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[quote name='dallow']Wow, I laugh at you then.[/QUOTE]

my brain is all cloudy

why is it funny that i only buy hd movies that have replay value and are fantastic?
 
[quote name='Sporadic']my brain is all cloudy

why is it funny that i only buy hd movies that have replay value and are fantastic?[/quote]Have you been drinking too? I have.
I know some of the movies you've bought.
I wouldn't call a quarter of them fantastic.

Same goes for me, I've bought some crap on BD but because there's just not much out thre.
But you've bought in bulk.
 
[quote name='dallow']Have you been drinking too? I have.
I know some of the movies you've bought.
I wouldn't call a quarter of them fantastic.

Same goes for me, I've bought some crap on BD but because there's just not much out thre.
But you've bought in bulk.[/QUOTE]

Quality is all opinion based but if you want something to go by just about all of my movies are rated above 75% of Rottentomatoes.

Just because I buy alot of movies doesn't mean that a vast majority of them are bad especially when I sell the ones I don't like and rent everything else from Blockbuster Online.
 
Quality is definitly subjective.

I bought Robocop.
But pretty much only because I loved it as a kid, and pretned to be Robocop.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']hows the onkyo 505? noticed it was on sale at cc[/quote]HDMI is video only. No audio.

For 5.1-7.1 HD audio you'd have to use the 8 channel analog outputs.
Which the A2 has (6) and PS3 doesn't.
 
Yeah, the 505 and 575 are HDMI switching only. They can't upconvert, they can't extract sound from HDMI, they can just decide which one goes unmolested to your TV. The 605 is the lowest model that can upconvert analog video to HDMI, and also the lowest one that can accept audio over HDMI.

And actually the HD-A2 only has stereo analogs. If you want 5.1 analogs you need an A1, XA1, XA2 or A35. For Blu-Ray you need any standalone player except the LG combo.
 
[quote name='geko29']Yeah, the 505 and 575 are HDMI switching only. They can't upconvert, they can't extract sound from HDMI, they can just decide which one goes unmolested to your TV. The 605 is the lowest model that can upconvert analog video to HDMI, and also the lowest one that can accept audio over HDMI.

And actually the HD-A2 only has stereo analogs. If you want 5.1 analogs you need an A1, XA1, XA2 or A35. For Blu-Ray you need any standalone player except the LG combo.[/quote]

Wow, I'm surprised the HD formats haven't taken off when everything is so simple to understand :)
 
[quote name='geko29']And actually the HD-A2 only has stereo analogs. If you want 5.1 analogs you need an A1, XA1, XA2 or A35. For Blu-Ray you need any standalone player except the LG combo.[/quote]Ah ok, didn't know the A2 was missing that.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Anyone know a good site I can import Korean HDM from? Yes I know there are Korean movies on HD DVD in Japan; however, I'm looking for Korean exclusives I might be interested in.[/quote]

Except for Old Boy, Korean movies are rubbish.

And I live in Korea so I'm allowed to say that.
 
[quote name='benjamouth']Wow, I'm surprised the HD formats haven't taken off when everything is so simple to understand :)[/quote]
To be fair, things weren't much different in the early years of DVD. Not many receivers had S/PDIF inputs, and only a few DVD players had 5.1 analog outputs. Then you had DTS, and not all players had that. And even if your player DID support DTS and your receiver had S/PDIF inputs, IT might not support DTS, so you were back to needing a player with 5.1 analog outputs. Then some players had just composite, some also had S-video, but only a few much more expensive ones had component. And even they didn't have wideband component or progressive scan.
 
[quote name='Nephlabobo']Except for Old Boy, Korean movies are rubbish.

And I live in Korea so I'm allowed to say that.[/quote]

Chinese action movies FTW
 
[quote name='Nephlabobo']Except for Old Boy, Korean movies are rubbish.

And I live in Korea so I'm allowed to say that.[/QUOTE]

I was talking about North Korean movies, with Kim Jong Il saving the world from...oh, I dunno. Imperialist pigs?

;)
 
Damn and its not even chrismas... maybe they released too early.. cause now Blu ray has some time to make one of their players really cheap... but no way they can get down to 100 dollars... though. However... I'd give some damn rebates!
 
[quote name='geko29']And AVS has officially closed their HD DVD/Blu-Ray forums...... :([/QUOTE]

:whistle2:s Was a reason given? I never read any threads there, but the Blu-Ray.com cats hated that place.
 
