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[quote name='geko29']Holy crap, sales are even worse than we thought. Official release week numbers for "The Condemned" were just announced, which allowed user SGRSBSKIER on AVS to calculate sales for the top 10 SKUs:

Troy -------------------- 3822
300 BD ------------------ 3770
Condemned --------------- 3015
We are Marshall HD ------ 2363
We are Marshall BD ------ 1992
300 HD ------------------ 1877
PE BD -------------------- 1694
PE HD -------------------- 1332
Smallville HD ------------- 1248
Casino Royale ------------ 1176
Batman Begins ------------ 925

Absolutely pathetic. Estimates are hovering around 30k discs sold total between both formats that week. I'll whip up the top 10 aggregate by title and post it here in a few minutes.[/QUOTE]

Care to link to the post you gleaned this from? I'm curious how these estimates were made. Moreover, I don't know that The Condemned is a good basis of comparison, since the movie was a fuckin' FLOP in the theaters (FWIW).
 
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http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...ntals/Report:_Netflix_Users_Favor_HD_DVD/1036

Guess it wasn't split in half after all.[/QUOTE]


I guess that is why Blu ray is outselling HD DVD?

Blu rays new tagline, "We prefer to buy our movies!". :D
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Guess it wasn't split in half after all.[/QUOTE]

You'd think that they would produce data on what people actually *rent*, versus what they look at/what their preferences are. One is surely more important than the other. I'll let you figure out which.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Care to link to the post you gleaned this from? I'm curious how these estimates were made. Moreover, I don't know that The Condemned is a good basis of comparison, since the movie was a fuckin' FLOP in the theaters (FWIW).[/quote] The user's post is here, and the post identifying that The Condemned sold 3015 copies is here. The other sales numbers were caclulated based on that information, plus the HMM top 10 ratios, which can be found in my post here. Note in my post, the titles with xx. in front of them instead of a number is because those ratios are calculated, and we don't know for sure what their actual position on the sales chart is. If you prefer the original, unmolested list, you can find it on page 10 of this week's Home Media Magazine.

And the Condemned is a perfect basis for comparison because we know precicely how many copies it sold, as well as how many it sold in relation to all other titles in the top 10 (and by further calculation, in relation to titles on other lists as well). Any title we know both units AND sales ratio for will get the job done. No matter what awful tripe it is. :lol:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']You'd think that they would produce data on what people actually *rent*, versus what they look at/what their preferences are. One is surely more important than the other. I'll let you figure out which.[/QUOTE]

I'd also like to add that with Blockbuster solely backing Blu-ray, HD-DVD owners are naturally going to gravitate towards Netflix.
 
[quote name='dpatel']I'd also like to add that with Blockbuster solely backing Blu-ray, HD-DVD owners are naturally going to gravitate towards Netflix.[/quote]

Except that Blockbuster.com also has both (which is the better comparison for Netflix anyway). I use Blockbuster.com for HD-DVD rentals and my in-store trade-ins for Blu-rays. So, yeah, most of the stores with HD rentals (which are actually not that many) have Blu-ray... if they had HD-DVD there I'd probably rent that instead (assuming a movie had both a blu-ray and HD-DVD version), as I slightly prefer the video quality on HD-DVD, despite an HDMI hookup for my PS3 and VGA for my 360.
 
[quote name='soonersfan60']With so many people prefering HD-DVD yet the higher viewing of Blu-Ray, I smell a conspiracy of Sony bot click-throughs (or Myke, Dpatel and H.Cornerstone taking turns...) :lol:[/QUOTE]

We're too busy involved in conspiring with the news media in hiding the real world truth that HD DVD is outselling BR 5-to-1 worldwide.

Oh wait. Blu-Ray's 66% marketshare in disc sales for the year is not affected by any number of clickthroughs or preference selections, so I was just making that last part up. HD DVD's still losing.

On another note, and one that may have very little to do with the format war, Warner acquired the Peanuts license from Paramount today. Which is good because...y'know...fuck Paramount, I guess. That's good enough for me. :lol:
 
Linkin, read the past two pages, I already went over this with Gizmo before, Target will not carry the venturer HD-DVD player, I work at Target and know the prouct too well for us to carry that.
 
For those on the fence about Bram Stoker's Dracula, highdefdigest gave it a bum rap, IMO (a bum rap mainly related to the format it's on, if I do say so myself).

