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[quote name='Sporadic']the attach rate for Blu-Ray wouldn't be an abysmal .07 while HD-DVD is at 4[/QUOTE]

Hmm. This number is suspicious to me. Let's do some basic math, shall we? If the attach rate for Blu-Ray is .07, then there are 14.2 blu-ray players out there in the wild for every single disc sold/given away in a promo.

Go back to April of this year, (remember that time, when Blu-Ray discs were already outselling HD DVD movies at a 2-to-1 ratio, but before Blu-Ray standalones were outselling HD DVD standalones, which they have been for the past 3 months?). Around April 23rd, the BDA announced that they had sold 1 million blu-ray movies; they were the first to do so, and had done so in under a year.

So, even if we take a remarkably conservative estimate of 1 million blu-ray movies sold, and assume that not a single disc has been sold or given away since then (an assumption we all believe is ludicrous), then extrapolating your alleged attach rate, there are 14.2 million Blu-Ray players that have been sold. Since 95% of all BR players are PS3s, then, that would mean the PS3 has sold just a shade under 14 million units since launch, besting both the Xbox 360 and Nintendo Wii.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Not bloody likely.

As for the 4 movie attach rate for the 360 add-on, if we assume a liberal estimate of 1 million HD DVD movies sold through (which they had not achieved as of late April, but *maybe* did since then - even if, in the absence of a press release touting such a milestone, it may be a safe assumption to think that they have not reached this just yet), then that accounts for 250,000 HD DVD units out there in the wild. Since we have reliable information that there are (as of a month or so ago) at least 300,000 HD DVD players out there, the attach rate is not 4, but rather, closer to 3.33; if you're going to deal with tenths in terms of the PS3's attach rate, then you can jolly well do so with HD DVD as well - moreso when you're rounding up to 4 when the criteria (.5 or higher) are far from being met. :lol:

Last but not least, attach rate is a red herring, and if it was so bloody important, the Paramount would have made mention of that in their propaganda press release explaining why they made the switch to HD DVD exclusively. Instead, they made claims of ease of production and some other such nonsense (conveniently forgetting the giant sums of cash in their pockets). At no point in time did they utter the phrase "attach rate."

[quote name='Sporadic']And why do people buy the add-on?

Is it so they can play the latest/greatest game? As a status symbol? As a futureproofing idea to justify the price for when they finally get an HDTV?

No.

They buy it specifically to play movies. The same thing can't be said for the PS3 and the attach rate prove it. You can argue all you want but the proof is in the pudding.[/QUOTE]

...and who are the people who own the add-on? I'll make this one multiple choice for ease of use.

(A)

(B)

(C)

(D)
 
[quote name='dpatel']But they buy it in addition to their 360s, which, I assume, will be used for games. This makes them gamers AND movie watchers.[/QUOTE]

Exactly AND

Not and/or. People buy the add-on to play movies, 40% of PS3 owners don't even know they have a Blu-Ray player.

The quote isn't even close to outrageous or stupid when you look at the facts/attach rate.

If gamers did buy HD movies, the Blu-Ray's attachment rate wouldn't be .7 while HD-DVD is at 4. If gamers did buy HD movies like Sony planned, the Blu-Ray would have a insanely massive lead on HD-DVD

- edit [quote name='mykevermin']blah blah blah *stupid table breaking photos*[/QUOTE]

Ok, here's the latest numbers I have found.

1.3 disks per blu-ray unit including PS3, 4.7 disks per HD-DVD unit

That still isn't a number to brag about and it definitely isn't a number you can use to defend the fact that PS3 owners (AKA gamers) are destroying BR's attach rate.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Exactly AND

Not and/or. People buy the add-on to play movies, 40% of PS3 owners don't even know they have a Blu-Ray player.

The quote isn't even close to outrageous or stupid when you look at the facts/attach rate.

