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[quote name='pop311']A am new to all this High Def. DVD stuff, and I just had a real quick question. As of right now, what would be the better player, a Blu-Ray player or the 360 HDDVD attachment. I was thinking of getting my Dad the HDDVD attachment player with "HDDVD Planet Earth" for Father's Day, but I just wanted your guy's opinions.[/quote] that really has to do w/ your home setup and your budget.

the 360 add on has good video output over component, some would argue even better than the PS3
http://www.gamescentral.com/blogs/tek_jansens_explosive_gaming_experience/archive/2006/12/26/ps3-blu-ray-vs-xbox-360-hd-dvd-vs-dvd.aspx

but the audio, although better than DVD isnt as good as toshibas stand alone players.

if it were me, i would just shell out the extra 100 for the toshiba HD-A2. it really depends on if you have a receiver and a surround sound setup.

most big electronics stores that are selling it have the 5 free movie deal (from a set of 15 i think) + if you buy a matrix boxset you can get 2 more free movies (any movies).
 
[quote name='pop311']A am new to all this High Def. DVD stuff, and I just had a real quick question. As of right now, what would be the better player, a Blu-Ray player or the 360 HDDVD attachment. I was thinking of getting my Dad the HDDVD attachment player with "HDDVD Planet Earth" for Father's Day, but I just wanted your guy's opinions.[/quote] that really has to do w/ your home setup and your budget.

the 360 add on has good video output over component, some would argue even better than the PS3
http://www.gamescentral.com/blogs/tek_jansens_explosive_gaming_experience/archive/2006/12/26/ps3-blu-ray-vs-xbox-360-hd-dvd-vs-dvd.aspx

but the audio, although better than DVD isnt as good as toshibas stand alone players.

if it were me, i would just shell out the extra 100 for the toshiba HD-A2. it really depends on if you have a receiver and a surround sound setup.

most big electronics stores that are selling it have the 5 free movie deal (from a set of 15 i think) + if you buy a matrix boxset (at the same time as the player) you can get 2 more free movies (any movies).
 
I just laughed when Walmart decided that Blu-Ray wasn't goood enough, and statrted to promote HD-DVD. Add on to that the fact that the Porn industry is supporting HD-DVD...well, Blu-Ray might not be dead yet, but it's not looking good...

Technically Blu-Ray is the superior format (even if only very slightly), but so was Betamax back in the day...and VHS won out over that...
 
[quote name='Frazzle.D']I just laughed when Walmart decided that Blu-Ray wasn't goood enough, and statrted to promote HD-DVD. Add on to that the fact that the Porn industry is supporting HD-DVD...well, Blu-Ray might not be dead yet, but it's not looking good...

Technically Blu-Ray is the superior format (even if only very slightly), but so was Betamax back in the day...and VHS won out over that...[/QUOTE]

Wal-Mart's big push is a $199 player by Xmas, trouble with that is that at this rate the HD-A2 is already likely to hit that price point in that same window at this rate (which was predicted by a few industry analysts as well). This move by WM while interesting at first, is really nothing that special and should the A2 be the same price then WM will def. have to lower prices more which they'd need to do to have any kind of effect. For what you're implying to be be true, Wal-Mart would need to stop selling BD movies altogether, which I have yet to see any of those plans in the works. The only reason why WM would consider that is because it's not profitable. They are the retail that would turn away starving orphans unless they could make a buck from them. And while BD hardware may not be all to cost effective for the stores, there's still lots of money to be had in software sales (even more as production costs fall moving into the future).

Secondly, as it's been discussed numerous times so I'm not going over it again, but porn is not really a factor here. This isn't the VHS/Betamax days, the true outcome is not going to hinge on the porn industry at all (even if it did BD releases are still reportedly happening with the larger adult studios).
 
supposedly WM does have wiggle room on the price of the players. the deal they were working on w/ was 100 mil for 2 mil players to be run down the line, but apparantly WM moved to another manufacturer from CGWC. but if we take the leaked deal's price as any indicator they could be playing sub $100 for the players by the time they arrive in the stores. so even $150 isnt that far from reality.

when you think about it, this format war is really dropping prices fast.
the year after DVD players debuted they only dropped 20% in price.

