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If it's true that the Blu-Ray camp are blaming MS for wanting a format war then thats pretty stupid, "if you'd all just done what we wanted to do then there'd be no war." Uh-huh :roll:

Surely by concentrating on making a decent games machine and not getting too involved in a spat between 2 HD fomats that the general populace couldn't care less about (someone care to quote me the numbers on HD/BD discs sold compared to DVD) they're winning the war they wanted to win.

I don't know why they bother trying to defend their support for HD-DVD, when they've already said if Blu-Ray wins they may add it in the future. I'm sure they couldn't give a toss either way, digital downloads and the 360 as a games machine FTW!
 
[quote name='benjamouth']by concentrating on making a decent games machine[/QUOTE]

*ahem*

Let's not get the quality of the console confused with the quality of the titles available for it.
 
[quote name='geko29']Because over the long haul, it won't be. As time goes on, PS3s will make up less and less of the total active Blu-Ray userbase. How many people still use the PS2 or Xbox as their DVD player?

Warner is in this with a longview. They have explicitly stated on several occasions that they care about standalone hardware sales, because they do not belive it wise to lean on the console userbase for all of their sales. At some point HDM has to become something more than a format for videogamers. Standalones are the path to that goal.[/QUOTE]

I agree, in the long run, PS3 sales won't be nearly as significant as they are now. I am not entirely sure it is wise to discount the PS3 at this point (if that's what they truly meant by the statement). It is clear HD has the major advantage in standalones, but, at this point, the war could go either way (more in favor of BD, at this point), so, while the PS3 won't be as much of a factor down the line, it is a huge factor right now, and will be in these next few years. But, most of my posts were just poking fun at Gizmogc constantly contradicting himself.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']*ahem*

Let's not get the quality of the console confused with the quality of the titles available for it.[/quote]

Agreed, the things made of elastic bands and lego bricks, mind you mine is still going strong since May 06, but I realise I'm in the minority on that one. :)
 
[quote name='guyver2077']anyone selling their spidey set?[/quote]
Spidey set rocks :p

You didn't want to drop $60 on it? It was worth it IMO. I actually enjoyed the first one the most, although the other two had some awesome/much better special effects and fight scenes.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']anyone selling their spidey set?[/QUOTE]

No, but I approve of your sig.

EDIT: nevermind, you changed it! Put face off back!
 
[quote name='Inf^Shini']Spidey set rocks :p

You didn't want to drop $60 on it? It was worth it IMO. .[/quote]

never got around to go to bb... wanted to see if anyone on here would beat the amazon price first..
 
[quote name='guyver2077']never got around to go to bb... wanted to see if anyone on here would beat the amazon price first..[/quote]

Ahhh gotcha. It's weird, I tried to use the 10% off with the Set + a new release game, but it wouldn't discount the game (Ratchet and Clank for PS3) although the coupon made no mention of new release games in the exclusions list. I didn't feel like fighting it so I left it there >.>
 
[quote name='dpatel']I agree, in the long run, PS3 sales won't be nearly as significant as they are now. I am not entirely sure it is wise to discount the PS3 at this point (if that's what they truly meant by the statement). It is clear HD has the major advantage in standalones, but, at this point, the war could go either way (more in favor of BD, at this point), so, while the PS3 won't be as much of a factor down the line, it is a huge factor right now, and will be in these next few years. But, most of my posts were just poking fun at Gizmogc constantly contradicting himself.[/QUOTE]

So you agree with me :roll:
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']So you agree with me :roll:[/QUOTE]

If you cover all the bases the way you do, everyone ends up agreeing with you at some point.

Your implicit arguments that suggest the PS3 matters (which you clearly include when discussing your beloved attach rate, which would be ruined if you did not include the PS3), except when it doesn't (which you clearly believe when you argue that...well, the PS3 doesn't matter) pretty much leave people with no option but to agree with you at some point. You've exhausted all the possible options!

:lol:
 
[quote name='guyver2077']he just always wants to prove people wrong..

its like an addiction.. he cant help it.. he craves it..[/QUOTE]

But I'm *GOOD* at it.

;)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']But I'm *GOOD* at it.

;)[/QUOTE]
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AM I RITE.?????
 
