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It's not about movies , it's about which format utilizes dallow's home theater best .

I was thinking of getting one of those Blu-Ray security systems installed for my compound , like the one at/in Casino Royale . They don't make a HD DVD one , so that must mean that format is going to fail .
Or was Casino Royale just another way for Sony to blow itself ? Breath through your nose Sony .

Where's the quarterly profits arguement ?
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']And we all know Toshiba is desperate, that's why ever since Blu-ray took the lead, they have been cutting their player prices like mad and paying off Paramount.[/QUOTE]

Seriously, don't even start with that shit.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']
And we all know Toshiba is desperate, that's why ever since Blu-ray took the lead, they have been cutting their player prices like mad and paying off Paramount.[/QUOTE]

You'd think they wouldn't be done paying off Universal .
 
[quote name='Richlough']It's not about movies , it's about which format utilizes dallow's home theater best .[/quote]You don't think for computer use that SL 25GB discs are more useful than a 15GB disc?
You have to look at the bigger picture. The new format is going to be the new standard.
Why wouldn't you want the disc that has the space to grow for a while in it's generation with more space and higher bandwidth.
The disc with the most potential, as it were.

Speaking of home theater. My new 55" SXRD has breathed new life into my movies.

Work in progress:
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3519092&postcount=222
 
[quote name='dallow']You don't think for computer use that SL 25GB discs are more useful than a 15GB disc?
You have to look at the bigger picture. The new format is going to be the new standard.
Why wouldn't you want the disc that has the space to grow for a while in it's generation with more space and higher bandwidth.
The disc with the most potential, as it were.

Speaking of home theater. My new 55" SXRD has breathed new life into my movies.

Work in progress:
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3519092&postcount=222[/QUOTE]

I don't even use dual layer DVD's in my computer .
I don't like how long it takes to burn a single layer DVD .

My new TV is awesome it displays in face value , I guess I won't be able to fully utilize it until the new green or purple laser media come out though .
Oh well , at least I can 'impress' people on message boards until then .
 
You can't wait 5 mins for a SL DVD to burn?

Just cause you're a neophyte when it comes to things doesn't mean the rest of us should suffer.

And I only posted pictures because it was asked of me in the other thread.
I linked them here because you care.
I love you Rich.
 
News news news.

Interesting comments from Warner at the Blu event yesterday.

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?article_id=11449

Also there was Dan Silverberg, VP of high-definition media for Warner Home Video, which since Paramount’s move to the HD DVD camp is the only studio to support both next-generation formats.

That may not be for long, Silverberg said. “One thing that may be changing is our strategy,” he said. “When both formats launched and hardware prices were high, we made a decision to support both formats and let the consumer decide. But now that hardware pricing is affordable for both Blu-ray and HD DVD, it appears consumers no longer want to decide — so the notion of staying in two formats for the duration is something we are re-evaluating now that we are in the fourth quarter.”

Silverberg noted that Warner has the top-selling Blu-ray title of all time with 300 and is consistently No. 1 or No. 2 in both Blu-ray sales market share and in number of Blu-ray titles in the market.

“We can definitely talk Blu-ray,” he said. “We are committed to the format.”
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Fox has strong support for next year:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Fox/Fox_Promises_Expanded_Blu-ray_Support_in_2008/1119

Fox Home Entertainment kicked off a two-day Blu-ray media event in Los Angeles with a bang Monday, pledging a strong Blu-ray release slate for 2008 that could hit as high as 100 new titles.
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[quote name='dallow']Before. Read the link for the dates.[/quote]

I knew that. I was just implying that they're probably going to delay some of their bigger releases due to Slysoft's claim.
 
[quote name='orimental']I knew that. I was just implying that they're probably going to delay some of their bigger releases due to Slysoft's claim.[/quote]I know man, just playing around. :grouphug:
We'll see what happens.
I know Fox is concerned next gen piracy.
What's their other choice? Never release movies in HD?
 
More news news news:

Today we will have the opportunity to meet with Brad Bird (director of Ratatouille) and will be heading to Panasonic Labs where they will be unveiling their new DMP-BD30AKplayer. Rumor has it that it will be a BD Live (profile 2.0) player and street for $500. The DMP-BD10A will get a price reduction to $399. I will have more details on this later today.
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Also, Fox's first TRUE PiP title is Sunshine.
This feature will ONLY work on 1.1 players.
However, the disc still works in 1.0 players and you can view the extra PiP video in full screen mode, so you can still watch it if you like.

A relief to those who thought 1.1 discs would be unplayable in 1.0 players (gizmo).