If gamers did buy HD movies, the Blu-Ray's attachment rate wouldn't be .7 while HD-DVD is at 4. If gamers did buy HD movies like Sony planned, the Blu-Ray would have a insanely massive lead on HD-DVD[/QUOTE]

I'm confused, are you agreeing with me? I just pointed out gamers DO buy movies, which you seemed to have agreed with.
 
[quote name='dpatel']I'm confused, are you agreeing with me? I just pointed out gamers DO buy movies, which you seemed to have agreed with.[/QUOTE]

No, how is it hard to realize that gamers AND movie/HD buffs DO buy next-gen movies (AKA everybody who has bought a(n) HD-DVD player/add-on and a percentage of PS3 owners) while straight up GAMERS DON'T buy next-gen movies (AKA a giant number of PS3 owners)

How do you not understand that? How do you take a simple quote and try to spin it out of control as if DVD Forum came out and said "fuck ALL 360 HD-DVD OWNERS! YOU ALL ARE COMPLETELY WORTHLESS"

It really isn't hard to understand, looking at attach rates, gamers (as in people who bought a PS3 to play whatever's popular) don't buy movies or at least enough to make a difference.
 
[quote name='dpatel']But, apparently, gamers can't be Movie buffs as well. It's just not possible.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's exactly what I was saying :roll:

If you can't even keep up with the argument or even fucking understand it, please don't try to join in.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']How do you not understand that? How do you take a simple quote and try to spin it out of control as if DVD Forum came out and said "fuck ALL 360 HD-DVD OWNERS! YOU ALL ARE NOTHING"[/QUOTE]

I suppose it's spun the same way you all seem to deny that PS3 owners use Blu-Ray for games AND movies as well. SOME Xbox 360 owners (who, we should assume are "gamers"), and SOME PS3 owners (also "gamers" until proven otherwise, despite your snide suggestion that they're mindless drones buying into the next big hype machine - a mere week and a half before the release of a game whose degree of overhype makes Bioshock look like it was universally panned) buy movies.

So, if you agree that SOME gamers buy movies, then any and all "gamers do/don't buy movies" as well as "attach rate huzzah!" arguments are moot and invalid (much like your claim that there are 14.2 million PS3 consoles sold, given an attach rate of .07).
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I suppose it's spun the same way you all seem to deny that PS3 owners use Blu-Ray for games AND movies as well. [/QUOTE]

[quote name='Sporadic']No, how is it hard to realize that gamers AND movie/HD buffs DO buy next-gen movies (AKA everybody who has bought a(n) HD-DVD player/add-on and a percentage of PS3 owners) while straight up GAMERS DON'T buy next-gen movies (AKA a giant number of PS3 owners)

How do you not understand that? How do you take a simple quote and try to spin it out of control as if DVD Forum came out and said "fuck ALL 360 HD-DVD OWNERS! YOU ALL ARE COMPLETELY WORTHLESS"

It really isn't hard to understand, looking at attach rates, gamers (as in people who bought a PS3 to play whatever's popular) don't buy movies or at least enough to make a difference.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='mykevermin'](much like your claim that there are 14.2 million PS3 consoles sold, given an attach rate of .07).[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Sporadic']- edit

Ok, here's the latest numbers I have found.

1.3 disks per blu-ray unit including PS3, 4.7 disks per HD-DVD unit

That still isn't a number to brag about and it definitely isn't a number you can use to defend the fact that PS3 owners (AKA gamers) are destroying BR's attach rate.[/QUOTE]

:drool:

Sorry I'm not an infallible fact source and that sometimes my data is out of date. I edit and fix accordingly.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Yes, that's exactly what I was saying :roll:

If you can't even keep up with the argument or even fucking understand it, please don't try to join in.[/QUOTE]

I am keeping up with it just fine. I just don't understand how you can agree that Gamers are buying movies, yet gamers don't buy movies. Very conflicting. Gamers don't stop being gamers once they purchase a movie.
 