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/announcement.php?f=149&a=116

[quote name='AVS Notice']To the Members and Guests of AVS Forum:

Many of you know first hand that AVS Forum is first and foremost a site dedicated to helping others get the best out of the equipment they own. We promote the in home audio and video experience. People helping people.

With that said, we are sad to say that this is only the second time in the history of AVS Forum where we needed to close down some sections of the site for a short time. In this case, it is the HD format areas for HD DVD and Blu-ray which will be closed to new posts.

Why are we taking such an action? Simple, we want you all to know a few things that we like and that we do not like about what has been taking place here on the site and elsewhere. We hope to also give some of the most vocal posters in those sections time to think about what they may be doing to the site and the formats they may support in general.

First, AVS Forum as a site and a company that is NEUTRAL on the format war. Anyone who says otherwise just is not informed as to what AVS Forum is all about. In fact, we had both Blu-ray and HD DVD as sponsors at the AVS Forum CEDIA 2007 party in September where both camps had a chance to say a few words to the 400+ people that attended. Both camps were outstanding for their support of the AVS Forum community and we look forward to working with both as we have been. Also both sides have been sponsors of the site by running ads here to which helps support the site. We thank them both for this support and their continued support. Without the ads and the ad dollars for them and other site sponsors, AVS Forum could not operate.

Second, We love the HD formats in general. In fact Alan, David, Jason, and others who help here use both formats. Why? Simple, we love movies and care to watch them in hi-def form no matter what that may be. (Yes, we also owned DVHS!) No matter how this all shakes out in the end, we will still be watching movies and doing so happily in 1080P.

Third, while AVS Forum seems to be the top place this war is being fought, we really do not like how the members are acting as of late. We have until now tried to deal with it as we can, but now it has come to this. We have seen members attacking other members not only in debate, which is the right way, but with physical threats that have involved police and possible legal action. This type of behavior is just not welcome here PERIOD. To the extent that some of you have gone to support either format is just, well, disgusting and has no place on this site. The amount of misinformation posted here and other places on-line HELPS NO ONE. You are doing NO ONE any good, not even your own format of choice. Why? Think about it, you post false information that then later proves to be just that, false, how does that help the cause? In fact it hurts it. So do not believe all that you read and restate it as fact.

AVS Forum gets it from both sides..."You removed my post. I support HD DVD and you all back Blu-ray so you censor my posts!!! Your a #$#@$#@!!!!" And on the flip side... "You and your site is nothing more than a shill for HD DVD, I will seek legal action for my post removals and the truth will come out." People, come on now, AVS Forum has been on the net long before digital projectors. When DVD's were still a new thing. To think we are paid off or bought out by one side or another is just, well, silly not to mention FALSE. If we were to do that, well, the site would not be like it is today.

It is by the actions we take to try to keep the site a helpful place that leads members to accuse us as bias one way or another. This is all based on what was removed. The moderators (mod) are accused by BOTH sides of being one sided. Kind of funny really for the member who does the yelling, only does so based on his attack of one format being removed thus accuses the mod of being biased. Yet that same mod may have removed 5 posts for the "other side" for the same type of behavior. Go figure. To the people saying such things, you really do not know what takes place now do you? You only see your side. You were wronged after all. That's ok, we are all only human and most of that time that is our nature to feel hurt by such actions. So please think about it before you attack the mods or the site. You may just understand we are trying to keep things from getting worse.

For those of you who think we are all HD DVD, this is NOT our doing and NOT the case. Remember, AVS Forum is known in the industry as the site for the early adopters. As such, the first one out of the gate would look to have more support than any other based on the early units and posts here on the site. It is catchy and thus starts to stick. But AVS Forum, as a site, is NOT for one format or another as mentioned. It would not be our place to make such a choice.

After all, their is a lot more to this site than just these formats. We see over 200 thousand people a day and receive over 9,000 new posts daily. We even see 500+ NEW member registrations a day. People are all not here for just the format war. Not even close. But seeing we are the largest site of it's kind on the net today, we do get the bulk of the format war activity right to our doorstep.

With that said, when we do reopen the areas, and we will, please, please be so kind to THINK before you post in these sections. If your post is self serving to just attack the other format, please do not post and go elsewhere. If you are posting just to provoke others, please go elsewhere. If you are not helping someone in someway and just care to put down their choice of product, please go elsewhere. We will not allow for the threats and the outright bashing to take place. We can close the account and even remove all the posts made by the account. As such, what a waist of time some would have had on the site.