It's a gorgeous transfer with a little bit of grain (not as much as, say, Goodfellas or Sleepy Hollow, though) and some fleeting moments of softness in the background.

I loved the movie originally, and I'm glad I picked this up ($18 at Amazon). The reviewer at highdefdigest either doesn't understand the director's intent, or is full of shit. Since he linked to a forum thread comparing photos of the BR version and the Superbit version (not screenshots mind you...but *photos*, TV and all), I can't help but feel he was looking to be a bastard about it.
 
[quote name='leshrac55']Except that Blockbuster.com also has both (which is the better comparison for Netflix anyway). I use Blockbuster.com for HD-DVD rentals and my in-store trade-ins for Blu-rays. So, yeah, most of the stores with HD rentals (which are actually not that many) have Blu-ray... if they had HD-DVD there I'd probably rent that instead (assuming a movie had both a blu-ray and HD-DVD version), as I slightly prefer the video quality on HD-DVD, despite an HDMI hookup for my PS3 and VGA for my 360.[/QUOTE]

Ah ok, my fault then. Didn't realize they still stocked HD-DVD online. Guess the lack of HD-DVD in some stores is simply to save shelf space until both formats actually take off.
 
[quote name='soonersfan60']With so many people prefering HD-DVD yet the higher viewing of Blu-Ray, I smell a conspiracy of Sony bot click-throughs (or Myke, Dpatel and H.Cornerstone taking turns...) :lol:[/QUOTE]

Damnit! He knows to much!!! Kill him!
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']Its shows that it will only be available online. I don't see why everyone thinks this is the savior of HD DVD. Its only $50 cheaper and comes from a piece of shit manufacturer. Toshiba needs to get someone of quality on board.[/QUOTE]

You mean like Samsung that can't even play Fantastic Four or Day After Tomorrow? Or the numerous other NON Sony players that are having issues with it taking 2 minutes to load, skips etc.?

The Onkyo player should be coming out very soon for HD DVD. Are they a 'piece of shit manufacturer'?

As many have said, $249 is just the 'pre-order' price for the Venturer. Expect this to be on 'sale' for $199.99. Common retail practice.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Expect this to be on 'sale' for $199.99.[/QUOTE]

Just not at Target. :lol:

Seriously - consumer research showed, earlier this year, people stay away from WM and shop at Target because of the perceived quality of goods in each store; one component of that perception is name brand. It's classist to say, but Target wouldn't touch Venturer, unless it was designed by that talentless dickbag Isaac Mizrahi.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']For those on the fence about Bram Stoker's Dracula, highdefdigest gave it a bum rap, IMO (a bum rap mainly related to the format it's on, if I do say so myself).

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same way they bum raped halloween?
 
[quote name='guyver2077']same way they bum raped halloween?[/QUOTE]

I didn't read that review until just now. It's the same guy (Peter Bracke) who reviewed them both (and most BR releases).

I find this correction to his poor Halloween review hilarious:

As a longtime fan of 'Halloween,' however -- and as someone who feels strongly that the filmmaker's intentions should always be sacrosanct -- I take particular issue with the decision to yet again utilize a compromised master that's been disowned by John Carpenter himself for this release. If you don't happen to share this same sensitivity, you're likely to find the picture quality on this disc perfectly acceptable and even quite superior for an almost thirty year-old indie film.
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Keeping in mind that the "filmmaker's intentions should always be sacrosanct," consider the following about Dracula on BR:

Those who have criticized the transfer are comparing it to the Superbit DVD release, and are missing some crucial information about development of this Blu-ray.

* The masters used for the Superbit DVD release were not approved by Mr. Coppola, while the Blu-ray masters were
* The color correction on the DVD was not done by direction of Mr. Coppola
* For the latest master, a representative from Zoetrope was charged with checking the color correction to match the wishes of Mr. Coppola
* The Blu-ray release was not accomplished quickly; it was carefully planned with full cooperation of Zoetrope
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From: http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=541

Now, you say: big deal, it's from the Blu-ray forums. Of course they'll bitch about a poor BR review! However, from Bracke's review:

Coppola is the only top-tier filmmaker who oversees the production of his titles on home video purely in-house, via his state-of-the-art Zoetrope Studios.