Sporadic,
Didn't you know that 51GB HD DVD discs is a publicity stunt?
http://www.tech.co.uk/home-entertai...nds-to-51gb-hd-dvd-claims?articleid=722237102

The Blu-ray Disc Association has responded to claims that the HD DVD Promotional Group is to release triple-layer 51GB HD DVD discs. Frank Simonis, chairman of the BDA, told Tech.co.uk that he is not surprised by the announcement and that the HD DVD Group is reacting to the market instead of leading it.

Simonis indicated a belief that the HD DVD Group's BD-trumping 51GB disc announcement is purely a publicity stunt.

Publicity stunt?
"I'm not surprised at all," he told us. "But we believe they are very much in a reactive mood. Based on their format one would expect that a triple layer disc is three times a HD DVD single layer adding up to 45 GB. Now suddenly they change it to 51GB for promotional reasons.

Advertisement "Secondly I have not heard anything about a production line for this odd format. When are they going to start making these discs?"

Simonis also said that the BDA is dubious as to whether existing HD DVD players will be able to read these new 3-layer discs which have 2GB per layer more than the original format.

"You better ask them," he said, "I question it, however, very much."

Tech.co.uk asked Simonis whether the 51GB HD DVD disc proposal is a threat to the Blu-ray format which has a maximum dual-layer capacity of 50GB.

"BD 50GB production is running already for some time on high volume with a two layer concept. There are currently lots of companies producing BD products compatible with 50GB capacity. No news yet from the HD DVD production lines."

The HD DVD Promotional Group, however, assures us that this disc is legit. And unofficial whispers coming out of the HD DVD camp suggest that existing HD DVD players will be able to use the new discs - possibly after a firmware upgrade. More news when we get it.
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The smurfs are up in arms right now. Apparently, their 50GB disc was an amazing thing, and people bought up copies of 'Click!' on Blu-ray just because it was the first 50GB discs. It was what made Blu-ray 'superior' to HD DVD. Now the 51GB disc on HD DVD is nothing :lol:
 
[quote name='dpatel']I am keeping up with it just fine. I just don't understand how you can agree that Gamers are buying movies, yet gamers don't buy movies. Very conflicting. Gamers don't stop being gamers once they purchase a movie.[/QUOTE]

Hold on, you're right.

Gamers do buy HD movies, that's why the 360 add-on is selling 1:1 with the 360 and why BR's attach rate is fantastic and on par with HD-DVDs.

No wait a second, the 360 add-on is only around .03% and the BR attach rate with movies is in the toilet.

[quote name='Sporadic']It really isn't hard to understand, looking at attach rates, gamers (as in people who bought a PS3 to play whatever's popular) don't buy movies or at least enough to make a difference.[/QUOTE]

-edit [quote name='GizmoGC']Sporadic,
Didn't you know that 51GB HD DVD discs is a publicity stunt?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I posted that a few pages back. It was almost immediately brushed off and started this own argument since H compared that to "gamers don't buy movies"
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Hold on, you're right.

Gamers do buy HD movies, that's why the 360 add-on is selling 1:1 with the 360 and why BR's attach rate is fantastic and on par with HD-DVDs.

No wait a second, the 360 add-on is only around .03 and the BR attach rate with movies is in the toilet.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying ALL gamers buy movies, I'm just disagreeing with the statement that no gamers buy movies. You have pretty much agreed that there are some gamers who do buy gamers, which is all I was getting at.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']:drool:

Sorry I'm not an infallible fact source and that sometimes my data is out of date. I edit and fix accordingly.[/QUOTE]

Revisions aside (danke), the attach rate argument is much ado about nothing, when seen through a lens that shows there are more than 10X as many Blu-Ray players out there, and that BR movies are outselling HD DVD, with consistent weekly marketshare of 66% to HD's 33% (and that's in the best region for HD!).

Let's do a little more math, premised on consumer knowledge, which may be hurting the "attach rate" (not that it suddenly matters to me, but I like toying with numbers, and Mark Henry's wrestling right now, so I need something else to do ;)). There was some oft-cited focus group research that found only 40% of PS3 owners knew that the PS3 could play Blu-Ray movies. Since we would expect only people who KNOW that it can play Blu-Ray to buy BR movies (as we assume that they likewise don't buy Wii discs to play on their PS3, since they don't think they'll work on the PS3 either), then the attach rate of BR discs, currently at 1.7 (far more believable) should be revised to account for attach rate among people who KNOW the PS3 can play BR.