HD DVD: $500-200 60% drop
Blu-ray: $1000-$400 60% drop
 
supposedly WM does have wiggle room on the price of the players. the deal they were working on w/ Fuh Yuan was 100 mil for 2 mil players to be run down the line, but apparantly WM moved to another manufacturer from CGWC. but if we take the leaked deal's price as any indicator they could be playing sub $100 for the players by the time they arrive in the stores. so even $150 isnt that far from reality.

when you think about it, this format war is really dropping prices fast.
the year after DVD players debuted they only dropped 20% in price.

HD DVD: $500-200 60% drop
Blu-ray: $1000-$400 60% drop

& i agree w/ Duo_Maxwell prn wont have an effect like it did w/ BM & VHS, (even though i dont think it had much of an effect back then). because of the internet. and because the major selling point VHS had over BM (even though BM had better quality) was that BM could only hold an hour; so movies had to come on 2 cassettes. making it more expensive to produce, distribute, shelve, and a hassle for consumers to get up in the middle of the movie and change tapes.
 
Also, BD is getting some nice anime if you're interested as well.
You'd have to import from Japan, but this time, USA and Japan share the same region code, so it's playable just fine in US players.

HD DVD I believe is getting some anime as well, but I'm not sure about the region coding (if anyone knows, let me know).

Notable though are a couple BD anime exclusives coming this month, or next month.

Akira
Ghost in the Shell

You can also buy Innocence (Ghost it S film) now from here:
http://www.hmv.co.jp/product/detail/1235107 (you can change the site settings to english)
And other JP BD movies from www.playasia.com
 
[quote name='anomynous']For the last time:


Porn is not a factor anymore, we have the internet now[/QUOTE]

You would be surprised how many people would still like to watch porn in HD on their TV.

Do you own a HD DVD player or Blu-Ray player yet?
 
[quote name='dallow']If you want porn, BD has Debbie Does Dallas.

You only need one porno flick to get what you need out of it right?[/QUOTE]

If you really want porno, then HD-DVD is the spot.

So far there's Debbie Does Dallas Again, Pirates, Island Fever 3 & 4, Jack's Teen America - Mission # 3, Camp Cuddly Pines: Powertool Massacre, Curse Eternal, not to mention the ones from Japan and the ones to come.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']If you really want porno, then HD-DVD is the spot.

So far there's Debbie Does Dallas Again, Pirates, Island Fever 3 & 4, Jack's Teen America - Mission # 3, Camp Cuddly Pines: Powertool Massacre, Curse Eternal, not to mention the ones from Japan and the ones to come.[/quote]

You know your porn.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']You would be surprised how many people would still like to watch porn in HD on their TV.

Do you own a HD DVD player or Blu-Ray player yet?[/QUOTE]
HD DVD player coming soon to an anomynous near you




I know people would like to watch HD porn, but is it as big of a factor as it was in the Beta vs VHS days? Not even close to it
 
[quote name='anomynous']For the last time:


Porn is not a factor anymore, we have the internet now[/quote]
Umm....it was joke. Calm done.

But c'mon....porn in HD?

There's no telling how many new parts of the vagina you will see.

Also, I bet a bunch of people will play $200 to watch porn in HD...
 
[quote name='Frazzle.D']Umm....it was joke. Calm done.

But c'mon....porn in HD?

There's no telling how many new parts of the vagina you will see.

Also, I bet a bunch of people will play $200 to watch porn in HD...[/QUOTE]
Im not mad, it's just I see that mentioned in every thread
 
[quote name='anomynous']Im not mad, it's just I see that mentioned in every thread[/QUOTE]

Yes, just like everything in this thread and every other BR/HD around. Get over it.
Now, how about you actually buy a HD DVD player or Blu-Ray player? That's even more sad then posting about Porn in HD. :D
 
I stole this from AVS but it is a comparison of exclusive titles on both formats.