Unfortunately, as cool as it is that Coppola is so involved, I've found the technical quality of Zoetrope's previous DVD releases to be a hit-or-miss affair -- for every great transfer like 'One from the Heart' or 'The Outsiders,' there are big-time disappointments like 'The Godfather Trilogy,' which I found shockingly poor in terms of video and audio. So I set my sights low going into 'Bram Stoker's Dracula,' and I'm sorry to say that even my meager expectations weren't exceeded.
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So one film is given a poor review (Halloween) precisely because it went against the filmmaker's intentions, and one film is given a poor review (Dracula) precisely because it was changed to correct a version that had gone against the filmmaker's intentions, and now, in fact, greatly reflected the filmmaker's intentions.

What a complete and total hack of a reviewer; such hypocrisy should be better disguised than that. I do hope that Halloween turns out well, as I'm excited about all the horror films being released in October.
 
[quote name='soonersfan60']With so many people prefering HD-DVD yet the higher viewing of Blu-Ray, I smell a conspiracy of Sony bot click-throughs (or Myke, Dpatel and H.Cornerstone taking turns...) :lol:[/quote]


I have a 360 and Nintendo DS, I am not a Sony bot! My Home theater system is Yamaha! :D (BTW, This is actually made me laugh and how you blast Blu-ray supporters. :D)

Anywho, I do find myself though seaarching through Net-flix time to time just to see what Blu-ray's they have, but that's so I am can queue them...

Gizmo, how does that have to do with anything about Toshiba getting more brand name manufacturers on their side?

BTW, I will settle this soon and talk to the head of our electronics guy to see if knows anything about us getting a Venturer HD-DVD player, we are getting ready for Christmas soon so whether or not we carry it will happen shortly.

And Myke, don't get me started on our designers...... That douche bag makes dog clothes, disgusts me....
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Oh wait. Blu-Ray's 66% marketshare in disc sales for the year is not affected by any number of clickthroughs or preference selections, so I was just making that last part up. HD DVD's still losing.[/QUOTE]

Also a conspiracy by Sony bots...
 
[quote name='dpatel']Also a conspiracy by Sony bots...[/quote]
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Hitachi/Industry_Trends/Hitachi_Develops_100GB_Blu-ray_Disc/1037

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5-7 skinny t's not ready for primetime quite yet, but Hitachi says it has developed a Blu-ray disc with twice the storage capacity of a BD-50 disc.

Although other companies (including TDK and Panasonic) have developed similar prototypes, each have required a specially developed optical head in the player to read the disc.
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By contrast, Hitachi's new four layer disc is believed to require only a firmware update to be compatible with existing drives.

According to a report from PC Pro, the manufacturer is working to stabilize signal quality before considering a commercial roll-out for the new discs.

Like the 51 GB HD DVD disc currently in development by Toshiba, it's expected that if Hitachi's 100 GB Blu-ray discs do hit the market, it will be for data storage use to begin with (and not movies).

PC Pro reports that Hitachi is also developing an eight layer disc that would hold 200GB of data.

Thanks to Alistair for the tip!

See what people are saying about this story in our forums area, or check out other recent discussions.
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Hey Dpatel, remember how we said it wouldn't be long till Blu-ray camp released a new Blu-ray disc that would surpass HD-DVD again because 25>15? Looks like we were right!

And let me remind you the HD-DVD camp has also said the 51gb discs will only work in current players with a firmware update, just like these 100gb versions.
 
That article is inaccurate, at least according to all the other articles on the topic I've read. The 100GB discs require a firmware update AND modification of the pickup head. more info here.

It's also worth noting that this is BD-R, and not BD-ROM. No mention has been made by ANYONE of a BD-ROM with more than two layers. Great for the PC storage market, where no one will care that new drives are required. Current drives will be too slow when this product launches in two years anyway (who wants to spend 3-6 hours burning a disc?). Totally immaterial to the HiDef movie market, though.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone'] (BTW, This is actually made me laugh and how you blast Blu-ray supporters. :D) [/quote]

My intention was the former (make you laugh) and not the latter (blast Blu-Ray supporters)... Glad it worked. (But you know that's what gizmo, propeller, geko and other HD DVD supporters are probably thinking. ;) )
 
[quote name='geko29']:bomb: Hey hey hey, don't lump me in with gizmo and propeller!

