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[quote name='dallow']Useless extras[/QUOTE]

I was thinking the same thing. The only one of those that I would watch is the picture in picture commentary.
 
[quote name='dallow']Useless extras, but yeah, it's nice.

I think it'd be cool if they sold two versions of every movie, a cheaper bare bones one, and one with extras.

Bare bones for me.[/QUOTE]

The "Synchronized Storyboard and Art Gallery" is about as far and away from useless extras as possible.

Guillermo del Toro is famous for compiling books full of notes and drawings about his ideas before turning them into films.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']The "Synchronized Storyboard and Art Gallery" is about as far and away from useless extras as possible.

Guillermo del Toro is famous for compiling books full of notes and drawings about his ideas before turning them into films.[/quote]Snoozefest.
The only remotely interesting extras are commentaries which I will watch from time to time.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']'the hell is a "linkout"? Can I click on the goat creature and buy it's clothing from J. Crew online?[/quote]You can also do a poll!

"How awesome was this movie?"

A) So awesome.
B) Super awesome.

Submit results......

Online results....

A)56%
B)44%
 
[quote name='dallow']Snoozefest.
The only remotely interesting extras are commentaries which I will watch from time to time.[/QUOTE]

Well the DVD of "Bug" has an interview with William Friedkin which is quite good. I suggest you take a peek.
 
If the HD-DVD version had the 7.1 lossless track and the BD didn't.

THEN.

I would be bitter.

Lame web features, and "storyboards" aren't a draw for me at all.
It's a very nice movie, but I don't know why some people treat it as a revelation in film making.
 
Does the HD-DVD version play the movie? That's weird, so does the Blu-ray....

Anyways, I think Transformers will do probably equally as well as 300, Although I can't see it selling more than 100,000 in the first week.
 
ok guys i was given an offer of 650 on my 37in set... i may take it as thats prob the most i will get for it since lcd prices continue to fall...

i always come to this thread for suggestions since i know you guys mostly use your sets for hd/bd and gaming..

now which fucking set to get....avs forums are so messy that it would take forever to read all posts...

looking for something in the 42in range.. i still want to go with the 42 in toshiba..i saw a 32 in the other day hooked up to a hd dvd player ( 1080i i think) and looked amazing.. i was suprised people were picking up a2's at that comp store..
 
I can see Transformers selling 90,000 copies. Come on this movie was made for the same class of people who own HD/BR players. I only wish damn Paramount/Dreamworks hadn't went HD exclusive.
 
It's hard to tell. 300 got a big marketing push before release, augmented by Comic-Con. There were panels dedicated to it, lots of swag advertising its release, and even a special 300 viewing over at Petco Park across from the convention center. We'll see though. I'm certainly going to get it next Tuesday.
 
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8386285&type=product&id=1181831586462

wow 989 plus tax for 42 in westy

i would only then put 400 or less out of pocket for 5 in. more + 1080p+ 4 hdmi inputs+ optical out..

im still reading reviews and they all seem above average with a few complaints here in there..

beats paying 1499 for a similar 42 in toshiba(even though i really want it)

im gonna go check it out

either way cant wait for transformers next week!!!
 
I've had the 37" 1080p Westy (as my computer monitor) for about a year now, and it's great. Blacks aren't quite as good as the top models, but colors are good and detail is spectacular. HD content looks amazing, SD looks atrocious (poor scaling/deinterlacing). Now they may have put a better video processor in this model than mine (LVM-37W3) has, which would negate that last complaint.

Even with the shortcomings, I heartily recommend it.
 
I think some do, though I admittedly haven't investigated them that much. Mine was bought for the sole purpose of being a PC monitor, so it didn't matter that the SD performance sucks. But I would imagine that a set with a halfway decent scaling/deinterlacing chip would look ok. Mine is piss poor, and I knew that going in.