HD DVD (46 Exclusive) - Blu-ray (25 Exclusive)
June 05, 2007

(none)
1. Bruce Springsteen with the Sessions Band: Live in Dublin (Sony BMG)
2. Hellboy (Sony)
3. The Messengers (Sony)
4. Rescue Me: The Complete Third Season (Sony)


June 12, 2007

1. Black Christmas (2006) (Weinstein)
2. Born on the Fourth of July (Universal)
3. Breach (Universal)
4. Bruce Almighty (Universal)
5. Daylight (Universal)
6. Harsh Times (Weinstein)
7. Liar Liar (Universal)
8. Monty Python's The Meaning of Life (Universal)
9. Sneakers (Universal)
5. Blood & Chocolate (Sony)
6. Cruel Intentions (Sony)
7. Daddy's Little Girls (Lionsgate)
8. Ghost Rider (Sony)
9. Primeval (Buena Vista)
10. Seven Years in Tibet (Sony)

June 19, 2007

(none)
11. Bridge to Terebithia (Buena Vista)

June 26, 2007

10. American Me (Universal)
11. Army of Darkness (Re-issue) (Universal)
12. Being John Malkovich (Universal)
13. The Big Lebowski (Universal)
14. Bulletproof (Universal)
15. Dead Silence (Universal)
16. Deep Purple: Live at Montreux 2006 (Rhino)
17. Freedom: Vol. 1 (Bandai Visual)
18. Mallrats (Universal)
19. Meet Joe Black (Universal)
20. Mystery Men (Universal)
21. Santana: Hymns for Peace - Live at Montreux 2004 (Rhino)
22. Unleashed (Re-issue) (Universal)
23. The Watcher (Universal)
24. Yes: Live at Montreux (Rhino)
(none)

July 03, 2007

(none)
12. Flatliners (Sony)
13. The Patriot (Extended Cut) (Sony)


July 10, 2007

25. Billy Madison (Universal)
26. Dante's Peak (Universal)
27. The War (Universal)
28. The Wedding Date (Universal)
(none)

July 17, 2007

(none)
14. Premonition (Sony)
15. Waiting... (Lionsgate)
16. Wild Things (Sony)

July 24, 2007

29. The Bourne Identity (Universal)
30. The Contract (First Look)
31. Hot Fuzz (Universal)
32. In Good Company (Universal)
33. The Nutty Professor 2: The Klumps (Universal)
34. Scent of a Woman (Universal)
35. Streets of Fire (Universal)
17. Weeds: Season Two (Lionsgate)

July 31, 2007

36. Darkman (Universal)
37. Sea of Love (Universal)
38. Shaun of the Dead (Universal)
18. IMAX: Roving Mars (Disney)

August 07, 2007

(none)
19. Are We Done Yet? (Sony)
20. Arlington Road (Sony)
21. Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (Sony)

August 14, 2007

39. Erin Brockovich (Universal)
40. Meet the Fockers (Universal)
41. Mercury Rising (Universal)
42. What Dreams May Come (Universal)
22. Doctor Strange (Lionsgate)
23. The Lookout (Disney)
24. Wild Hogs (Buena Vista)

August 21, 2007

(none)
25. National Lampoon's Van Wilder (Lionsgate)

August 28, 2007

43. Dawn of the Dead (2004) (Universal)
44. Heroes: Season One (Universal)
45. The Hurricane (2000) (Universal)
46. Notting Hill (Universal)
(none)
 
HD porn...you don't need to kill an ant with a shotgun.

like that one banner on empornium "high definition ass fucking!" just....no. :lol:
 
Things look grim in Blue.

I also heard that Starship Troopers, The Rock, and CARS! were given dates for October...... in Sweden.
Time to import!
Wait, what's their region?
 