FWIW, I thought your post was funny.[/quote]

Well, I had a trio on one side and couldn't think who else to throw in to make a trio on the other side... :)
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']You mean like Samsung that can't even play Fantastic Four or Day After Tomorrow? Or the numerous other NON Sony players that are having issues with it taking 2 minutes to load, skips etc.? [/QUOTE]

Oh NOES! That means a firmware update, which both companies are working on! It's a shame that BR aren't like HD players, which have NEVEREVEREVER in the history of mankind to the present and through on until the end of the world, have had a firmware update!

and, since there will never be a firmware update, then those HD players which have been taking 20 minutes to load "Knocked Up" must continue to do so forever. Right?

Right? :roll: :lol:

[quote name='soonersfan60']Well, I had a trio on one side and couldn't think who else to throw in to make a trio on the other side... :)[/QUOTE]

I'm a bastard, but I'm not a lying bastard like gizmo, so I resent the comparison. I think to think of myself as like geko, but with far fewer manners. I don't lie, and I don't steal other folks' posts verbatim, so I kinda resent the comparison to gizmo. Even if it was in jest. ;)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']We're too busy involved in conspiring with the news media in hiding the real world truth that HD DVD is outselling BR 5-to-1 worldwide.

Oh wait. Blu-Ray's 66% marketshare in disc sales for the year is not affected by any number of clickthroughs or preference selections, so I was just making that last part up. HD DVD's still losing.[/quote]
lol @ losing. losing what? 16% of the 1% of the home vid market which is HD?

OH NO! ITS ALL OVER FOLKS! THROW IN THE TOWEL! OVERWHELMING VICTORY HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED!

*cough*PS3*cough*

i hope you dont play the stock market ;)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm a bastard, but I'm not a lying bastard like gizmo, so I resent the comparison. I think to think of myself as like geko, but with far fewer manners. I don't lie, and I don't steal other folks' posts verbatim, so I kinda resent the comparison to gizmo. Even if it was in jest. ;)[/quote]
you dont lie. you just distort the truth, right? :lol:
 
Yeah, Geko is nothing like Propeller and Gizmo, he's reasonable and he brings facts and articles to back up his claims and I can actually UNDERSTAND why he chooses HD-DVD.

And yes Sooner, it's blasting in a good sense as it's more of just casual joking.

And Sorry Geko, the article was on highdefdigest, which is pretty reputatble and the headline said Hitachi made them work where only Firmware updates would be needed. I know every other 100gb are like that, but they made it seem like this one was different.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Show me where, Mister 1080i=1080p.[/quote] you still believe it doesnt :roll:

after the countless explanations, im not sure what, if anything, will ever make you understand or accept it.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Show me where, Mister 1080i=1080p.[/quote] you still believe it doesnt :roll:

after the countless explanations, im not sure what, if anything, will ever make you understand or accept it.

[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Yeah, Geko is nothing like Propeller and Gizmo, he's reasonable and he brings facts and articles to back up his claims and I can actually UNDERSTAND why he chooses HD-DVD.

And yes Sooner, it's blasting in a good sense as it's more of just casual joking.

And Sorry Geko, the article was on highdefdigest, which is pretty reputatble and the headline said Hitachi made them work where only Firmware updates would be needed. I know every other 100gb are like that, but they made it seem like this one was different.[/quote] show me where i have lied. show me where i have provided untruths. show me where my logic is twisted. show me.

i'm one of the few who actually stated this war was ridiculous to begin w/. that the market is so tiny that all these "victories" are hollow. i'm not the one delusional enough to think that 16% more of 1% is some sort of runaway train down a mountain.
 
[quote name='dallow']Best to nip a format in the bud rather than later.[/quote]i think you meant to say sooner rahter than later.
& i hate to be the one to break it to you. but even if this thread reached a million pages long. it would still have no effect on the format "war".

i said it before, ill say it again. whoever gets players cheap first wins. PS3 is a huge chunk of the player base now. but is very small in comparison to the amount of people who will be owning SA players. and that demographic usually views it as a pastime, not worthy of many hundreds of dollars to invest in.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']i think you meant to say sooner rahter than later.
& i hate to be the one to break it to you. but even if this thread reached a million pages long. it would still have no effect on the format "war".

i said it before, ill say it again. whoever gets players cheap first wins. PS3 is a huge chunk of the player base now. but is very small in comparison to the amount of people who will be owning SA players. and that demographic usually views it as a pastime, not worthy of many hundreds of dollars to invest in.[/quote]Wait.... what?

What does my comment have to do with this thread.
What does this thread have to do with the 'war'.

And what do you think 'nip in the bud' means?
 
