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[quote name='guyver2077']cmon myke.. do your hw...

i have an elite system with hdmi. 1080p is available

thanks for the feedback though..

:)

May hold off. every now and then i just gert a sudden urge to upgrade to 1080p.

This guys offering 800 for my tv and a 360 pro..

The deal from newegg seems good to. I originally got my olevia from there. maybe i should check out the tv instore[/quote] be careful if you order a Aquos online. if you end up w/ bad banding. paying for shipping back and forth & restocking fees however many times it takes to get one w/o it may kill the deal.
 
[quote name='geko29']No it can't. Standalone players can, but the 360 MUST re-encode all advanced audio as either DD, DTS, or WMA Pro. The chipset does not have the bandwidth to transfer multichannel PCM out the HDMI port. It's a design flaw.

There is NO WAY to get TrueHD, DD+, DTS-HD, etc out of the 360 in its original quality.[/quote]
wow, how long did u have the response window up i edited my post twice before u posted lol.

i had read it did PCM, but i looked it up. it does 2 channel PCM. which is actually worse than DTS 5.1. well, unless you only have 2 speakers.
 
Yes. 2.0 PCM because that's all optical can carry.

Some people like watching in 2.0PCM and losing the surround channels. Go fig.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']wow, how long did u have the response window up i edited my post twice before u posted lol.[/quote]
Don't know when the first edit was, but the last one was 5 minutes after I posted. I don't remember having the window up long, but I'm writing a paper so it could have been a few minutes. Also, on a lot of forums, editing a post doesn't refresh the page, so you don't see posts made after yours right away. No idea if this forum is one of them.

At any rate, no worries.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']didnt we already go over this whole 1080i/1080p thing? only downside to the 360 HD DVD is no dolby TrueHD. but if he doesnt have a receiver that accepts that (or speakers good enough to take advantage of it), its kind of a moot point.[/QUOTE]

Have we been over it? Yes. Have either of us made any headway in convincing the other of their wrongness? Not in the slightest. I think you're full of it, and you surely think the converse is true, so let's just leave it at that, eh?

The reason I brought up 1080p is that, aside from a 5" larger screen, it's likely one of the few factors for guyver wanting a newer tv. I also brought it up because the 360 HD DVD player only goes to 1080i; as a consequence, if he wanted said new TV for viewing HD DVDs, it would be silly. If he wants it for 1080p Blu-Ray viewing/gaming on his PS3, or 1080p gaming on his 360, then fine-dandy-fine. But it's not going to help the HD DVD player at all.

[quote name='guyver2077']cmon myke.. do your hw...

i have an elite system with hdmi. 1080p is available

thanks for the feedback though..

:)

May hold off. every now and then i just gert a sudden urge to upgrade to 1080p.

This guys offering 800 for my tv and a 360 pro..

The deal from newegg seems good to. I originally got my olevia from there. maybe i should check out the tv instore[/QUOTE]

Sure. I didn't say you couldn't game in 1080p (those games that run at 1080p, at any rate, which are sparse on both systems, I believe). I said you couldn't watch HD DVDs in 1080p on your add on. Which is true.

Hmm. So you're talking $500 to upgrade to the Aquos w/ the free HTIB? The HTIB retails for $499, so it *may* be a deal if you don't have a quality audio system. dallow's the dude to chime in on whether or not the one they offer for free is even worth considering at the low price of $0, however.
 
That thing is junk.
It's a standard DVD player with a bunch of outputs.
No speakers at all.

$500?! They must be joking!
It is purely for aesthetics.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Sure. I didn't say you couldn't game in 1080p (those games that run at 1080p, at any rate, which are sparse on both systems, I believe). I said you couldn't watch HD DVDs in 1080p on your add on. Which is true.[/quote]
Actually it's not true. Connected via VGA or HDMI, you can play games or watch HD DVDs and even SD DVDs in 1080p. Since he has HDMI, he's set. He can do anything and everything in 1080p with his 360, with no limitations whatsoever (video wise).

[quote name='mykevermin'] Hmm. So you're talking $500 to upgrade to the Aquos w/ the free HTIB? The HTIB retails for $499, so it *may* be a deal if you don't have a quality audio system. dallow's the dude to chime in on whether or not the one they offer for free is even worth considering at the low price of $0, however.[/quote]
With only one coaxial input, no opticals, no HD video inputs or outputs of any kind, and no speakers, I'd say the audio system is a bust. But they're selling for a little over $100 on eFence, so I guess you could effectively knock that much off the price. :)
 
After getting fucked over by the Xbox division of Microsoft one too many times and realizing that I only use the 360 to play the occasional game, XBLA or to watch HD movies; I've decided just to sell the whole damn thing and buy a decent TV plus a HD-A2 player.