[quote name='dallow']Things look grim in Blue.

I also heard that Starship Troopers, The Rock, and CARS! were given dates for October...... in Sweden.
Time to import!
Wait, what's their region?[/QUOTE]

IIRC, you can't play imported Blu-Rays...they DO have region codes. HD DVD does not (rejoice!).

I still believe we will see those 3 titles in American though in October.
 
[quote name='Apossum']HD porn...you don't need to kill an ant with a shotgun.

like that one banner on empornium "high definition ass fucking!" just....no. :lol:[/quote]

aaaa a fellow empornium member...

that banner rules
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']IIRC, you can't play imported Blu-Rays...they DO have region codes. HD DVD does not (rejoice!).

I still believe we will see those 3 titles in American though in October.[/quote]

That's right, only the Japanese discs play on US players.
Thank goodness, I'm more interested in the upcoming Akira and Ghost in the Shell releases.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']I stole this from AVS but it is a comparison of exclusive titles on both formats.

HD DVD (46 Exclusive) - Blu-ray (25 Exclusive)
June 05, 2007

(none)
1. Bruce Springsteen with the Sessions Band: Live in Dublin (Sony BMG)
2. Hellboy (Sony)
3. The Messengers (Sony)
4. Rescue Me: The Complete Third Season (Sony)


June 12, 2007

1. Black Christmas (2006) (Weinstein)
2. Born on the Fourth of July (Universal)
3. Breach (Universal)
4. Bruce Almighty (Universal)
5. Daylight (Universal)
6. Harsh Times (Weinstein)
7. Liar Liar (Universal)
8. Monty Python's The Meaning of Life (Universal)
9. Sneakers (Universal)
5. Blood & Chocolate (Sony)
6. Cruel Intentions (Sony)
7. Daddy's Little Girls (Lionsgate)
8. Ghost Rider (Sony)
9. Primeval (Buena Vista)
10. Seven Years in Tibet (Sony)

June 19, 2007

(none)
11. Bridge to Terebithia (Buena Vista)

June 26, 2007

10. American Me (Universal)
11. Army of Darkness (Re-issue) (Universal)
12. Being John Malkovich (Universal)
13. The Big Lebowski (Universal)
14. Bulletproof (Universal)
15. Dead Silence (Universal)
16. Deep Purple: Live at Montreux 2006 (Rhino)
17. Freedom: Vol. 1 (Bandai Visual)
18. Mallrats (Universal)
19. Meet Joe Black (Universal)
20. Mystery Men (Universal)
21. Santana: Hymns for Peace - Live at Montreux 2004 (Rhino)
22. Unleashed (Re-issue) (Universal)
23. The Watcher (Universal)
24. Yes: Live at Montreux (Rhino)
(none)

July 03, 2007

(none)
12. Flatliners (Sony)
13. The Patriot (Extended Cut) (Sony)


July 10, 2007

25. Billy Madison (Universal)
26. Dante's Peak (Universal)
27. The War (Universal)
28. The Wedding Date (Universal)
(none)

July 17, 2007

(none)
14. Premonition (Sony)
15. Waiting... (Lionsgate)
16. Wild Things (Sony)

July 24, 2007

29. The Bourne Identity (Universal)
30. The Contract (First Look)
31. Hot Fuzz (Universal)
32. In Good Company (Universal)
33. The Nutty Professor 2: The Klumps (Universal)
34. Scent of a Woman (Universal)
35. Streets of Fire (Universal)
17. Weeds: Season Two (Lionsgate)

July 31, 2007

36. Darkman (Universal)
37. Sea of Love (Universal)
38. Shaun of the Dead (Universal)
18. IMAX: Roving Mars (Disney)

August 07, 2007

(none)
19. Are We Done Yet? (Sony)
20. Arlington Road (Sony)
21. Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (Sony)

