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its funny that i was thinking the same wcw/wwf thing when looking at this war....
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[quote name='Sporadic']I'd like to imagine Paramount as The Radicalz instead of The Outsiders. 
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Could they be like Dean Malenko, who had all the skill in the world, but never delivered shit after joining WWF?
Could they be like Perry Saturn, riding on the coattails of his more popular and better-skilled compatriots...only to fizzle into shit after people realized that he never was anything worthwhile after ceasing to be in The Eliminators?
Could they be like Chris Benoit, who...ah, to hell with that one?
[quote name='GizmoGC']Correct. I can understand that you as a 100% Blu-ray supporter would feel their numbers are valid, but when they don't get numbers from all sources, especially one that just allowed a format to gain 20-25% more HD DVD owners, I, as well as many others, find them to be invalid, especially after Friday.[/QUOTE]
Alright, homeboy. If you think you're smarter than Nielsen, more power to you. I expect you to provide accurate sales figures and marketshare for the entire year up to now, including this current week; additionally, I want you to document the methodological shortcomings of the Nielsen boards' estimates (it's important that I point out that they are estimates, because the -strangely enough- ESTIMATE the overall sales and shares premised upon a large datasource of sales figures, in addition to ESTIMATING precisely what the market contributions of those data they don't have access to - INCLUDING WAL-MART - to create those figures), as well as provide a methodological framework depicting how your estimation of WM's contribution to sales is superior to Nielsen's.
By next Wednesday. Get to steppin', hombre.
Look: Nielsen INCLUDES AN ESTIMATE of Wal-Mart's sales in their figures. You're a goddamned fool if you think that, taking this sale into consideration, they won't change how those estimates are calculated. Think of it this way: plenty of data show that WM sales account for 20-25% of ALL consumer transactions in the US. Gas, DVDs, Hostess cupcakes, radiator fluid - EVERYTHING. Now, taking that part into consideration, if you simply took the data you had and added a weighted version of that ratio for 20-25% for Wal-Mart, you'd be biasing your results incorrectly. Simply because WM's presence in the hidef market is negligible at the moment: BB has the largest presence, and that's about 33% at the moment. WM isn't even on the radar, well below other electronics retailers, and your beloved Amazon. So...how would YOU measure Wal-Mart's contribution in meaningful ways that would expose Nielsen's "blu bias," as I'm sure you think of it? Or are you making these phony-ass claims of grandiosity merely because they make you feel warm and fuzzy inside, and suggest that HD DVD has actually WON the sales one of these weeks?
Let me ask you this: do you ACTUALLY believe that HD DVD will win this week out, given the release of Spiderman, not to mention the fact that they haven't outsold BR a single
ing week this year?
:lol: You're a real peach sometimes, you know that? Thinking you have a better idea of what the market looks like thanin' Nielsen. :lol:
[/QUOTE]Could they be like Dean Malenko, who had all the skill in the world, but never delivered shit after joining WWF?
Could they be like Perry Saturn, riding on the coattails of his more popular and better-skilled compatriots...only to fizzle into shit after people realized that he never was anything worthwhile after ceasing to be in The Eliminators?
Could they be like Chris Benoit, who...ah, to hell with that one?
[quote name='GizmoGC']Correct. I can understand that you as a 100% Blu-ray supporter would feel their numbers are valid, but when they don't get numbers from all sources, especially one that just allowed a format to gain 20-25% more HD DVD owners, I, as well as many others, find them to be invalid, especially after Friday.[/QUOTE]
Alright, homeboy. If you think you're smarter than Nielsen, more power to you. I expect you to provide accurate sales figures and marketshare for the entire year up to now, including this current week; additionally, I want you to document the methodological shortcomings of the Nielsen boards' estimates (it's important that I point out that they are estimates, because the -strangely enough- ESTIMATE the overall sales and shares premised upon a large datasource of sales figures, in addition to ESTIMATING precisely what the market contributions of those data they don't have access to - INCLUDING WAL-MART - to create those figures), as well as provide a methodological framework depicting how your estimation of WM's contribution to sales is superior to Nielsen's.
By next Wednesday. Get to steppin', hombre.
Look: Nielsen INCLUDES AN ESTIMATE of Wal-Mart's sales in their figures. You're a goddamned fool if you think that, taking this sale into consideration, they won't change how those estimates are calculated. Think of it this way: plenty of data show that WM sales account for 20-25% of ALL consumer transactions in the US. Gas, DVDs, Hostess cupcakes, radiator fluid - EVERYTHING. Now, taking that part into consideration, if you simply took the data you had and added a weighted version of that ratio for 20-25% for Wal-Mart, you'd be biasing your results incorrectly. Simply because WM's presence in the hidef market is negligible at the moment: BB has the largest presence, and that's about 33% at the moment. WM isn't even on the radar, well below other electronics retailers, and your beloved Amazon. So...how would YOU measure Wal-Mart's contribution in meaningful ways that would expose Nielsen's "blu bias," as I'm sure you think of it? Or are you making these phony-ass claims of grandiosity merely because they make you feel warm and fuzzy inside, and suggest that HD DVD has actually WON the sales one of these weeks?
Let me ask you this: do you ACTUALLY believe that HD DVD will win this week out, given the release of Spiderman, not to mention the fact that they haven't outsold BR a single
ing week this year?:lol: You're a real peach sometimes, you know that? Thinking you have a better idea of what the market looks like than
in' Nielsen. :lol:
[quote name='mykevermin']Could they be like Dean Malenko, who had all the skill in the world, but never delivered shit after joining WWF?
Could they be like Perry Saturn, riding on the coattails of his more popular and better-skilled compatriots...only to fizzle into shit after people realized that he never was anything worthwhile after ceasing to be in The Eliminators?
Could they be like Chris Benoit, who...ah, to hell with that one?
Alright, homeboy. If you think you're smarter than Nielsen, more power to you. I expect you to provide accurate sales figures and marketshare for the entire year up to now, including this current week; additionally, I want you to document the methodological shortcomings of the Nielsen boards' estimates (it's important that I point out that they are estimates, because the -strangely enough- ESTIMATE the overall sales and shares premised upon a large datasource of sales figures, in addition to ESTIMATING precisely what the market contributions of those data they don't have access to - INCLUDING WAL-MART - to create those figures), as well as provide a methodological framework depicting how your estimation of WM's contribution to sales is superior to Nielsen's.