All in all we kindly ask you to please consider what you are posting before you post it. Also consider your actions towards others and that included the mods, the admins, and the site itself. Remember, false and misleading information posted here or elsewhere can lead to issues for yourself or your place of employment if posting from a corporate network. One of our favorite movies lines..."evil begets evil"...so please be helpful.

Thank you all for your help in keeping AVS Forum the place to be for help, support, and good information. We are truly sorry to those of you affected by this that should not be.

Side note...Please do not PM us or contact us about this (admins or mods). You see, we already hear it all from both sides good and bad. Not to mention we get enough mail and PM's as it is in our normal operations. If sent, they will not be replied to. Thank you for your understanding.

AVS Forum[/quote]
 
[quote name='dallow']Yeah, my first DVD player was S-Video tops, no optical.[/QUOTE]

Wow , I thought you were Mr. Top-end Technophile .

That being said I'm surprised you weren't [seems like you weren't] way into the original Xbox .
Hi-def output , DD 5.1 in every game , except like literally one .

I guess your standards were really low back then .
 
Yeah, 90k is impressive. I wonder how many players they could have sold if they had more in stock.

At least selling them this early will get them in people's houses to show off to the rest of the family on Thanksgiving.

But what I really wish was the price was was being fought with disk prices. I mean price dops are nice for people who don't have an HD format yet. But how about helping out us who already have players ?
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Oh great, its The Mana Knight Part II.

Last I checked it was the BDA who was selling movies for half off several times. Last I checked it was the BDA who has dropped players $600 since inception.
Last I checked it was HD DVD who has sold more stand alones then Blu-ray players.
Last I checked Toshiba has sold more stand alones then Sony, Pioneer, Panasonic, Samsung COMBINED
Last I checked HD DVD "2.0" has been here since April of 2006.
Last I checked the 360 AO has sold more then all Blu-ray stand alones combined.
Last I checked Paramount and Dreamworks gave the middle finger to the BDA.[/QUOTE]Last I checked BD movies are ahead in sales every week, and last I checked studios make money off of the movies and not the players.
 
[quote name='TimPV3']Last I checked BD movies are ahead in sales every week, and last I checked studios make money off of the movies and not the players.[/quote]

Just ignore gizmo, he's blinded by the red goggles. :)
I just love how everyone says that gamers won't keep a format running, and yet continue to point out how well the HD-DVD add-on for the 360 is selling, amazing isn't it?
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Just ignore gizmo, he's blinded by the red goggles. :)
I just love how everyone says that gamers won't keep a format running, and yet continue to point out how well the HD-DVD add-on for the 360 is selling, amazing isn't it?[/QUOTE]Good point. I check this thread every other day and the contradictory attach rate bullshit annoys me to no end.

The network abilities of HD-DVD sound interesting, but their use on 300 seems like a weak version of YouTube. When I put in a movie, odds are I want to watch it, if I want to talk about it, I have the internet.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Although I agree that 90k in a weekend is impressive, how many of those do you think were people buying a 2nd player for their house?[/quote]
Just based on what I saw on AVS (which I think you'll agree is the crowd most likely to be buying a 2nd player--of either format), not too many. A bunch of longtime owners there bought multiple players as gifts (5 was the most I saw), but I only saw roughly a dozen or so posts of old-schoolers that bought them for themselves. There was, however, a sizeable influx of new owners that joined up in the past few days who'd never had HDM before.

Of course, this is all conjecture and heresay, but that's my observation. FWIW I did buy my second HD DVD player this weekend, but it wasn't an A2. It actually cost many, many times what the WM sale price was.....but then again, it does just a bit more than play movies. :)
 
[quote name='geko29']Just based on what I saw on AVS (which I think you'll agree is the crowd most likely to be buying a 2nd player--of either format), not too many. A bunch of longtime owners there bought multiple players as gifts (5 was the most I saw), but I only saw roughly a dozen or so posts of old-schoolers that bought them for themselves. There was, however, a sizeable influx of new owners that joined up in the past few days who'd never had HDM before.

Of course, this is all conjecture and heresay, but that's my observation. FWIW I did buy my second HD DVD player this weekend, but it wasn't an A2. It actually cost many, many times what the WM sale price was.....but then again, it does just a bit more than play movies. :)[/quote]
Well even buying them as gifts as something, but still good to know. It will be interesting how the BDA camp decides to counter-act this. Because while Having Big time Movies like Die-Hard, Pirates, Pixar films and Spider-man are a huge selling point, they need to do something BIG as well to end this thing and put a stranglehold on the Hi-def market.

And on the 2nd part, do we even want to know?