August 14, 2007

39. Erin Brockovich (Universal)
40. Meet the Fockers (Universal)
41. Mercury Rising (Universal)
42. What Dreams May Come (Universal)
22. Doctor Strange (Lionsgate)
23. The Lookout (Disney)
24. Wild Hogs (Buena Vista)

August 21, 2007

(none)
25. National Lampoon's Van Wilder (Lionsgate)

August 28, 2007

43. Dawn of the Dead (2004) (Universal)
44. Heroes: Season One (Universal)
45. The Hurricane (2000) (Universal)
46. Notting Hill (Universal)
(none)[/QUOTE]

I find the list disappointing on both ends actually. BD doesn't have enough releases and HD is releasing nothing but old movies I either don't care to own or already own on DVD. Looking over that list HD has maybe 7 actual new releases, in this regard it actually loses to BD. A ttime it seems like Universal is cranking out old releases just to have the most out without thinking on it too much (c'mon Notting Hill, the Wedding Date? That's just weak). Perhaps that's good strategy in the end though, but yeah, I'm disappointed overall as a new owner for both formats. Out of that whole list of 70+ movies I maybe buying all of 8 or 9.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']I find the list disappointing on both ends actually. BD doesn't have enough releases and HD is releasing nothing but old movies I either don't care to own or already own on DVD. Looking over that list HD has maybe 7 actual new releases, in this regard it actually loses to BD. A ttime it seems like Universal is cranking out old releases just to have the most out without thinking on it too much (c'mon Notting Hill, the Wedding Date? That's just weak). Perhaps that's good strategy in the end though, but yeah, I'm disappointed overall as a new owner for both formats. Out of that whole list of 70+ movies I maybe buying all of 8 or 9.[/quote]

I am still too upset that The Rock isn't coming out on Blu-ray to talk about it..
Ohh well, it doens't matter, 300 comes out July 31st for both formats which will be AWESOME.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']I find the list disappointing on both ends actually. BD doesn't have enough releases and HD is releasing nothing but old movies I either don't care to own or already own on DVD. Looking over that list HD has maybe 7 actual new releases, in this regard it actually loses to BD. A ttime it seems like Universal is cranking out old releases just to have the most out without thinking on it too much (c'mon Notting Hill, the Wedding Date? That's just weak). Perhaps that's good strategy in the end though, but yeah, I'm disappointed overall as a new owner for both formats. Out of that whole list of 70+ movies I maybe buying all of 8 or 9.[/QUOTE]

I'm glad they are doing that.

I've been replacing my DVD collection with HD-DVDs when they come out.
 
[quote name='anarchyburger']so whats the lastest update? which format is winning?[/QUOTE]

In terms of disc sales, Blu-Ray. In terms of Hardware sales, Blu-Ray if you count PS3. Recently HD-A2 has sold 10 times the amount in the past few weeks and is #1 on Amazon in all of Electronics.

Really, both formats are failing.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']In terms of disc sales, Blu-Ray. In terms of Hardware sales, Blu-Ray if you count PS3. Recently HD-A2 has sold 10 times the amount in the past few weeks and is #1 on Amazon in all of Electronics.

Really, both formats are failing.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't go as far as saying they are failing.

In reality, "the war" hasn't even started yet. Right now there are only a very small number of people invested into it.
 
New Sony Blu-Ray Player to launch 'soon' at $499, not $599

TVPredictions.com first reported the price cut on Friday.

By Phillip Swann

Washington, D.C. (June 4, 2007) -- Sony today confirmed that it will launch a second generation Blu-ray this month for $499.

TVPredictions.com on Friday reported that at least one electronics chain in the Washington, D.C. area had been notified that the player (Model: BDP-S300) will be priced at $499.

Until then, Sony was expected to sell the new player for $599. In fact, the company's web site, SonyStyle.com, was still listing the BDP-S300 at $599 yesterday.

But Chris Fawcett, vice president of Sony Electronics' home products division, told the Associated Press today that the player will cost just $499.

He attributed the lower price to falling production costs and an increased demand for Blu-ray products.