[quote name='propeller_head']you still believe it doesnt :roll:

after the countless explanations, im not sure what, if anything, will ever make you understand or accept it.[/QUOTE]

Now, let's be clear about something. This is your retort to my request for you to back up *your* claim that *I* distort the truth. I point this out because it's cute, funny, and ironic.

After countless explanations, you're the one who doesn't get it. You brought up pulldown, conversion, fps, and all this technical nonsense to convince me that 1080i=1080p. After much back and forth, you finally admitted that none of this applies in the case of a television that plays 1080/24. In doing so, you admitted that it is NOT 1080i and 1080p that are similar, but, rather, the television its being played on. (Here's where the irony and funny come in); You accuse me of being the one to distort the truth, yet you're the one who continues to try and toe the "1080i is the same thing as 1080p, no matter what you or anyone else say about it" line - HOWEVER, by admitting that the context of what TV it is on matters as to whether or not they differ, you defeat your entire claim, and distort the truth rather substantially on your own.

You might as well try to claim that 1080i-1080p on a SDTV set. Well, no shit they would be the same; but, it's the **TV** that matters, not the screen resolution, darlin'.

Guess what? BR looks just like regular tv when you use a custom-built RF modulator, too! Betcha didn't know that! :rofl:
 
1080i signal sent to a 1080p TV is the same as a 1080p signal to a 1080p tv PROVIDED the TV can de-interlace it properly and not cause "bobbing".

0506halfrez.2.jpg


0506halfrez.1.jpg


1080p > 1080i for guaranteed consistency in PQ.

At least, this has always been my understanding.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']And Sorry Geko, the article was on highdefdigest, which is pretty reputatble and the headline said Hitachi made them work where only Firmware updates would be needed. I know every other 100gb are like that, but they made it seem like this one was different.[/quote]
It's no problem, I wasn't blasting you for it. The Japanese machine translations are VERY poor on this point. I initially believed as you did that a firmware update alone was enough to ensure compatibility, until I saw several other sources mention a modified read head. Enough of them to make me think the initial one was wrong.

But I guess we'll both have to wait till 2009 to know for sure. :)
 
[quote name='geko29']It's no problem, I wasn't blasting you for it. The Japanese machine translations are VERY poor on this point. I initially believed as you did that a firmware update alone was enough to ensure compatibility, until I saw several other sources mention a modified read head. Enough of them to make me think the initial one was wrong.

But I guess we'll both have to wait till 2009 to know for sure. :)[/quote]

ROFL, yeah, I don't think it matters, as I still don't think the 100gb, much less the 51gb HD-DVD ones will ever see the mass market anywho.
 
[quote name='dallow']1080i signal sent to a 1080p TV is the same as a 1080p signal to a 1080p tv PROVIDED the TV can de-interlace it properly and not cause "bobbing".

0506halfrez.2.jpg


0506halfrez.1.jpg


1080p > 1080i for guaranteed consistency in PQ.

At least, this has always been my understanding.[/quote] i know where those pics are from. they're from a 1080p is the same as 1080i except for OLD hdtvs w/ dysfunctional deinterlacers (which didnt deinterlace) article i provided so many times in this argument. lololol golden

http://blog.hometheatermag.com/geoffreymorrison/0807061080iv1080p/
 
Personally, I am looking forward to picking up one of those combo drives for PC's. I've got a nice big HDCP-capable monitor, as well as a compliant video card, all I need is for those drives to reach price points more reasonable than $900+. Once I can pick one up for under $300, bam, the format war becomes a moot point and I can watch whatever the fuck I want, without worrying about retardo companies that can't unify into one standard.
 
until you pop your BD in and get a rootkit, oops. then a botnet randomly scanning through your ip range discovers it and decides to make your computer a zomibe & keylog your info. or make it into a spam portal. next thing you know some eastern european crime ring is remotely emptying your bank account & ruining your credit. yay identity theft & broken computers! booo fair use!

http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11369

http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/47

http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/421

but they learned their lesson right?