What do you guys think of this tv?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...94849?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

I know it's only 720p but I'm in a tiny room and I doubt I would be able to benefit from a 1080p. Plus I'm actually on a budget for once.
 
What happened with Microsoft?

I'd tell you to go get a BR player, but knowing how much you've imported so you wouldn't have to do that very thing (;)), I have to ask: wouldn't you benefit more from getting an HD-A3 over the A2?
 
[quote name='dallow']Oh, the HD-DVD add on does true 1080p?
I thought it just upscaled from 1080i, at least it did when first out.[/quote] Same thing. Perhaps you're confusing 30p with 24p?

If you have any HD DVD or Blu-Ray player hooked up to a 1080p/60 TV (that is, one that can't do 24fps), the movie is played back like so:

1080p/24 on disc-->Tecline-->1080i/60-->deinterlace-->1080p/60-->TV

The 360 couldn't, and still can't, output 1080p/24. But this Sharp TV doesn't support 24p, so the point is moot.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What happened with Microsoft?[/QUOTE]

Ugh, the combination of 6 years.

I swear every time I call they try to just fuck me in the ass with extra fees. Bought the Xbox on launch. It got hit by lightning, they wanted $150 to fix it. It's DVD drive died, I paid $150 to fix it. Got the 360, they tried to nickle and dime me the entire way. The HD-DVD drive broke, they wanted $80 to fix it.

What really broke the camel's back is that my old XBL account from the original Xbox, the one that was supposely canceled in 2005 and I couldn't renew with a prepaid code, never was canceled.

They charged my Dad's credit card (I was underage at the time so I used his CC) for 2006 and tried to charge it again this year but the card was expired. They finally decide to send me an email saying that they were charging me for an account I haven't used since 2005. I call them and explain what happened.

Oh no, they can't cancel the account until I give them a new credit card. Why you may ask? Because "the charge is pending and there is nothing we can do until we charge you, if you would have called anytime before now we could have canceled it". Well I just got the email today about it and you expect me to give you a new credit card so you can charge me for another year of shit I didn't even want in the first place? Get the fuck out of town and every time I tell the guy this he says "sir, I don't think you understand". No, I don't think you understand dickface I'm not paying for another year of XBL when I don't even use the account, just cancel the damn thing. Finally after yelling at him for an hour and a half, they agreed to cancel the account but added "we will probably still try to charge your credit card". But you just said you canceled it why the fuck would you still try to charge me?

Anyways moral of the story, fuck them, I have never been so mad at a customer service rep my whole life.

It's completely turned me off of them and I don't even want any of their products in my house anymore.

After I looked at the facts, a 32" LCD TV and a HD-DVD player would be better than a 360 I barely use and a Xbox I never use anyways.

[quote name='mykevermin']I'd tell you to go get a BR player, but knowing how much you've imported so you wouldn't have to do that very thing (;))[/QUOTE]

Blah, you guys don't have enough stuff that I like. Plus I'm an Universal fanboy at heart :bouncy:

[quote name='mykevermin']I have to ask: wouldn't you benefit more from getting an HD-A3 over the A2?[/QUOTE]

Nah, as far as I read, the HD-A3 is basically the A2 in a slimmer case which isn't worth the extra $70

Besides, I'm on a budget and I already bought my Dad an HD-A2 and it seems like a pretty good player.
 
Wow. Just...wow.

Sorry about your hard luck with them. I fully agree with your refusal to give them a CC to charge you for an account they KNOW hasn't been used in two years.

I had one Xbox die on me; after dealing with their CS, I tore it apart (gracefully) and sold it for parts on eBay. After that, I spent about $20 more to get the Tetris Whatever/Clone Wars Xbox at GS brand spankin' new.

I did have a decent experience with my one dead Xbox, though I loathe (and yet understand) when they make you do all that dumb shit to diagnose the problem (I'm a sharp dude, so I'm not calling MS because my 360 isn't plugged in - I KNOW when the fucker's dead).

And, last but not least, you can be both a Blu-Ray owner and a Universal fanboy; god knows you'll eventually have to switch over anyway if you want to buy their movies. Maybe not this christmas, but not too far in the future. ;)
 
MEGATON RUMOR!