By next Wednesday. Get to steppin', hombre.
Look: Nielsen INCLUDES AN ESTIMATE of Wal-Mart's sales in their figures. You're a goddamned fool if you think that, taking this sale into consideration, they won't change how those estimates are calculated. Think of it this way: plenty of data show that WM sales account for 20-25% of ALL consumer transactions in the US. Gas, DVDs, Hostess cupcakes, radiator fluid - EVERYTHING. Now, taking that part into consideration, if you simply took the data you had and added a weighted version of that ratio for 20-25% for Wal-Mart, you'd be biasing your results incorrectly. Simply because WM's presence in the hidef market is negligible at the moment: BB has the largest presence, and that's about 33% at the moment. WM isn't even on the radar, well below other electronics retailers, and your beloved Amazon. So...how would YOU measure Wal-Mart's contribution in meaningful ways that would expose Nielsen's "blu bias," as I'm sure you think of it? Or are you making these phony-ass claims of grandiosity merely because they make you feel warm and fuzzy inside, and suggest that HD DVD has actually WON the sales one of these weeks?
Let me ask you this: do you ACTUALLY believe that HD DVD will win this week out, given the release of Spiderman, not to mention the fact that they haven't outsold BR a singleing week this year?
:lol: You're a real peach sometimes, you know that? Thinking you have a better idea of what the market looks like thanin' Nielsen. :lol:[/QUOTE]
Bla Bla Bla Blu-ray is better.
If Nielsen does not get information from Wal-Mart then the figures are no longer valid to anyone buy Blu-ray fanboys like you. Do I think any title outsold Spider-Man 3? No, of course not. Spider-Man 3/Trilogy will win the week. However, if Nielsen actually counted a place like Wal-mart which moved a shit load of movies, you might see some catalog titles showing up higher then they would otherwise. Would they overtake #1? No. Would the HD/BR % be different? Yes.
Of course, the numbers mean shit as the studios know exactly how many copies they sell. Warner can see exactly how many stand alones were sold and see that HD DVD sales start to pick up...and boom, HD DVD exclusive. What will you guys do then?
Shit, the 40GB $399 Blu-ray player came out 2 days ago...does anyone on the internet care? Nope, its all about $99 A2s and $199 A3s.
Could they be like Perry Saturn, riding on the coattails of his more popular and better-skilled compatriots...only to fizzle into shit after people realized that he never was anything worthwhile after ceasing to be in The Eliminators?
Could they be like Chris Benoit, who...ah, to hell with that one?
Alright, homeboy. If you think you're smarter than Nielsen, more power to you. I expect you to provide accurate sales figures and marketshare for the entire year up to now, including this current week; additionally, I want you to document the methodological shortcomings of the Nielsen boards' estimates (it's important that I point out that they are estimates, because the -strangely enough- ESTIMATE the overall sales and shares premised upon a large datasource of sales figures, in addition to ESTIMATING precisely what the market contributions of those data they don't have access to - INCLUDING WAL-MART - to create those figures), as well as provide a methodological framework depicting how your estimation of WM's contribution to sales is superior to Nielsen's.
By next Wednesday. Get to steppin', hombre.
Look: Nielsen INCLUDES AN ESTIMATE of Wal-Mart's sales in their figures. You're a goddamned fool if you think that, taking this sale into consideration, they won't change how those estimates are calculated. Think of it this way: plenty of data show that WM sales account for 20-25% of ALL consumer transactions in the US. Gas, DVDs, Hostess cupcakes, radiator fluid - EVERYTHING. Now, taking that part into consideration, if you simply took the data you had and added a weighted version of that ratio for 20-25% for Wal-Mart, you'd be biasing your results incorrectly. Simply because WM's presence in the hidef market is negligible at the moment: BB has the largest presence, and that's about 33% at the moment. WM isn't even on the radar, well below other electronics retailers, and your beloved Amazon. So...how would YOU measure Wal-Mart's contribution in meaningful ways that would expose Nielsen's "blu bias," as I'm sure you think of it? Or are you making these phony-ass claims of grandiosity merely because they make you feel warm and fuzzy inside, and suggest that HD DVD has actually WON the sales one of these weeks?
Let me ask you this: do you ACTUALLY believe that HD DVD will win this week out, given the release of Spiderman, not to mention the fact that they haven't outsold BR a single
ing week this year?:lol: You're a real peach sometimes, you know that? Thinking you have a better idea of what the market looks like than
in' Nielsen. :lol:[/QUOTE]Bla Bla Bla Blu-ray is better.
If Nielsen does not get information from Wal-Mart then the figures are no longer valid to anyone buy Blu-ray fanboys like you. Do I think any title outsold Spider-Man 3? No, of course not. Spider-Man 3/Trilogy will win the week. However, if Nielsen actually counted a place like Wal-mart which moved a shit load of movies, you might see some catalog titles showing up higher then they would otherwise. Would they overtake #1? No. Would the HD/BR % be different? Yes.
Of course, the numbers mean shit as the studios know exactly how many copies they sell. Warner can see exactly how many stand alones were sold and see that HD DVD sales start to pick up...and boom, HD DVD exclusive. What will you guys do then?
Shit, the 40GB $399 Blu-ray player came out 2 days ago...does anyone on the internet care? Nope, its all about $99 A2s and $199 A3s.
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[quote name='GizmoGC']Bla Bla Bla Blu-ray is better.
If Nielsen does not get information from Wal-Mart then the figures are no longer valid to anyone buy Blu-ray fanboys like you. Do I think any title outsold Spider-Man 3? No, of course not. Spider-Man 3/Trilogy will win the week. However, if Nielsen actually counted a place like Wal-mart which moved a shit load of movies, you might see some catalog titles showing up higher then they would otherwise. Would they overtake #1? No. Would the HD/BR % be different? Yes.
Of course, the numbers mean shit as the studios know exactly how many copies they sell. Warner can see exactly how many stand alones were sold and see that HD DVD sales start to pick up...and boom, HD DVD exclusive. What will you guys do then?
