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[quote name='geko29']I did too. I wasn't planning on it, but $33.11 shipped was way too good to pass up.[/quote]
That's a great deal, my friend did the same thing, Getting two demo discs for 33$ is a steal.
And about Transformers, I went over to my friends house and watched it on HD-DVD and man the film grain in that movie is HORRIBLE! I hate film grain, they need to get that crap out of movies, 300 did the same thing (although purposefully) and it almost ruined the transfer for me.
That's a great deal, my friend did the same thing, Getting two demo discs for 33$ is a steal.
And about Transformers, I went over to my friends house and watched it on HD-DVD and man the film grain in that movie is HORRIBLE! I hate film grain, they need to get that crap out of movies, 300 did the same thing (although purposefully) and it almost ruined the transfer for me.
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[quote name='mykevermin'] The casual market is key for either format; you will not find the casual format posting in the CAG format war thread, or else they are, by definition, no longer "casual." 
[/quote]I've posted in this thread but I don't care which format "wins," I just want the "best" to come out on on top (defined by price, catalog, etc.) so I can have a clear choice at some point. Can I still be part of the casual market?
[/quote]I've posted in this thread but I don't care which format "wins," I just want the "best" to come out on on top (defined by price, catalog, etc.) so I can have a clear choice at some point. Can I still be part of the casual market?
If you bought the 360 add on during the Heroes deal, check here:
http://www.cheapyd.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3552607#post3552607
http://www.cheapyd.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3552607#post3552607
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[quote name='dallow']No gentlegamer.
Casual doesn't care about 'the best'.[/quote]So casual means "no standards" . . ?
Casual doesn't care about 'the best'.[/quote]So casual means "no standards" . . ?
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*insert Wii joke here*
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[quote name='Snake2715']why dont you go play some PS3 games Myke?[/QUOTE]
ZOMG CUZ THERE ARE NONEZ!~!!!
:lol: Have a sense of humor, willya?
ZOMG CUZ THERE ARE NONEZ!~!!!
:lol: Have a sense of humor, willya?
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[quote name='Snake2715']I do, believe me. It was really just to see your reaction and I could have almost written it before you did.
I am smiling now so thank you. Seriously.[/QUOTE]
I'm that predictable, eh?
Well, crap.
I am smiling now so thank you. Seriously.[/QUOTE]
I'm that predictable, eh?
Well, crap.
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm that predictable, eh?
Well, crap.[/QUOTE]
Before this thread I had no idea how "behind" Sony you were to tell you the truth. Not that thats a bad thing but it shows here!
Still I am entertained whenever I open this thread thats for sure.
Well, crap.[/QUOTE]
Before this thread I had no idea how "behind" Sony you were to tell you the truth. Not that thats a bad thing but it shows here!
Still I am entertained whenever I open this thread thats for sure.
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[quote name='Snake2715']Before this thread I had no idea how "behind" Sony you were to tell you the truth. Not that thats a bad thing but it shows here!
Still I am entertained whenever I open this thread thats for sure.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I don't think "behind Blu-Ray" is comparable to being "behind Sony" (in the game sense).
I'm not going to go the "I own all three systems and DSL/PSP" route in order to prove a lack of bias. People own systems and still have favorites, so that's never an indicator of anything, truth be told.
I will say that I'm pretty sour on the 360 right now. While it has very, very, very good games, the hardware reliability problems are infuriating. I just got my third 360 (overall, so I've had two die on me in 1.5 years) a week back, and it's from 9/2006, and sounds a lot like "Wheezy" from TV's "The Jeffersons" when it's booted up. Achievements are cute, and a BRILLIANT marketing idea...but don't matter much to me, frankly.
I do like the Wii, but probably won't use it for anything other than dedicated Wii titles (your Zelda/Metroid/Mario/Trauma Center and the like). I did buy MLB PowerPros for it, and once I realized that I was going to be using the Classic Controller for the game, I instantly recognized that I was ripped off by the $10 I paid for the Wii version over the PS2 version. Crapola!
As for now, I plan on buying most third-party games on the PS3. It doesn't have XBL's robustness, sure. But, that's not to say that it lacks multiplayer at all. If there are substantial differences in the versions, I'll buy the one that appeals to me the most based on offerings.