So, let's start with 4 million PS3s out there; with that in mind, that means 6.8 million BR discs have been sold, given a 1.7 per attach rate (on second thought, that attach rates seems WAY high, but let's keep going anyway). If only 40% know about BR playback, then that's only 1.6 million PS3s with owners who know what the hell they're doing as far as BR is concerned.

So, 6.8m movies amongst 1.6m players (hell, let's make it an even 2m, just to count the 400k or so BR stand-alone owners, who we surely HOPE know they play BR movies!)...so, 6.8m among 2m players of knowledgeable persuasion, that's an attach rate of 3.4, roughly equal to that of the HD DVD types you've been exalting for the past hour or so. ;) Who knows what it would be if those other 60% of people knew about BR?
 
[quote name='dpatel']I'm not saying ALL gamers buy movies, I'm just disagreeing with the statement that no gamers buy movies. You have pretty much agreed that there are some gamers who do buy gamers, which is all I was getting at.[/QUOTE]

I don't believe the quote was "NO gamers buy movies" or "ALL gamers don't buy movies", it was "gamers don't buy movies" which according to the attach rate (again that is a really big deal) is true.
 
[quote name='mykevermin'] Who knows what it would be if those other 60% of people knew about BR?[/QUOTE]

Exactly, I agree.

That's the whole thing I'm arguing. HD-DVDs attach rate is high due to it being bought completely by movie people, Blu-Ray's attach rate is really low (or at least low compared to the competition) due to gamers buying the PS3 just to play whatever (I don't follow the PS3) which deludes your attach rate thanks to people who will never use that feature therefore won't buy a movie.

See, pretty simple and it makes "gamers don't buy movies" a valid/fair comment unlike BDA's horrible spin to the TL51 news which only proved the guy is a stupid (how could they ever add 2GBs to each layer) hypocritical jackass (there is no way that this odd disc will ever work on current players (please ignore the giant elephant in our room))
 
...what I don't get is how you can buy into that flagrant bit of spin about gamers not buying movies, considering the sales number of BR discs relative to HD discs, let along considering yourself as both a gamer and movie buyer.

...why is attach rate a big deal (aside from it being the lone statistic you can cite that looks favorable to you guys)?

[quote name='Sporadic']Exactly, I agree.

That's the whole thing I'm arguing. HD-DVDs attach rate is high due to it being bought completely by movie people, Blu-Ray's attach rate is really low due to gamers buying the PS3 just to play whatever (I don't follow the PS3) which deludes your attach rate thanks to people who will never use that feature therefore won't buy a movie.[/quote]

But attach rate means fuck-all. If the three people who bought a Jaguar bought 10 games each, it would surely have the highest attach rate of any game system ever, but only have sold 30 fucking carts. :lol:

If I'm putting out movies, and I hear "boy howdy the attach rate sure is high!" versus "you'll sell 200% the number of copies you'd sell on HD," then my business sense sees this as a simple and uncomplicated equation as to which one to side with (backdoor exchanging of monies and favors notwithstanding). Again, if attach rate is so important, why didn't Paramount mention it?

See, pretty simple and it makes "gamers don't buy movies" a valid/fair comment.
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No. It doesn't. It's absurd on its face. If I told you that "gamers don't buy DVDs," how would you react to that?
 
[quote name='Sporadic']I don't believe the quote was "NO gamers buy movies" or "ALL gamers don't buy movies", it was "gamers don't buy movies" which according to the attach rate (again that is a really big deal) is true.[/QUOTE]

If it were true, gamers wouldn't buy movies, but, we have already both come to the conclusion that they do, just not all of them do.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']...what I don't get is how you can buy into that flagrant bit of spin about gamers not buying movies, considering the sales number of BR discs relative to HD discs, let along considering yourself as both a gamer and movie buyer.
[/QUOTE]

To be honest, I'm not that big of a gamer anymore. HD-DVD is eating up most of my spare money and I only own 3 360 games (hell I would sell it and get a standalone if they had one that would support VGA)

[quote name='mykevermin']
But attach rate means fuck-all. If the three people who bought a Jaguar bought 10 games each, it would surely have the highest attach rate of any game system ever, but only have sold 30 fucking carts. :lol:[/QUOTE]

You can't write off attach rate like that.