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=17975

Hello,
I'm happy to announce that tomorrow 10AM PST Warner will issue a press release announcing they are going Blu-ray exclusive. I know many of you will not believe me and think this is simply a joke (which I dont blame you for) but I ask you one thing :
-Wait till tomorrow and see what happens. If the announcement doesn't come through, you can blame me all you want and ban me from the site.
Again I'm going to expect alot of doubful comments (or maybe some not nice ones
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As for those folks willing to have a bit more faith in me, let me give you some insights for tomorrow's announcement :

-Tomorrow Warner will announce going Blu-ray exclusive. However they will honor their commitment to HD DVD (unlike Paramount to Blu-ray) and release all the titles that were promised this year. Starting 2008, Warner will release only in Blu-ray Disc format.
-Waner will release all the previously exclusive HD DVD titles on Blu-ray by end of Q2 2008.
-The first Blu-ray live title (including PiP) from warner will release early 2008.
-As for their joint promotion with Toshiba regarding bundling 300 with 3rd generation Blu-ray players, the offer will expire December 2007.
-New Line will also go Blu-ray exclusive starting 2008 (Hairspray hint anyone?)
-One big catalogue title will be released exclusive on Blu-ray by Q2 2008. I believe Peter Jackson has something to do with that title
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Tomorrow 10AM Pacific Time. For those of you who will think I'm not telling the truth or being stupid, I respect that opinion. But coming tomorrow when Warner announces exclusivity, all of you have to send me a Blu-ray movie as a bonus
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From some random dude on bluray.com forums, honestly, I think this falls under the too good to be true category, but we shall find out tommorrow.

EDIT: This is a hoax, some HD-DVD fans on AVSforums decided it would be fun and troll the blu-ray.com forums.
 
I'd say. He says many people there know him, and if he's lying they can ban him, but he created a brand new ID for the SOLE purpose of posting this rumor? I call shenanegans.

But at least I only have to wait another 6 hours to verify what I already know. :)

Edit: And apparently he posted from a public internet terminal, so an IP ban wouldn't prevent him from using his main account. brave talk ("you can ban me from the site") from such a coward.
 
dont give up on that 360... you'll need it for smackdown!!!

and yea.. lets see what happens.. i may hold off..

i also didnt notice that the sharp system didnt have speakers.. wow.. that will make it hard to sell lol

so what tv output's that 1080/60? and will that be the norm or worth the extra cash?

and sucks about the banding. you would think they would of recalled and fix those units....

i guess i just thought about it because sharp is a name brand and the set looks nice.. sure its not a sexy samsung but its an improvement.

wtf.. ppl seem to like this hyndai 42in

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889179004

also for anyone on a budget.. i HIGHLY recommend the olevia tv's. they look great and have never given me a problem
 
Actually ALL 1080p sets do 60p. The unusual (and desirable) ones do 24p. The reason that's important is because film is shot at 24fps, so if a TV can show that at 24fps (or a multiple, most sets either triple to 72fps or quintuple to 120fps), then you don't get motion judder. Judder is what happens when you attempt to play 24fps content at 60fps. You have to repeat frames, but not the same number of times. Instead of repeating every frame 3 times (to get to 72fps), you get into a cadence that goes something like 3, 2, 2, 3, 3, 2, etc. So motion isn't as smooth as it should be.

But in order to take advantage of that, you need both a player and a set that do 24p.
 
A) If Warner goes BR that's it. Party's over for HD DVD.
B) Can't blame the CS guy for doing what he is told to. I'm surprised you haven't gotten a collection notice.
 
If Warner goes EITHER way, the format war is over, for all intents and purposes. They have released more titles than any studio except Universal, and the overall quality of titles they have released is second to none. 8 of the top 20 selling titles this year are WB, along with 9 of the top 20 selling SKUs--even though many of those titles were released LAST year. In addition, they have the strongest catalog.

HD DVD would shrivel up slightly faster than Blu-Ray would if Warner chose the opposite side, but make no mistake about it, Warner is the kingmaker. Whoever they choose wins. Period.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']BD could hold on with Sony owning MGM for awhile.[/quote] Just like UMD..... :) Sony can prop up a format and keep it from disappearing altogether by releasing their movies on it, but they can't come even remotely close to winning a format war by themselves. Hell they couldn't pull out a decisive victory with 7 of 8 studios releasing, vs. just 4 of 8. You honestly think they can "hang on" with 4 or less, especially when one of those 4 is NOT the most important studio in the game?

You are correct in the sense that even if the war was decided today (Warner went HD exclusive, Disney and Fox going at least neutral), there would still be BDs sold for a while to come, and people with PS3s to buy them. But you don't honestly think it would amount to anything, do you?
 