It's not my "favorite" system (PS2 is, honestly - and since that plays GHI and II, unlike my PS3, it has that slight edge)...but I'm too sour on the 360 ATM, and look at the Wii as a "supplementary" console, and not a primary one.
Err...I guess I meant to say DOWN WITH HD DVD!
Still I am entertained whenever I open this thread thats for sure.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I don't think "behind Blu-Ray" is comparable to being "behind Sony" (in the game sense).
I'm not going to go the "I own all three systems and DSL/PSP" route in order to prove a lack of bias. People own systems and still have favorites, so that's never an indicator of anything, truth be told.
I will say that I'm pretty sour on the 360 right now. While it has very, very, very good games, the hardware reliability problems are infuriating. I just got my third 360 (overall, so I've had two die on me in 1.5 years) a week back, and it's from 9/2006, and sounds a lot like "Wheezy" from TV's "The Jeffersons" when it's booted up. Achievements are cute, and a BRILLIANT marketing idea...but don't matter much to me, frankly.
I do like the Wii, but probably won't use it for anything other than dedicated Wii titles (your Zelda/Metroid/Mario/Trauma Center and the like). I did buy MLB PowerPros for it, and once I realized that I was going to be using the Classic Controller for the game, I instantly recognized that I was ripped off by the $10 I paid for the Wii version over the PS2 version. Crapola!
As for now, I plan on buying most third-party games on the PS3. It doesn't have XBL's robustness, sure. But, that's not to say that it lacks multiplayer at all. If there are substantial differences in the versions, I'll buy the one that appeals to me the most based on offerings.
It's not my "favorite" system (PS2 is, honestly - and since that plays GHI and II, unlike my PS3, it has that slight edge)...but I'm too sour on the 360 ATM, and look at the Wii as a "supplementary" console, and not a primary one.
Err...I guess I meant to say DOWN WITH HD DVD!
[quote name='dallow']Yeah, that's what happens when you're 12. (start of dvd era)
I wasn't Bwallin' then.
I'm not Mr. Top-End even now, that's geko.
I'm low to mid tier end. And if you want to just insult each other, it'd make (edit: meh, don't need to)
EDIT: And no, I wasn't into the XBox, it's the only mainstream system I've never owned.
I played my PSX and PS2. Mostly Japanese imports, and 2D games.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't trying to insult you , I just thought you were heavy into the specs of hardware and what-not .
It's cool , I thought you were older . You seem older than H.Cornerstone , just by your posts .
Myke on the other hand is probably as old as the sum of both of your ages . :lol:
I wasn't Bwallin' then.
I'm not Mr. Top-End even now, that's geko.
I'm low to mid tier end. And if you want to just insult each other, it'd make (edit: meh, don't need to)
EDIT: And no, I wasn't into the XBox, it's the only mainstream system I've never owned.
I played my PSX and PS2. Mostly Japanese imports, and 2D games.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't trying to insult you , I just thought you were heavy into the specs of hardware and what-not .
It's cool , I thought you were older . You seem older than H.Cornerstone , just by your posts .
Myke on the other hand is probably as old as the sum of both of your ages . :lol:
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Honestly the main reason that I backed up HD DVD was the price and because I have no faith in Sony after...well, look at their history:
top that off with the PS3 being seen as the Gamecube of this generation and I just don't see why so many people stand behind Blu-Ray.
With Toshiba, they have the low cost players as well as MS behind them so that pretty much have a black hole for a wallet so I don't see how it can lose in the end.
After jumping in this thread a while back in the middle, I never really heard Mike's or dallows reasoning behind BR...is it the exclusive studio supports? Or is it the fact that its Sony? I mean, why are you guys so dead set on BR being the "one to own"?
top that off with the PS3 being seen as the Gamecube of this generation and I just don't see why so many people stand behind Blu-Ray.
With Toshiba, they have the low cost players as well as MS behind them so that pretty much have a black hole for a wallet so I don't see how it can lose in the end.