Shit, the 40GB $399 Blu-ray player came out 2 days ago...does anyone on the internet care? Nope, its all about $99 A2s and $199 A3s.[/quote]
That's funny, everytime I read one of your posts all I hear is "Bla bla bla HD-DVD is better becase of attach rates!"
If Nielsen does not get information from Wal-Mart then the figures are no longer valid to anyone buy Blu-ray fanboys like you. Do I think any title outsold Spider-Man 3? No, of course not. Spider-Man 3/Trilogy will win the week. However, if Nielsen actually counted a place like Wal-mart which moved a shit load of movies, you might see some catalog titles showing up higher then they would otherwise. Would they overtake #1? No. Would the HD/BR % be different? Yes.
Of course, the numbers mean shit as the studios know exactly how many copies they sell. Warner can see exactly how many stand alones were sold and see that HD DVD sales start to pick up...and boom, HD DVD exclusive. What will you guys do then?
Shit, the 40GB $399 Blu-ray player came out 2 days ago...does anyone on the internet care? Nope, its all about $99 A2s and $199 A3s.[/quote]
That's funny, everytime I read one of your posts all I hear is "Bla bla bla HD-DVD is better becase of attach rates!"
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[quote name='GizmoGC']boom, HD DVD exclusive.[/QUOTE]
You are a naive lad.
"Hey, we're selling twice as many movies on this format as we are on the other!"
"Hmm...what about the attach rates?"
"Oh, you're right. It means so much more than how many movies we sell, right? Shareholders LOVE attach rates because of the impact it has on their dividends compared to raw sales."
"Well, are you going to keep blathering or get the deal done?"
"Right, then. ATTACH RATES AHOY!"
You are a naive lad.
"Hey, we're selling twice as many movies on this format as we are on the other!"
"Hmm...what about the attach rates?"
"Oh, you're right. It means so much more than how many movies we sell, right? Shareholders LOVE attach rates because of the impact it has on their dividends compared to raw sales."
"Well, are you going to keep blathering or get the deal done?"
"Right, then. ATTACH RATES AHOY!"
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[quote name='mykevermin']Could they be like Dean Malenko, who had all the skill in the world, but never delivered shit after joining WWF?
Could they be like Perry Saturn, riding on the coattails of his more popular and better-skilled compatriots...only to fizzle into shit after people realized that he never was anything worthwhile after ceasing to be in The Eliminators?
Could they be like Chris Benoit, who...ah, to hell with that one?
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You could have summed all of that up with one word: Moppy.
Could they be like Perry Saturn, riding on the coattails of his more popular and better-skilled compatriots...only to fizzle into shit after people realized that he never was anything worthwhile after ceasing to be in The Eliminators?
Could they be like Chris Benoit, who...ah, to hell with that one?
[/QUOTE]
You could have summed all of that up with one word: Moppy.
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[quote name='Snake2715']Somewhat related didnt spidey 3 totally bomb out as far as mainstream takes on it? Almost everyone i knew said it sucked compared to the first two.. I guess that doesnt have any effect on its sales though.[/quote]
I think that it will have some impact. When Transformers came out, I was at Best Buy when the store opened and the store was flooded. When Spider-Man 3 released I was at Best Buy when it opened and there was only a handfull of people there.
I think that it will have some impact. When Transformers came out, I was at Best Buy when the store opened and the store was flooded. When Spider-Man 3 released I was at Best Buy when it opened and there was only a handfull of people there.
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[quote name='Thomas96']when exactly are we going to crown blu ray the winner of this war...
and I wondering will HD-DVD ever just give up and support Blu Ray.. cause imo that's really what everyone is waiting for... (move industry wise)[/quote]
Some could say the same thing for the opposite. HD DVD is not giving up without a fight...just look at the current deals on HD DVD players and HD DVD movies. Walmart & Best Buy selling players for $100, Circuit City for $130. 3rd Generation HD DVD players starting at $200 with 8 free movies...come on...the war is far from nearing its end.
and I wondering will HD-DVD ever just give up and support Blu Ray.. cause imo that's really what everyone is waiting for... (move industry wise)[/quote]
Some could say the same thing for the opposite. HD DVD is not giving up without a fight...just look at the current deals on HD DVD players and HD DVD movies. Walmart & Best Buy selling players for $100, Circuit City for $130. 3rd Generation HD DVD players starting at $200 with 8 free movies...come on...the war is far from nearing its end.
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Some could say the same thing for the opposite. HD DVD is not giving up without a fight...just look at the current deals on HD DVD players and HD DVD movies. Walmart & Best Buy selling players for $100, Circuit City for $130. 3rd Generation HD DVD players starting at $200 with 8 free movies...come on...the war is far from nearing its end.[/QUOTE]
I remember some analyst saying that Blu ray camp needed some 250 dollars players for this holiday season. A shame that BR didn't follow through on that. Only thing that I see that could perhaps counter that 100 dollar HD DVD player is to give 200 dollars off any blu ray player (sony) with the purchase of a Sony HDTV 999 or above. Samsung could do it too.
I remember some analyst saying that Blu ray camp needed some 250 dollars players for this holiday season. A shame that BR didn't follow through on that. Only thing that I see that could perhaps counter that 100 dollar HD DVD player is to give 200 dollars off any blu ray player (sony) with the purchase of a Sony HDTV 999 or above. Samsung could do it too.
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[quote name='LinkinPrime']Some could say the same thing for the opposite. HD DVD is not giving up without a fight...just look at the current deals on HD DVD players and HD DVD movies. Walmart & Best Buy selling players for $100, Circuit City for $130. 3rd Generation HD DVD players starting at $200 with 8 free movies...come on...the war is far from nearing its end.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. I remember the Dreamcast just kickin' tail on the PS2 after it dropped in price because nobody was buyin' it.
Right? RIGHT?
Indeed. I remember the Dreamcast just kickin' tail on the PS2 after it dropped in price because nobody was buyin' it.
Right? RIGHT?
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[quote name='mykevermin']Indeed. I remember the Dreamcast just kickin' tail on the PS2 after it dropped in price because nobody was buyin' it.
Right? RIGHT?
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Well i think that was due to the fact thating sega themselves pretty much killed the system by cancelling big titles and going third party..