I am just curious to see how people will react when they realize that most Hi-def movies are 25-30$ instead of the 15$ wal-mart had going on at the time.

And Tim, that's been one of my arguments all the time, paying 5$ more for 300 to get Interactivity and A DVD side is pointless IMO and not worth it. Me and my friends have always said "Hey, does Your 300 HD-DVD play the movie? That's weird, so does my blu-ray!"
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']And on the 2nd part, do we even want to know?[/quote]
I don't know if you do or not, but I needed a new laptop for school and other tomfoolery (IBM T23 ain't cuttin' it anymore), so I scored a reasonably loaded HP 9500t.

[quote name='H.Cornerstone'] I am just curious to see how people will react when they realize that most Hi-def movies are 25-30$ instead of the 15$ wal-mart had going on at the time.[/quote]
Indeed it will be interesting. Early signs are good though. Typically the top 100 HiDef titles at Amazon are ~70 Blu-Ray to ~30 HD DVD. In the past few days this has shifted to 50:50. In and of itself, of course, this means nothing, but I think things are looking up..... :)

[quote name='H.Cornerstone'] And Tim, that's been one of my arguments all the time, paying 5$ more for 300 to get Interactivity and A DVD side is pointless IMO and not worth it.[/quote]
And I think that's why Warner is backing off on the whole combo thing. People don't want to pay extra for the DVD side in particular. Somebody on AVS tallied up the nielsen numbers for the dual format Warner titles a few months ago, and they found that where the HD DVD was a combo, the Blu-Ray version outsold it on average 1.71:1. But when the HD DVD was NOT a combo, it outsold the Blu-Ray on average 1.07:1. Take it with a grain of salt (or the whole shaker if you like), but it's an interesting datapoint.

But then again, there's always studios like Fox, and sometimes Paramount, that think it's ok to push a catalog title with NO extras WHATSOEVER for $40. And I think that is to blame for Sony now demanding $44 for titles that DO have special features (Spiderman 3, Superbad, etc). Prices (at least MSRP-wise) are going the wrong way if the studios want the average consumer to buy.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Just ignore gizmo, he's blinded by the red goggles. :)
I just love how everyone says that gamers won't keep a format running, and yet continue to point out how well the HD-DVD add-on for the 360 is selling, amazing isn't it?[/QUOTE]

360 AO is guaranteed to be used as a HD movie player. PS3 is not.

Gamers will not "make" a movie format, regardless if its HD DVD or Blu-ray. They will buy movies now and then, but over time, the regular J6P will be the one who buys the SA players. Many people bought a PS2 as a DVD player...but now those numbers are pretty much useless. Sony is trying to build a movie format on a video game system, Microsoft is not. If they were, it would have been built-in from Day 1.
 
[quote name='TimPV3']Last I checked BD movies are ahead in sales every week, and last I checked studios make money off of the movies and not the players.[/QUOTE]

Overall? Sure. But thats what happens when you have 10x the amount of possible players in people hands. Still, there are a decent amount of catalog titles available on both formats where HD DVD has sold more. With 90k+ HD DVD players sold in the matter of days, I expect to see several older catalog titles climb in the ranks (Batman for one).

If Studios cared that much, you wouldn't have 3 studios that support HD DVD exclusively, and one, Warner, who has supported both, regardless if one movie (300) has sold twice as many on Blu-ray vs. HD DVD.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']Damn and its not even chrismas... maybe they released too early.. cause now Blu ray has some time to make one of their players really cheap... but no way they can get down to 100 dollars... though. However... I'd give some damn rebates![/QUOTE]

The BDA stated they have no intentions of running any Black Friday type sales or going any lower then $399. Their going to price themselves right out of the format if they don't get a $300 player by Thanksgiving. Hell, the Sharp player is already $399 and has gotten pretty good reviews, $299 for that would be awesome. Of course, it would still be a Profile 1.0 obsolete player, but its something, right?
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Overall? Sure. But thats what happens when you have 10x the amount of possible players in people hands. Still, there are a decent amount of catalog titles available on both formats where HD DVD has sold more.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure studios are more concerned with overrall movie sales, and not just a 'decent amount of catalog titles' (how much is a decent amount, anyway?).
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']If Studios cared that much, you wouldn't have 3 studios that support HD DVD exclusively, and one, Warner, who has supported both, regardless if one movie (300) has sold twice as many on Blu-ray vs. HD DVD.[/QUOTE]

They obviously do care about sales, but, like all exclusive studios, they are probably receiving funds through some other source. It makes no other sense to be anything but neutral without some sort of financial incentive from other side.
 