SD does look good in a 12" PiP window, though :) I sometimes pop that up (it's positionable in single-pixel increments, so I put it just above the taskbar on the right side of the screen) if I want to watch something while I'm working. Otherwise, it's 95% PC, 5% Xbox 360, both of which look fantastic.
 
good thing i could care less about sd....thanks for the feedback geko..

i didnt want to cheap out and go with a westy but it just seems like the best thing to do..

what is important for me is how does 360 and a hd player on it look...

wow just noticed that bb's interest free financing is for tv's 999 and up.. wtf.. thats gay
 
This is one case where the fine print works in your favor. The policy doesn't say the TV has to be $999 or more:

No Interest for 18 Months on All Home Theater & Installation Purchases Totaling $999 & Up
Home Theater purchases include TVs; Home Theater Systems; DVD Players; DIRECTV® hardware; TiVo® hardware; Home Audio Speakers; Home Audio Receivers; Entertainment Furniture; TV, Home Theater & Audio Accessories; and Home Theater Installation services. Excludes select Magnolia Home Theater® products.
So if you need ANYTHING other than the TV--say, a stand, wall mount, or universal remote--that'll put you over a grand. If you don't need anything else, just buy an HDMI cable, and return it later.
 
Funny Article title
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Lionsgate/Disc_Announcements/Lionsgate_Declares_War_on_Blu-ray/1050

The title for the article is "Lionsgate Declares "War" On Blu-ray!" for some reason I found it funny.

Geko, if the TV is 1080p and if the Westy has a bad deinterlacer like you say, wouldn't the HD-DVD player not look right? OR does it output in 1080p over HDMI?

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6488844.html

The gist of it, is blu-ray software and hardware makers talking about the Hi-def maker, and they talk about how Warner Bros says the main reason why 300 sold so much on Blu-ray was because of the PS3. I think that falls under the "Well-duh"compartment.

And BTW, talk to the head of our Electronics department today, and as far as he knows, we won't carry the HD-DVD venturer player at Target, only the BLu-ray endcap.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Geko, if the TV is 1080p and if the Westy has a bad deinterlacer like you say, wouldn't the HD-DVD player not look right? OR does it output in 1080p over HDMI?[/quote] I don't know, actually. I use my HD-A1 on my CRT RPTV to watch movies. I don't have an addon. And it wouldn't matter if I did, since my 360 is connected via VGA (1080p for everything). But yes, you'll get 1080p over HDMI as well.

[quote name='H.Cornerstone']And BTW, talk to the head of our Electronics department today, and as far as he knows, we won't carry the HD-DVD venturer player at Target, only the BLu-ray endcap.[/quote]
Yeah, everything I've read has said that the BDP-S300 will be the exclusive hi-def standalone at Target through Dec. 31. That's the deal they signed with Sony. As for what happens in January, we'll have to wait and see.
 
Some new sales figures:
Software is in a similar boat, selling a relatively small amount within the greater home entertainment landscape, with $150 million in cumulative Blu-ray and HD DVD revenue to date. Unit sales are at 4.5 million at this point.
http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6488844.html

In other news, 300 has now sold 400,000 copies between the two formats, meaning 9%, or one out of every eleven discs sold since inception was this one title. Also, Warner Brothers commands 36% of the HDM market.
 
[quote name='geko29']I don't know, actually. I use my HD-A1 on my CRT RPTV to watch movies. I don't have an addon. And it wouldn't matter if I did, since my 360 is connected via VGA (1080p for everything). But yes, you'll get 1080p over HDMI as well.


Yeah, everything I've read has said that the BDP-S300 will be the exclusive hi-def standalone at Target through Dec. 31. That's the deal they signed with Sony. As for what happens in January, we'll have to wait and see.[/quote]

Well, a CRT RPTV is only 1080i so yeah it wouldn't matter. And By January, I don't think it will really matter whether or not we carry a HD-DVD player, this Christmas is what matters. Although, Target really doens't matter anyways. ;-)
 
Minneapolis — Target rolled out its latest CE department prototype yesterday with the soft opening of 61 new stores around the country.