Didnt peter moore or something make an announcement while the dc was still alive and kicking... that was a sad day...
Right? RIGHT?
[/quote]Well i think that was due to the fact that
ing sega themselves pretty much killed the system by cancelling big titles and going third party.. Didnt peter moore or something make an announcement while the dc was still alive and kicking... that was a sad day...
[quote name='mykevermin']Indeed. I remember the Dreamcast just kickin' tail on the PS2 after it dropped in price because nobody was buyin' it.
Right? RIGHT?
[/QUOTE]
SEGA was in debt and out of money. Toshiba & MS aren't.
And they aren't losing much either. These HD-A2/HD-A3 players use exactly the same parts as the newly launched Chinese CH-DVD standard. So the HD players manufactured for the 1.3 billion population of China can be sold in the US cheaply. Now that's economy of scale for you.
Right? RIGHT?
[/QUOTE]SEGA was in debt and out of money. Toshiba & MS aren't.
And they aren't losing much either. These HD-A2/HD-A3 players use exactly the same parts as the newly launched Chinese CH-DVD standard. So the HD players manufactured for the 1.3 billion population of China can be sold in the US cheaply. Now that's economy of scale for you.
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[quote name='mykevermin']Indeed. I remember the Dreamcast just kickin' tail on the PS2 after it dropped in price because nobody was buyin' it.
Right? RIGHT?
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Wrong! Why do you always come back with meaningless comebacks? Just trying to have a discussion here. The other guy mentioned that Blu-Ray was the winner, I was sincerly backing up HD DVD with facts. Then you go and compare HD DVD to the Dreamcast with no facts to back it up...WTF!? The has to be the dumbest rebutal I've seen from you yet. As Runied mentioned, SEGA was running out of money and they also had piracy issues so the game sales were going nowhere...how does that even compare to HD DVD....oh right...The players reached an all time low of $98 and are selling off the shelves like they're giving them out for free, current sales on HD DVD titles have them flying off the shelf as well...yeah SEGA Dreamcast all over again.
I swear some Blu-Ray fanboys seem like they are in aing cult and they are totally brainwashed by Sony.
Right? RIGHT?
[/quote] Wrong! Why do you always come back with meaningless comebacks? Just trying to have a discussion here. The other guy mentioned that Blu-Ray was the winner, I was sincerly backing up HD DVD with facts. Then you go and compare HD DVD to the Dreamcast with no facts to back it up...WTF!? The has to be the dumbest rebutal I've seen from you yet. As Runied mentioned, SEGA was running out of money and they also had piracy issues so the game sales were going nowhere...how does that even compare to HD DVD....oh right...The players reached an all time low of $98 and are selling off the shelves like they're giving them out for free, current sales on HD DVD titles have them flying off the shelf as well...yeah SEGA Dreamcast all over again.
I swear some Blu-Ray fanboys seem like they are in a
ing cult and they are totally brainwashed by Sony.
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[quote name='LinkinPrime']Wrong! Why do you always come back with meaningless comebacks?[/quote]
Because I'm smarmy. I fully expect you to similarly chide Sporadic for starting the similarly irrelevant "big time wrestling" analogy a few pages back. Don't just single me out, hombre.
:lol: Your facts are comparable to the Dreamcast - by the time they dropped the price on it, it was irrelevant. HD DVD can NO LONGER sell their players at a profit until the manufacturing cost plummets - the consumers see these great deals, and they're conditioned to not buy an HD DVD player at full price any more. They want a $200 player with 10 free movies. Can Toshiba weather that loss? Perhaps. Moreso than Sega could, clearly. Nevertheless, the other side of "this war is really heating up" is "there is absolutely nothing else HD DVD can do to win over Blu-Ray if this plan does not work - this is their final salvo, and it better count for them."
Seriously, what can HD DVD do now? Give away 15 movies with each purchase? 20? Sell standalones for $45? Leave one on every doorstep in America? There really are no more strategic plans that HD DVD can do if the public does not buy the players en masse - and if these prices remain temporary, they've shot themselves in the foot. Nevertheless, they were destined to lose the holiday if they did not do this, so it really is a kind of catch-22.
I think there are some parallels between EA/DC and WB/HD; if Warner goes BR exclusive after the holidays, HD DVD is dead. There's no two ways about it. If they go HD DVD exclusive, then the war is dragged on. Let's not fool ourselves: HD DVD is doing the things they are doing not because they love you, but because they HAVE to to get their players and videos in peoples' homes.
:lol: Your words, hombre. Not mine.
Transformers? All 190,000...err...115,000? That's dandy. Heroes? :lol: That was a freebie, sweetheart. What other HD DVD titles are selling like hotcakes? How many A2/A3s have been sold this weekend? Show me the figures, Mr. I-only-speak-the-facts. If you want to make these claims, then you can jolly well back them up with verifiable, non-anecdotal data, right? I hope so, since you're such a stickler for facts.
If you think that Blu-Ray viewers have the market cornered on that, you're more blinded than you believe.
Because I'm smarmy. I fully expect you to similarly chide Sporadic for starting the similarly irrelevant "big time wrestling" analogy a few pages back. Don't just single me out, hombre.
:lol: Your facts are comparable to the Dreamcast - by the time they dropped the price on it, it was irrelevant. HD DVD can NO LONGER sell their players at a profit until the manufacturing cost plummets - the consumers see these great deals, and they're conditioned to not buy an HD DVD player at full price any more. They want a $200 player with 10 free movies. Can Toshiba weather that loss? Perhaps. Moreso than Sega could, clearly. Nevertheless, the other side of "this war is really heating up" is "there is absolutely nothing else HD DVD can do to win over Blu-Ray if this plan does not work - this is their final salvo, and it better count for them."
Seriously, what can HD DVD do now? Give away 15 movies with each purchase? 20? Sell standalones for $45? Leave one on every doorstep in America? There really are no more strategic plans that HD DVD can do if the public does not buy the players en masse - and if these prices remain temporary, they've shot themselves in the foot. Nevertheless, they were destined to lose the holiday if they did not do this, so it really is a kind of catch-22.