[quote name='Koggit']For a solid ten pages or so, only the BluRay camp was acting blinded by bias. Now both camps are...

Unfortunate.[/quote]Have you secretly lurked this thread since it's inception?
I see you have posted in it 5 times.
 
[quote name='dallow']Have you secretly lurked this thread since it's inception?
I see you have posted in it 5 times.[/QUOTE]

Uh oh , didn't you know you can't post here if you don't meet the stringent requirements ?
 
[quote name='Richlough']Uh oh , didn't you know you can't post here if you don't meet the stringent requirements ?[/quote]No, but just criticizing everyone in here straight off as you did when you first started to post here, well, I'd like to know if you've read up on anything.

I believe I said the same thing to you. ;)
 
[quote name='Richlough']Uh oh , didn't you know you can't post here if you don't meet the stringent requirements ?[/QUOTE]

Those requirements being: do you have a pulse?

[quote name='Gentlegamer']Ok, without reading the rest of the thread, where are we at in this "war" . . ?[/QUOTE]

You're going to get many different answers from supporters of each side. I'll do my best to provide a short unbiased answer, but neither you nor anyone else may believe it. Nevertheless, Blu-Ray has outsold HD DVD in *movies* every week on the year, at an average ratio of 65-35. There are, thus, roughly 2 BR discs sold for every 1 HD disc sold in the US. This is due to, primarily, to the (laugh if you must) popularity of the PS3.

Nevertheless, HD DVD standalone units are selling in greater numbers than Blu-Ray. The recent sale of the Toshiba HD-A2 to $98 has surely helped greater sales of that format. But it's hard to predict how that will matter in the long run to consumers. Will they embrace HD DVD and cruch Blu-Ray's chances at success? Will consumers see this as "dumping" of a dying format, and abstain from buying it? It's far too early to tell.

Again, the $400 PS3 came out last Friday. What impact will that have? Will it bring BR into even more homes, or will the lack of BC frighten people away from buying it in droves?

There is also speculation that the only studio putting out movies in both formats (Warner Brothers) will decide on only one format after this holiday season. There are compelling arguments for solely-BR support, but HD DVD may easily provide financial incentives to go HD-only, like they did with Paramount and Dreamworks some months ago. If WB goes BR-only, HD DVD has zero chance of survival. If they go HD DVD-only, then the "war" will continue for at least another year.

I'm sure others have different opinions and/or would like to tear my points to shreds...and I'll leave them to that.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Those requirements being: do you have a pulse?[/QUOTE]
Now why do you have to discriminate against the undead? Zombies like High-Def too.
 
Oh, allright. Well, until slidecage comes on up in here, perhaps the criterion is: can you type?

When he arrives, it will be: can you hit a keyboard and manage to push return at the end of it?
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']So you agree with me :roll:[/QUOTE]

That depends on which stance you are currently taking. When you argue that the PS3 does AND does not matter, it's hard to disagree with you. But that whole inconsistency was really what I was getting at the whole time, not whether or not the PS3 mattered. If you want to selectively choose data to yield the results you desire (something you, ironically, claim those that defend Nielson numbers do), more power to you.
 
[quote name='anomynous']
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AM I RITE.?????[/quote]
Post of the thread.

[quote name='Geko29']Good point sir, good point. :) But I was actually referring to the war starting in May, but Sony not admitting it had started until the PS3 came out six months later.[/quote]
I knew you meant something like that, I just enjoy being sarcastic. :)

And I don't get how that article proves that MS isn't interested in continuing the format war..... They are supporting one side, and I thought Disney owned a Blu-ray plant as part of their deal? Also, MS says gamers won't buy movies yada yada yada and then yet to make the claim that the HD-DVD add-on is one of the best selling Hi-def movie players?

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Warner/Warner_Says_Blu-ray_Comments_Misquoted_and_Misconstrued/1135

Surprised this hasn't been posted yet, all it says is that their comments were misconstrued a week ago and they are neutral for the time being.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Sony/Disc_Announcements/Dragon_Wars_to_do_Battle_on_Blu-ray/1145

Format war over. Dragon Wars on Blu-ray! South Korea will be Blu-ray's! :)

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=650

Sony announces that Spider-Man 3 is it's best selling Blu-ray title yet! What a shocker! (note, they have yet to disclose numbers as they said they are a few days away. I guess they learned from Paramount that it makes them look like an idiot if they are way off.)
 