Fawcett said the new player will ship this week, meaning it should be available in stores in the next 7-10 days.

The lower price is not too surprising considering that Toshiba recently introduced a $399 HD DVD player with hints that it will be reduced even further this summer. (In fact, Toshiba is now offering a Father's Day promotion selling the HD-A2 HD DVD player for $299.)

Consequently, Blu-ray manufacturers are under great pressure to drop player prices faster than previously scheduled; Sony is the chief supporter of the Blu-ray format.

Sony President Stan Glasgow said in February that his company would cut Blu-ray player prices by 50 percent by year's end. (Sony's first generation Blu-ray high-def player, BDP-S1, now carries a suggested retail price of $999, although it's now priced at $799 at most stores.) Glasgow added at that time that the company would launch a $599 player in mid-summer.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/sonyconfirms060407.htm

....
Personally, I would STILL get a PS3 at this point as the latest firmware update REALLY makes it shine (up converting is nice apparently). This player can STILL be crippled after October 31st...so I would personally pass. I would suspect a $200 Toshiba HD DVD player and a $400 Sony player by Christmas.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']I stole this from AVS but it is a comparison of exclusive titles on both formats.

HD DVD (46 Exclusive) - Blu-ray (25 Exclusive)
June 05, 2007

[/quote]

They only thing this list confirms is that Universal has to much time on there hands to make movies.

Seems like they are releasing every movie they've ever made...

Do we really need a "Universal" format? It should just be renamed that. Universal Studious DVD!
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']
They only thing this list confirms is that Universal has to much time on there hands to make movies.

Seems like they are releasing every movie they've ever made...

Do we really need a "Universal" format? It should just be renamed that. Universal Studious DVD!
[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

You realize Universal has been around for almost 100 years, right?

Atleast they are releasing movies, unlike Fox who pretty much dropped support for Blu-Ray by delaying/canceling all of their titles they made a huge shit about at CES, Disney who delayed their big movies (Cars, hello?), Sony who delayed their own titles, and Warner who won't wait any longer for them to get BD-J up to speed like it should have been 9 months ago and released The Matrix on HD DVD 6 months late because of it and are now offering exclusive stuff on HD DVD disc. Yeah, how dare Universal actually release movies :roll:
 
Universal can release as many moives as they want. I just think its stupid that they seem to be the minority by supporting HD-DVD, and are prolonging the war.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Universal can release as many moives as they want. I just think its stupid that they seem to be the minority by supporting HD-DVD, and are prolonging the war.[/QUOTE]

Prolonging it how? Because you still think Blu-Ray should be the standard?

Obviously that has not happened yet, and may infact never will. Look at A2 sales. Every A2 sold just means more disc sales. Every week that goes by without studio support you may see some true Blu guys getting an A2 player (as many are right now on AVS). HD DVD is in it for long run, just like Blu-Ray. Its just one format is releasing movies right now, and the other is sitting on its hands and making PR statements that 2 Blu-Ray exclusive movies that are $25 outsold a Timed HD DVD Exclusive that is only $60+ more :roll:

I can't wait to see what, if any, PR statements they make in the next 3 months over the poor release of movies. A $500 Blu-Ray player? Great. HD DVD is $300 with 5 free movies.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Prolonging it how? Because you still think Blu-Ray should be the standard?[/QUOTE]

Well, seeing as how they do have the majority of the support, the most hardware and software, yea, that would make the most sense to me. It's just easier than the other way around. To be honest, I would prefer HD-DVD winning over a dual format gen, but Universal switching to BD seems like the easiest and fastest way to end this stupid war.