I think there are some parallels between EA/DC and WB/HD; if Warner goes BR exclusive after the holidays, HD DVD is dead. There's no two ways about it. If they go HD DVD exclusive, then the war is dragged on. Let's not fool ourselves: HD DVD is doing the things they are doing not because they love you, but because they HAVE to to get their players and videos in peoples' homes.
:lol: Your words, hombre. Not mine.
Transformers? All 190,000...err...115,000? That's dandy. Heroes? :lol: That was a freebie, sweetheart. What other HD DVD titles are selling like hotcakes? How many A2/A3s have been sold this weekend? Show me the figures, Mr. I-only-speak-the-facts. If you want to make these claims, then you can jolly well back them up with verifiable, non-anecdotal data, right? I hope so, since you're such a stickler for facts.
I swear some Blu-Ray fanboys seem like they are in a
If you think that Blu-Ray viewers have the market cornered on that, you're more blinded than you believe.
Playstation 3 as a blu ray player basically ousted HD-DVD, it may not be total fact at this time, but when we look back at this BR vs HDDVD issue in the future, then we'll know it to be truth. The Blu ray camp is so confident about their product that they aren't even countering the 100/200 dollar HDDVD. You know also, Walmart I think will be selling the 100/200 dollar HDDVD players in a store where they don't even sale 1080p televisions. Anyway, point is.. if the 100/200 HDDVDs don't sell like hotcakes this holiday season, then that's it.... what else could HDDVD do to bring consumers to their products.... because after blu ray enacted their buy player get 5 movies free, then HDDVD did the samething and the outcome of that was that they decided to release (or drop) players at the 100/200 dollar mark. So the 5 free movies deal for HDDVD was most likely a bust. I don't have anything against HDDVD, but using that PS3 as the Blu Ray trojan horse was a great idea, and if HDDVD was in the 360, then perhaps it'd be blu ray on the outside looking in.
Wow... just wow.
BluRay isn't countering the $100 HDDVD players because they *can't*, not because of confidence. If Wii dropped to $150 and PS3 stayed $400, would that be because of confidence too? Dude, BR players cost more to manufacture, so they sell for more. End of story.
HDDVD is and always has been cheaper to produce. Eventually, the dichotomy between prices will blur, but HDDVD will remain substantially cheaper for quite a while.
At this point it's pretty clear that both formats will remain strong for years to come, but until the masses act (which they have yet to do), we won't know which will be the ultimate victor, if any.
BluRay isn't countering the $100 HDDVD players because they *can't*, not because of confidence. If Wii dropped to $150 and PS3 stayed $400, would that be because of confidence too? Dude, BR players cost more to manufacture, so they sell for more. End of story.
HDDVD is and always has been cheaper to produce. Eventually, the dichotomy between prices will blur, but HDDVD will remain substantially cheaper for quite a while.
At this point it's pretty clear that both formats will remain strong for years to come, but until the masses act (which they have yet to do), we won't know which will be the ultimate victor, if any.
[quote name='Koggit']Wow... just wow.
BluRay isn't countering the $100 HDDVD players because they *can't*, not because of confidence. If Wii dropped to $150 and PS3 stayed $400, would that be because of confidence too? Dude, BR players cost more to manufacture, so they sell for more. End of story.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure if BD was at a point where they felt they would lose significant marketshare, or even outright fail, they could and would lower prices. I agree BD players cost more (although I find it hard to believe they cost twice as much, even though that's what retail prices seem to indicate), but they are also not as pressured to price themselves as competitively as HD just yet.
BluRay isn't countering the $100 HDDVD players because they *can't*, not because of confidence. If Wii dropped to $150 and PS3 stayed $400, would that be because of confidence too? Dude, BR players cost more to manufacture, so they sell for more. End of story.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure if BD was at a point where they felt they would lose significant marketshare, or even outright fail, they could and would lower prices. I agree BD players cost more (although I find it hard to believe they cost twice as much, even though that's what retail prices seem to indicate), but they are also not as pressured to price themselves as competitively as HD just yet.
[quote name='Danil ACE']There actually is still a Dreamcast kiosk at an EB near me. Very odd..[/QUOTE]
Speaking of that when is Kmart going HD DVD exclusive? I literally was just in one and they had 20-40 blu ray titles (estimate) and then transformers for HD. There was a reset sheet dated 10/17 sitting there and BD were getting all the glory of the 2 week old reset....
Speaking of that when is Kmart going HD DVD exclusive? I literally was just in one and they had 20-40 blu ray titles (estimate) and then transformers for HD. There was a reset sheet dated 10/17 sitting there and BD were getting all the glory of the 2 week old reset....
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[quote name='mykevermin']Because I'm smarmy. I fully expect you to similarly chide Sporadic for starting the similarly irrelevant "big time wrestling" analogy a few pages back. Don't just single me out, hombre.
:lol: Your facts are comparable to the Dreamcast - by the time they dropped the price on it, it was irrelevant. HD DVD can NO LONGER sell their players at a profit until the manufacturing cost plummets - the consumers see these great deals, and they're conditioned to not buy an HD DVD player at full price any more. They want a $200 player with 10 free movies. Can Toshiba weather that loss? Perhaps. Moreso than Sega could, clearly. Nevertheless, the other side of "this war is really heating up" is "there is absolutely nothing else HD DVD can do to win over Blu-Ray if this plan does not work - this is their final salvo, and it better count for them."
Seriously, what can HD DVD do now? Give away 15 movies with each purchase? 20? Sell standalones for $45? Leave one on every doorstep in America? There really are no more strategic plans that HD DVD can do if the public does not buy the players en masse - and if these prices remain temporary, they've shot themselves in the foot. Nevertheless, they were destined to lose the holiday if they did not do this, so it really is a kind of catch-22.
I think there are some parallels between EA/DC and WB/HD; if Warner goes BR exclusive after the holidays, HD DVD is dead. There's no two ways about it. If they go HD DVD exclusive, then the war is dragged on. Let's not fool ourselves: HD DVD is doing the things they are doing not because they love you, but because they HAVE to to get their players and videos in peoples' homes.
:lol: Your words, hombre. Not mine.
