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[quote name='mykevermin'] And LinkinPrime, but he's a plant for MS anyway, so no surprise there.[/quote]
So its ok for you to support BR 100% but its not ok for me to support HD DVD 100%?

Or are you considered a Sony "plant"?
 
[quote name='dallow']Having two formats has reduced me to sneaky measures.[/quote]

likewise...

i think theres better chances of snow in miami then me buying a retail ps3 game..

maybe i should follow that buy used strategy..

but thats a complete different ballgame
 
Then you're the one missing out friend. Especially downloadables like Warhawk and Everyday Shooter.
I'll still get to see and play anything I want.
 
[quote name='dallow']Then you're the one missing out friend. Especially downloadables like Warhawk and Everyday Shooter.
I'll still get to see and play anything I want.[/quote]


lmao....


major snore fest
 
How about them Kubrick films out this week!

Lots of pics around the net.
2001 looks the hottest out of all of them.

Looks like A Clockwork Orange is on 2 HD DVDs and 1 BD. Same features.
Just sayin'. ;)
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Stir of Echoes was okay, but it's a pretty typical late-90's M Night Shamylan (sp?) kinda "twisty" suspense film, so it's really only good for one watch-through. I'd go with American Psycho for that category.

Category 2 and 4 are pretty underwhelming to me, and I'd go with Omen for category 5. That's me though.[/quote]
I've seen SoE two or three times (and have it on DVD) and like it ok, I guess. Devil's Rejects is straight out since I HATE HATE HATED House of 1,000 Corpses. I didn't like American Psycho at all in the theater, but I was a lot younger when I saw it, so I'm still considering it. Reviews aren't good though--barely better than DVD, apparently, so that was kind of a turnoff.

Was the remake of the Omen any good? I never saw it, though I did like the original.

FWIW, my first disc is "The Lookout". My wife picked it up today when she was out because she wanted me to have something to watch on my new toy (did I mention she rules?). It was the most interesting thing she saw at Meijer, but she said I could exchange it if I didn't want it. The reviews are good though--strong character-driven story--so I think I'll give it a whirl.
 
I too am shocked by those Transformers numbers, considering how at my Target we got 8 in and only sold 2. Also, Transformers still doesn't come close to 300. It sold 250,000 in it's first week, which if you do 2:1 ratio is about 175,000 blu-ray to 75,000 HD-DVD. Which, with the HD-A1 and increasing user base of HD-DVD and the fact that it's exclusive, I Still think 300 has been the most impressive hi-def disc when it comes to sales. So Far Blu-ray's biggest releases are Casino Royale and POTC, lets see if Transformers continues the big surge and outsells those.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Welcome to being format neutral...its by far the best way to go. Now, if you are a horror fan, you have a huge selection of great classic movies.[/quote] I am, and I intend to indulge :)

[quote name='mykevermin']...period? Over 300? Nope.[/quote] If it really did 190k the first week (and I'm not saying it definitely did), then it only has to average 5k/week for the next 3 months to catch up to where 300 is now (12 weeks after release). If it sold even 20k (a 90% drop) its second week out, that drops to an average over the other 11 weeks of 3600/week--about what 300BR is doing in its twelfth week. I think that's MORE than doable. Batman Begins is still selling 1k/week more than a year after release, and Transformers is (IMO) a MUCH bigger title.

But I'll wait to see the Nielsen data (and extrapolate some numbers from it), for sure. 190k seems a bit high to me. I would have guessed 150k TOPS. If it is in fact accurate, either there are a LOT more players out there than we're assuming, Transformers sold a LOT of players, or it has a ~50% attach rate, which would be unprecedented.

[quote name='H.Cornerstone']IIRC, 300 sold 190,000 in the first week on Blu-ray and 95'000 on HD-DVD. So Far Blu-ray's biggest releases are Casino Royale and POTC, lets see if Transformers continues the big surge and outsells those.[/quote]
I think it was 162,500/87,500 the first week, but I'm too damn lazy to look it up. :) As of August 5th (most recent hard numbers we have), Casino Royale had sold 107k (averaging ~1200/week since then, so figure ~119k overall) and POTC:DMC (better selling of the two) had done 54,500. If the 190k is accurate, Transformers blew right past them by a WIDE margin its first week out.
 