The redesigned departments are larger, feature a number of assortment upgrades and place renewed focus on the TV wall.

The retailer enhanced the impact of the TV wall by making it taller (by 18 inches) and longer (by eight feet), and by adding an overhang shelf to reduce glare from store lighting. The larger wall accommodates an expanded LCD assortment, which is highlighted with improved “Why to Buy” signing. Target is also using lower profile gondolas within the department’s core area to improve TV wall sightlines, while also providing greater shelf access to shoppers.

Other enhancements include:

· A service counter that will be upgraded with an interactive “consumer electronics advisor” kiosk next April;

· A 4-foot section of Sony Blu-ray hardware and software;

· A new dedicated run of home theater systems with additional “better” and “best offerings such as the Bose 3.2.1 HTiB;

· An 8-foot section of photo gifts from Kodak Gallery and Shutterfly, plus a run of digital picture frames and an expanded selection of cameras;

· A new run of kitchen electronics;

· An expanded assortment of computer peripherals, and;

· An incremental run of value video game software.

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6488779.html?nid=2402-

Aww...no poor, poor $250 HD DVD player.

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:lol: Makes me remember what it looked like when I would shop for Macintosh software.
 
The current layouts have about half as much space for both formats as HD DVD has in that picture. I'll have to check my local stores in the coming weeks to see if they expand at all.
 
I know. The Target I go to could fit all the hidef movies in just the HD DVD section above, and has a BR/HD ratio of roughly 2:1, whereas the picture above seems to suggest 3:1, plus another kiosk for BR elsewhere.

As the market increases (from 1.3% to 5% of DVD player sales), we should expect to see similar increases in shelf space, though. Along with (pleasepleaseplease!) some reduction in B&M pricing.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Dual-Format_Players/LG/LG_Goes_Full_Profile_With_BH200_Dual-Format_HD_DVD/Blu-ray_Player/1063

Looks like LG postponing that BDA 1.1 player are false. LG will release a dual format player with both HDI and BDA 1.1 Java.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/1042/spiderman3.html

And Geko, they say spiderman only has PCM and DolbyTrueHD will that work on my 5.1 system that only supports ujp to DT-ES?[/quote]It'll play the Dolby Digital 5.1 core track that's hidden inside the TrueHD track.
 
i got the westy...

looks impressive... tmnt looks amazing.

big diff so far

finally my 29.99 smallville arrived today... fucking silver surfer is still not here even though it shipped first..

wtf free fye shipping sucks
 
[quote name='mykevermin']http://www.twice.com/article/CA6488779.html?nid=2402-

Aww...no poor, poor $250 HD DVD player.

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:lol: Makes me remember what it looked like when I would shop for Macintosh software.[/QUOTE]

Thats pretty cool. Hopefully one of my local stores will be fitted like that.

A3 is showing up at Wal-Marts as we speak. Those stores are getting 3-6 of them as some AVSers reported. Nothing at my local Wal-Mart (though they still have 2 BDP-300's on clearance for $366 with 2 movies in the box...2 months and they havn't sold a single one)
 
Some interesting stuff...

In another contentious roundtable, representatives of both the Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD groups sparred over which was better to supplant DVD, while a representative of Warner Bros. took the middle ground.

“What we find people are excited about isn’t interactivity,” said Andy Parsons, SVP of new product development and technical support for Pioneer Electronics, and chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association’s U.S. Promotion Committee. “[They buy high-def] because they want to see high-definition. “… Blu-ray titles are consistently outselling HD [DVD] 2-to-1. Yes, interactivity is nice, but it isn’t causing anyone to not watch 300 on Blu-ray.”

The comments about high-def interactivity, something HD DVD representatives say they have an advantage over Blu-ray on, earned a series of responses from HD DVD reps.

“Each of these formats provide great picture and sound,” said Alan Bell, EVP and chief technology officer for Paramount Pictures. “But we need to sell more than that.”