Transformers? All 190,000...err...115,000? That's dandy. Heroes? :lol: That was a freebie, sweetheart. What other HD DVD titles are selling like hotcakes? How many A2/A3s have been sold this weekend? Show me the figures, Mr. I-only-speak-the-facts. If you want to make these claims, then you can jolly well back them up with verifiable, non-anecdotal data, right? I hope so, since you're such a stickler for facts.
If you think that Blu-Ray viewers have the market cornered on that, you're more blinded than you believe.[/quote]
Oooh oooh I got one...
Blu-Ray is the Turbografx-16 all over again :lol:
See what I did there....
:lol: Your facts are comparable to the Dreamcast - by the time they dropped the price on it, it was irrelevant. HD DVD can NO LONGER sell their players at a profit until the manufacturing cost plummets - the consumers see these great deals, and they're conditioned to not buy an HD DVD player at full price any more. They want a $200 player with 10 free movies. Can Toshiba weather that loss? Perhaps. Moreso than Sega could, clearly. Nevertheless, the other side of "this war is really heating up" is "there is absolutely nothing else HD DVD can do to win over Blu-Ray if this plan does not work - this is their final salvo, and it better count for them."
Seriously, what can HD DVD do now? Give away 15 movies with each purchase? 20? Sell standalones for $45? Leave one on every doorstep in America? There really are no more strategic plans that HD DVD can do if the public does not buy the players en masse - and if these prices remain temporary, they've shot themselves in the foot. Nevertheless, they were destined to lose the holiday if they did not do this, so it really is a kind of catch-22.
I think there are some parallels between EA/DC and WB/HD; if Warner goes BR exclusive after the holidays, HD DVD is dead. There's no two ways about it. If they go HD DVD exclusive, then the war is dragged on. Let's not fool ourselves: HD DVD is doing the things they are doing not because they love you, but because they HAVE to to get their players and videos in peoples' homes.
:lol: Your words, hombre. Not mine.
Transformers? All 190,000...err...115,000? That's dandy. Heroes? :lol: That was a freebie, sweetheart. What other HD DVD titles are selling like hotcakes? How many A2/A3s have been sold this weekend? Show me the figures, Mr. I-only-speak-the-facts. If you want to make these claims, then you can jolly well back them up with verifiable, non-anecdotal data, right? I hope so, since you're such a stickler for facts.
If you think that Blu-Ray viewers have the market cornered on that, you're more blinded than you believe.[/quote]
Oooh oooh I got one...
Blu-Ray is the Turbografx-16 all over again :lol:
See what I did there....
[quote name='Koggit']Wow... just wow.
BluRay isn't countering the $100 HDDVD players because they *can't*, not because of confidence. If Wii dropped to $150 and PS3 stayed $400, would that be because of confidence too? Dude, BR players cost more to manufacture, so they sell for more. End of story.
HDDVD is and always has been cheaper to produce. Eventually, the dichotomy between prices will blur, but HDDVD will remain substantially cheaper for quite a while.
At this point it's pretty clear that both formats will remain strong for years to come, but until the masses act (which they have yet to do), we won't know which will be the ultimate victor, if any.[/QUOTE]
I never said that blu ray should do 100 dollar players.. don't think they can go that low.. but 250 they can do. And even if they lose a little money on the 250 player, they gain market control.. the faster they gain market control the more money they stand to make. A 250 dollars Blu ray player is most feasible and would have been good this holiday season...
BluRay isn't countering the $100 HDDVD players because they *can't*, not because of confidence. If Wii dropped to $150 and PS3 stayed $400, would that be because of confidence too? Dude, BR players cost more to manufacture, so they sell for more. End of story.
HDDVD is and always has been cheaper to produce. Eventually, the dichotomy between prices will blur, but HDDVD will remain substantially cheaper for quite a while.
At this point it's pretty clear that both formats will remain strong for years to come, but until the masses act (which they have yet to do), we won't know which will be the ultimate victor, if any.[/QUOTE]
I never said that blu ray should do 100 dollar players.. don't think they can go that low.. but 250 they can do. And even if they lose a little money on the 250 player, they gain market control.. the faster they gain market control the more money they stand to make. A 250 dollars Blu ray player is most feasible and would have been good this holiday season...
[quote name='mykevermin']Because I'm smarmy. I fully expect you to similarly chide Sporadic for starting the similarly irrelevant "big time wrestling" analogy a few pages back. Don't just single me out, hombre.
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Let's see, you were serious (or backhandedly serious) and I was making fun of you (like usual) for being a stupid jackass.
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Let's see, you were serious (or backhandedly serious) and I was making fun of you (like usual) for being a stupid jackass.
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Man, I got raped on both my purchase of the PS3, and the HD-A2. It litterally pains me to see the 40gb PS3 for $349 with Spider-Man 3 plus the five free Blu-rays. Then, of course, the A2 for practically free now with like a billion movies.
I really want this format war to be over with ASAP. I'm getting sick of buying very expensive movies knowing that one of these formats is going to be dead in two years, and completely incompatible with all standard players. I think I'm going to slow my HD purchases to a bare minimum of the absolutle must-haves. No collection building for me until there is a clear cut winner. Only the big boys; Superbad, Simpson's Movie, Lost, Shoot`em Up, Bourne Ultimatum. I don't see combo players coming down in price fast enough for both formats to co-exsist for another holiday season.
I still see Blu-ray taking it, and will always feel Blu-ray is the much better format. Now is a crucial time, and the BDA really needs to step it up if they want to win because HD DVD is literally being given away at this point. Sometimes I wonder if this wasn't some big conspiracy all along to get us all to buy a bunch of shit the way the "war" consistently swings in moment. Blu-ray has had so many oppotunites to end it flat-out, but just was content to be slightly ahead... maybe do to arrogance? I don't know, maybe they have a huge surprise up their sleave that has yet to be revealed.
Whatever it is, it needs to be done soon because we're pretty much in the holiday shopping season.
I really want this format war to be over with ASAP. I'm getting sick of buying very expensive movies knowing that one of these formats is going to be dead in two years, and completely incompatible with all standard players. I think I'm going to slow my HD purchases to a bare minimum of the absolutle must-haves. No collection building for me until there is a clear cut winner. Only the big boys; Superbad, Simpson's Movie, Lost, Shoot`em Up, Bourne Ultimatum. I don't see combo players coming down in price fast enough for both formats to co-exsist for another holiday season.