[quote name='GizmoGC']Obviously that has not happened yet, and may infact never will. Look at A2 sales. Every A2 sold just means more disc sales. Every week that goes by without studio support you may see some true Blu guys getting an A2 player (as many are right now on AVS). HD DVD is in it for long run, just like Blu-Ray. Its just one format is releasing movies right now, and the other is sitting on its hands and making PR statements that 2 Blu-Ray exclusive movies that are $25 outsold a Timed HD DVD Exclusive that is only $60+ more :roll:[/QUOTE]

That's exactly what I am talking about. Take Universal and add it to Blu-ray, and there isn't much of a war. This war just angers me, and the longer it is dragged on, the more I think we will just be stuck with two formats that could easily be consolidated as one.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Yes, just like everything in this thread and every other BR/HD around. Get over it.
Now, how about you actually buy a HD DVD player or Blu-Ray player? That's even more sad then posting about Porn in HD. :D[/QUOTE]
It's coming............I'm gonna get one for my birthday in September

I already know what movies Im gonna buy:
300
Lucky Number Slevin
Hot Fuzz
Sean of the Dead
Fast & Furious: TD
Clerks 2
40 Year Old Virgin
The Warriors
Dog Day Afternoon

and the Heroes Season 1 boxset
 
If HD/BR players hit that $200 or less by christmas, and the fact that a large majority of the summer blockbusters are BR, doesn't this favor BR? I have often said the movies are whats going to move hardware. I think if the prices become reasonable for both players, BR still has the advantage with titles. I'm willing to bet that Pirates 3 and Spiderman 3 alone will sway people to BR, if there's only a $100 difference between players. Just my opinion.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Well, seeing as how they do have the majority of the support, the most hardware and software, yea, that would make the most sense to me. It's just easier than the other way around. To be honest, I would prefer HD-DVD winning over a dual format gen, but Universal switching to BD seems like the easiest and fastest way to end this stupid war.



That's exactly what I am talking about. Take Universal and add it to Blu-ray, and there isn't much of a war. This war just angers me, and the longer it is dragged on, the more I think we will just be stuck with two formats that could easily be consolidated as one.[/QUOTE]

Why?

This "war" is the reason player prices are plummeting at an unheard of rate and why the studios (well a few studios) are trying their damnest to get as many titles out as possible. This "war" is a plus for consumers not a negative.

What's wrong with both formats living? At the rate we are moving at, in two/three years, duel-format players should be the standard anyways.

[quote name='millrat1030']If HD/BR players hit that $200 or less by christmas, and the fact that a large majority of the summer blockbusters are BR, doesn't this favor BR? I have often said the movies are whats going to move hardware. I think if the prices become reasonable for both players, BR still has the advantage with titles. I'm willing to bet that Pirates 3 and Spiderman 3 alone will sway people to BR, if there's only a $100 difference between players. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

There is zero chance Blu-Ray players will hit 200 by Christmas.
 
[quote name='millrat1030']If HD/BR players hit that $200 or less by christmas, and the fact that a large majority of the summer blockbusters are BR, doesn't this favor BR? I have often said the movies are whats going to move hardware. I think if the prices become reasonable for both players, BR still has the advantage with titles. I'm willing to bet that Pirates 3 and Spiderman 3 alone will sway people to BR, if there's only a $100 difference between players. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Wait, what 'Blockbusters'? You mean Spider-Man 3 which may have made money at the box office, but sucked ass? You mean Pirates of the Caribbean 3? Ghost Rider? Obviously the first two Pirates did sway enough people to buy BR because if it did, it would move more then 23K each (since BR has an installed base of about 3-4 Million is a very very small %). Hell if you want to go by %'s, The Matrix sold 5-6 tmes better then Blu-Ray in comparison to actual players in homes. But Blu-Ray fanboy's won't take that into account because they sold more copies! Who cares if attach rates are .33% of 1 movie while HD DVD is currently holding a nice 5 to 1 ratio (and growing thanks to the 10x increase in the past 2 weeks from the $100 off promotion).

This war is getting GOOD!
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Why?

This "war" is the reason player prices are plummeting at an unheard of rate and why the studios (well a few studios) are trying their damnest to get as many titles out as possible. This "war" is a plus for consumers not a negative.

What's wrong with both formats living? At the rate we are moving at, in two/three years, duel-format players should be the standard anyways.