Wrong

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20051108/0117239_F.shtml

Sony's response to the whole rootkit fiasco has been anything but reassuring -- which is probably why they're facing a series of lawsuits about the matter. However, the folks over at Digg have highlighted what might be the single most ridiculous statement on the matter from a Sony executive during an NPR interview about the matter. After taking issue with anyone using the terms "spyware, malware or rootkit,"Thomas Hesse, President of Sony's Global Digital Business, literally says: "Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?" Ah, right. Because people don't know about this technology that was installed without proper notification, which hides things on their computers, which can be misused by those with malicious intent to hide more software on their computers potentially causing all sorts of damage... they have nothing at all to worry about. This goes beyond the "trust us" response they were originally stating to the unfathomable rationale that what you don't know about can't possibly hurt you.
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[quote name='mykevermin']Oh NOES! That means a firmware update, which both companies are working on! It's a shame that BR aren't like HD players, which have NEVEREVEREVER in the history of mankind to the present and through on until the end of the world, have had a firmware update!

and, since there will never be a firmware update, then those HD players which have been taking 20 minutes to load "Knocked Up" must continue to do so forever. Right?

Right? :roll: :lol:



I'm a bastard, but I'm not a lying bastard like gizmo, so I resent the comparison. I think to think of myself as like geko, but with far fewer manners. I don't lie, and I don't steal other folks' posts verbatim, so I kinda resent the comparison to gizmo. Even if it was in jest. ;)[/QUOTE]

No, it means they can't play at all right now. Pretty damn embarrassing really. Fox comes out of a 6 month hiatus and their first 2 releases won't work on 3 different players, and are having countless issues with others. Why didn't Fox test these with all 10 players on the market? Its not like there are hundreds. Fox blaming LG and Samsung (who were both BR supporters at the start, but now release or will release a dual format player...interesting) is crap. There is no reason why Fox couldn't have either tested the disc in each player themselves, or sent a copy to each company. No reason why it should take 2 minutes to load on other players. No reason for audio glitches.

As for HD DVD, it has not had issues with movies coming out requiring a firmware update that was not available. Knocked Up, when put into the 360 connected to live, was downloading an update. While it didn't say it was doing that, it only needed to do it once, and not every time the HD DVD was put it. Issues with Combos was not caused by the players, but the way the discs were made.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Hitachi/Industry_Trends/Hitachi_Develops_100GB_Blu-ray_Disc/1037


Hey Dpatel, remember how we said it wouldn't be long till Blu-ray camp released a new Blu-ray disc that would surpass HD-DVD again because 25>15? Looks like we were right!

And let me remind you the HD-DVD camp has also said the 51gb discs will only work in current players with a firmware update, just like these 100gb versions.[/QUOTE]

100GB will never be used on stand alone players. For data, sure, not for movies/TV.

Please, point me to the article which says 51GB discs will only work in current players with firmware updates. Wouldn't every HD DVD player be 'current'? The good thing is every HD DVD player have a built-in ethernet port for firmware updates. No need to download an ISO, burn a CD, and then update the firmware like the current Blu-ray methods :lol:
 
[quote name='TxdoHawk']Personally, I am looking forward to picking up one of those combo drives for PC's. I've got a nice big HDCP-capable monitor, as well as a compliant video card, all I need is for those drives to reach price points more reasonable than $900+. Once I can pick one up for under $300, bam, the format war becomes a moot point and I can watch whatever the fuck I want, without worrying about retardo companies that can't unify into one standard.[/QUOTE]

How do firmware updates work with the PC players? Do they match what the HD/BR players are doing right away or take a while? I know there are a few people with current PC Blu-ray players that can't play Silver Surfer OR Day after Tomorrow and they have no idea when a fix for them will happen.
 
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=915708

quote from guy who started thread. goes into more detail from other people as well. this is real, not some made up story.
DigitalLife 2008 is a trade / consumer show, that is held in NYC each year mostly as a press event , technology buzz creator, that also is a consumer showcase for hot new technologies of the year.

Last year Sony and the PS3 were dominant at the show, this year they were absent and the Xbox 360 and HD DVD were dominant .

Having attended it for the last few years I have seen it cycle a bit from being a big gaming console show to laptop consumer PDA gizmo home theater stuff event.

Last year, being held in late September Sony was in the most prominant locations with a huge presence and used the show to show off the PS3 in glass cases and had plenty of game vendors showing off their wares. The Xbox 360 had some presence but paled compared to Sony and the PS3. Toshiba was there with HD DVD in a small booth lost in the middle of the show. HD DVD PRG had the semi-trailer there, but it was at the back of the show.


This year, Sony did not have any real booth space, compared to the huge space they had last year. The Xbox 360 was all over the place and The HD DVD PRG had the semi - trailer and 10 HDTVS right in the spot Sony had last year, they were giving away copies of Bandai's Freedom I and II to people that saw the demonstration , Toshiba had a large booth where all the staff were wearing HD DVD t-Shirts and Microsoft was right next door.