I still see Blu-ray taking it, and will always feel Blu-ray is the much better format. Now is a crucial time, and the BDA really needs to step it up if they want to win because HD DVD is literally being given away at this point. Sometimes I wonder if this wasn't some big conspiracy all along to get us all to buy a bunch of shit the way the "war" consistently swings in moment. Blu-ray has had so many oppotunites to end it flat-out, but just was content to be slightly ahead... maybe do to arrogance? I don't know, maybe they have a huge surprise up their sleave that has yet to be revealed.
Whatever it is, it needs to be done soon because we're pretty much in the holiday shopping season.
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I swear some Blu-Ray fanboys seem like they are in aing cult and they are totally brainwashed by Sony.[/QUOTE]
If they cross-breed with the Mac cult we're all doomed .
[quote name='Chris in Cali']Man, I got raped on both my purchase of the PS3, and the HD-A2. It litterally pains me to see the 40gb PS3 for $349 with Spider-Man 3 plus the five free Blu-rays.[/QUOTE]
$349 for a PS3 ? that sounds good with DS3 and BC , but I think you mean $399 .
I swear some Blu-Ray fanboys seem like they are in a
ing cult and they are totally brainwashed by Sony.[/QUOTE]If they cross-breed with the Mac cult we're all doomed .
[quote name='Chris in Cali']Man, I got raped on both my purchase of the PS3, and the HD-A2. It litterally pains me to see the 40gb PS3 for $349 with Spider-Man 3 plus the five free Blu-rays.[/QUOTE]
$349 for a PS3 ? that sounds good with DS3 and BC , but I think you mean $399 .
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[quote name='zewone']You guys (thomas96) are pretty stupid.[/quote]
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yea i expected more from a local...
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yea i expected more from a local...
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[quote name='LinkinPrime']Oooh oooh I got one...
Blu-Ray is the Turbografx-16 all over again :lol:
See what I did there....[/QUOTE]
Blu-Ray is the Turbografx-16 all over again :lol:
See what I did there....
[/QUOTE]Wrong! Why do you always come back with meaningless comebacks? Just trying to have a discussion here. The other guy mentioned that Blu-Ray was the winner, I was sincerly backing up HD DVD with facts. Then you go and compare HD DVD to the Dreamcast with no facts to back it up...WTF!? The has to be the dumbest rebutal I've seen from you yet. As Runied mentioned, SEGA was running out of money and they also had piracy issues so the game sales were going nowhere...how does that even compare to HD DVD....oh right...The players reached an all time low of $98 and are selling off the shelves like they're giving them out for free, current sales on HD DVD titles have them flying off the shelf as well...yeah SEGA Dreamcast all over again.
I swear some Blu-Ray fanboys seem like they are in a
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[quote name='Richlough']If they cross-breed with the Mac cult we're all doomed .[/QUOTE]
That's me in a nutshell; although, I'm not as bad as the average Mac user (as difficult as that may be to believe).
That's me in a nutshell; although, I'm not as bad as the average Mac user (as difficult as that may be to believe).
[quote name='mykevermin']That's me in a nutshell; although, I'm not as bad as the average Mac user (as difficult as that may be to believe).[/QUOTE]
That's good to know , some Mac user's are pretty big MS haters [makes sense I guess] .
They're also supering annoying , 'he he I could do that on my Mac 6 months ago' .
And Justin Long can go suck a fat one .
That's good to know , some Mac user's are pretty big MS haters [makes sense I guess] .
They're also super
ing annoying , 'he he I could do that on my Mac 6 months ago' .And Justin Long can go suck a fat one .
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[quote name='Richlough']That's good to know , some Mac user's are pretty big MS haters [makes sense I guess] .
They're also supering annoying , 'he he I could do that on my Mac 6 months ago' .[/quote]
That's all true (), but I just happen to greatly prefer the seamlessness of my Mac. I have owned one PC in my life, which I needed to for research projects (the Mac OS X port of SPSS made the PS3 port of Enchanted Arms look like in' Halo 3) - as a matter of fact, I still have a WinXP partition strictly for SPSS (and, I suppose, for making images of my PSX games for my PSP, which the Mac has a helluva time doing). That's really it, though. I'm more attached to my Mac than any other "brand" thing I own...but I'm a realist about it. Some people don't like Macs, some people don't need Macs, some people don't want to pay Mac prices, some people don't like having a single company supplying products/hardware, etc., etc. Most anti-Mac arguments, however, come down to "I'm afraid of becoming a Mac user." :lol: I can agree with that. Do I feel that Mac is a superior format? You bet. Do I feel that you're dead wrong if you disagree? Nah; it's the ideal platform for me. Not you. And that's the end of that discussion, from my end anyway.
I never understood that marketing campaign, since it made people sympathetic to John Hodgman (the "PC guy"), and reinforced the stereotype of Mac users as egotistical assholes. It was bad enough that it made "crying bebe" PS3 ads look sensible by comparison.
They're also super
ing annoying , 'he he I could do that on my Mac 6 months ago' .[/quote]That's all true (
), but I just happen to greatly prefer the seamlessness of my Mac. I have owned one PC in my life, which I needed to for research projects (the Mac OS X port of SPSS made the PS3 port of Enchanted Arms look like in' Halo 3) - as a matter of fact, I still have a WinXP partition strictly for SPSS (and, I suppose, for making images of my PSX games for my PSP, which the Mac has a helluva time doing). That's really it, though. I'm more attached to my Mac than any other "brand" thing I own...but I'm a realist about it. Some people don't like Macs, some people don't need Macs, some people don't want to pay Mac prices, some people don't like having a single company supplying products/hardware, etc., etc. Most anti-Mac arguments, however, come down to "I'm afraid of becoming a Mac user." :lol: I can agree with that. Do I feel that Mac is a superior format? You bet. Do I feel that you're dead wrong if you disagree? Nah; it's the ideal platform for me. Not you. And that's the end of that discussion, from my end anyway.I never understood that marketing campaign, since it made people sympathetic to John Hodgman (the "PC guy"), and reinforced the stereotype of Mac users as egotistical assholes. It was bad enough that it made "crying bebe" PS3 ads look sensible by comparison.