Using the same logic, who cares about player sales when the attach rate is so low. (pulling numbers/names out my ass so I don't have to deal with a giant algebra riddled response) There could be 30 million Dreamcast in homes all across America but if they only sell 1 game per player, why would anybody release on it exclusively when you could release on N64 who has 10 million players but a 7 game attach rate per console.

[quote name='mykevermin']If I'm putting out movies, and I hear "boy howdy the attach rate sure is high!" versus "you'll sell 200% the number of copies you'd sell on HD," then my business sense sees this as a simple and uncomplicated equation as to which one to side with (backdoor exchanging of monies and favors notwithstanding). Again, if attach rate is so important, why didn't Paramount mention it?[/QUOTE]

I never brought this up as a selling point for HD-DVD, only to dispute that mockery of that quote.

[quote name='mykevermin']No. It doesn't. It's absurd on its face. If I told you that "gamers don't buy DVDs," how would you react to that?[/QUOTE]

I'd laugh but then again we aren't talking about anything that insane.

We are talking about a head of a studio talking about HD movies in an interview, so we should just be able to assume that he is talking about movies on a HD format not just movies in general.

And according to attach rate, he would be in the right with that statement.

If he came out tomorrow and said "gamers won't buy any movies on any format (HD/Blu/DVD/digital downloads) and they are a complete waste of our resources" I would be right on board with you ridiculing him.

Honestly, I don't know how else to explain it and unless somebody can come up with a decent argument to dispute me, I'm done going around in circles.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']We thank you for your support. What BR movies have you bought recently, o-ye-of-little-willpower?[/QUOTE]

None. There hasn't been anything since Weeds Season 2. Dawn, Day, Halloween, and Evil Dead II REALLY soon though.

What about you? How is your collection of 6 movies?
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']What about you? How is your collection of 6 movies?[/QUOTE]

Non-existant, just like yours and mine. We are gamers, we don't buy movies.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Using the same logic, who cares about player sales when the attach rate is so low. (pulling numbers/names out my ass so I don't have to deal with a giant algebra riddled response) There could be 30 million Dreamcast in homes all across America but if they only sell 1 game per player, why would anybody release on it exclusively when you could release on N64 who has 10 million players but a 7 game attach rate per console.[/QUOTE]

Exactly why attach rate doesn't matter, and total sales do.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Non-existant, just like yours and mine. We are gamers, we don't buy movies.[/QUOTE]

I'm far from a gamer. The last game I bought was Blue Dragon and before that...well, I can't remember. I'm much more of a movie buff then a gamer. Hence why I have a Blu-ray player called a PS3.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']I'm far from a gamer. The last game I bought was Blue Dragon and before that...well, I can't remember. I'm much more of a movie buff then a gamer. Hence why I have a Blu-ray player called a PS3.[/QUOTE]

I didn't really ask to what degree you were a gamer, although, for someone who doesn't game much, you sure do complain a lot about the lack of games. Besides, you are not representative of all gamers out there.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Exactly why attach rate doesn't matter, and total sales do.[/QUOTE]

You have got to be fucking shitting me.

How did you come up with that from that post?

I almost think you guys are fakeposting and trying to give me a heart attack.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']You have got to be fucking shitting me.

How did you come up with that from that post?

I almost think you guys are fakeposting and trying to give me a brain aneurysm.[/QUOTE]

They will banter back and fourth saying movie ratios to players and lower prices players means nothing, yet Paramount/Dreamworks didn't. :cool:

Transformers on a 51GB disc...I'm sensing it.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Honestly, I don't know how else to explain it and unless somebody can come up with a decent argument to dispute me, I'm done going around in circles.[/QUOTE]

:lol: Fair enough.