The largest and most prominent and entry are placed booths were Microsoft HD DVD PRG and Toshiba.

It was almost weird that Sony, and the PS3 were absent from the show.

HD DVD did get a prominent award from Ziff Davis-as being one of the hot 5 technologies or products, but it was kinda strange that there were so prominent and that Blu-ray and even the PS3 were totally MIA.

Its like Sony did not want or could not spend the money or something, but they did not even try to compete at the show.
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DigitalLife Hosts 'Hot 5' Press Reception on Tuesday, September 25th

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Advance Press Event to Highlight Five Marquee DigitalLife Exhibitors Prior
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NEW YORK, Sept. 24 /PRNewswire/ -- DigitalLife, North America's leading
consumer electronics and digital technology event, today announced the 5
companies that will be featured at their special advance "Hot 5" press
reception on Tuesday, September 25th. As the name indicates, the 5
companies have been selected to provide an early look at some of the most
exciting technology that will be on display at the upcoming DigitalLife
event to be held at New York's Jacob Javits Center, September 27th - 30th.
The "Hot 5" press reception will be held from 6:00pm to 8:30pm at
Splashlight Studio, 529- 535 West 35th Street (between 10th & 11th
Avenues), New York, New York. The "Hot 5" preview event is open to all
press that have pre-registered for the main DigitalLife event. Press
registration is still open at
http://www.digitallife.com/newyork/press_registration.html.
"This year's DigitalLife is a 'must see' for the press and the 'Hot 5'
gives everyone an advance look at some of the hottest products that will
debut at the show," said Paul O'Reilly, VP and GM of DigitalLife. "Over the
course of the show, DigitalLife will present a record number of new product
announcements spanning a variety of amazing technology products and
services, from computer hardware and software, to digital toys and
communication devices."
About the Hot 5
The following is a brief overview of the companies, products and
services featured at the Hot 5 event:
-- Ford Sync(TM) - developed with Microsoft - showcasing a new Ford Edge
with a fully integrated, voice-activated communications and
entertainment system.
-- HD DVD - the Alliance featuring new, next-generation post-DVD products,
setting the standard for high capacity, high definition performance.
-- Guitar Hero III(TM): Legends of Rock - featuring the much-awaited new
release in the acclaimed Guitar Hero video game series.
-- Trend Micro - unveiling new security software to protect consumer IDs
and equipment.
-- M-Audio - previewing new releases of these state-of-the-art creative
tools for consumers to create great music on their own computers.

For press information, please contact [email protected]
About DigitalLife
DigitalLife - the consumer electronics and entertainment event of the
year - invites consumers of every interest and age to experience the latest
in digital technology by exploring hundreds of interactive and hands-on
exhibits geared to educate, entertain, inspire, and support adoption of the
digital lifestyle. For more information visit http://www.digitallife.com.
About Ziff Davis Media Inc.
Ziff Davis Media is a leading integrated media company serving the
technology and videogame markets. The Company is an information services
provider of technology media including publications, websites, conferences,
events, eSeminars, eNewsletters, custom publishing, list rentals, research
and market intelligence.
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maybe they avoided the show because they were tipped of HD DVD would be winning the Hot 5 award? maybe they didnt want to talk about 1.1 in oct. who knows
 
[quote name='propeller_head']http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=915708

quote from guy who started thread. goes into more detail from other people as well. this is real, not some made up story.



maybe they avoided the show because they were tipped of HD DVD would be winning the Hot 5 award? maybe they didnt want to talk about 1.1 in oct. who knows[/QUOTE]


4 weeks left to see if 1.1 even "arrives".
 
:lol: Yes, Sony's dead broke, and couldn't afford a booth at a convention that even third-tier techie blogs didn't seem to want to cover, let alone the mainstream media.

I hear HD DVD has a booth at the midwestern Kansas CatFancy convention next week. The only question is: will Sony have the GUTS to show up?!?!?
 
[quote name='dallow']Yeah, which means they're not the same.

It's up to the deinterlacer.[/quote]
again, no. it means that the early deinterlacers DIDNT deinterlace, thus WERENT deinterlacers.

those pics are ALSO from a test disc w/ 1080i SOURCE.

AGAIN. ALL HD DVD & Blu-ray discs are 1080p SOURCE
 
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