After jumping in this thread a while back in the middle, I never really heard Mike's or dallows reasoning behind BR...is it the exclusive studio supports? Or is it the fact that its Sony? I mean, why are you guys so dead set on BR being the "one to own"?
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Honestly the main reason that I backed up HD DVD was the price and because I have no faith in Sony after...well, look at their history:[/QUOTE]
But BD isn't a Sony only format. It's a collaborative effort that includes Sony, as well as several other companies, much like CDs and DVDs were.
But BD isn't a Sony only format. It's a collaborative effort that includes Sony, as well as several other companies, much like CDs and DVDs were.
[quote name='LinkinPrime']After jumping in this thread a while back in the middle, I never really heard Mike's or dallows reasoning behind BR...is it the exclusive studio supports? Or is it the fact that its Sony? I mean, why are you guys so dead set on BR being the "one to own"?[/QUOTE]
Personally, it just seems like BD has the most potential in the long run, and does have the advantage when it comes to disc space. Everything else: studio support, price, number of movies, etc don't really matter as much to me, as the winning format will acquire all of those either way. Disc size, however, will be exclusive to either format, which is why I base my decision on that.
What is it about HD-DVD that makes it the 'one to own', for some of you guys?
Personally, it just seems like BD has the most potential in the long run, and does have the advantage when it comes to disc space. Everything else: studio support, price, number of movies, etc don't really matter as much to me, as the winning format will acquire all of those either way. Disc size, however, will be exclusive to either format, which is why I base my decision on that.
What is it about HD-DVD that makes it the 'one to own', for some of you guys?
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What is it about HD-DVD that makes it the 'one to own', for some of you guys?[/quote]
$100 players with a ton of free movies and preference for the hd exclusive studios over the bd exclusive studios. Primarily it's the price difference. This is CAG after all.
What is it about HD-DVD that makes it the 'one to own', for some of you guys?[/quote]
$100 players with a ton of free movies and preference for the hd exclusive studios over the bd exclusive studios. Primarily it's the price difference. This is CAG after all.
[quote name='dastly75']$100 players with a ton of free movies and preference for the hd exclusive studios over the bd exclusive studios. Primarily it's the price difference. This is CAG after all.[/QUOTE]
Yea, I can understand that. To me, price is a non-issue. If I find a format too expensive, I'd rather wait for it to drop in price, rather than settle for something, I felt, would not be better in the long run. That's just me though.
Yea, I can understand that. To me, price is a non-issue. If I find a format too expensive, I'd rather wait for it to drop in price, rather than settle for something, I felt, would not be better in the long run. That's just me though.
[quote name='dpatel']Personally, it just seems like BD has the most potential in the long run, and does have the advantage when it comes to disc space. Everything else: studio support, price, number of movies, etc don't really matter as much to me, as the winning format will acquire all of those either way. Disc size, however, will be exclusive to either format, which is why I base my decision on that.
What is it about HD-DVD that makes it the 'one to own', for some of you guys?[/QUOTE]
Universal studios [great movies now] .
It seems you're using two reasons but it's just the same one twice .
Most potential ? And good old disc space .
Are Blu-Ray movie menus anything special ? I know HD-DVD ones are , maybe they have the potential to fit them on their larger disc .
The original Xbox supported DD 5.1 sound , dual layer discs for the start and was the most powerful console of it's generation .
Did you support it based on those facts ?
Sometimes the most power is not enough , average consumers biased/ignorant salepeople and peer pressure can kill just about anything .
Everyone talks about there love for the Dreamcast[the 1st system of its generation] now ,where were they on 9-9-99 ?
They probably hopped on the bandwagon at $99 or $49 if they were lucky , only to bitch about the lack of games .
What is it about HD-DVD that makes it the 'one to own', for some of you guys?[/QUOTE]
Universal studios [great movies now] .
It seems you're using two reasons but it's just the same one twice .
Most potential ? And good old disc space .
Are Blu-Ray movie menus anything special ? I know HD-DVD ones are , maybe they have the potential to fit them on their larger disc .
The original Xbox supported DD 5.1 sound , dual layer discs for the start and was the most powerful console of it's generation .
Did you support it based on those facts ?