Bell said Paramount, which went HD DVD exclusive in August, made its decision because HD DVD is “the best consumer proposition,” and production of HD DVD is easier and quicker than Blu-ray.

But Don Eklund, EVP of advanced technologies for Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, said HD DVD will lose because it’s still just a DVD technology. “Blu-ray is a format. It’s not just a movie delivery system,” he said, pointing to Blu-ray recording and camera devices.

Price and game consoles

Kevin Collins, Microsoft’s director of HD DVD evangelism, said the key to the war will be which side wins the dedicated set-top box battle. And with a $199 HD DVD player expected soon, half the price of the cheapest Blu-ray player, the PlayStation 3, Collins said HD DVD has the advantage.

Parsons disagreed.

“I think it’s erroneous to say think a cheap player is … going to cause a format to take off,” he said, adding that while the PS3 is primarily a gaming system, it is being used often for Blu-ray movies. “What ultimately causes a format to take off … is it’s still about the content.”

After Collins pointed out that Microsoft’s Xbox 360 has an HD DVD add-on, and said it was outselling Blu-ray set-tops boxes, Patrick Fitzgerald, EVP of worldwide sales, distribution, and trade marketing for Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment, downplayed the rival next-generation gaming console.

“I wouldn’t throw PS3 and the Xbox 360 in the same sentence,” he said. “PS3 has a built-in [Blu-ray] drive … and they’re not selling many of those [HD DVD drives].”

Dan Silverberg, VP of high definition media development for Warner Bros., calmed both sides by saying 300 was marketed heavily to PS3 owners, but “it’s dangerous to just rely on gamers. To be reliant on them is something I don’t think either camps wants to do.”

Hardware specs and region coding

Warner Bros. has roughly 160 titles out on both formats, and Silverberg said 5 million high-def units have been sold, most of those new releases, despite 78% of high-def titles being catalogue. That makes it important for all studios to do day-and-date high-def releases with DVD, he said. After all, high-def is supposed to replace DVD.

“If you don’t do day-and-date the consumer isn’t going to wait around,” he said. “When people went from VHS to DVD, they didn’t go back. One of our challenges is how do we get the consumer to upgrade everything.”

Warner has held off on releasing some titles on Blu-ray that are out on HD DVD, until Blu-ray hardware specs become unified and can universally support the same features. That’s something Microsoft’s Collins said HD DVD has over Blu-ray.

New Line has announced two new titles, Hairspray and Rush Hour 3, for both formats, but the HD DVD won’t come until weeks after Blu-ray because of the lack of region coding on HD DVD and overseas theatrical arrangements for the films.

“One of the subtle benefits of HD DVD, and it’s not that popular with the studios, is it has no region coding,” Collins said, adding he buys 20th Century Fox and Disney films available on HD DVD overseas.

So the 360 Add-on is selling better then Blu-ray stand alones and the BDA did not deny it. Then, a sentence later, they say "PS3 has a built-in [Blu-ray] drive … and they’re not selling many of those [HD DVD drives]". Guess the Disney Rep didn't realize they just bashed their own Blu-ray stand alone players is 360 HD DVD AO is selling better then all BR stand alones.

Dan Silverberg, VP of high definition media development for Warner Bros., calmed both sides by saying 300 was marketed heavily to PS3 owners, but “it’s dangerous to just rely on gamers. To be reliant on them is something I don’t think either camps wants to do.”

Exactly what I said a few months ago. 300 appeals to the PS3 demographic which they don't think can hold-up a format. Looks like WB cares more about stand alone sales then PS3 sales.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Dual-Format_Players/LG/LG_Goes_Full_Profile_With_BH200_Dual-Format_HD_DVD/Blu-ray_Player/1063

Looks like LG postponing that BDA 1.1 player are false. LG will release a dual format player with both HDI and BDA 1.1 Java.[/QUOTE]

I wonder when it will 'officially' launch. The Sharp BR player was rushed to stores (saw one at Fry's today while I was buying 5 BR movies) to avoid the 1.1 deadline. Wonder how the BDA will educate customers AFTER it hits on what will and what won't work on their current players.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Some interesting stuff...