In which high-def formats are the following films available (off the top of my head among my favorites):

LA Confidential
Resevoir Dogs
The Usual Suspects
Fight Club
Rounders
James Bond (series)
Jason Bourne (series)
Star Wars (series)
Ben-Hur
Spartacus
 
Reservoir Dogs and The Usual Suspects are out on Blu-Ray, and Spartacus is on HD DVD (but has a rep as a crappy transfer). The Bourne series is out on HD DVD (except Ultimatum, which comes out Dec. 11th). I don't believe any of the others have been announced, but based on current loyalties (and my faulty memory because I'm too lazy to look up the distributor), here's how they'd fall if they WERE released:

LA Confidential: Warner, both formats
Fight Club: Fox, Blu-Ray
Rounders: Disney, Blu-Ray, unless it's one of the titles retained by the Weinsteins, in which case HD DVD
James Bond: Casino Royale out on Blu-Ray, the rest of the series is split between Sony and Fox, so Blu-Ray either way.
Star Wars: whatever format George Lucas wants it released on in 2013.
Ben-Hur: Warner, both formats.
 
[quote name='geko29']Reservoir Dogs and The Usual Suspects are out on Blu-Ray, and Spartacus is on HD DVD (but has a rep as a crappy transfer). The Bourne series is out on HD DVD (except Ultimatum, which comes out Dec. 11th). I don't believe any of the others have been announced, but based on current loyalties (and my faulty memory because I'm too lazy to look up the distributor), here's how they'd fall if they WERE released:

LA Confidential: Warner, both formats
Fight Club: Fox, Blu-Ray
Rounders: Disney, Blu-Ray, unless it's one of the titles retained by the Weinsteins, in which case HD DVD
James Bond: Casino Royale out on Blu-Ray, the rest of the series is split between Sony and Fox, so Blu-Ray either way.
Star Wars: whatever format George Lucas wants it released on in 2013.
Ben-Hur: Warner, both formats.[/QUOTE]

I was under the impression that the Bond series is all MGM/UA, meaning it's Blu-Ray (like you point out), but saying "MGM is BR" is akin to saying "Weinstein is HD DVD." :lol:

Which is disappointing, considering what a hardcore Bond fan I am. I'd even buy "Moonraker" in hi-def. ;)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I was under the impression that the Bond series is all MGM/UA, meaning it's Blu-Ray (like you point out), but saying "MGM is BR" is akin to saying "Weinstein is HD DVD." :lol:

Which is disappointing, considering what a hardcore Bond fan I am. I'd even buy "Moonraker" in hi-def. ;)[/quote]
Yeah it is all MGM/UA (except for CR), that much is certain. Because of how fucked up the rights to MGM's library are, I'm unsure if all of it belongs to either Fox or Sony, or if it's split between them. I know between the two of them, they own all of the Bonds, because Warner's ownership of part of the MGM catalog specifically excludes the United Artists titles (otherwise they would own roughly half of the series). But either way it's immaterial, and as you correctly point out, MGM should be renamed MIA as far as the format war is concerned.

And I would buy the entire Bond collection in a second as well. I bought all the original THX-certified Mono DVDs that are now out of print (and worth a pretty penny), as well as the first 3 mismatched boxsets. Never got the new ones because I'm holding out for HiDef. But the moment they're announced, my preorder will be in.
 
[quote name='geko29']And I would buy the entire Bond collection in a second as well. I bought all the original THX-certified Mono DVDs that are now out of print (and worth a pretty penny), as well as the first 3 mismatched boxsets. Never got the new ones because I'm holding out for HiDef. But the moment they're announced, my preorder will be in.[/QUOTE]

Indeed. $300 FTMFW/L! :lol:

I have the second run of the three box sets (they were different sets altogether, but still all out of order) - I knew they were worth a bit for a minute, but figured the $10 2-disc sets more than killed off their value.
 
I know it's a sacrilige , but I'm kinda content with Bond on VHS .