[quote name='geko29']I don't know if you do or not, but I needed a new laptop for school and other tomfoolery (IBM T23 ain't cuttin' it anymore), so I scored a reasonably loaded HP 9500t.


Indeed it will be interesting. Early signs are good though. Typically the top 100 HiDef titles at Amazon are ~70 Blu-Ray to ~30 HD DVD. In the past few days this has shifted to 50:50. In and of itself, of course, this means nothing, but I think things are looking up..... :)


And I think that's why Warner is backing off on the whole combo thing. People don't want to pay extra for the DVD side in particular. Somebody on AVS tallied up the nielsen numbers for the dual format Warner titles a few months ago, and they found that where the HD DVD was a combo, the Blu-Ray version outsold it on average 1.71:1. But when the HD DVD was NOT a combo, it outsold the Blu-Ray on average 1.07:1. Take it with a grain of salt (or the whole shaker if you like), but it's an interesting datapoint.

But then again, there's always studios like Fox, and sometimes Paramount, that think it's ok to push a catalog title with NO extras WHATSOEVER for $40. And I think that is to blame for Sony now demanding $44 for titles that DO have special features (Spiderman 3, Superbad, etc). Prices (at least MSRP-wise) are going the wrong way if the studios want the average consumer to buy.[/quote]
I agree, charging 40$ for an extra-empty catalog title is ridiculous and sony charging more for ones with them is also ridiculous, especially when the Transfer is crappy (I mean you MGM And your ROBOCOP!) And that datapoint is interesting, however, when the top selling Warner movies are The Departed and 300, both combo movies, and as non-combo movies are a new thing, I think that makes that datapoint stastically insignificant. And on the laptop, I thought you baught some HD-DVD recorder drive thing of a jiggy that can record HI-def tv shows to HD-DVD or what not.

And as we have stated Amazon sales are useful and useless, and I think that whole sales things has more to do with lack of Blu-ray movies coming out and HD-DVD tiles coming out. I will see how it is when you have Cars, The pixar movies, Spider-man, Die hard, Pirates, The Rock, and all the other movies coming out in January.

And aww man, Beowulf is Paramount! Animation movies are awesome too! Argghhh (yes sadly I have gotten to the point where whenever I see a good movie coming out I look at the studio to see if it will then be on Blu-ray or HD-DVD)

and why can't equilibrium be released over in NA? I would buy that movie in a SECOND.
 
[quote name='KingDox']Yeah, 90k is impressive. I wonder how many players they could have sold if they had more in stock.

At least selling them this early will get them in people's houses to show off to the rest of the family on Thanksgiving.

But what I really wish was the price was was being fought with disk prices. I mean price dops are nice for people who don't have an HD format yet. But how about helping out us who already have players ?[/QUOTE]

They don't care about you; you're already buying movies at a pricepoint 15-30% than DVD, else you wouldn't own a single hidef disc. There will be some sales here and there, but most likely spurned by retailers and not by BDA/HDG.

[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Although I agree that 90k in a weekend is impressive, how many of those do you think were people buying a 2nd player for their house?[/QUOTE]

If you only read forums, every one of those 90K were bought by someone who already owns one. Forums are populated by enthusiasts; you, me, geko, gizmo, and the gang. We're not representative of the potential pool of hidef disc owners. In short, I bet only a few thousand, at best, went to homes that already owned HD DVD players. The casual market is key for either format; you will not find the casual format posting in the CAG format war thread, or else they are, by definition, no longer "casual." ;)

[quote name='GizmoGC']Still, there are a decent amount of catalog titles available on both formats where HD DVD has sold more[/QUOTE]

Source/data/proof, please.

[quote name='GizmoGC']The BDA stated they have no intentions of running any Black Friday type sales or going any lower then $399. Their going to price themselves right out of the format if they don't get a $300 player by Thanksgiving. Hell, the Sharp player is already $399 and has gotten pretty good reviews, $299 for that would be awesome. Of course, it would still be a Profile 1.0 obsolete player, but its something, right?[/QUOTE]

Except for your remark recently that HDG/Toshiba/MS had nothing to do with the recent dumping of HD DVD players this past weekend (though, with people reporting buying players with 9/06 manufacture dates, I beg to differ ;)). The BDA can say whatever they want, and the retailers are beholden to themselves. If they want to use BR players as loss leaders, they can. If they want to mark them up 200000000%, they can do that too. Again, you find yourself in a situation where, since you're talking out of both sides of your mouth, you'll find that we all agree with you de facto. If BB wants to sell the 40GB PS3 at $299, or a BR player at that price, come black friday, the BDA can't stop them. Can the BDA persuade manufacturers (since, let's be clear, Blu-Ray players are made by more than one company, which can't be said about the competition) to offer discounts to retailers, or to offer incentives to retailers directly? You betcha.