So the 360 Add-on is selling better then Blu-ray stand alones and the BDA did not deny it. Then, a sentence later, they say "PS3 has a built-in [Blu-ray] drive … and they’re not selling many of those [HD DVD drives]". Guess the Disney Rep didn't realize they just bashed their own Blu-ray stand alone players is 360 HD DVD AO is selling better then all BR stand alones.



Exactly what I said a few months ago. 300 appeals to the PS3 demographic which they don't think can hold-up a format. Looks like WB cares more about stand alone sales then PS3 sales.[/quote]

And Blu-ray stand alones were outselling HD-DVD standalones for a while so therefore 360 add-on was outselling them. ;-)
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Actually if you have a PS3 the TrueHD track should be decoded by it and sent to your receiver as PCM.[/quote]I don't believe he has an HDMI receiver that accepts multi channel PCM sound, unless he's upgraded recently.
 
[quote name='dallow']It'll play the Dolby Digital 5.1 core track that's hidden inside the TrueHD track.[/quote]
TrueHD does NOT have a core. Either a player supports the full codec or it doesn't. DTS-HD MA has a full-bandwidth DTS core, but there's no DD in TrueHD.

H, what you get depends on how your system is set up. The PS3 can decode TrueHD just fine, but like PCM, can only output it at 100% quality via HDMI. If you're using optical, it must be re-encoded (not sure what the options are, but either DD or DTS). But either way, you should be able to get the same level of enjoyment out of a TrueHD track as you do a PCM one (maybe more, if they're using a 24-bit TrueHD but only a 16-bit PCM).
 
I guess i worded it incorrectly.

If he has optical:

The trueHD track will play as DD 5.1 on his receiver as the PS3 will downmix the TrueHD track into it.
The LPCM track will play as 2.0 PCM with no downmixing.

I guess it's technically not a "core" track per se, but it will play as DD5.1 like any DVD.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']And Blu-ray stand alones were outselling HD-DVD standalones for a while so therefore 360 add-on was outselling them. ;-)[/QUOTE]

Yes, BR players outsold HD DVD players for a few weeks. Not a biggie when the other 60+ weeks HD DVD was king. Guess people like that $200 price point, eh?
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Yes, BR players outsold HD DVD players for a few weeks. Not a biggie when the other 60+ weeks HD DVD was king. Guess people like that $200 price point, eh?[/QUOTE]

Given that no price point, save for the 360 HD DVD, is $200 as I type this, I have to ask...what the hell are you trying to say?

People are buying the PS3 in record numbers; this must mean that they love the $300 price point it's not at either. ;)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']People are buying the PS3 in record numbers; this must mean that they love the $300 price point it's not at either. ;)[/quote]
It's shattering the sales records made by the GameCube.....except, it isn't. :lol:

I'm not a fan of VGchartz, but their last few weeks have the PS3 selling a bit under 30k units/week, as opposed to say the 360 selling 120-130k/week (a bit high due to Halo3, obviously) or the Wii doing roughly 100k/week (pretty much normal at this point. 30k is an improvement over the 20k it had been doing the previous 8 months, I will admit that. But it ain't exactly flying off the shelves, relatively speaking.

We'll find out for sure in a week or so how close those numbers are when the NPD report for September comes out. If it does in fact come back as 120k for the month, that will turn out to be a record--for PS3 sales in 2007, at least--but still not something to be proud of.
 
We'll find out for sure in a week or so how close those numbers are when the NPD report for September comes out. If it does in fact come back as 120k for the month, that will turn out to be a record--for PS3 sales in 2007, at least--but still not something to be proud of.


it would also be a small miracle (up against Halo 3, which undoubtedly had everyone's attention. where the PS3 had...Heavenly Sword?)
 
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