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I think it was 162,500/87,500 the first week, but I'm too damn lazy to look it up. :) As of August 5th (most recent hard numbers we have), Casino Royale had sold 107k (averaging ~1200/week since then, so figure ~119k overall) and POTC:DMC (better selling of the two) had done 54,500. If the 190k is accurate, Transformers blew right past them by a WIDE margin its first week out.[/quote]
first off, welcome to the PS3 club, just please promise me you won't complain about it's gaming capabilities when you bought it for the sole reason of being a blu-ray player? 2nd your right, 300 sold 250,000 it's first week out, and those numbers sound familiar. Either way considering how much the HI-def disc user base has grown in the past 4 months with all the deals, 250,000 back then is FAR FAR more impressive than transformers numbers now. I thought Casino Royale and POTC had been selling well since they came out? They are usually in the top 10 in sales (which isn't saying much, I know) And I too am very skeptical of those 190'000 numbers. It just sounds like typical company "shipped" = sales.
 
[quote name='dallow']How about them Kubrick films out this week!

Lots of pics around the net.
2001 looks the hottest out of all of them.

Looks like A Clockwork Orange is on 2 HD DVDs and 1 BD. Same features.
Just sayin'. ;)[/QUOTE]

2 Discs = "More Perceived Value"

Gotta give the appropriate HD DVD spin to it.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']That "dying format" just outsold your biggest movie. I don't think even you can spin that into a positive for Blu-ray. Transformers will continue to sell through the Holidays.[/QUOTE]

I don't spin. This is a big move for HD DVD. It would have been a big deal for Paramount if they had released it in both formats. It would have made Paramount the center of attention, not a dying format. And believe me, it is a dying format; the only nation in which there is a war at all is in the United States - everywhere else is damn near strictly BR. So, the best front HD DVD has in the globe is selling 50% of the overall discs its competition is...and I'm supposed to believe that it's not a dying format?

[quote name='GizmoGC']http://www.cnbc.com/id/21423304[/QUOTE]

I fully expect you to complain about the multiple SKUs that MS is offering, how that confuses consumers, confuses developers, and is a counterproductive business model. Just like you did with the 40GB PS3.

[quote name='LinkinPrime']So its ok for you to support BR 100% but its not ok for me to support HD DVD 100%?

Or are you considered a Sony "plant"?[/QUOTE]

Oh, no. It's not strictly about format. I'm no plant. I can say that, see? Becuase...(drum roll)...I'm not on anybody's payroll to promote a certain console and format. I'm no 100% convinced you are, but just a fraction shy, y'know? Nothing against you, as you do keep the 360 forums tidy...but just be open about it.

EDIT: geko, that's one of the reasons I don't believe that Transformers will best 300 so easily: format exclusivity minimizes the people who can buy it, and if it approaches 500K, that's damn near 100% market saturation for HD DVD owners, barring some unexpected skyrocketing of sales of the players.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I don't spin. This is a big move for HD DVD. It would have been a big deal for Paramount if they had released it in both formats. It would have made Paramount the center of attention, not a dying format. And believe me, it is a dying format; the only nation in which there is a war at all is in the United States - everywhere else is damn near strictly BR. So, the best front HD DVD has in the globe is selling 50% of the overall discs its competition is...and I'm supposed to believe that it's not a dying format?[/QUOTE]

...Yet Transformers just sold 190k to a dead format :cool:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Oh, no. It's not strictly about format. I'm no plant. I can say that, see? Becuase...(drum roll)...I'm not on anybody's payroll to promote a certain console and format. I'm no 100% convinced you are, but just a fraction shy, y'know? Nothing against you, as you do keep the 360 forums tidy...but just be open about it.[/quote]

I wish I was getting paid by MS and Toshiba, then I'd be rich. Unfortunately its just a hobby. I know what you meant though, but you missed my point. You seem to have a way around words, you always have to make it seem like you're always right no matter what with a touch of arrogance...guess you picked that up from Sony.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']...Yet Transformers just sold 190k to a dead format :cool:[/quote]

What big movie does HD-DVD have coming out After Transformers? Shreak and Bourne identity, that's about it. Do I even need to start listing all the ones coming out for Blu-ray?
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']first off, welcome to the PS3 club, just please promise me you won't complain about it's gaming capabilities when you bought it for the sole reason of being a blu-ray player?[/quote] Actually, not the sole reason. I will play the occasional PS3 game (Heavenly Sword seems pretty decent so far), but I wanted one of the 60GBs before they were gone (stock at my local BB dropped from 40 to 8, er, 7 :) in two days of the promo) because I have a lot of PS2 games. But yes, the primary reason is definitely BR playback. You'll hear no complaints about gaming from me, though, I will promise that. The PS store on the other hand....holy shit is that bad. :p