Y'know, your whole premise is so fuckin' stupid and flimsy that I should have simply said "based on your logic, no product can ever, ever, ever, ever be sold at lower than MSRP, no?" which, of course, is an absurdly untrue point. But, hey, I blathered all the nonsense above. I blame the alcohol; it may make me verbose, but it still makes me smarter than you.
 
[quote name='geko29']Prices (at least MSRP-wise) are going the wrong way if the studios want the average consumer to buy.[/QUOTE]

Preach it from the mountaintop! If I can find Superbad at $23 or less after shipping, I'm on it. I think even Amazon is charging $28 for it. Yech.
 
[quote name='Richlough']Wow , I thought you were Mr. Top-end Technophile .

That being said I'm surprised you weren't [seems like you weren't] way into the original Xbox .
Hi-def output , DD 5.1 in every game , except like literally one .

I guess your standards were really low back then .[/quote]Yeah, that's what happens when you're 12. (start of dvd era)

I wasn't Bwallin' then.

I'm not Mr. Top-End even now, that's geko.
I'm low to mid tier end. And if you want to just insult each other, it'd make (edit: meh, don't need to)


EDIT: And no, I wasn't into the XBox, it's the only mainstream system I've never owned.
I played my PSX and PS2. Mostly Japanese imports, and 2D games.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']The BDA stated they have no intentions of running any Black Friday type sales or going any lower then $399. Their going to price themselves right out of the format if they don't get a $300 player by Thanksgiving. Hell, the Sharp player is already $399 and has gotten pretty good reviews, $299 for that would be awesome. Of course, it would still be a Profile 1.0 obsolete player, but its something, right?[/QUOTE]

well I definitely wouldn't expect them to do any black friday deals.. [man I love those!] but yeah anything is better than nothing. BDA has options.. 90k, heck I know there's another 10k of those 100 dollar players... so lets just say.. 100k new players out of the market. I definitely think that warrants some action.

If BDA don't want to use rebates, then, make some deals.. 100 dollars off any BD player, [instantly]with the purchase of Sony and Samsung, Panasonic HDTVs over 999. 100 dollars off PS3...[instantly] w/ the purchase of an HDTV over 999, people are going to be spending thousands of dollars at a time, over the holidays. And if you have a customer thats willing to spend 1200, then what's another 200 or 300.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']

If BDA don't want to use rebates, then, make some deals.. 100 dollars off any BD player, [instantly]with the purchase of Sony and Samsung, Panasonic HDTVs over 999. 100 dollars off PS3...[instantly] w/ the purchase of an HDTV over 999, people are going to be spending thousands of dollars at a time, over the holidays. And if you have a customer thats willing to spend 1200, then what's another 200 or 300.[/QUOTE]

Best Buy already does that for them. With their HD advantage program you get $100 off a blu ray player with the purchase of a $999 and up TV. That exact program is already put in place by the retailer.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Preach it from the mountaintop! If I can find Superbad at $23 or less after shipping, I'm on it. I think even Amazon is charging $28 for it. Yech.[/quote]

Amen to that, the damn things are way too expensive, but it's early days so I guess they'll come down.

After paying nearly $30 for the travesty that is Transformers I won't be buying any more HD discs for a while, a long while.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']Best Buy already does that for them. With their HD advantage program you get $100 off a blu ray player with the purchase of a $999 and up TV. That exact program is already put in place by the retailer.[/QUOTE]


Oh that's already in place... I didn't know I must have seen it and remembered it subconsciously.


you know what.. Cyberhome and Coby are going to decide the format war.....
 
[quote name='Richlough']Wow , I thought you were Mr. Top-end Technophile .

That being said I'm surprised you weren't [seems like you weren't] way into the original Xbox .
Hi-def output , DD 5.1 in every game , except like literally one .

I guess your standards were really low back then .[/quote]

yea original xbox was awesome... microsoft definitely took it to the max
 
Bought Cars and Ratatouille, but I'll wait until I can get family to come over and watch together.

I bought CoD4 as well, so I'm busy with that.
Then Mario Galaxy and Uncharted next week.
 
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