for the next wave of Par and DWA tentpoles it is releasing, including "Shrek the Third," "Blades of Glory" and "Transformers." Reports at the time said a payout of $150 million, nominally for marketing support, accounted for the move.

Asked about a payout at a later session, Viacom CEO Philippe Dauman didn't deny the allegation. "I won't comment on that number," he said.

Instead, he noted that supporting both formats "creates some inherent inefficiencies, and we would like to see the HD format have success."

The creation of two separate formats -- with Sony's critically lauded but pricier Blu-ray battling it out against Toshiba's sparer but less expensive HD -- has roiled Hollywood from the start. Fox, Sony and Disney opted to support Blu-ray exclusively, Universal chose HD, and Warners and Par went the ecumenical route and supported both.

But Par made a sudden switch in late August; at the time, it didn't acknowledge a payment but pointed to "an extensive evaluation of current market offerings which confirmed the clear benefits of HD DVD."

On Tuesday, both Murdoch and Disney topper Iger offered strong words of support for the Sony format.

"We believe it's a no-brainer that the industry should be behind Blu-ray," Iger said. At a lunch panel, Iger offered veiled criticism of the Viacom move. "We haven't taken any money (to choose Blu-ray) because we think it's far and away the best business," Iger said.

Murdoch concurred. "The public is going to want Blu-ray. The public can tell the difference," he said.

Warners, which continues to support both, has been less vocal; Time Warner CEO Richard Parsons said at a sesh later in the day that it is still too early to predict which side will win.

"The consumer doesn't care about the format. It's linear penetration that counts," Parsons said. "Our objective is not to take sides on the format but to do what we need to do to get maximum penetration."

While sales of Blu-ray discs have outpaced sales of HD DVD by most accounts, a new survey by research group NPD found that 29% of consumers were aware of HD DVD, compared to 20% for Blu-ray, and that consumers are enticed by the former's lower cost.

Still, execs who have chosen to support Blu-ray sounded a confident note. Said Iger: "It's disappointing that the industry hasn't managed to be cohesive. I think it's a foregone conclusion about which will win."

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117972216.html?categoryId=1009&cs=1

Man, as someone who loathes everything about Rupert Murdoch, it pains me to have to laugh at and agree with what he said. Moreover, Iger's comments about not being paid to be BR-exclusive are certainly stinging in the face of "no comment"s from Paramount, no?

"God knows why." Tee-hee.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117972216.html?categoryId=1009&cs=1

Man, as someone who loathes everything about Rupert Murdoch, it pains me to have to laugh at and agree with what he said. Moreover, Iger's comments about not being paid to be BR-exclusive are certainly stinging in the face of "no comment"s from Paramount, no?

"God knows why." Tee-hee.[/QUOTE]

Yet, Paramount did not get paid and there has been no proof of it besides a rumor some reported said. Disney IS getting some sort of incentives, same as Fox and any other studio releasing only on Blu-ray. Wether its cheaper prices on media or something they ARE getting some sort of incentive. Why in the world would any studio support ONE format when they could do both and get 100% possible sales? At this point Blu-ray is NOT selling as many movies as the BDA and Sony promised. The PS3 was NOT a huge success and HD DVD still kicks along selling just as many movies as they have before. For Disney to start talking crap is laughable considering to date Paramount has released more movies then Disney, and they havn't even announced their full Q4 schedule yet.
 
YES Paramount, as well as Dreamworks, got paid. YES so does some of the BR studios I'm sure. Disney has a stake in BR they get paid but it's because of the investment in BR, I think it has something to do with the java menu stuff not really sure exactly. I agree BR has not been the run away success they thought it would be. HD is still alive and kicking, but are being outsold in most territories. As far as Paramount releases, yes they have more than Disney but I think we can all agree Disney is going to have a bigger impact than Paramount. Disney has some of the highest grossing titles of all times in their library. This war is far from over now that Paramount (Dreamworks) chose to side with HD. I just still have to question HD's approach. If it is so much cheaper to make a HD disc, why does it cost the same as BR? Wouldn't it be smart to make HD titles $15 or $20 upon release? I know you can find some titles for that online, but let's face it Average Joe buy's at stores like BB and Wallyworld. I think cheaper players and cheaper disc's, along with swaying WB, and HD might actually win this war. Right now I think they are just putting off the inevitable. BR has too many electronic giants and studio giants supporting them. These giants don't go down without a hell of a fight.
Unfortunately I think this war will be decided by the corporate world and not by us .
 