Attach rate can be meaningful, but even you must admit it takes a backseat to sell-through numbers, where BR is crushing HD. If I can produce a political analogy, it's akin to arguing that the people who continue to support President Bush support him VERY strongly (just as attach rate is an indicator of strong support). Nevermind that 7 out of 10 people have disfavored the president for years now (comparable to 6.7 out of every 10 hi-def disc sales being BR). It's a secondary measure that, while it may serve some purpose, is absolutely laughable in the full context in which it appears. If HD DVD was outselling BR discs like a mofo AND had a high attach rate, then it would be far more meaningful.

Ultimately, I think that the "we don't think gamers will buy movies" comment is poorly thought out, and an unproven slam on the PS3, since it is the dominant BR player. There are ample explanations as to why people aren't jumping on BR or HD at this point, and "I'm a gamer and I don't want BR movies" isn't on the list. We have all seen evidence that plenty of people are staying the hell away from hidef movies as a direct result of the format war - the "cold feet" explanation. Of course, it would be foolish for someone in the HDG (or BDA, for that matter) to make such a claim.

Another explanation is customer knowledge (as evidenced by the % of PS3 owners who know it can play BR). The move to hidef isn't easy - sorting out component/hdmi/vga, 720/1080i and p, dolby digital versus lossless...a consumer needs to invest a great deal of knowledge before making the jump - and, in the absence of that knowledge being made easy/accessible, they just won't. That's why Best Buy and other retailers are selling themselves as retailers that can assist you with moving into hidef - because that knowledge, on its own, is not possessed by most people (think about how much you read and learned before making the purchase decisions you made).

Of course, the "consumers are dumb" argument would be insulting to make, and it's quite clear why nobody from HDG (or, again, BDA) would say that. So, with two far more feasible explanations gone out the window, and an easy insult to be made directly at your competition, that was what the HDG guy came up with. It's absurd on its face, but possibly necessary given that it would be counterproductive to state any of the competing (and far more likely) explanations.
 
[quote name='dpatel']I didn't really ask to what degree you were a gamer, although, for someone who doesn't game much, you sure do complain a lot about the lack of games. Besides, you are not representative of all gamers out there.[/QUOTE]

...The PS3 has a severe lack of games. Its not just me saying it, feel free to visit other boards and websites.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']
Transformers on a 51GB disc...I'm sensing it.[/QUOTE]
maybe on a double dip, but its coming out too soon for a 51 GB disc
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']None. There hasn't been anything since Weeds Season 2. Dawn, Day, Halloween, and Evil Dead II REALLY soon though.

What about you? How is your collection of 6 movies?[/QUOTE]

...About 22 or so, actually. More coming soon, thanks to the slew of horror classics coming in October. Y'all can have your Dawn of the Dead remakes, I prefer the original anyway.

Unless, of course, you were referring to my HD DVD collection, which is, at last count (lemme go check my movies)...oh yeah. 0.

Again, thank you for being part of making Blu-Ray the #1 hidef movie format in not only the US, but globally as well.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']...About 22 or so, actually. More coming soon, thanks to the slew of horror classics coming in October. Y'all can have your Dawn of the Dead remakes, I prefer the original anyway.

Unless, of course, you were referring to my HD DVD collection, which is, at last count (lemme go check my movies)...oh yeah. 0.[/QUOTE]

We have the same amount of Blu-ray movies! Just make sure to scratch Amityville Horror off your list because Fox canceled that.

As for Dawn...the original was AWESOME, and the remake was AWESOME as well.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']well you obviously need to go work on that collection... 0 is not acceptable[/QUOTE]

:lol: He doesn't have a player.