Sunshine (2008 TBD): This is Fox's first picture with true PIP technology. If you don't have a profile 1.1 compatible player, you can watch the PIP files in a full screen mode (they are in standard def so they don't look as good in full screen, but at least you are given the option of still being able to see them). In addition to PIP, you can also change the audio mix. You can pull up a menu that shows the 5 speakers, and select the one that you want the computers voice to come through. Not sure why you would want to change this on the fly, but you can.
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“We can definitely talk Blu-ray,” he said. “We are committed to the format.”
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I don't know about that...it could have been taken out of context.

"We can definately talk Blu-Ray"
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- Could mean that they can talk about how WB will continue to support Blu-Ray

"We are committed to the format"
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- Could mean that they are as committed now as they were then.

I don't see how this hints at exclusivity. There was no mention whatsoever of exclusivity. It was a Blu-Ray event so they were asking Blu-Ray related questions and the rep answered in Blu-Ray...It sounds like he didn't want to get into the whole "war" thing.
 
Ruh-roh!

I just got an e-mail that Warner has invited major press, including the AP to an previously unscheduled press event on the 31st on relatively short notice.

Could be something as innocuous as new releases or something really significant, but it was implied that it was an unusual event and major announcement(s) would be made.
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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12054838#post12054838

Longtime member posted.
 
I don't think they'd want to jeopardize sales by going exclusive to either format before Christmas. It seems wiser to take the holiday sales, evaluate them then, and go exclusive (if at all) early next year, when sales slow down considerably.
 
if warner does go exclusive to bd.. i believe its game over..

It wouldnt make sense though since i can see hi def discs selling decently this holiday season
 
[quote name='guyver2077']if warner does go exclusive to bd.. i believe its game over..

It wouldnt make sense though since i can see hi def discs selling decently this holiday season[/quote]Just like it didn't make sense for Paramount/Universal to go to HD DVD.

It makes sense in this sense.
When one format finally takes over, consumer confusion will be minimized, and hopefully greater adoption can take place.
If Warners goes HD DVD, it'll be SACD and DVD-A all over again.
Stalemate, both stagnant, and limited for years to come.
 
Yeah i was going to jump on the HD DVD bandwagon... but the more i think about it the better that PS3 40gb sounds at 399.00. I mean its considerably more for the 360 to do the "same thing". So I will wait on the video format until sometime early next year.. I will still pick up the samsung Tv this year (unless another TV catches my eye before then).
 
There's really nothing that makes sense in this war but if WB does go Blu only, its going to be pretty shocking since they've always supported HD DVD more...Batman Begins, V For Vendeta, The Matrix Trilogy, 300 w/Exclusive Extras...etc. It seems that they've always favored HD DVD over Blu-Ray. If they had a change of heart, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that their wallets got heavier...after all, in this type of war, dollars are the ammo.
 
[quote name='dallow']You can't wait 5 mins for a SL DVD to burn?

Just cause you're a neophyte when it comes to things doesn't mean the rest of us should suffer.

And I only posted pictures because it was asked of me in the other thread.
I linked them here because you care.
I love you Rich.[/QUOTE]

I gotta respect the Dreamcast still having a prime spot near the new TV .;)
 
[quote name='Richlough']I gotta respect the Dreamcast still having a prime spot near the new TV .;)[/quote]That will never change. :)
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']There's really nothing that makes sense in this war but if WB does go Blu only, its going to be pretty shocking since they've always supported HD DVD more...Batman Begins, V For Vendeta, The Matrix Trilogy, 300 w/Exclusive Extras...etc. It seems that they've always favored HD DVD over Blu-Ray. If they had a change of heart, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that their wallets got heavier...after all, in this type of war, dollars are the ammo.[/QUOTE]

Wasn't the Matrix supposed to change the tides of the format war, instead of helping maintain the status quo and sending HD DVD fans on a quest to find yet another holy grail in the form of "Transformers"?

How well did the Matrix sell, BTW? Under 10K, I bet.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']How well did the Matrix sell, BTW? Under 10K, I bet.[/quote] It was 13,900 in the first five days, and 29.3k total--13.8k for "Complete", 15.5k for "Ultimate"--as of August 5th (most recent totals we have).

Not 300 or Transformers numbers by any sense, but better than such titles as Crank, Blackhawk Down, Underworld: Evolution and The 5th Element on Blu-Ray; and V for Vendetta, Serenity, Children of Men and Smokin' Aces on HD DVD. Considering the price ($100 and $120 MSRP), I'd say it did pretty well.
 