Sometimes the most power is not enough , average consumers biased/ignorant salepeople and peer pressure can kill just about anything .
Everyone talks about there love for the Dreamcast[the 1st system of its generation] now ,where were they on 9-9-99 ?
They probably hopped on the bandwagon at $99 or $49 if they were lucky , only to bitch about the lack of games .
[quote name='Richlough']Universal studios [great movies now] .[/QUOTE]
True. I'm not as eager to own all movies at this time, and know that eventually, all movies will end up on one format. No matter what format I go with, I'll be missing out on some great movies somewhere. Universal isn't the only one with 'great movies'.
[quote name='Richlough']It seems you're using two reasons but it's just the same one twice .
Most potential ? And good old disc space .[/QUOTE]
True, I guess that is just one point.
Nope, but, software and features are not exactly format exclusive.
I'm not exactly sure why you keep bringing this up. Besides, games are a bit different. Unlike previous movie formats, one console does NOT end up with all the games in the end. Each movie format war has ended with the winner killing the competition completely and gaining all the movies. Consoles, however, have not been like this. The xbox was definitely a high-end console, but it will never have some games that appeared on the PS2/GCN, so the situation is quite a bit different. For now, each format has exclusive movies, but, if this generation does not end in a two format gen (which, I believe, would be a first), all movies will end up going towards the winning format.
Totally agree. In fact, history has shown the exact opposite. But just because the average consumers support something, doesn't mean it is something I should support.
True. I'm not as eager to own all movies at this time, and know that eventually, all movies will end up on one format. No matter what format I go with, I'll be missing out on some great movies somewhere. Universal isn't the only one with 'great movies'.
[quote name='Richlough']It seems you're using two reasons but it's just the same one twice .
Most potential ? And good old disc space .[/QUOTE]
True, I guess that is just one point.
Nope, but, software and features are not exactly format exclusive.
I'm not exactly sure why you keep bringing this up. Besides, games are a bit different. Unlike previous movie formats, one console does NOT end up with all the games in the end. Each movie format war has ended with the winner killing the competition completely and gaining all the movies. Consoles, however, have not been like this. The xbox was definitely a high-end console, but it will never have some games that appeared on the PS2/GCN, so the situation is quite a bit different. For now, each format has exclusive movies, but, if this generation does not end in a two format gen (which, I believe, would be a first), all movies will end up going towards the winning format.
Totally agree. In fact, history has shown the exact opposite. But just because the average consumers support something, doesn't mean it is something I should support.
[quote name='dpatel']I'll be missing out on some great movies somewhere. Universal isn't the only one with 'great movies'.
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That was my answer , and reason to your question , not me on the mountaintop declaring that Universal is god's gift to movies .
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That was my answer , and reason to your question , not me on the mountaintop declaring that Universal is god's gift to movies .
[quote name='Richlough']That was my answer , and reason to your question , not me on the mountaintop declaring that Universal is god's gift to movies .[/QUOTE]
Seems to be the case for most people support HD-DVD. I'll admit it does seem to have more going for it now, but, in the end, those benefits won't really matter to me.
By the way, I'm still not sure what the xbox had to do with anything.
Seems to be the case for most people support HD-DVD. I'll admit it does seem to have more going for it now, but, in the end, those benefits won't really matter to me.
By the way, I'm still not sure what the xbox had to do with anything.
The Xbox arguement is the rebuttal to the PS3 being the most powerful , therefore why wouldn't everyone want it , logic .
If Sony wasn't so arrogant to create their own formats I wouldn't be so put off to continue to buy their products .
I bought a PS1 on launch day, a PS2 on launch day, a PSP [a nice way to preview PS2 titles with broken controls] on launch day .
I'm sick of we can add that functionality , we are capable of doing this cool thing that is never going to happen .
That's why my mind is made up .
And I'll never understand why PS1 Final Fantasy fanboys want to bitch about multiple disc games now .
Disc space is a convience , not a necessity .
If Sony wasn't so arrogant to create their own formats I wouldn't be so put off to continue to buy their products .
I bought a PS1 on launch day, a PS2 on launch day, a PSP [a nice way to preview PS2 titles with broken controls] on launch day .