It's ok, I'm doing my best to counteract him with my 50 movies on HD-DVD & 0 on Blu-Ray. AND THERE'S ONLY MORE HD-DVDs TO COME. :bouncy:
 
[quote name='anomynous']maybe on a double dip, but its coming out too soon for a 51 GB disc[/QUOTE]

Its been announced...but the disc size has not. Who knows. I fully expect to see a 51GB this year. When that happens...of course, it will be no big deal to the Blu-ray camp because its simply a publicity stunt.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']...The PS3 has a severe lack of games. Its not just me saying it, feel free to visit other boards and websites.[/QUOTE]

Of course, I totally agree. I am just wondering why someone who isn't much of a gamer and more of a movie enthusiast doesn't feel content with their PS3 purchase. Right now, it seems the PS3 is the best Blu-ray player out there, and a pretty good deal too.

[quote name='Sporadic']You have got to be fucking shitting me.

How did you come up with that from that post?

I almost think you guys are fakeposting and trying to give me a heart attack.[/QUOTE]

I'm not doing anything of the sort. You said his comment was fair, and, if it was, then no gamers (aka most of us here in this thread) would own movies. That's not the case, which is what I am trying to illustrate to you.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']:lol: He doesn't have a player.

It's ok, I'm doing my best to counteract him with my 50 movies on HD-DVD & 0 on Blu-Ray. AND THERE'S ONLY MORE HD-DVDs TO COME. :bouncy:[/QUOTE]

Dude, WE have the same amount on HD DVD (Well, I did just buy Blades of Glory).
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Its been announced...but the disc size has not. Who knows. I fully expect to see a 51GB this year. When that happens...of course, it will be no big deal to the Blu-ray camp because its simply a publicity stunt.[/QUOTE]

It's going to be a double 30 disc release.

That's already been confirmed.

TL51's are still in the oven even though it was "approved" by the DVD Forum.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Of course, I totally agree. I am just wondering why someone who isn't much of a gamer and more of a movie enthusiast doesn't feel content with their PS3 purchase. Right now, it seems the PS3 is the best Blu-ray player out there, and a pretty good deal too.[/QUOTE]

Because it has a logo on it that says 'Sony'.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']:lol: He doesn't have a player.

It's ok, I'm doing my best to counteract him with my 50 movies on HD-DVD & 0 on Blu-Ray. AND THERE'S ONLY MORE HD-DVDs TO COME. :bouncy:[/QUOTE]

I almost bought one the other day, honest to god. The GS near me had one used - so after Edge, it would have been $113+tax. Not a bad deal for a player plus 6 movies and remote - but King Kong wasn't there (WTF!?!?!), and it had no box, meaning no UPC, meaning no free movies. So that was a decision quickly made. And wisely, too, I might add.
 
[quote name='dpatel']I'm not doing anything of the sort. You said his comment was fair, and, if it was, then no gamers (aka most of us here in this thread) would own movies. That's not the case, which is what I am trying to illustrate to you.[/QUOTE]

And I'm trying to illustrate to you that

[quote name='Sporadic']I'd laugh but then again we aren't talking about anything that insane.

We are talking about a head of a studio talking about HD movies in an interview, so we should just be able to assume that he is talking about movies on a HD format not just movies in general.

And according to attach rate, he would be in the right with that statement.

If he came out tomorrow and said "gamers won't buy any movies on any format (HD/Blu/DVD/digital downloads) and they are a complete waste of our resources" I would be right on board with you ridiculing him.

Honestly, I don't know how else to explain it and unless somebody can come up with a decent argument to dispute me, I'm done going around in circles.[/QUOTE]

And again last time I checked he didn't say ALL gamers don't buy movies or even hinted at that, just gamers don't buy movies which according to the numbers is basically true or the HD format battleground would be insanely different.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Because it has a logo on it that says 'Sony'.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough :lol:

Although, I don't think any amount of complaining will get rid of that logo.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']And I'm trying to illustrate to you that

And again last time I checked he didn't say ALL gamers don't buy movies or even hinted at that, just gamers don't buy movies which according to the numbers is basically true or the HD format battleground would be insanely different.[/QUOTE]