[quote name='geko29']Just like UMD..... :) Sony can prop up a format and keep it from disappearing altogether by releasing their movies on it, but they can't come even remotely close to winning a format war by themselves. Hell they couldn't pull out a decisive victory with 7 of 8 studios releasing, vs. just 4 of 8. You honestly think they can "hang on" with 4 or less, especially when one of those 4 is NOT the most important studio in the game?

You are correct in the sense that if the war was decided today (Warner went HD exclusive, Disney and Fox going at least neutral), there would still be BDs sold for a while to come, and people with PS3s to buy them. But you don't honestly think it would amount to anything, do you?[/QUOTE]

Isn't that your definition of holding on? I never said they'd win the format or even last five years.
 
Not really. If it were, then VHS is still holding on, because movies are still available. But VHS has quickly become irrelevant, just as HD DVD or Blu-Ray will once (if) the war is decided.
 
When's Blu-Ray gonna have a bookmarking feature? Out of all the capabilities between the two formats, I think that, thus far, on HD has been my favorite.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']When's Blu-Ray gonna have a bookmarking feature? Out of all the capabilities between the two formats, I think that, thus far, on HD has been my favorite.[/quote]Many of the newer ones already do.
Especially Sony's releases.
 
Lol, there was (accidentally) a tiny snippet of truth to that rumor. Beginning in January 2008, Warner will be permanently discontinuing releases in the HD DVD combo format. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix will be the last new release.
 
[quote name='geko29']Lol, there was (accidentally) a tiny snippet of truth to that rumor. Beginning in January 2008, Warner will be permanently discontinuing releases in the HD DVD combo format. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix will be the last new release.[/quote]

Yeah.... stupid HD-DVD fan boys trolling the Blu-ray.com forums.
 
:lol: Blu-ray.com forums are the very definition of fanboy:booty::hot:

that reminds me. u know ps3fanboy.com, xbox360fanboy.com & wiifanboy.com are all owned by AOL? funny stuff
 
[quote name='propeller_head']:lol: Blu-ray.com forums are the very definition of fanboy:booty::hot:

that reminds me. u know ps3fanboy.com, xbox360fanboy.com & wiifanboy.com are all owned by AOL? funny stuff[/quote]

Yeah, but it's BLU-RAY.COM, you would kind of expect it to be Blu-ray fanboy centric.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Hooray![/quote]Ditto. Goodbye, goodbye combos. Now follow the lead Universal and re-release those that you already sent out.
 
i still think the combos were a good idea for HD DVD. but only if they offered them for the same price as non-combos (& offered them both concurrently). i can see why some ppl like it better non-combo because of the disc art though. i guess the cost of running 2 lines for every movie is a little prohibitive at this stage in the game when production numbers are too low to justify that much distributed production. its a catch-22 really, its supposed to encourage DVD player owners to spend a little extra not to have to rebuy a movie. but its cost prohibitive until the DVD market slows and the HD market picks up.
 
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=547

News


Blu-ray Winning Europe 4-to-1

Posted October 1, 2007 by Josh

Blu-ray Disc Association Sony has announced that sales of Blu-ray titles in Europe are exceeding sales of HD DVD titles by a factor of 4-to-1. This decisive lead has forced studios such as Universum Film (Germany) and Studio Canal (France) to plan Blu-ray releases for this important Q4. Additionally, sales of standalone players has nearly caught up with HD DVD, reflecting a similar trend in the US where sales of Blu-ray players has surpassed that of HD DVD players.
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Europe is Sonyland.
 
If the US is too early to call (and I personally think it is), then Europe is REALLY too early to call. That 4:1 figure represents a lead of approximately ~180,000 discs. Across the entire CONTINENT. A single strong title can sell that many copies here in its first five days.

Player prices in Europe are still obscene (pretty much double what they are here), so basically the only people who buy any discs are the VERY wealthy, and video gamers. And since the PS3 ($568) has (understandably) sold more than the addon for the 360 ($256)--there's your disc sales.

The format war hasn't even BEGUN in Europe. Blu-Ray has a lead there similar to what HD DVD had here last year. As you've seen, things can change.
 
[quote name='geko29']If the US is too early to call (and I personally think it is), then Europe is REALLY too early to call. That 4:1 figure represents a lead of approximately ~180,000 discs. Across the entire CONTINENT. A single strong title can sell that many copies here in its first five days.

Player prices in Europe are still obscene (pretty much double what they are here), so basically the only people who buy any discs are the VERY wealthy, and video gamers. And since the PS3 ($568) has (understandably) sold more than the addon for the 360 ($256)--there's your disc sales.