[quote name='mykevermin']EDIT: geko, that's one of the reasons I don't believe that Transformers will best 300 so easily: format exclusivity minimizes the people who can buy it, and if it approaches 500K, that's damn near 100% market saturation for HD DVD owners, barring some unexpected skyrocketing of sales of the players.[/quote]
I just realized we were talking about two different things. I agree with you 1000000% that Transformers will never overtake 300 combined on both formats. However, if the current figures are accurate, it's quite possible it could outsell 300 BR in the long run.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']What big movie does HD-DVD have coming out After Transformers? Shreak and Bourne identity, that's about it. Do I even need to start listing all the ones coming out for Blu-ray?[/QUOTE]

Please. The only big ones I know of is Spider-Man 3 and Pirates 3 which are both tired franchises. Neither will sell as many copies as Transformers.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Please. The only big ones I know of is Spider-Man 3 and Pirates 3 which are both tired franchises. Neither will sell as many copies as Transformers.[/quote]
What about Cars, Die hard, Rush hour 3, Simpsons Movie, Superbad and Hairspray? Also The Rock, Con-Air, and Crimson Tide January 8th? Blu-ray has a LOT more big exclusives this year than HD-DVD.
 
[quote name='geko29']Actually, not the sole reason. I will play the occasional PS3 game (Heavenly Sword seems pretty decent so far), but I wanted one of the 60GBs before they were gone (stock at my local BB dropped from 40 to 8, er, 7 :) in two days of the promo) because I have a lot of PS2 games. But yes, the primary reason is definitely BR playback. You'll hear no complaints about gaming from me, though, I will promise that. The PS store on the other hand....holy shit is that bad. :p[/QUOTE]

Promo? What promo?

[quote name='H.Cornerstone']What about Cars, Die hard, Rush hour 3, Simpsons Movie, Superbad and Hairspray? Also The Rock, Con-Air, and Crimson Tide January 8th? Blu-ray has a LOT more big exclusives this year than HD-DVD.[/QUOTE]

TRANSFORMERS!!!!!! That's the only reply from now on.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Promo? What promo?[/quote]
60GB + Heavenly Sword, Lair, or one controller for $500. I made 'em match the Walmart.com promo that included the game and a remote for the same price. My OTD for 60GB, HS, and BD remote was $141 w/tax :D
 
[quote name='geko29']Actually, not the sole reason. I will play the occasional PS3 game (Heavenly Sword seems pretty decent so far), but I wanted one of the 60GBs before they were gone (stock at my local BB dropped from 40 to 8, er, 7 :) in two days of the promo) because I have a lot of PS2 games. But yes, the primary reason is definitely BR playback. You'll hear no complaints about gaming from me, though, I will promise that. The PS store on the other hand....holy shit is that bad. :p


I just realized we were talking about two different things. I agree with you 1000000% that Transformers will never overtake 300 combined on both formats. However, if the current figures are accurate, it's quite possible it could outsell 300 BR in the long run.[/quote]

thats a smokin deal you got on the ps3, Yeah, the PSN store does suck but you rarely ever use it. I highly recommend Super Stardust HD, that game is pure awesomeness.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime'] you always have to make it seem like you're always right no matter what with a touch of arrogance...guess you picked that up from Sony.[/quote]

touche...

you should see him in the wrestling thread..

atleast i provide well thought out and analyzed comments and observations. All myke seems to do all the time is yell out random profanities

:bouncy:
 
[quote name='guyver2077']touche...

you should see him in the wrestling thread..

atleast i provide well thought out and analyzed comments and observations. All myke seems to do all the time is yell out random profanities

:bouncy:[/QUOTE]

:whistle2:s
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']What about Cars, Die hard, Rush hour 3, Simpsons Movie, Superbad and Hairspray? Also The Rock, Con-Air, and Crimson Tide January 8th? Blu-ray has a LOT more big exclusives this year than HD-DVD.[/QUOTE]

Catalog, Bad movie that is PG13 only for Blu-ray, temp. Blu-ray exclusive, Animated movie from a show thats been on TV for 18 years, AWESOME MOVIE, and temp. Blu-ray exclusive. Then we have catalog, catalog, and catalog. :cool:
 
die hard 4 and simpsons ill keep an eye out.. i got lucky with the fye glitch and scored silver surfer for 15.. hopefully a deal comes for these other fox movies.. its a shame these fox movies usually retail for 34.99 instore

ill def jump on spidey set and pirates 3 somehow...

I wasnt going to jump on shrek 3 but dreamworks won me over with their impressive extras...they continue to push the limits of features and web enabled content.

Ultimatum looks like another must buy.....

Seems we also have alot of good comedies this holiday... chuck and larry and superbad were pretty funny
 
Sad. I have several Blu-ray movies I want to buy, but I see the studios "Sony" and "Buena Vista" next to them so I am now trained to just wait for the next BOGO sale.