But, I'm a gamer, and I buy movies. I'm sure I'm not the only one that fits this description.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I almost bought one the other day, honest to god. The GS near me had one used - so after Edge, it would have been $113+tax. Not a bad deal for a player plus 6 movies and remote - but King Kong wasn't there (WTF!?!?!), and it had no box, meaning no UPC, meaning no free movies. So that was a decision quickly made. And wisely, too, I might add.[/QUOTE]

You do know if you buy a used 360 HD DVD add-on you don't get the 5 free movies by mail, right? It has to be a new one.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I almost bought one the other day, honest to god. The GS near me had one used - so after Edge, it would have been $113+tax. Not a bad deal for a player plus 6 movies and remote - but King Kong wasn't there (WTF!?!?!), and it had no box, meaning no UPC, meaning no free movies. So that was a decision quickly made. And wisely, too, I might add.[/QUOTE]

Ouch.

Still, $179 for an add-on with 6-7 movies is an amazing deal. I've bought mine at that price with only King Kong and I don't regret it (even though it is louder than a standalone)

Hell if there was a $150-200 option for Blu-Ray, I'd buy one just for Dawn/Day Of The Dead but until that day there is no way I'm dropping 400+ on one.

I'm exclusive until player/combo prices drop a shitload (which could happen within 2+ years) or every studio leaves HD-DVD (which I really doubt would happen)
 
[quote name='dpatel']Fair enough :lol:

Although, I don't think any amount of complaining will get rid of that logo.[/QUOTE]

Well, duhh. If the BDA didn't release release a crippled format to begin with I would have a Samsung or Pioneer player instead.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Well, duhh. If the BDA didn't release release a crippled format to begin with I would have a Samsung or Pioneer player instead.[/QUOTE]

You know, there is always the option of just not buying a player at all.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']...The PS3 has a severe lack of games. Its not just me saying it, feel free to visit other boards and websites.[/QUOTE]

No. It has games, but you and many others have taken this "I totally wouldn't do her, she has sharp knees" approach to the PS3. You, quite frankly, *don't want* the PS3 to have good games. It's the same mentality that seems to regard multiplatform titles as a boon to the 360, but irrelevant for the PS3. It doesn't matter that the PS3 has Oblivion/RS:Vegas/THPG/GHIII, but it's awesome that the 360 has them!

Heavenly Sword is incredible, like it or not. Tekken online is fucking phenomenal. Stranglehold will have an HD version of "Hard Boiled," which is, IMHO, vastly superior to any achievement points. Eye of Judgment is coming this fall, along with Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Hot Shots Golf, Folklore, Unreal Tournament III, Singstar, Rock Band (with wireless!), Haze, Time Crisis 4, and Timeshift (to name a few) all before Christmas of this year.

So, give it up. All 3 systems have ample amazing games, so you can give up your "she has sharp knees" bullshit, because at this point, you're looking for the system to have no games rather than waiting for the inevitable good games to arrive in droves.

Start with a clear mind, and stop trying to bend arguments around conclusions you've already drawn. You're too easily proven wrong.

[quote name='GizmoGC']You do know if you buy a used 360 HD DVD add-on you don't get the 5 free movies by mail, right? It has to be a new one.[/QUOTE]

Well, then. fuck that. Thanks for pointing that out; now I won't buy a 360 add-on at all.

[quote name='Sporadic']Ouch.

Still, $179 for an add-on with 6-7 movies is an amazing deal. I've bought mine at that price with only King Kong and I don't regret it (even though it is louder than a standalone)

Hell if there was a $150-200 option for Blu-Ray, I'd buy one just for Dawn/Day Of The Dead but until that day there is no way I'm dropping 400+ on one.

I'm exclusive until player/combo prices drop a shitload (which could happen within 2+ years) or every studio leaves HD-DVD (which I really doubt would happen)[/QUOTE]

There is more and more credence to the $400 40GB PS3 in time for christmas (the rumor was recently bolstered by a mysterious new SKU for the PS3 showing up somewhere). It may not be your ideal, but it certainly is getting much, much closer.
 
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