[quote name='Thomas96']because after blu ray enacted their buy player get 5 movies free, then HDDVD did the samething and the outcome of that was that they decided to release (or drop) players at the 100/200 dollar mark.[/quote]
You've got that backwards fella. The first 5 free HD DVD offer started in late 2006. Blu-Ray copied the promo starting in April of 2007.
You've got that backwards fella. The first 5 free HD DVD offer started in late 2006. Blu-Ray copied the promo starting in April of 2007.
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[quote name='Thomas96']you sell me out for a bitch... damn...[/quote]
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[quote name='Thomas96']see no one really even noticed until Blu ray did it...[/quote]
Sorry I hadn't kept up with my sony propaganda.
"Next-gen doesn't start until we say it does." Check.
"The format war doesn't start until we say it does." Check.
"Free movie promos don't start until we say they do." Adding to the list.
Sorry I hadn't kept up with my sony propaganda.
"Next-gen doesn't start until we say it does." Check.
"The format war doesn't start until we say it does." Check.
"Free movie promos don't start until we say they do." Adding to the list.
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[quote name='geko29']Sorry I hadn't kept up with my sony propaganda.
"Next-gen doesn't start until we say it does." Check.
"The format war doesn't start until we say it does." Check.
"Free movie promos don't start until we say they do." Adding to the list.[/quote]
Well, the format war didn't start until they they got into it because without them, there is only one format.
"Next-gen doesn't start until we say it does." Check.
"The format war doesn't start until we say it does." Check.
"Free movie promos don't start until we say they do." Adding to the list.[/quote]
Well, the format war didn't start until they they got into it because without them, there is only one format.
[quote name='Thomas96']see no one really even noticed until Blu ray did it...[/QUOTE]
The only reason it seemed more popular in the gaming community when Sony started it is because it applied to PS3s, which gamers buy.
In the A/V community, it was a much bigger splash when HDDVD did it. Sony's move was looked at as a shameless "me too" resonse to HDDVD's successful marketing strategy.
Your observations all seem to be based off of the gaming community, which is dreadfully skewed.
The only reason it seemed more popular in the gaming community when Sony started it is because it applied to PS3s, which gamers buy.
In the A/V community, it was a much bigger splash when HDDVD did it. Sony's move was looked at as a shameless "me too" resonse to HDDVD's successful marketing strategy.
Your observations all seem to be based off of the gaming community, which is dreadfully skewed.
[quote name='Koggit']The only reason it seemed more popular in the gaming community when Sony started it is because it applied to PS3s, which gamers buy.
In the A/V community, it was a much bigger splash when HDDVD did it. Sony's move was looked at as a shameless "me too" resonse to HDDVD's successful marketing strategy.
Your observations all seem to be based off of the gaming community, which is dreadfully skewed.[/QUOTE]
well this whole HD DVD / Blu Ray war is based off of the sales of PS3... yeah, HDDVD outsold Blu ray players... hell they were half the price. The truth is.. sony merged their gaming and movie products made PS3. The PS3 is one of the best a/v components that you could buy. When I'm in here, I'm thinking a/v, but the fact that a gaming machine is one of the best a/v machines that you can buy is a result of Sony's trojan horse strategy, which to this point has paid off.. at least in the format war. I think your observation is skewed off the gaming community view of the PS3... as a pure a/v enthusiast you couldn't find much fault with the the PS3. [unless you're just that sold on HDDVD]
In the A/V community, it was a much bigger splash when HDDVD did it. Sony's move was looked at as a shameless "me too" resonse to HDDVD's successful marketing strategy.
Your observations all seem to be based off of the gaming community, which is dreadfully skewed.[/QUOTE]
well this whole HD DVD / Blu Ray war is based off of the sales of PS3... yeah, HDDVD outsold Blu ray players... hell they were half the price. The truth is.. sony merged their gaming and movie products made PS3. The PS3 is one of the best a/v components that you could buy. When I'm in here, I'm thinking a/v, but the fact that a gaming machine is one of the best a/v machines that you can buy is a result of Sony's trojan horse strategy, which to this point has paid off.. at least in the format war. I think your observation is skewed off the gaming community view of the PS3... as a pure a/v enthusiast you couldn't find much fault with the the PS3. [unless you're just that sold on HDDVD]
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Well, the format war didn't start until they they got into it because without them, there is only one format. [/quote] Good point sir, good point. But I was actually referring to the war starting in May, but Sony not admitting it had started until the PS3 came out six months later.
[quote name='Thomas96']The PS3 is one of the best a/v components that you could buy. When I'm in here, I'm thinking a/v, but the fact that a gaming machine is one of the best a/v machines that you can buy is a result of Sony's trojan horse strategy, which to this point has paid off.. at least in the format war. I think your observation is skewed off the gaming community view of the PS3... as a pure a/v enthusiast you couldn't find much fault with the the PS3. [unless you're just that sold on HDDVD][/quote] The PS3 is an impressive piece of tech, no question about that. I have a few nagging complaints (fan noise, no IR, no advanced codec bitstreaming, doesn't autoplay when F@H is running and a disc is inserted), but all in all I'm very pleased with it, and given the profile situation, I wouldn't have any other Blu-Ray player this early in the game.
And yes, I am just that sold on HD DVD.
[/quote] Good point sir, good point. But I was actually referring to the war starting in May, but Sony not admitting it had started until the PS3 came out six months later.[quote name='Thomas96']The PS3 is one of the best a/v components that you could buy. When I'm in here, I'm thinking a/v, but the fact that a gaming machine is one of the best a/v machines that you can buy is a result of Sony's trojan horse strategy, which to this point has paid off.. at least in the format war. I think your observation is skewed off the gaming community view of the PS3... as a pure a/v enthusiast you couldn't find much fault with the the PS3. [unless you're just that sold on HDDVD][/quote] The PS3 is an impressive piece of tech, no question about that. I have a few nagging complaints (fan noise, no IR, no advanced codec bitstreaming, doesn't autoplay when F@H is running and a disc is inserted), but all in all I'm very pleased with it, and given the profile situation, I wouldn't have any other Blu-Ray player this early in the game.
And yes, I am just that sold on HD DVD.
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