Hostel I & II, Scary Movie...soon I'm sure. Soon.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Sad. I have several Blu-ray movies I want to buy, but I see the studios "Sony" and "Buena Vista" next to them so I am now trained to just wait for the next BOGO sale.

Hostel I & II, Scary Movie...soon I'm sure. Soon.[/QUOTE]

...waitaminute. People BUY catalog titles? I thought they didn't, judging from your post above.

:cool: yourself, Chachi.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']...waitaminute. People BUY catalog titles? I thought they didn't, judging from your post above.

:cool: yourself, Chachi.[/QUOTE]

People do buy catalog titles, but not in huge amounts and not all at once. Besides a small few from both formats I don't think any catalog title has ever broken 20k the first week (POTC 1/2, King Kong are the only ones I can think of as of right now). Hell, some new releases don't even break 5k the first week (The Condemned for instance)
 
[quote name='guyver2077']sure i like catalog titles...

but not fucking ancient ones...

i would KILL for mortal kombat and the mask from newline....cmon![/QUOTE]

And judging from your comments from the HD DVD thread, you're also eagerly anticipating Sony releasing Resident Evil at $20 on HD DVD. :lol:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']And judging from your comments from the HD DVD thread, you're also eagerly anticipating Sony releasing Resident Evil at $20 on HD DVD. :lol:[/quote]

yea.. seems like a thread based on a dying format seems to attract all sorts of ppl

bad taste? are you kidding? these titles represent motion picture at its finest!

add ace ventura to that list!
 
My dream catalog titles would be the classic Universal monster movies. It would have been perfect for October. There's a lot to consider when handling such old films.
 
[quote name='dallow']You have such poor taste.
But it's people like you that help keep HD media afloat, so thank you.[/QUOTE]

I heart dallow.

Too bad people forget, yourself not included, a backlog of catalog titles as well as Foreign and Art films may push someone to go HD.
 
nice, my RE1 import will be at my house when i get home

hopefully the cgi won't look like crap like in RE: Apoc on blu ray

i'll let you know
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Sad. I have several Blu-ray movies I want to buy, but I see the studios "Sony" and "Buena Vista" next to them so I am now trained to just wait for the next BOGO sale.

Hostel I & II, Scary Movie...soon I'm sure. Soon.[/quote]

I have never seen someone get so bent out of shape over a deal. You really need to examine your reason for coming here looking for deals if actually finding a good one is going to cause you so to be so distraught.
 
[quote name='rsigley']nice, my RE1 import will be at my house when i get home

hopefully the cgi won't look like crap like in RE: Apoc on blu ray

i'll let you know[/quote]


yea apoc looked kinda crappy.. heres hoping res evil 1 and 2 (on hd) have better transferes.. im all over 1 very soon
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']That fucker doesn't know when to quit...I seriously hope that they get a different director for the sequel.[/quote]

You hope they get a different director solely because of what he thinks about the format war? I think you are taking this "war" a little too seriously. He just wants to make his money, and he thinks they would have made more with blu ray.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']You hope they get a different director solely because of what he thinks about the format war? I think you are taking this "war" a little too seriously. He just wants to make his money, and he thinks they would have made more with blu ray.[/quote]He would have.

More than likely, they would have sold over half a million discs if on both formats.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']any disc would sell more if on both formats.....

sony should release spidey on hd so they can make more money[/quote]


That situation is completely different since the movie was made by sony pictures. The exclusive agreement between paramount and HD-DVD came about just a few months ago (wasn't it August?). I am sure he wanted the movie released on both formats at that point so that he could get that fat check from all the sales. Anyone who has a stake in something is always going to want maximum returns and he saw his ability to get them minimized by this agreement. Of course he has a right to be angry IMO.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']any disc would sell more if on both formats.....

sony should release spidey on hd so they can make more money[/quote]
Exactly same situation here. If Sony wanted to make more money then why not go neutral...its the same crap everytime.

[quote name='CaseyRyback']You hope they get a different director solely because of what he thinks about the format war? I think you are taking this "war" a little too seriously. He just wants to make his money, and he thinks they would have made more with blu ray.[/quote]

Michael Bay's job was to direct the film not to direct what formats the movie should end up on. I think he's just putting his foot in his mouth and sooner or later its going to get him into trouble with the studios. He's making Paramount look bad by speaking out like this, if he wants to support the film, he needs to support Paramounts decision and shut the hell up.

Its not that I'd want a different director based soley on his High Def opinions but rather someone that can make the Transformers the stars of the film instead of being supporting characters to the humans. I enjoyed the film, I thought it was great, but now that I've seen it more than once, I've taken in consideration all of the negative feedback that the film received and I'm starting to see what all of the fuss was about, but in the end its still a movie, made to entertain and it does its job well.
 
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