I grew up watching them on TV in the 70's and seeing them in the theater in the 80's . My 1st one at the theater was Moonraker [almost positive] .

I like the low quality until you get to Goldeneye , I boycotted the Timothy Dalton movies [still to this day] .
 
[quote name='Richlough'] I boycotted the Timothy Dalton movies [still to this day] .[/quote]You're crazy! Dalton is the most like Fleming's Bond, more than any other!
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']hey which sites do you guys import HD DVDs from?[/QUOTE]

Either straight from the foreign Amazons or XploitedCinema.

- edit Current money spent on imports

I've so far spent extra (using $19.95 as the price point because Blu-Rays aren't free) including shipping

Band Of Brothers 1-5 = -$19.95
Elephant Man = $15.68
The Machinist = $0
Mulholland Drive = $15.68
Serpico = $10
Terminator 2 (2 disc) = $15.68
Total Recall = $14.27
The Prestige = $12.20
The Pianist = $12.20

Grand total = $75.76
 
[quote name='Gentlegamer']You're crazy! Dalton is the most like Fleming's Bond, more than any other![/quote]
The character in those films (particularly License to Kill) is, but Dalton himself is missing something and can't quite pull it off. Bond to me is rough, likeable, and cruel. Dalton nails the cruel part, but he's too pretty-boy to fit the rough and tumble image, and yet too smarmy to be likeable.

I actually really like Craig for the part, and I didn't think I would. He's definately rough, and hits the cold, calculating aspect as well. To top it off, he's got more charisma than anybody who's played the part except Connery.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']I've so far spent extra (using $19.95 as the price point because Blu-Rays aren't free) including shipping

Band Of Brothers 1-5 = -$19.95
[/quote]
How the fuck did you get Band of Brothers for
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Either straight from the foreign Amazons or XploitedCinema.

- edit Current money spent on imports

I've so far spent extra (using $19.95 as the price point because Blu-Rays aren't free) including shipping

Band Of Brothers 1-5 = -$19.95
Elephant Man = $15.68
The Machinist = $0
Mulholland Drive = $15.68
Terminator 2 (2 disc) = $15.68
Total Recall = $14.27
The Prestige = $12.20
The Pianist = $12.20

Grand total = $65.76[/QUOTE]

whats the shipping like on all these imports?
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']whats the shipping like on all these imports?[/QUOTE]

Depends on where you get it from.

With XploitedCinema, it isn't too bad. Ranges from $2.50-6 if you get USPS.

The foreign Amazons are a different story. 20% comes off the price thanks to VAT tax not applying to us and you usually want to get more than one title to offset the shipping cost (since it stays the same). UK isn't too bad, I paid £4.07 for my Pianist and Prestige. France cost more around 10ish EUROs. Germany is completely out of fucking control so you won't want to order from them. Japan is around $25 but if you want a Japanese disc, you would be better off ordering from HMV

Check out this thread for more info: http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=3010
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']thanx, sadly the weak dollar kills this[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it's not cheap but if you need a movie bad enough in HD, it's a good option.

You can always check out Australia. Our dollar is still better than theirs :)

http://www.ezydvd.com.au/

- edit Forgot about Serpico on my original list.
 
[quote name='geko29']The character in those films (particularly License to Kill) is, but Dalton himself is missing something and can't quite pull it off. Bond to me is rough, likeable, and cruel. Dalton nails the cruel part, but he's too pretty-boy to fit the rough and tumble image, and yet too smarmy to be likeable.

I actually really like Craig for the part, and I didn't think I would. He's definately rough, and hits the cold, calculating aspect as well. To top it off, he's got more charisma than anybody who's played the part except Connery.[/quote]
I agree, I didn't think I would like Craig, but when I say Casino royale, I love him and thought he did a great job though. But I still liked Pierce Brosnan better.

BTW, is it too much to ask that MGM release all of their Mel Brooks movies in HI-def or are those owned by Warner? Spaceballs on Blu-ray would be sweet (even though I alreay own it on DVD...)
 
Anyone know a good site I can import Korean HDM from? Yes I know there are Korean movies on HD DVD in Japan; however, I'm looking for Korean exclusives I might be interested in.
 
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