I'm sick of we can add that functionality , we are capable of doing this cool thing that is never going to happen .
That's why my mind is made up .
And I'll never understand why PS1 Final Fantasy fanboys want to bitch about multiple disc games now .
Disc space is a convience , not a necessity .
[quote name='Richlough']The Xbox arguement is the rebuttal to the PS3 being the most powerful , therefore why wouldn't everyone want it , logic .[/QUOTE]
Well that really has nothing to do with anything that was said by me (or anyone else in this topic, I believe). Like I said before, game systems are entirely different. One console will not end up with all games but one movie format probably will (although, as time goes on, it looks like this may be the first gen where this won't be the case).
Agree, but I think we can oversimply many things as a 'convenience and not a necessity'. But again, I don't think that had anything to do with my post, which is why I wondered why it was brought up in response to mine.
Well that really has nothing to do with anything that was said by me (or anyone else in this topic, I believe). Like I said before, game systems are entirely different. One console will not end up with all games but one movie format probably will (although, as time goes on, it looks like this may be the first gen where this won't be the case).
Agree, but I think we can oversimply many things as a 'convenience and not a necessity'. But again, I don't think that had anything to do with my post, which is why I wondered why it was brought up in response to mine.
[quote name='dpatel']Agree, but I think we can oversimply many things as a 'convenience and not a necessity'. But again, I don't think that had anything to do with my post, which is why I wondered why it was brought up in response to mine.[/QUOTE]
I was just my next new post , after my response .
That's why there's 2 blank lines in between them .
I was just my next new post , after my response .
That's why there's 2 blank lines in between them .
Interesting guys. i bounced and was going to stay far away.. then that $99 player dropped I bought it... but its literally been in my truck until tonight and now its inside and will stay sealed for a few weeks longer as i make my mind up.
I have a bad taste in my mouth from Sony for many many reasons. Arrogance really gets on my nerves as well. I hope Nintendo doesn't get that way again. I think its good for a company to get slapped a few times to keep it in check.
either way I have not really messed with either format so for me it was price and some of the movie selection.
I am still waiting as long as I can before making a decision. I have close (probably over now) 200 DVDs which is not that large by some standards but I wish i had the money back for them now as they mostly sit and take up space.
I wont do that again this time around.
And I didn't know Myke was a 360 owner. I know I bump into his posts a lot (theres a certain charm to them). Glad to hear hes not a Sony is best poster.
I have a bad taste in my mouth from Sony for many many reasons. Arrogance really gets on my nerves as well. I hope Nintendo doesn't get that way again. I think its good for a company to get slapped a few times to keep it in check.
either way I have not really messed with either format so for me it was price and some of the movie selection.
I am still waiting as long as I can before making a decision. I have close (probably over now) 200 DVDs which is not that large by some standards but I wish i had the money back for them now as they mostly sit and take up space.
I wont do that again this time around.
And I didn't know Myke was a 360 owner. I know I bump into his posts a lot (theres a certain charm to them). Glad to hear hes not a Sony is best poster.
[quote name='dpatel']Personally, it just seems like BD has the most potential in the long run, and does have the advantage when it comes to disc space. Everything else: studio support, price, number of movies, etc don't really matter as much to me, as the winning format will acquire all of those either way. Disc size, however, will be exclusive to either format, which is why I base my decision on that.
What is it about HD-DVD that makes it the 'one to own', for some of you guys?[/QUOTE]
I went HD-dvd because of price, and I'll say it right now, ever since Sony killed Liki-sang I don't like them.
But if Blue ray standalones were $100-150 I would buy one.
But I don't hate the PS3, I'm waiting for one that is $350, plays PS2 games and has rumble. And I am willing to wait. I have the other 2 consoles to keep me busy while I wait. And while I do, the PS3 games will just get cheaper.
What is it about HD-DVD that makes it the 'one to own', for some of you guys?[/QUOTE]
I went HD-dvd because of price, and I'll say it right now, ever since Sony killed Liki-sang I don't like them.
But if Blue ray standalones were $100-150 I would buy one.