Warner going any other way besides HD-DVD (if they decide to pick a side) would honestly blow my mind.

I've already posted many times why I think that.

[quote name='Sporadic']Warner, who was originally HD-DVD exclusive along with Paramount, who filed a complaint with the SEC back in 2002 against Sony for their actions with Blu-Ray/DVD Forum, who are leading the way in HD extras, who founded a group with Toshiba/Microsoft about those same exclusives they are trailblazing in just a few months ago are going to completely about face and go with Blu-Ray if (if being the keyword) they decide to drop neutrality.[/QUOTE]

I'm surprised the Blu boys are being so shortsighted about this. Remember HDM sales are nothing to these companies especially when the main association is willing to cut a check to cover most of the lost profits. They are trying to line themselves up in the future to make bank. Which is were attach rates come in; Do you want to set camp with people only selling 0.5 per player or 1.5 per player? Which one has more room for growth while not costing a mint? Both sides have their good points, PS3 just dropped to $400 and the HD-A2 has 60,000+ players in Wal-Mart's all across the nation for $200. It's up to Warner to pick which side they go with.

Either way they are going to lose money (in the short run) if they pick a side.

Warner is in the position to change the format war as we know it. Remember how many people went HD or neutral because of Transformers/Paramount? Warner picking a side is going to catapult the one they pick to the top.
 
Warner going HD DVD would convince me that the two dumb formats are here to stay and I'll be picking up that A3 on Black Friday.

Warner going Blu would relieve much and stop the madness.
 
i really want to see hardware sales numbers for this month and for next month.... There have been so many great hd player sales this month. Not too mention that awesome a3 price for black friday. Soo many ppl (quite alot from these boards) have jumped into hidef

Hd players should be selling like cake....

If wb goes blu then that may affect the momentum greatly...
 
[quote name='guyver2077']i really want to see hardware sales numbers for this month and for next month.... There have been so many great hd player sales this month. Not too mention that awesome a3 price for black friday. Soo many ppl (quite alot from these boards) have jumped into hidef

Hd players should be selling like cake....

If wb goes blu then that may affect the momentum greatly...[/QUOTE]

Do they even count the X360 add-on as part of the hardware sales.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Remember how many people went HD or neutral because of Transformers/Paramount?[/QUOTE]

Nope. Why don't you enlighten me with data.

geko, thanks for those number on the Matrix. Around 30K is impressive. I bet they'd be reaching towards 100K had they released it on BR. ;) Perhaps we'll find out, in a sense, when Spiderman is released today.
 
I still think any neutral studio would be shooting themselves in the foot to enter the holiday shopping season by announcing exclusivity.

I also think that, with the deluge of announcements Fox is making about making upcoming BR releases 1.1 compatible, the possible announcement is that they're going to be introducing their other releases (Matrix, Batman, etc.) to Blu-Ray.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']I'm surprised the Blu boys are being so shortsighted about this. Remember HDM sales are nothing to these companies especially when the main association is willing to cut a check to cover most of the lost profits. They are trying to line themselves up in the future to make bank. Which is were attach rates come in; Do you want to set camp with people only selling 0.5 per player or 1.5 per player? [/QUOTE]

You're assuming attach rates will remain constant, regardless of how many players are sold, which is completely incorrect.
 
Very true, and even if true attach rates were determined, I'd imagine studios would be more concerned about profits, which is directly related to total sales. Attach rates can be useful, to some degree, but seeing as how they are not constant (and, therefore, not indicative of the future), nor do they provide a more accurate prediction of profit (which total sales does), they really are not as important as some make them out to be. It's a nice piece of information, but should not really be as big of a deciding factor as total sales are.
 
First profile 1.1 BD player to be released next week.
Thank ya Panasonic.

http://www.hollywoodinhidef.com/blog_detail.php?id=136

PS3 update in short should up it to two players that are 1.1 (though technically PS3 would be 2.0)

Interesting extras:

Unique to the DMP-BD30 will be an SD Memory Card slot for playback of hi-def content recorded in the AVCHD format -- ie, hi-def camcorders using a digital memory card. The SD slot also allows for viewing of digital still images recorded to an SD Memory Card.

In addition to the Blu-ray standard 1080/24p playback, the DMP-BD30 also provides HDMI 1.3B, the most recent interface that offers 7.1 channel audio, the highest bandwidth, and increases step gradation from 8-bit 256 to 12-bit, 4,096.
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If the PS3 doesn't decode DTS-HD MA soon, I'll opt for a standalone.
I was going to get one eventually since I rather the HD audio be sent out via bitstream rather than be internally decoded.
I don't believe the PS3 will be able to do that.
 