[quote name='millrat1030']YES Paramount, as well as Dreamworks, got paid. YES so does some of the BR studios I'm sure. Disney has a stake in BR they get paid but it's because of the investment in BR, I think it has something to do with the java menu stuff not really sure exactly. I agree BR has not been the run away success they thought it would be. HD is still alive and kicking, but are being outsold in most territories. As far as Paramount releases, yes they have more than Disney but I think we can all agree Disney is going to have a bigger impact than Paramount. Disney has some of the highest grossing titles of all times in their library. This war is far from over now that Paramount (Dreamworks) chose to side with HD. I just still have to question HD's approach. If it is so much cheaper to make a HD disc, why does it cost the same as BR? Wouldn't it be smart to make HD titles $15 or $20 upon release? I know you can find some titles for that online, but let's face it Average Joe buy's at stores like BB and Wallyworld. I think cheaper players and cheaper disc's, along with swaying WB, and HD might actually win this war. Right now I think they are just putting off the inevitable. BR has too many electronic giants and studio giants supporting them. These giants don't go down without a hell of a fight.
Unfortunately I think this war will be decided by the corporate world and not by us .[/QUOTE]

I'm sure every studio gets some sort of incentive. Paramount is the #1 Studio this year.

HD DVDs are cheaper to produce...but its up to the studio to set the price. Fox sets there movies at $40 MSRP, so does Paramount. Warner sets most of their catalog titles at $25 on both formats. Universal sets most of their catalog titles at $25 MSRP. Its all up to the studios to set the price. Hell, if Universal wanted to sell them for $2 they sure as hell could.
 
Ya I know the studios set the price, but why doesn't HD throw some incentives in for them to sell HD titles for 5 or 10 bucks cheaper than BR? I guess that's my point.
So does anybody think WB will stand their ground and stay neutral, or will they choose a side now that they have pretty much put TotalHD on hold? And if they do choose to side with BR is that enough to end the war?
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Yet, Paramount did not get paid and there has been no proof of it besides a rumor some reported said.[/QUOTE]

Wow. Just...wow.
 
I thought I'd add some foreign films benefits to having Dreamworks. They're making the remakes of "My Sassy Girl" and "A Tale Of Two Sisters" here so I suspect they have the rights here to the originals as well.
I'd suggest harrassing Dreamworks to release them here.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']That's strange, I haven't had any issues with HDi. I have a feeling that this rumor wont turn out to be true. Any new features of HDi I'm sure can be handled through an update instead of a new player.[/quote] Nope, it's Engadget being stupid again. The announcement is accurate, but everything else in the article is wrong. Microsoft DID announce that there will be another HD DVD device in the 360 lineup. We don't know if it's going to be:

1) a 360 with an integrated HD DVD drive
2) a new (smaller, cheaper?) addon
3) the existing addon in black for Elite owners.

Or something completely different. What IS certain is it won't be to correct some nonexistent shortcomings in HDi support.
 
[quote name='geko29']Nope, it's Engadget being stupid again. The announcement is accurate, but everything else in the article is wrong. Microsoft DID announce that there will be another HD DVD device in the 360 lineup. We don't know if it's going to be:

1) a 360 with an integrated HD DVD drive
2) a new (smaller, cheaper?) addon
3) the existing addon in black for Elite owners.

Or something completely different. What IS certain is it won't be to correct some nonexistent shortcomings in HDi support.[/quote]

I don't see why MS would increase the cost of the 360 by making a 360 with built in HD-DVD as they don't suppor the format entirely, and 2nd, can't see hwo they could really make it smaller. My guess would be the 3rd in just making it black for elite owners.
 
[quote name='geko29']Nope, it's Engadget being stupid again. The announcement is accurate, but everything else in the article is wrong. Microsoft DID announce that there will be another HD DVD device in the 360 lineup. We don't know if it's going to be:

1) a 360 with an integrated HD DVD drive
2) a new (smaller, cheaper?) addon
3) the existing addon in black for Elite owners.

Or something completely different. What IS certain is it won't be to correct some nonexistent shortcomings in HDi support.[/quote]

Out of that list I'd say that #3 is most likely followed by #2.
 
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