But I don't hate the PS3, I'm waiting for one that is $350, plays PS2 games and has rumble. And I am willing to wait. I have the other 2 consoles to keep me busy while I wait. And while I do, the PS3 games will just get cheaper.
Hate of Sony also seems to be a common reason for not backing blu-ray (at least on gaming message boards). I agree Sony's arrogance is down right annoying, but I don't really single them out. I don't really feel there are many 'good' companies. Some might be relatively better than others (which usually depends on the time and state of the company). I guess if someone want to choose the 'lesser of two evils' then so be it, but I usually pick based mainly on the product, as my view of most companies isn't that favorable (I guess I'm just really cynical).
[quote name='Snake2715']I am still waiting as long as I can before making a decision. I have close (probably over now) 200 DVDs which is not that large by some standards but I wish i had the money back for them now as they mostly sit and take up space.[/QUOTE]
You have a DVD upscaler yet? For most of my movies, that was enough. Guess it depends on how much of an audio/video nut you are though.
[quote name='Snake2715']I am still waiting as long as I can before making a decision. I have close (probably over now) 200 DVDs which is not that large by some standards but I wish i had the money back for them now as they mostly sit and take up space.[/QUOTE]
You have a DVD upscaler yet? For most of my movies, that was enough. Guess it depends on how much of an audio/video nut you are though.
[quote name='dpatel']Hate of Sony also seems to be a common reason for not backing blu-ray (at least on gaming message boards). I agree Sony's arrogance is down right annoying, but I don't really single them out. I don't really feel there are many 'good' companies. Some might be relatively better than others (which usually depends on the time and state of the company). I guess if someone want to choose the 'lesser of two evils' then so be it, but I usually pick based mainly on the product, as my view of most companies isn't that favorable (I guess I'm just really cynical).[/quote]
I concur with not too many good companies, and you could argue this the same way you could argue about different banks. They all have their pros/cons and share of PO'd customers and former clients who swear off their stuff for life.
I concur with not too many good companies, and you could argue this the same way you could argue about different banks. They all have their pros/cons and share of PO'd customers and former clients who swear off their stuff for life.
[quote name='Inf^Shini']I concur with not too many good companies, and you could argue this the same way you could argue about different banks. They all have their pros/cons and share of PO'd customers and former clients who swear off their stuff for life.[/QUOTE]
If I only bought stuff from 'good' companies, and avoided the 'bad', I wouldn't have much of anything. Of course, if there was some personal experience I had with a company, then I may avoid them. But not because of 'bad' (read: common) PR and business practices.
If I only bought stuff from 'good' companies, and avoided the 'bad', I wouldn't have much of anything. Of course, if there was some personal experience I had with a company, then I may avoid them. But not because of 'bad' (read: common) PR and business practices.
[quote name='dpatel']If I only bought stuff from 'good' companies, and avoided the 'bad', I wouldn't have much of anything. Of course, if there was some personal experience I had with a company, then I may avoid them. But not because of 'bad' (read: common) PR and business practices.[/quote]
Yea, there are some things you just have to live with :/
No company is perfect, no human is perfect, but there is a line between mistakes and malpractice/malfeasance.
Yea, there are some things you just have to live with :/
No company is perfect, no human is perfect, but there is a line between mistakes and malpractice/malfeasance.
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[quote name='Richlough']Universal studios [great movies now] .[/quote]
Fair enough.
Fookin' menus!?!?!?! Well, whatever blows yer skirt up, I guess.
Indeed. I still rock the original Xbox, since 2/3 of my Xbox games don't work on my 360.
So the reasons are...Universal support and menus? The remainder of the "why I'm HD DVD" posts were relegated to either (1) cheap players or (2) I hate Sony.
Universal support and cheap player prices I can understand. That makes sense. Laugh if you will, but I consider the PS3 to be a cheap BR player in terms of price. Were it DVD-based, it would surely have launched for $400 or more, and perhaps sold hundreds of thousands more units. As it stands, for $200 more, it included an upgradeable BR player, allowed for BR capacity on the system, and still will offer excellent games. For $200 more than I would have spent on a PS3 inevitably, no? I'm not trying to rationalize it for *you*, mind you...but for *me*. But this doesn't deny that a $98 A2 is a great deal.