The format war hasn't even BEGUN in Europe. Blu-Ray has a lead there similar to what HD DVD had here last year. As you've seen, things can change.[/quote]
True, but a 4to1 margin is still significant and with the Playstation 3 as popular in Europe as it is I think that will help, Especially since SingStar, Gran Turismo, Motorstorm, and Killzone all seem to be very popular franchises there.

And To me, The US wasn't too early to call until Paramount jumped ship, after that, your right.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=547


Europe is Sonyland.[/quote]
uh Universum film and SC had one or two BD scheduled releases anyway. this was from a couple months back. this story has nothing to do w/ that. and if you post a story like this, please use more than one source. Blu-ray.com isn't exactly the most impartial one. especially since they're quoting sony PR, and the sony PR doesnt even list the data source(s).
 
[quote name='propeller_head']uh Universum film and SC had one or two BD scheduled releases anyway. this was from a couple months back. this story has nothing to do w/ that. and if you post a story like this, please use more than one source. Blu-ray.com isn't exactly the most impartial one. especially since they're quoting sony PR, and the sony PR doesnt even list the data source(s).[/quote]

Blu-ray.com is indenpentaly run and I have yet to find a story that they posted that was considered inaccurate, and in fact most of their stories I find on Highdefdigest.com not too much later.
 
blu-ray.com is per your words
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Yeah, but it's BLU-RAY.COM, you would kind of expect it to be Blu-ray fanboy centric.[/quote]
and as i said. their source for the story is a sony press release. a press release which lists no sources of data.

i also have serious doubts there's not any collusion between the BDA & Blu-ray.com. or else there would have been a lawsuit looooooong ago.
 
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Dual-Format_Players/Samsung/Report:_Samsung_Cancels_BDP-2400_Blu-ray_Player,_Delays_BD-UP5000_Dual-Format_Player/1020

Samsung getting ready to go dual-format exclusive?
Report: Samsung Cancels BDP-2400 Blu-ray Player, Delays BD-UP5000 Dual-Format Player

Although they were among the most eagerly anticipated of the season, it seems two of Samsung's previously-announced next-gen players will not hit store shelves later this month as originally planned.
WesleyTech.com first broke the news late Friday that Samsung had cancelled its higher-end BDP-2400 Blu-ray Player. Later, it was revealed that the manufactuer would also delay the launch of its dual-format HD DVD/Blu-ray player, the BD-UP5000.

Both players had originally been expected to hit store shelves before November 1st.
As announced by Samsung back in July, the BDP-2400 was set to be a slightly higher-end cousin to the just-released BDP-1400, including all of the later player's features, plus Samsung's proprietary de-interlacing technology.
The dual format BD-UP5000 player is now expected to hit store shelves sometime in December.
As we've previously reported, Samsung will be the second manufacturer to market an dual player capable of playing HD DVD and Blu-ray discs, following the introduction of LG's BH100 in January of this year. LG plans to release its own new dual-format player (the BH200) later this month.
There's no official word yet from Samsung (nor any explanation for the apparent change in plans), but retailers are corroborating WesleyTech's report.
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[quote name='propeller_head']http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Dual-Format_Players/Samsung/Report:_Samsung_Cancels_BDP-2400_Blu-ray_Player,_Delays_BD-UP5000_Dual-Format_Player/1020[/quote]
But but but Blu-ray.com posted that too so it must be wrong!

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=18299

As of October 1st 2007 a 1080P/24 3rd generation HD-DVD player is only $15.01 cheaper compared to a 3rd generation 1080P/24 BLU-RAY player.​

A factory new Samsung BD-P1400 with HDMI 1.3, Ethernet port, and 1080P/24 support can be purchased as low as $415.
http://www.streetprices.com/Electronics/Other/Samsung-BDP1400-SP16695513.html?query=bdp-1400

A factory new Toshiba HD-A30 with HDMI 1.3, Ethernet port, and 1080P/24 support can be purchased as low as $399.99.
http://www.streetprices.com/Electronics/Other/Toshiba-HD-A30-SP16591039.html?query=HD-A30
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Interesting forum posts... now he is just talking about 3rd generation players, not the 299.99 Toshiba one, so Toshiba does still have a advantage there, however, if you take a 3rd generation HD-DVD and compare it to a Blu-ray player and they both have the same features, only 15$ cheaper than Blu-ray. Now 15$ is 15$, but There isn't that great of advantage as there once was.
 
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