There is zero chance Blu-Ray players will hit 200 by Christmas.[/QUOTE]

Well no NEW model Blu-Ray players will be. I reckon there will be plenty of people willing to sell their crippled 'thanks to the BDA 'player for a new model that will actually play movies. If you want Blu-Ray, get a PS3. Its safe.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Well no NEW model Blu-Ray players will be. I reckon there will be plenty of people willing to sell their crippled 'thanks to the BDA 'player for a new model that will actually play movies. If you want Blu-Ray, get a PS3. Its safe.[/QUOTE]

You are a bad as they are.

Please stop posting in the name of HD-DVD
 
[quote name='Sporadic']You are a bad as they are.

Please stop posting in the name of HD-DVD[/QUOTE]

How about I post in the name of Blue-Ray? Or Blur-ay? :cool:
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']How about I post in the name of Blue-Ray? Or Blur-ay? :cool:[/QUOTE]

lol i get it, i posted hd-dvd when there's no hyphen rofl

How about you just stop altogether? You do nothing but piss off the Blu-Ray fanatics and make HD-DVD fans look like :drool: retards.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']lol i get it, i posted hd-dvd when there's no hyphen rofl

How about you just stop altogether? You do nothing but piss off the Blu-Ray fanatics and make HD-DVD fans look like :drool: retards.[/QUOTE]

I'll pass, thanks though. I really have not see you contribute much. Do you actually own either or both formats?
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Wait, what 'Blockbusters'? You mean Spider-Man 3 which may have made money at the box office, but sucked ass? You mean Pirates of the Caribbean 3? Ghost Rider? Obviously the first two Pirates did sway enough people to buy BR because if it did, it would move more then 23K each (since BR has an installed base of about 3-4 Million is a very very small %). Hell if you want to go by %'s, The Matrix sold 5-6 tmes better then Blu-Ray in comparison to actual players in homes. But Blu-Ray fanboy's won't take that into account because they sold more copies! Who cares if attach rates are .33% of 1 movie while HD DVD is currently holding a nice 5 to 1 ratio (and growing thanks to the 10x increase in the past 2 weeks from the $100 off promotion).

This war is getting GOOD![/QUOTE]

And, of course, sell-through % matters more to movie studios than the actual numbers of movies sold. :lol:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']And, of course, sell-through % matters more to movie studios than the actual numbers of movies sold. :lol:[/QUOTE]

If that was true Fox would actually be releasing movies. For some reason they canceled all of them. Now with the HD-A2 getting in more peoples homes, that actually will mean more software sales.
 
i wish i could say this war is getting GOOD but it wont get good until hd gets more fucking companies on board.

It is very difficult to convince average joe's that hd is better right now with its slim pickings... it seems most ppl's plan is just to "eventually" get a ps3... Most of these peoples minds are already convinced.

I like what they are doing with the prices on the players... but they need some positive press and marketing to get them back on top..It seems lately all the news has been negative with the exception of toshiba doing good with the players.

1. Get more studios
2. fuckING market ( i was suprised to see a matrix hd dvd commercial)
3. Kill Combo disks
 
[quote name='guyver2077']i wish i could say this war is getting GOOD but it wont get good until hd gets more fucking companies on board.

It is very difficult to convince average joe's that hd is better right now with its slim pickings... it seems most ppl's plan is just to "eventually" get a ps3... Most of these peoples minds are already convinced.

I like what they are doing with the prices on the players... but they need some positive press and marketing to get them back on top..It seems lately all the news has been negative with the exception of toshiba doing good with the players.

1. Get more studios
2. fuckING market ( i was suprised to see a matrix hd dvd commercial)
3. Kill Combo disks[/QUOTE]

Ive seen the HD DVD commercial 4 times today. Ive heard radio announcements. Its in all the weekly ads. They are doing their part. Players are selling. Studio support all depends on sales. Combo discs are all but dead at this point.
 
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