"I hate Sony" is just pithy and silly. Kaz Hirai may have impregnated your 14-year old daughter. If so, I can understand. But corporate arrogance? Corporate arrogance is a $600 launch system. Corporate arrogance is also a console with a damn-near 100% failure rate. Corporate arrogance is DLC rights use so complex that, when your system inevitably dies, you have to spend hours upon hours for the mere attempt at successfully using your DLC on the new system you get in return (depending on how long it lives, that is). Corporate arrogance is Wii Fit and third-party standards to lax that, were Nintendo a porn star, they'd be exclusively featured in 100-man gangbangs. All groups are guilty of corporate arrogance. Singling out one company for possessing more of it than another is absurd, in my view. If you like a system more than another, as the majority of us do (and I consider those who like them all equally glad-handling nancyboy fencesitters who are merely incapable of having an opinion)...then have a better reason than "boy, aren't Sony arrogant!!!"
Say, "I like XBL's seamlessness, their DLC offerings, their GAMES..." whatever. Say you like the innovation of the Wii, the VC offerings and potential, or having games that are more inclined to spending time playing with people compared to your average sit-on-the-couch-with-your-slackjawed-friennds-playing-bigtimeFPS sessions. Say you like the potential BR disc capacity offers for games, or looking forward to Sony franchises like R&C, God of War, or whatever else - or (god save your soul) the pitiful but cheap PSX downloads on the PSN.
But to say "I hate company X" is damned silly. There's no two ways about it, IMO. I don't hate MS because the 360 has a self-destruct mechanism in it. They've handled it the best they can. It's a righteous pain in my ass. But if I really got fed up with it, I'd just sell the bloody thing, no? Besides, if I want to play the "MS is evil" card, I'd be more prone to arming myself with Mac-geek talk than PS3/Wii nonsense.
...and people think *I'm* emotionally invested in one company!?!?!
This isn't directed at you, but the more general "Sony is arrogant" (and what the omission of MS/Nintendo implies) nonsense..
Fair enough.
Fookin' menus!?!?!?! Well, whatever blows yer skirt up, I guess.
Indeed. I still rock the original Xbox, since 2/3 of my Xbox games don't work on my 360.
So the reasons are...Universal support and menus? The remainder of the "why I'm HD DVD" posts were relegated to either (1) cheap players or (2) I hate Sony.
Universal support and cheap player prices I can understand. That makes sense. Laugh if you will, but I consider the PS3 to be a cheap BR player in terms of price. Were it DVD-based, it would surely have launched for $400 or more, and perhaps sold hundreds of thousands more units. As it stands, for $200 more, it included an upgradeable BR player, allowed for BR capacity on the system, and still will offer excellent games. For $200 more than I would have spent on a PS3 inevitably, no? I'm not trying to rationalize it for *you*, mind you...but for *me*. But this doesn't deny that a $98 A2 is a great deal.
"I hate Sony" is just pithy and silly. Kaz Hirai may have impregnated your 14-year old daughter. If so, I can understand. But corporate arrogance? Corporate arrogance is a $600 launch system. Corporate arrogance is also a console with a damn-near 100% failure rate. Corporate arrogance is DLC rights use so complex that, when your system inevitably dies, you have to spend hours upon hours for the mere attempt at successfully using your DLC on the new system you get in return (depending on how long it lives, that is). Corporate arrogance is Wii Fit and third-party standards to lax that, were Nintendo a porn star, they'd be exclusively featured in 100-man gangbangs. All groups are guilty of corporate arrogance. Singling out one company for possessing more of it than another is absurd, in my view. If you like a system more than another, as the majority of us do (and I consider those who like them all equally glad-handling nancyboy fencesitters who are merely incapable of having an opinion
)...then have a better reason than "boy, aren't Sony arrogant!!!"Say, "I like XBL's seamlessness, their DLC offerings, their GAMES..." whatever. Say you like the innovation of the Wii, the VC offerings and potential, or having games that are more inclined to spending time playing with people compared to your average sit-on-the-couch-with-your-slackjawed-friennds-playing-bigtimeFPS sessions. Say you like the potential BR disc capacity offers for games, or looking forward to Sony franchises like R&C, God of War, or whatever else - or (god save your soul) the pitiful but cheap PSX downloads on the PSN.