I'm nervous as to what's going to happen. Warner has been the best HI-def studio and I wouldn't want to lose them and them going HD-DVD would send this war to a stalemate.
 
HD DVD desperately needs WB, its exclusive release list for the remainder of 2007 is pathetic. Without WB helping to ease the pain of the HD DVD only guys the format would definitely cumble.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']I'm nervous as to what's going to happen. Warner has been the best HI-def studio and I wouldn't want to lose them and them going HD-DVD would send this war to a stalemate.[/QUOTE]

Indeed. This war has really come to a point, for me, where it needs to end. With combo players on the horizon, I feel a winner needs to be determined soon. Warner going HD-DVD exclusive will prolong the war long enough for combo players to hit mainstream, thus leading to a two format gen (which I would really loathe). I'm hoping, if Warner does go exclusive, that it is to BD, simply so this war can be put to an end. The initial competition has done a great job at lowering prices, but I feel the prices have reached a pretty reasonable level to where one format can just die, and the remaining format just compete with DVD from here on out.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Very true, and even if true attach rates were determined, I'd imagine studios would be more concerned about profits, which is directly related to total sales. Attach rates can be useful, to some degree, but seeing as how they are not constant (and, therefore, not indicative of the future), nor do they provide a more accurate prediction of profit (which total sales does), they really are not as important as some make them out to be. It's a nice piece of information, but should not really be as big of a deciding factor as total sales are.[/QUOTE]

But again HDM sales right now are barely a drop in the bucket for movie companies. HDM sold what 5 million disc so far? Transformers sold 8 million in the first week alone on DVD.

This is all about future planning which is why I roll my eyes when you bring up profits/total sales the same way you roll yours when I bring up attach rate. Attach rates change? So do total sales especially when it's this early in the game. There's something like 60,000 HD-A2s in Wal-Mart right now for $200 which is alot of units for something with only (pure guess) 450,000 sold so far. You also have the successor to Xbox which is coming sometime in the next few years to think about which is almost guaranteed to use HD-DVD.

Just like I have said since the beginning, both formats are here to stay. Only thing they are fighting about is who gets the largest foothold before cheap combo players come out and dominate.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']But again HDM sales right now are barely a drop in the bucket for movie companies. HDM sold what 5 million disc so far? Transformers sold 8 million in the first week alone on DVD.

This is all about future planning which is why I roll my eyes when you bring up profits/total sales the same way you roll yours when I bring up attach rate. Attach rates change? So do total sales especially when it's this early in the game. There's something like 60,000 HD-A2s in Wal-Mart right now for $200 which is alot of units for something with only (pure guess) 450,000 sold so far. You also have the successor to Xbox which is coming sometime in the next few years to think about which is almost guaranteed to use HD-DVD.

Just like I have said since the beginning, both formats are here to stay. Only thing they are fighting about is who gets the largest foothold before cheap combo players come out and dominate.[/quote]
And the next Playstation will use Blu-ray, what's your point?

And Microsoft wants to do digital distribution, so don't count on them.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']But again HDM sales right now are barely a drop in the bucket for movie companies. HDM sold what 5 million disc so far? Transformers sold 8 million in the first week alone on DVD. [/quote]

True. I guess trends in sales are more important. But, my point still stands, attach rates (alone) don't mean a whole lot. They are one component of total sales, though.

This is all about future planning which is why I roll my eyes when you bring up profits/total sales the same way you roll yours when I bring up attach rate. Attach rates change? So do total sales especially when it's this early in the game. There's something like 60,000 HD-A2s in Wal-Mart right now for $200 which is alot of units for something with only (pure guess) 450,000 sold so far. You also have the successor to Xbox which is coming sometime in the next few years to think about which is almost guaranteed to use HD-DVD.
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How would attach rates be a good way to plan for the future? You just admitted they are not constant, which means they really can't be indicative of future trends.

Just like I have said since the beginning, both formats are here to stay. Only thing they are fighting about is who gets the largest foothold before cheap combo players come out and dominate.
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Unfortunately, I think you're right about this.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']And the next Playstation will use Blu-ray, what's your point?

And Microsoft wants to do digital distribution, so don't count on them.[/QUOTE]
:lol:

A Sony exec said the PS4 wouldn't even have a disc slot.

Blu-Ray is gone.

(I know that won't be the case, but the douchebag said it.)
 
If the war does end in a two format gen, I imagine the PS4 and next Xbox would have combo drive. Sure they are supporting the competition, but they would anger a lot of people if they just support half of the hi def movie formats.
 
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