But to say "I hate company X" is damned silly. There's no two ways about it, IMO. I don't hate MS because the 360 has a self-destruct mechanism in it. They've handled it the best they can. It's a righteous pain in my ass. But if I really got fed up with it, I'd just sell the bloody thing, no? Besides, if I want to play the "MS is evil" card, I'd be more prone to arming myself with Mac-geek talk than PS3/Wii nonsense.
...and people think *I'm* emotionally invested in one company!?!?!
This isn't directed at you, but the more general "Sony is arrogant" (and what the omission of MS/Nintendo implies) nonsense..
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Indeed that is true. It is also your choice to make, no?
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[quote name='zewone']Ah, don't tell me that you are one that subscribes to the idea that different SKUs act as a choice.
But, no it's not a choice.
If I felt like paying $500, I could have limited BC, but I refuse to ever pay more than $400 for a console.[/QUOTE]
So...where exactly is the lack of choice located there?
In other news: http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6498744.html?desc=topstory
It remains to be seen, of course, if these numbers are calculated in the same way that Paramount calculates their number (y'know, in that world where 1 = 1 * 1.65).
But, no it's not a choice.
If I felt like paying $500, I could have limited BC, but I refuse to ever pay more than $400 for a console.[/QUOTE]
So...where exactly is the lack of choice located there?
In other news: http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6498744.html?desc=topstory
It remains to be seen, of course, if these numbers are calculated in the same way that Paramount calculates their number (y'know, in that world where 1 = 1 * 1.65).
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[quote name='zewone']Because there should not be more than one SKU for any console.[/QUOTE]
Well, there shouldn't be any poverty in the world either, but this ain't Miss America, and you ain't talkin' about world peace. There are multiple SKU consoles in this world, and if you can't convince me that you had no choice in the matter.
Besides, there are many folks who don't want to pay $500, like you, but they also insist upon BC - so they're waiting for the right combination to hit before they jump onboard. Are they not making a choice either?
Well, there shouldn't be any poverty in the world either, but this ain't Miss America, and you ain't talkin' about world peace. There are multiple SKU consoles in this world, and if you can't convince me that you had no choice in the matter.
Besides, there are many folks who don't want to pay $500, like you, but they also insist upon BC - so they're waiting for the right combination to hit before they jump onboard. Are they not making a choice either?
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The only way now, of course. That's why they're choosing to wait it out.
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So the reasons are...Universal support and menus? The remainder of the "why I'm HD DVD" posts were relegated to either (1) cheap players or (2) I hate Sony.[/quote]
(1) Price is a major thing to consumers...look at what site this discussion is occuring and I wouldn't call them "cheap" they are affordable, and you easily get your money's worth and then some.
(2) No one said "I hate Sony", arrogance was mentioned more than once, one person said that they don't like them...hate was never mentioned.
(3) You failed to acknowledge my post...Sony's format history...Betamax, Minidisc, UMD (movies)...and if all goes as I hope...Blu-Ray
I just couldn't see Disney, and Fox supporting Blu-Ray have they not gotten in on an incentive deal early on, it just doesn't make sense...specifically with Sony's failed format history (3).
So the reasons are...Universal support and menus? The remainder of the "why I'm HD DVD" posts were relegated to either (1) cheap players or (2) I hate Sony.[/quote]
(1) Price is a major thing to consumers...look at what site this discussion is occuring
and I wouldn't call them "cheap" they are affordable, and you easily get your money's worth and then some.(2) No one said "I hate Sony", arrogance was mentioned more than once, one person said that they don't like them...hate was never mentioned.
(3) You failed to acknowledge my post...Sony's format history...Betamax, Minidisc, UMD (movies)...and if all goes as I hope...Blu-Ray
I just couldn't see Disney, and Fox supporting Blu-Ray have they not gotten in on an incentive deal early on, it just doesn't make sense...specifically with Sony's failed format history (3).
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